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On November 28 2014 20:49 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 20:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Widow mine buff killed zealot archon. Yeah for sure. I'm not that sad about it, it's such an amove composition. But would be nice to see a protoss composition that aren't as reliant on the mass aoe. Feel it all comes down to forcefields being in the game so basic gateway units can't fight straight up vs basic terran units.
Also bad for templar opening which is more APM intensive than colossus play :/
Edit> Jeez, these positions.
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On November 28 2014 20:49 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 20:44 DJHelium wrote:On November 28 2014 20:40 KingAlphard wrote:
Definitely shields > armor for blink stalkers but idk about shields > weapons
EDIT: No I don't think it changes the regeneration speed. Shields aren't that much better than armor though. Keep in mind that it's only when the stalkers have taken enough damage that at least would've damaged the health without the +shields, regen and then taken damage like that again that shields are more effective than armor. Which isn't very often. If you're adding zealots in the composition, armor gets a lot better already. It's not that simple. Stalkers have 80 hitpoints + 80 shields. Ignoring the fact that they already have +1 armor , which makes armor upgrades slightly better,statistically speaking (assuming units deal a low amount of damage compared to the total amount of shields, and the type of damage dealt to shields is the same dealt to hitpoints) the damage reduction is proportional to the damage taken. Stalkers have the same amount of hitpoints as shields, which means you'll never take more damage on armor (which is permanent) than on shield (can be regenerated), in particular well microed blink stalkers can absorbe much more damage on shields than on armor. That being said this works only for stalkers, most protoss units have more hitpoints than shields, and there's always the fact that they have +1 base armor, which means that adding a further +1 will make more difference.
The stalkers still have to take what would've been armor damage for the shield upgrade to be effective.
For example, say a stalker takes 50 damage without shield upgrade, and 45 damage with shield upgrade. Then the upgrade had no effect, since they still will heal up to full shields.
So it's only for the small window where they take >80 damage without upgrades where the shield upgrade has an effect. And it's only when it happens more than once where shield upgrades are better than armor upgrades.
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In other news, does Dreamhack have any plan on a new overlay for 2015 so we can see something in the production tab?
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On November 28 2014 20:52 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 20:49 KingAlphard wrote:On November 28 2014 20:44 DJHelium wrote:On November 28 2014 20:40 KingAlphard wrote:
Definitely shields > armor for blink stalkers but idk about shields > weapons
EDIT: No I don't think it changes the regeneration speed. Shields aren't that much better than armor though. Keep in mind that it's only when the stalkers have taken enough damage that at least would've damaged the health without the +shields, regen and then taken damage like that again that shields are more effective than armor. Which isn't very often. If you're adding zealots in the composition, armor gets a lot better already. It's not that simple. Stalkers have 80 hitpoints + 80 shields. Ignoring the fact that they already have +1 armor , which makes armor upgrades slightly better,statistically speaking (assuming units deal a low amount of damage compared to the total amount of shields, and the type of damage dealt to shields is the same dealt to hitpoints) the damage reduction is proportional to the damage taken. Stalkers have the same amount of hitpoints as shields, which means you'll never take more damage on armor (which is permanent) than on shield (can be regenerated), in particular well microed blink stalkers can absorbe much more damage on shields than on armor. That being said this works only for stalkers, most protoss units have more hitpoints than shields, and there's always the fact that they have +1 base armor, which means that adding a further +1 will make more difference. The stalkers still have to take what would've been armor damage for the shield upgrade to be effective. For example, say a stalker takes 50 damage without shield upgrade, and 45 damage with shield upgrade. Then the upgrade had no effect, since they still will heal up to full shields. So it's only for the small window where they take >80 damage without upgrades where the shield upgrade has an effect. And it's only when it happens more than once where shield upgrades are better than armor upgrades.
Ok , now I get your point. Still, usually as a protoss player you want to have the shields completely taken out before blinking a stalker back, so what you describe shouldn't happen that often.
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On November 28 2014 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
In other news, does Dreamhack have any plan on a new overlay for 2015 so we can see something in the production tab?
yeah they should adjust the resolution so it's easier to see. It's still kinda hard to read with fullscreen 1080p monitor.
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On November 28 2014 20:55 graNite wrote:
omg blink is so lame....
There is no blink tho
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On November 28 2014 20:56 Keeemy wrote:There is no blink tho
wait what? he just ran past the bunkers? and still has stalkers alive?
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On November 28 2014 20:55 graNite wrote:
omg blink is so lame....
What blink?
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When will Patience learn that this 3g stalks counter is bad /:
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Lorning
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On November 28 2014 20:56 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 20:56 Keeemy wrote:On November 28 2014 20:55 graNite wrote:
omg blink is so lame.... There is no blink tho wait what? he just ran past the bunkers? and still has stalkers alive?
Yep.
Patience got smacked so hard.
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No 3rd place again for Patience D:
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Hello DJHelium, I have come to claim blood
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On November 28 2014 20:57 TheDwf wrote:
Hello DJHelium, I have come to claim blood
Humbug, jjakji 3-1 MC
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On November 28 2014 20:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
No 3rd place again for Patience D:
On this map pool is BO5 pretty hard though. It is drop friendly and, well, MMA is really good Terran who loves his drops. No big surprise here 
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Its like a link all in, but without blink... really? XD
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Dat Apollo diss at Artosis.
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EPT
