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On August 13 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote:0:00  Terminator spawns in the top right  Bbyong spawns in the top left 1:40 rax first for Bbyong gateway first for Terminator gas for Bbyong 2:00 gas for Terminator cybernetics core for Terminator reaper for Bbyong 3:00 reactor for Bbyong Nexus for Terminator CC on the low ground for Bbyong MSC for Terminator 2nd gas for Terminator 4:00 Factory for Bbyong stalker for Terminator scouting probe of Terminator killed by the reaper twilight council for Terminator 5:00 2nd stalker for Terminator reaper scout of Bbyong is killed without seeing anything reactored hellion production started for Bbyong Starport for Bbyong Blink research for Terminator
6:00
hellions in the natural of Terminator kill 6 probes
medivac for Bbyong
Robo for Terminator
7:00 44 vs 49
2 more rax for Bbyong
another gas for Bbyong
2 more gates for Terminator
4th gate for Terminator
hellions in the natural again
photon overcharge on the natural nexus
drop in the main is cleaned up
hellions in the main now
8:00 41 vs 45
18 probes have been killed
2 more rax for Bbyong
stim research started for Bbyong
bunker in the natural for Bbyong
forward pylon for Terminator
Terminator sending stalkers across the map
observer out for Terminator
9:00 54 vs 65
Terminator blinks into the main
widow mine is killed before burrowing
concussive shells tech lab is denied
Terminator taking the gas at his natural
ebay finishes and +1 attack started for Bbyong
10:00 66 vs 78
terminator blinks into the main again
Terminator blinking back out of the main against the bio units
combat shields for Bbyong
Robo bay for Terminator
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On August 13 2014 20:36 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
By the way I missed the last Bbyong - Stats game on Merry Go Round. How did it go in a nutshell ? SCV pull against 2 base Toss. Bbyong threw it.
On August 13 2014 20:37 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
By the way I missed the last Bbyong - Stats game on Merry Go Round. How did it go in a nutshell ? 2-bases SCV pull, Stats understood it, massed units on 2 bases and crushed the push.
Thanks guys. 2 base SCV pull against 2 basing toss barely makes any sense, quite disappointing.
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On August 13 2014 20:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:36 SC2Toastie wrote:On August 13 2014 20:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
By the way I missed the last Bbyong - Stats game on Merry Go Round. How did it go in a nutshell ? SCV pull against 2 base Toss. Bbyong threw it. Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 13 2014 20:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
By the way I missed the last Bbyong - Stats game on Merry Go Round. How did it go in a nutshell ? 2-bases SCV pull, Stats understood it, massed units on 2 bases and crushed the push. Thanks guys. 2 base SCV pull against 2 basing toss barely makes any sense, quite disappointing.
Especially because he still did it after scanning no third base....
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On August 13 2014 20:38 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:On August 13 2014 20:30 Shellshock wrote:0:00 Terminator spawns in the top right Bbyong spawns in the top left 1:40 rax first for Bbyong gateway first for Terminator gas for Bbyong 2:00 gas for Terminator cybernetics core for Terminator reaper for Bbyong 3:00 reactor for Bbyong Nexus for Terminator CC on the low ground for Bbyong MSC for Terminator 2nd gas for Terminator 4:00 Factory for Bbyong stalker for Terminator scouting probe of Terminator killed by the reaper twilight council for Terminator 5:00 2nd stalker for Terminator reaper scout of Bbyong is killed without seeing anything reactored hellion production started for Bbyong Starport for Bbyong Blink research for Terminator 6:00 hellions in the natural of Terminator kill 6 probes medivac for Bbyong Robo for Terminator 7:00 44 vs 49 2 more rax for Bbyong another gas for Bbyong 2 more gates for Terminator 4th gate for Terminator hellions in the natural again photon overcharge on the natural nexus drop in the main is cleaned up hellions in the main now 8:00 41 vs 45 18 probes have been killed 2 more rax for Bbyong stim research started for Bbyong bunker in the natural for Bbyong forward pylon for Terminator Terminator sending stalkers across the map observer out for Terminator 9:00 54 vs 65 Terminator blinks into the main widow mine is killed before burrowing concussive shells tech lab is denied Terminator taking the gas at his natural ebay finishes and +1 attack started for Bbyong 10:00 66 vs 78 terminator blinks into the main again Terminator blinking back out of the main against the bio units combat shields for Bbyong Robo bay for Terminator
11:00 78 vs 93
forge for Terminator
3rd CC for Bbyong
Bbyong chasing stalkers back across the map
colossus started for Terminator
+1 armor for Bbyong
12:00 89 vs 106
drop in the main of Terminator
photon overcharge on the main nexus
2nd bio force in the natural of Terminator
Terminator is able to repel the attacks but loses his twilight council
13:00 92 vs 118
Bbyong regroups his army and is pushing out again
observer of Terminator is killed off
Bbyong attacks into the natural
colossus is targeted down
2nd colossus spawns but Terminator has lost most of his army already
Terminator ggs!
Bbyong wins game 1!
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Poor Terminator.
Really just has no chance against any of these 3.
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Well, I think we can already wonder who will win the Soulkey - Bbyong match because Terminator really seems off today.
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I don't understand how terminator can play in a team house for like 8 hours a day and not know how to properly deal with the marine medivac pressure in the main with the hellions in the natural. It's a pretty standard terran agressive build, right? But terminator acted like he hadn't seen it before and lost so many probes at his natural.
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On August 13 2014 20:35 Arvendilin wrote:
Ohh okay, I thought it went through, still my point stands, around that time the Zergs stopped using the overly passive style vs Protoss (with SH), so Protoss has figured out how to beat it.
And the EU Protosses are at a lower level and that is the reason it works for EU Zergs.
My point didn't rely at all on the patch so it doesn't change anything.
(Although I always thought they did >.< I guess I was just underestimating the normal damage output of Tempests vs structures then xD)
Snute has won his last 2 series against Stork as well though. Ofc. winning 2 series is not a sample size, which says anything big, but it at least denies the thought of kespa-toss winning 100% against it.
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On August 13 2014 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Well, I think we can already wonder who will win the Soulkey - Bbyong match because Terminator really seems off today.
As opposed to other days, when he would put up a great fight vs Soulkey and Bbyong? 
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As opposed to the dreaded days when any Protoss would put up a great fight against anyone ^^
Edit : joking ofc, and as the post below points out, he beat good players to earn his spot and plays on Jin Air, so it's not like he's a pushover. But he definitely isn't showing great play today.
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On August 13 2014 20:41 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Well, I think we can already wonder who will win the Soulkey - Bbyong match because Terminator really seems off today. As opposed to other days, when he would put up a great fight vs Soulkey and Bbyong?
He made it here over Effort, Leenock and Suno. I am still not quite sure, how that happened, but he deserves a bit of respect for that.
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On August 13 2014 20:41 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:35 Arvendilin wrote:
Ohh okay, I thought it went through, still my point stands, around that time the Zergs stopped using the overly passive style vs Protoss (with SH), so Protoss has figured out how to beat it.
And the EU Protosses are at a lower level and that is the reason it works for EU Zergs.
My point didn't rely at all on the patch so it doesn't change anything.
(Although I always thought they did >.< I guess I was just underestimating the normal damage output of Tempests vs structures then xD) Snute has won his last 2 series against Stork as well though. Ofc. winning 2 series is not a sample size, which says anything big, but it at least denies the thought of kespa-toss winning 100% against it.
Scarlett beat Stork 2-0 at HSC and didn't need any SH for it.
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On August 13 2014 20:42 Shellshock wrote:0:00 Terminator spawns in the bottom right Bbyong spawns in the top left
1:40
rax first for Bbyong
gateway first for Terminator
gas for Bbyong
2:00
gas for Terminator
cybernetics core for Terminator
reaper for Bbyong
3:00
zealot for Terminator
low ground CC for Bbyong
reactor for Bbyong
MSC for Terminator
stalker for Terminator
nexus for Terminator
4:00
reaper scout is denied from the main
factory for Bbyong
2nd gas for Terminator
MSC kills the CC building scv
5:00
robo for Terminator
reaper in the main of Terminator is killed after scouting the robo
reactored hellion production started for Bbyong
starport for Bbyong
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On August 13 2014 20:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:41 Xoronius wrote:On August 13 2014 20:35 Arvendilin wrote:
Ohh okay, I thought it went through, still my point stands, around that time the Zergs stopped using the overly passive style vs Protoss (with SH), so Protoss has figured out how to beat it.
And the EU Protosses are at a lower level and that is the reason it works for EU Zergs.
My point didn't rely at all on the patch so it doesn't change anything.
(Although I always thought they did >.< I guess I was just underestimating the normal damage output of Tempests vs structures then xD) Snute has won his last 2 series against Stork as well though. Ofc. winning 2 series is not a sample size, which says anything big, but it at least denies the thought of kespa-toss winning 100% against it. Scarlett beat Stork 2-0 at HSC and didn't need any SH for it.
You are missing his point.
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On August 13 2014 20:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:41 Xoronius wrote:On August 13 2014 20:35 Arvendilin wrote:
Ohh okay, I thought it went through, still my point stands, around that time the Zergs stopped using the overly passive style vs Protoss (with SH), so Protoss has figured out how to beat it.
And the EU Protosses are at a lower level and that is the reason it works for EU Zergs.
My point didn't rely at all on the patch so it doesn't change anything.
(Although I always thought they did >.< I guess I was just underestimating the normal damage output of Tempests vs structures then xD) Snute has won his last 2 series against Stork as well though. Ofc. winning 2 series is not a sample size, which says anything big, but it at least denies the thought of kespa-toss winning 100% against it. Scarlett beat Stork 2-0 at HSC and didn't need any SH for it.
Scarlett beating Stork without SH doesn't have do anything with the viability of SH-style though, so I am not quite sure, what you want to say with that.
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On August 13 2014 20:41 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:35 Arvendilin wrote:
Ohh okay, I thought it went through, still my point stands, around that time the Zergs stopped using the overly passive style vs Protoss (with SH), so Protoss has figured out how to beat it.
And the EU Protosses are at a lower level and that is the reason it works for EU Zergs.
My point didn't rely at all on the patch so it doesn't change anything.
(Although I always thought they did >.< I guess I was just underestimating the normal damage output of Tempests vs structures then xD) Snute has won his last 2 series against Stork as well though. Ofc. winning 2 series is not a sample size, which says anything big, but it at least denies the thought of kespa-toss winning 100% against it.
Stork has been doing really poorly at foreign events in general tho, he also sadly (im a big Stork fan) isn't one of the top KeSPA Protosses in general now.
And as you said its not a good sample size.
Also I never said winning 100% against it, just that it wasn't viable anymore compared to the other choices, if you have a 40% win-rate with one strategy and a 60% winrate with another one its clear which one you will pick.
And seeing that they used passive SH b4 and then stopped I would assume that has to be the reason, because Koreans don't just stop with a style just because its boring (see BL Infestor).
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