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MKP is going up vs Bbyong? Hope they show that 
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i swear to god if MC could get his pvz back to how it was a few months ago he'd be back in the top 16 player if he shored his pvp up he'd be top10 maybe top 5. I think that lose to Taeja at HSC shook him up alot he's seemed to be getting even better at pvt recently (minus his weird games vs apoc) but way worse in pvz because of it. His pvz used to be so clinical  and he just seems lost in pvp. PvT is better then ever as far as i've seem but terran is the least played race at the highest level.....
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On August 16 2014 06:57 Glorfindel! wrote:MKP is going up vs Bbyong? Hope they show that
it was on basetradetv and ended a few minutes ago. + Show Spoiler +
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On August 16 2014 06:58 dark1882 wrote:i swear to god if MC could get his pvz back to how it was a few months ago he'd be back in the top 16 player if he shored his pvp up he'd be top10 maybe top 5. I think that lose to Taeja at HSC shook him up alot he's seemed to be getting even better at pvt recently (minus his weird games vs apoc) but way worse in pvz because of it. His pvz used to be so clinical and he just seems lost in pvp. PvT is better then ever as far as i've seem but terran is the least played race at the highest level.....
Well MC has never been a PvT master at the highest level, that is for sure. His PvP / PvZ is godlike from times to times though.
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On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked...
The point of WCS is to get players from all over the world. Not just have it be a clone of Code S, which is what would happen in your scenario.
As I said, get in contact with Kespa. All the WCS tournaments are open for everyone by design. Not Blizzard's fault noone from Kespa shows up.
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On August 16 2014 06:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:56 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:
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It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked they should be considered major tournaments. Yeah it's kinda sad that soO might not keep his place in the top 16 despite finishing 2nd twice. Exactly. soO not making it to Blizzcon would be an aberration of the system (he should make a good run this season too though if his play today is a good indicator of his form and get the points he needs).
GSL finalists should have direct seeds to the global finals. It's the hardest tournament in the world, way harder than WCS finals.
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On August 16 2014 06:58 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:57 Glorfindel! wrote:MKP is going up vs Bbyong? Hope they show that it was on basetradetv and ended a few minutes ago. + Show Spoiler +
Ohh Well that was expected. I watched a horror movie with my Girl friend. Have to hold her until sleep now until I can go up and watch some more SC2
#Sacrifices
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On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally.
I gotta agree. Blizzcon should be made up of almost all players in Korea. Like 14/16 should be GSL players. Too many players who completely don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 16 are in there, especially the gusy ranked up high. Hyun, MC and Stardust being the top 3 is a fucking joke
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On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally.
people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc.
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This thread was good, then it turned into a WCS system debate.
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On August 16 2014 07:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:
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It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. I gotta agree. Blizzcon should be made up of almost all players in Korea. Like 14/16 should be GSL players. Too many players who completely don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 16 are in there, especially the gusy ranked up high. Hyun, MC and Stardust being the top 3 is a fucking joke
Well MC and Hyun for sure aint bad players. Stardust is really good when he practises. Sure, they might not deserve the 1-3 slots at all but if they do not, surely no player outside of Korea does. With that mentality we might aswell just reserve the points for GSL / Pro League.
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On August 16 2014 07:00 TheDwf wrote:
This thread was good, then it turned into a WCS system debate.
Sorry mate, Im leaving again. Brb 20 minutes.
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On August 16 2014 06:59 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked... The point of WCS is to get players from all over the world. Not just have it be a clone of Code S, which is what would happen in your scenario. As I said, get in contact with Kespa. All the WCS tournaments are open for everyone by design. Not Blizzard's fault noone from Kespa shows up.
I naively thought the point of a ranking was to rank people, in this case according to their skill, not to promote national diversity. What I wish was isn't what Blizzard chose, fine, but it's hard to argue it doesn't select the best players in the world.
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On August 16 2014 07:01 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't.
But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. I gotta agree. Blizzcon should be made up of almost all players in Korea. Like 14/16 should be GSL players. Too many players who completely don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 16 are in there, especially the gusy ranked up high. Hyun, MC and Stardust being the top 3 is a fucking joke Well MC and Hyun for sure aint bad players. Stardust is really good when he practises. Sure, they might not deserve the 1-3 slots at all but if they do not, surely no player outside of Korea does. With that mentality we might aswell just reserve the points for GSL / Pro League.
I honestly think that's pretty close to what it should be.
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On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked...
It would simply turn Blizzcon into GSL number 4 which isn't really the goal of Blizzcon. Additionally your system does not appropriately reward victories in admittedly weaker tournaments. The only real solution would be to give players in Korea equivalent access to auxiliary tournaments. Since due to KeSPA and traveling costs and the likes such a solution isn't possible, the only other way to achieve that would be to increase the number of auxiliary tournaments in Korea. However there are no tournaments in Korea apart from GSL, and the upcoming KeSPA Cup, and no independent tournament organizers. Apart from organizing more tournaments in Korea, there really isn't an equitable way from Blizzard of solving the problem.
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On August 16 2014 07:00 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:
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It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc.
If you can make a plausible case for how MC is one of the best players in the world, as in top 15-ish, I'm more than willing to listen.
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On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:32 dark1882 wrote:
geez what is up with the sudden MC hate it was like this last redbull quali too, what's the point of even complaining that your sick of him? It's not like the bracket was made for you specifically, he's the most consistent(as in he never really fell off not that his skill didn't go up and down like a roller coaster) player throughout all of sc2 and he deserves our respect. It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally.
Someone who doesn't do anything else than stay in their home town to play one league and don't advance further than ro32 should be nowhere close to a guy who spends a lot of time and effort to travel to tournaments and do well in them. The WCS system is about who can do the latter better. Spending most of your time practising in a team house in korea and only have to prepare for a few specific matches with a long timespan between them will obviously make them play really good in those matches. This doesn't necessarily mean that they would stomp other tournaments if they actually took time off their practise to play in those tournaments to recieve the rewards (WCS points and money) for playing in them.
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On August 16 2014 07:03 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:00 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't.
But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc. If you can make a plausible case for how MC is one of the best players in the world, as in top 15-ish, I'm more than willing to listen.
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On August 16 2014 07:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I gotta agree. Blizzcon should be made up of almost all players in Korea. Like 14/16 should be GSL players. Too many players who completely don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 16 are in there, especially the gusy ranked up high. Hyun, MC and Stardust being the top 3 is a fucking joke
its their own fault, teams/kespa doesnt let them compete in other tournaments.
why reward players with a BIG tournament and BIG prize money, if they only play one tournament.
also kespa players not really win anything even if they get to some of the outside tournaments ..
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On August 16 2014 07:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 06:59 Thax wrote:On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:34 AWalker9 wrote:
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It's not about respect, it's not even hate. A lot of people are just bored of seeing the same players invited to tournaments. Is it a bad thing that people want to see other or less well known players playing? Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't. But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked... The point of WCS is to get players from all over the world. Not just have it be a clone of Code S, which is what would happen in your scenario. As I said, get in contact with Kespa. All the WCS tournaments are open for everyone by design. Not Blizzard's fault noone from Kespa shows up. I naively thought the point of a ranking was to rank people, in this case according to their skill, not to promote national diversity. What I wish was isn't what Blizzard chose, fine, but it's hard to argue it doesn't select the best players in the world.
Well you're right that you were wrong. It ranks people according to their results, not according to their skill.
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