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On August 16 2014 07:04 phil.ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I gotta agree. Blizzcon should be made up of almost all players in Korea. Like 14/16 should be GSL players. Too many players who completely don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 16 are in there, especially the gusy ranked up high. Hyun, MC and Stardust being the top 3 is a fucking joke its their own fault, teams/kespa doesnt let them compete in other tournaments. why reward players with a BIG tournament and BIG prize money, if they only play one tournament.
Because they are the best of the best and SHOULD get the big tournament and the big prize money.
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On August 16 2014 07:04 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:59 Thax wrote:On August 16 2014 06:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Not at all. I guess some people just have different opinions on this matter ; I personally love to see the best players doing their job. You deserve exposure. If Journey for instance had beaten MC, maybe he'd be on main stream, alas for him he didn't.
But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. I don't think this would be bad. Who is better according to you, Bunny (I've nothing against him guys, he's just close to 1500 pts in current rankings) or a player who was able to retain his GSL code S status three times in a row (who would have 300 pts in the current system) ? I genuinely think the later has done a much more amazing performance. ro32 code S players don't get any acknowledgement of their skill, code B/code A brackets are so stacked... The point of WCS is to get players from all over the world. Not just have it be a clone of Code S, which is what would happen in your scenario. As I said, get in contact with Kespa. All the WCS tournaments are open for everyone by design. Not Blizzard's fault noone from Kespa shows up. I naively thought the point of a ranking was to rank people, in this case according to their skill, not to promote national diversity. What I wish was isn't what Blizzard chose, fine, but it's hard to argue it doesn't select the best players in the world. Well you're right that you were wrong. It ranks people according to their results, not according to their skill.
Results should be balanced or a ranking based on them makes no sense. Won't comment any further on this topic, we should be talking about the games.
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On August 16 2014 07:03 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:03 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 07:00 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:39 Squat wrote:
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But MC is nowhere near the best, just one of the most popular. I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc. If you can make a plausible case for how MC is one of the best players in the world, as in top 15-ish, I'm more than willing to listen. i just did
It was extremely unpersuasive. When he enters a tournament with guys like Maru/SK/Zest, and goes deep, I'll take your point.
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I'd just like to point out that there's nothing stopping Kespa from making tournaments for the PL players to play and make money in
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no thats just not proven, of course they are good, but GSL is a special tournament, you can prepare for your opponents
if you dont attend most of the tournaments around the world you cannot prove that you are the best 
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On August 16 2014 07:07 Dodgin wrote:
I'd just like to point out that there's nothing stopping Kespa from making tournaments for the PL players to play and make money in
Kespa cup!
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On August 16 2014 07:09 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:07 Dodgin wrote:
I'd just like to point out that there's nothing stopping Kespa from making tournaments for the PL players to play and make money in Kespa cup!
Why not 3 Kespa cups?
They could call it KSL.
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Oh that was awesome by bbyong.
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Well cure's (shouldn't it be Cure ?) pressure was definitely lackluster and rather unimpressive.
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I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes??
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On August 16 2014 07:08 phil.ipp wrote:no thats just not proven, of course they are good, but GSL is a special tournament, you can prepare for your opponents if you dont attend most of the tournaments around the world you cannot prove that you are the best
So more tournaments = better players. Give me a fucking break. GSL is special, but it doesn't mean it isn't the highest level of starcraft in the world and deserves to be regarded and rewarded as such. You DO prove you are the best by doing well in GSL
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On August 16 2014 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes??
Neither do I. It makes absolutely no sense (wouldn't have minded it if he attempted some storm + colossi all-in, but macroing like that ? I don't understand SCII anymore).
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On August 16 2014 07:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes?? Neither do I. It makes absolutely no sense.
herO changing the meta 
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On August 16 2014 07:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes?? Neither do I. It makes absolutely no sense.
it seems like it's just been one of those days in general for this qualifier
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Games between teammates should just be forbidden in tournaments, haha.
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On August 16 2014 07:06 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:03 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 07:03 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 07:00 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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I disagree. He's definitely not tier 1 anymore, but he's not only an entertainer. He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc. If you can make a plausible case for how MC is one of the best players in the world, as in top 15-ish, I'm more than willing to listen. i just did It was extremely unpersuasive. When he enters a tournament with guys like Maru/SK/Zest, and goes deep, I'll take your point.
unfortunately such a tournament does not exist, so neither can i prove my point with such a tournament nor can you, therefore i decided to rely on numbers and facts about mc. not speculations on how he would do in a tournament like this.
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On August 16 2014 07:12 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes?? Neither do I. It makes absolutely no sense. it seems like it's just been one of those days in general for this qualifier
What do you mean ?
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On August 16 2014 07:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:12 Shellshock wrote:On August 16 2014 07:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
I don't understand at all herO's plan. Not even a single forge at at 15 minutes?? Neither do I. It makes absolutely no sense. it seems like it's just been one of those days in general for this qualifier What do you mean ?
lots of weird builds that dont always seem to make sense, although I guess quite a few had to do with marineking
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On August 16 2014 07:13 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 07:06 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 07:03 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 07:03 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 07:00 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 06:57 Squat wrote:On August 16 2014 06:53 Zheryn wrote:On August 16 2014 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 16 2014 06:46 [PkF] Wire wrote:On August 16 2014 06:44 Squat wrote:
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He's not one of the best as in he's not one of the 16 best players in the world, and as such I don't want to see him at blizzcon. He's also not a top 5 protoss, and as such I'd like to see others invited over him instead. He's good, but not good enough to warrant all the freebies he's getting. WCS points system works this way. I would like WCS KR to have a far heavier weigh (for instance, Bunny got more points in Gfinity than you'd get for a GSL ro8, which is outrageous, if you ask me the mere fact of entering code S should at least be worth 500 pts), but it's not MC's fault if the system is like that. Making entering code S worth 500 points is completely ridiculous. That would put someone with 3 Code S ro64 be at the 23rd rank of the current system. But people who live in korea are obviously better than everyone living somewhere else, of course they should get free points! Are you seriously arguing Korea isn't orders of magnitude harder than the other regions? Korea should have more spots and points because it's harder, and difficult achievements should be rewarded proportionally. people are funny aren't they? only because mc decided to go to europe and participate in WCS EU he is no more one of the best. meanwhile they forget that before he changed his wcs region he reached the ro8 of code s. having entered seven tournaments in 2014 besides WCS he earned three second place finishes and two top eight finishes. beating people in his way like TY, classic, bomber, hyun etc. If you can make a plausible case for how MC is one of the best players in the world, as in top 15-ish, I'm more than willing to listen. i just did It was extremely unpersuasive. When he enters a tournament with guys like Maru/SK/Zest, and goes deep, I'll take your point. unfortunately such a tournament does not exist, so neither can i prove my point with such a tournament nor can you, therefore i decided to rely on numbers and facts about mc. not speculations on how he would do in a tournament like this.
Apparently the GSL does not exist.
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