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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 17 2014 14:29 GMT
#1021
On December 17 2014 23:22 Lorning wrote:
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On December 17 2014 23:21 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 Lorning wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
[quote]

There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus

watch out for Gumigod

No chances of entering the Terran top5 before months. Plus his strong TvZ won't be of much use in the first season

Would you say MKP is top 5? I think you would

Not even top10 as far as I'm concerned, but since he's qualified in both leagues he has the opportunity to make a triumphant ascent!

Not even after his hot6 cup run?

My problem with his run was that, even if he played well and more solid than he used too, his opponents derped so much on their own that he appeared better than what he probably is. Besides, there was only one match-up. But I keep my eyes on him, and I'm curious to see his match vs FanTaSy
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 17 2014 14:32 GMT
#1022
On December 17 2014 23:25 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents

do you call Swagger Killer though?

All the MVP ID changes confused me way too much for that. Wasn't he Sangho at some point too?
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 14:36:55
December 17 2014 14:32 GMT
#1023
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

Okay, but using that logic, we can safely say that Zest, sOs, soO all suck now because they failed to qualify in both GSL and SSL, even though we all know they are completely capable players. soO has never won a tournament (EDIT: this is a lie, he actually won the 2011 MLG vs PL Invitational but who gives a shit about that!!), but he's placed so consistently in the past that we recognize(d) him as a top-tier player. When your sample size is one match, there aren't enough "results" to make a significant statement about anything. Taeja got through the qualifiers for both GSL and SSL. They were not preparation-based. He lost in Ro32. That does not mean that Taeja cannot do well in preparation-based tournaments.

The original post was about Taeja being able to do well in Korea. Taeja did great in Korea. He reached the Ro8 twice and Ro4 twice. This completely contradicts what you are trying to say. I don't understand why you think that he's "always done poorly in Korea" when that's simply not the case.

I think this discussion is (and should be) over now. Do note, I like Terran players, but Taeja is not some absolute favorite of mine. I don't mind when he wins, and I don't mind when he loses. But I do mind when people make false statements and silly assumptions.
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
December 17 2014 14:35 GMT
#1024
On December 17 2014 23:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On December 17 2014 23:23 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

You must hate on a lot of players if your only standard is "He never won a GSL." He made it to the ro8 and semis multiple times, which is more than 90% of Koreans. Then he won a boatload of events around the world which is more than any player of any nationality can say. He's a top 3 terran and top 5 player of all time. Losing this bo5 doesn't change that

No, cause most of these players aren't considered the savior of race X.
Taeja kinda is though, which makes me not liking him for a very weird reason (that part might be irrational, i would agree )
I don't think anything i said is wrong though


One thing I would like to say is that in both of his games in the Global finals were preparation based where he won both and the match where he only had a night to prepare he lost.
Go TAEJA
Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
December 17 2014 14:36 GMT
#1025
On December 17 2014 23:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs

Qualifier are more like weekend tournaments
I mean i am not saying that Taeja is bad, but i would sigbet (if i could, haha) that Taeja won't win a single korean tournament next year (probably even that he won't get to a semi final)


Precisely. I think anyone who saw the 5 games between Taeja and terminator could see that Taeja was the far superior player in the first 2 games, and in the last 3, I would still say Taeja was the better player. The difference was that Terminator came prepared with builds to throw Taeja off. It was specifically prepared to beat him. Terminator knew in advance how he is going to advance through the game. For example game 5, Taeja was playing, reacting off the fly, on what he sees, which leads to him over making Vikings and not enough ground. It was a build that was rare and Taeja reacted superbly(until the engagement, where he really should have one shot the collosus first instead of a-move the Vikings). Whereas you see for terminator, no gateway early on, at the right moment, about 8 more gateway, 2 rounds of warpin, Taeja still producing Viking. The build beat Taeja, not the player. Whereas if you look at Classic vs Cure game 5, Classic was all round the better player, gaining incremental advantages, pulling Cure apart.

Maybe Taeja do not have the same kind of support as the Kespa team where the team gets behind the player as they help to prepare and dissect the opponent. Taeja is a monster at weekend tournaments which is like the qualifiers.

Personally I think qualifiers and weekend tournaments are tougher, you do not know who is next, you do the meta builds, and take on all comers. It's like playing on ladder. But in Korea, with the GSL, SSL and Proleague, you get better games. Games that are really at the cutting edge, players play better because they are practicing for this one game on this one map(Proleague) against this one player for a whole week. This kind of tournaments doesn't suit Taeja as much. But it doesn't take anything away from him as an awesome player. The stats do not lie.
Our enemies are a legion and STILL you procrastinate
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
December 17 2014 14:43 GMT
#1026
On December 17 2014 23:32 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:25 Ej_ wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents

do you call Swagger Killer though?

All the MVP ID changes confused me way too much for that. Wasn't he Sangho at some point too?

SangHo was his BW handle.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
December 17 2014 14:45 GMT
#1027
Taeja's 2 quarters and semis were before the Kespa Invasion. The effect of having a strong powerful team behind you to prepare cannot be understated.
Our enemies are a legion and STILL you procrastinate
Andykira
Profile Joined September 2013
Australia5 Posts
December 17 2014 14:46 GMT
#1028
On December 17 2014 23:36 Samx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:05 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs

Qualifier are more like weekend tournaments
I mean i am not saying that Taeja is bad, but i would sigbet (if i could, haha) that Taeja won't win a single korean tournament next year (probably even that he won't get to a semi final)


Precisely. I think anyone who saw the 5 games between Taeja and terminator could see that Taeja was the far superior player in the first 2 games, and in the last 3, I would still say Taeja was the better player. The difference was that Terminator came prepared with builds to throw Taeja off. It was specifically prepared to beat him. Terminator knew in advance how he is going to advance through the game. For example game 5, Taeja was playing, reacting off the fly, on what he sees, which leads to him over making Vikings and not enough ground. It was a build that was rare and Taeja reacted superbly(until the engagement, where he really should have one shot the collosus first instead of a-move the Vikings). Whereas you see for terminator, no gateway early on, at the right moment, about 8 more gateway, 2 rounds of warpin, Taeja still producing Viking. The build beat Taeja, not the player. Whereas if you look at Classic vs Cure game 5, Classic was all round the better player, gaining incremental advantages, pulling Cure apart.

Maybe Taeja do not have the same kind of support as the Kespa team where the team gets behind the player as they help to prepare and dissect the opponent. Taeja is a monster at weekend tournaments which is like the qualifiers.

Personally I think qualifiers and weekend tournaments are tougher, you do not know who is next, you do the meta builds, and take on all comers. It's like playing on ladder. But in Korea, with the GSL, SSL and Proleague, you get better games. Games that are really at the cutting edge, players play better because they are practicing for this one game on this one map(Proleague) against this one player for a whole week. This kind of tournaments doesn't suit Taeja as much. But it doesn't take anything away from him as an awesome player. The stats do not lie.


Completely agreed with what you said there. The series doesn't make me feel Terminator is a better player at all. Guess you need a coach to perform well in korean league... TaeJa need CHOYA! Or at least someone who can observe the match and give him advice in between.
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
December 17 2014 14:47 GMT
#1029
On December 17 2014 23:45 Samx wrote:
Taeja's 2 quarters and semis were before the Kespa Invasion. The effect of having a strong powerful team behind you to prepare cannot be understated.


No they weren't. Neither of Taeja's semi's were before the Kespa switch.
Go TAEJA
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2014 14:50 GMT
#1030
On December 17 2014 23:32 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

Okay, but using that logic, we can safely say that Zest, sOs, soO all suck now because they failed to qualify in both GSL and SSL, even though we all know they are completely capable players. soO has never won a tournament (EDIT: this is a lie, he actually won the 2011 MLG vs PL Invitational but who gives a shit about that!!), but he's placed so consistently in the past that we recognize(d) him as a top-tier player. When your sample size is one match, there aren't enough "results" to make a significant statement about anything. Taeja got through the qualifiers for both GSL and SSL. They were not preparation-based. He lost in Ro32. That does not mean that Taeja cannot do well in preparation-based tournaments.

The original post was about Taeja being able to do well in Korea. Taeja did great in Korea. He reached the Ro8 twice and Ro4 twice. This completely contradicts what you are trying to say. I don't understand why you think that he's "always done poorly in Korea" when that's simply not the case.

I think this discussion is (and should be) over now. Do note, I like Terran players, but Taeja is not some absolute favorite of mine. I don't mind when he wins, and I don't mind when he loses. But I do mind when people make false statements and silly assumptions.

No, cause i never said that Taeja sucks EVER (i think). But i do think that taeja is probably one of the most overhyped (don't tell me this means he sucks, it doesn't) players in the sc2 scene despite the lack of results in preparation based tournaments.
You mention his resutls back in gsl (2 years ago), sure these results are pretty good, no question, but as i stated mutliple times now, a player who is considered THE BEST should do even better than that imo.
But i guess in the end it won't matter, Taeja will be remembered as a top5 player of all time (cause of his numerous rather "easy" wins), i just won't agree with that.
Feel free to disagree though, haha
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12389 Posts
December 17 2014 14:53 GMT
#1031
Is that really a double reverse sweep? Omg^^
No will to live, no wish to die
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
December 17 2014 14:58 GMT
#1032
I'm glad Terminator won this!
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 17 2014 14:59 GMT
#1033
Yay Classic wtf Taeja
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 15:01:31
December 17 2014 15:00 GMT
#1034

So there will be a next time, unless he's talking about GSL
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
December 17 2014 15:00 GMT
#1035
Rogue YESSSS! Cure NOOOOOOO! Terminator YESSSSSSSSSS!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
December 17 2014 15:03 GMT
#1036
On December 18 2014 00:00 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
https://twitter.com/LiquidTaeJa/status/545222295866720257
So there will be a next time, unless he's talking about GSL


He always type something like this after he loses, so nothing confirmed.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 17 2014 15:03 GMT
#1037
On December 17 2014 23:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On December 17 2014 23:32 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

Okay, but using that logic, we can safely say that Zest, sOs, soO all suck now because they failed to qualify in both GSL and SSL, even though we all know they are completely capable players. soO has never won a tournament (EDIT: this is a lie, he actually won the 2011 MLG vs PL Invitational but who gives a shit about that!!), but he's placed so consistently in the past that we recognize(d) him as a top-tier player. When your sample size is one match, there aren't enough "results" to make a significant statement about anything. Taeja got through the qualifiers for both GSL and SSL. They were not preparation-based. He lost in Ro32. That does not mean that Taeja cannot do well in preparation-based tournaments.

The original post was about Taeja being able to do well in Korea. Taeja did great in Korea. He reached the Ro8 twice and Ro4 twice. This completely contradicts what you are trying to say. I don't understand why you think that he's "always done poorly in Korea" when that's simply not the case.

I think this discussion is (and should be) over now. Do note, I like Terran players, but Taeja is not some absolute favorite of mine. I don't mind when he wins, and I don't mind when he loses. But I do mind when people make false statements and silly assumptions.

No, cause i never said that Taeja sucks EVER (i think). But i do think that taeja is probably one of the most overhyped (don't tell me this means he sucks, it doesn't) players in the sc2 scene despite the lack of results in preparation based tournaments.
You mention his resutls back in gsl (2 years ago), sure these results are pretty good, no question, but as i stated mutliple times now, a player who is considered THE BEST should do even better than that imo.
But i guess in the end it won't matter, Taeja will be remembered as a top5 player of all time (cause of his numerous rather "easy" wins), i just won't agree with that.
Feel free to disagree though, haha

His victories over soO and INnoVation at WCS World were Bo5 preparation matches though. Ironically, he lost the match he didn't have the time to prepare.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 17 2014 15:06 GMT
#1038
On December 18 2014 00:03 Starecat wrote:
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On December 18 2014 00:00 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
https://twitter.com/LiquidTaeJa/status/545222295866720257
So there will be a next time, unless he's talking about GSL


He always type something like this after he loses, so nothing confirmed.

Actually in the past his post-loss tweets would indicate that there WOULDN'T be a next time, so I think this is a marked improvement ^^
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Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
December 17 2014 15:06 GMT
#1039
On December 17 2014 23:47 ANLProbe wrote:
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On December 17 2014 23:45 Samx wrote:
Taeja's 2 quarters and semis were before the Kespa Invasion. The effect of having a strong powerful team behind you to prepare cannot be understated.


No they weren't. Neither of Taeja's semi's were before the Kespa switch.


Taeja first semi was GSL season 4 2012. Kespa had 2 players invited. Jaedong and someone else. The next season, was when Kespa start playing GSL proper, only few players made it.

Then GSL season 1 2013. Taeja made semis again. 4 Kespa players were Roro, Bogus, Soulkey and TY. Roro beat Taeja 4-1 in the semis and go on to win the tournament. Taeja left for America. But it was BL-infestors days in WOL. So probably didn't mean much as legit results.
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
December 17 2014 15:07 GMT
#1040
Huh... Maybe it was a good thing that the new season of Liquibets was delayed -__-;;
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