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Congratulations Bunny ! It seems so long since the last Terran foreigner won a tourney, I'm really happy both for him and for Terran fans.
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Belgica34432 Posts
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On August 04 2014 04:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:11 Squat wrote:On August 04 2014 04:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. The prestige of "winning a premier" is nice, but he's making some serious bank today either way so he doesn't care. The only thing that should be of any relevance when discussing the prestige of a tournament is who you beat. If you win 100k at a local lan that's awesome, but it has nothing on a stacked 5k tournament in terms of prestige. The same logic should apply to the stupid debate about premier. Who was there, who did he play, that's all we should care about. Also WCS points in invite tourneys is a joke. I agree with that last point for sure. I don't understand how it's allowed that 75% of the players were invited yet it's for a lot of WCS points. I seriously think there should be some sort of debate here over that.
It completely delegitimizes the idea of a global qualifying process. The points distribution is bad enough as it is, with a random DH being better than a Ro8 finish in the GSL, but this just makes it utterly random and arbitrary. WCS has nothing to do with actual fair competition in this format.
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On August 04 2014 04:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:11 Squat wrote:On August 04 2014 04:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. The prestige of "winning a premier" is nice, but he's making some serious bank today either way so he doesn't care. The only thing that should be of any relevance when discussing the prestige of a tournament is who you beat. If you win 100k at a local lan that's awesome, but it has nothing on a stacked 5k tournament in terms of prestige. The same logic should apply to the stupid debate about premier. Who was there, who did he play, that's all we should care about. Also WCS points in invite tourneys is a joke. I agree with that last point for sure. I don't understand how it's allowed that 75% of the players were invited yet it's for a lot of WCS points. I seriously think there should be some sort of debate here over that.
Well everyone is pretty much in agreement that the points were silly so there's not much debate to be had.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:16 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:12 Larkin wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking  Why do you care that much what type of tournament it is? Fact is, a foreign terran beat off Korean opposition to win a tournament and claim a big prize pool, that's it. b-but.. it's like losing your virginity but not getting the diploma to hang on your wall. It takes away from the magic!
What the fuck was any of that even supposed to even.
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On August 04 2014 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:09 Zetter wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. HSC has the same percentage of invites, a lower price pool and no live attendance though. HSC is the most glaring example of a tournament that should not be Premier nor have access to as many WCS points. The amount of invites is insane and makes the tournament organizer a major kingmaker in who gets access to Blizzcon and who does not, based on who they invite. 25% qualifiers with only 6% qualifier access for Korean players should by all rights not be anywhere near enough to qualify for any amount of WCS points.
GSL should also grant more WCS points compared to WCS Europe and America, because the level of play there is a fuckton higher, yet its not the case which is a major fuck you towards Korea in terms of Blizzcon. We will never get a perfectly fair system.
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I just think its is really cool to see a foreign terran win something so Im all good.
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On August 04 2014 04:17 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:09 Zetter wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. HSC has the same percentage of invites, a lower price pool and no live attendance though. HSC is the most glaring example of a tournament that should not be Premier nor have access to as many WCS points. The amount of invites is insane and makes the tournament organizer a major kingmaker in who gets access to Blizzcon and who does not, based on who they invite. 25% qualifiers with only 6% qualifier access for Korean players should by all rights not be anywhere near enough to qualify for any amount of WCS points. GSL should also grant more WCS points compared to WCS Europe and America, because the level of play there is a fuckton higher, yet its not the case which is a major fuck you towards Korea in terms of Blizzcon. We will never get a perfectly fair system.
I thought it was the case already
edit : just more money 
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Belgica34432 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:17 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:16 nkr wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Larkin wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking Why do you care that much what type of tournament it is? Fact is, a foreign terran beat off Korean opposition to win a tournament and claim a big prize pool, that's it. b-but.. it's like losing your virginity but not getting the diploma to hang on your wall. It takes away from the magic! What the fuck was any of that even supposed to even.
I think he's saying he's a wizard? Or maybe a virgin?
Anyway, he has a diploma
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On August 04 2014 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:09 Zetter wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. HSC has the same percentage of invites, a lower price pool and no live attendance though. HSC is the most glaring example of a tournament that should not be Premier nor have access to as many WCS points. The amount of invites is insane and makes the tournament organizer a major kingmaker in who gets access to Blizzcon and who does not, based on who they invite. 25% qualifiers with only 6% qualifier access for Korean players should by all rights not be anywhere near enough to qualify for any amount of WCS points.
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Premier tournaments and WCS points are two seperate subjects in my opinion though. The distinction came way before WCS started and I think even an invite only tournament could be considered premier as long as the tournament is stacked enough.
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On August 04 2014 04:17 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:09 Zetter wrote:On August 04 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 04 2014 04:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 04 2014 04:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
inb4 whining, oh too late But this time we get imba whining AND whether its premier or not Well it's definitely not Premier, it had far too many invites for that. It shouldn't have even had as many WCS points as it did imho, the system is fundamentally stacked in favour of players that are already popular, it's a rich get richer system. Somehow I doubt Bunny gives a shit if it's premier or not though. HSC has the same percentage of invites, a lower price pool and no live attendance though. HSC is the most glaring example of a tournament that should not be Premier nor have access to as many WCS points. The amount of invites is insane and makes the tournament organizer a major kingmaker in who gets access to Blizzcon and who does not, based on who they invite. 25% qualifiers with only 6% qualifier access for Korean players should by all rights not be anywhere near enough to qualify for any amount of WCS points. GSL should also grant more WCS points compared to WCS Europe and America, because the level of play there is a fuckton higher, yet its not the case which is a major fuck you towards Korea in terms of Blizzcon. We will never get a perfectly fair system.
the problem is that the korean scene always was one where you only had 1 or at most 2 big tournaments. korea is in desperate need of a higher tournament saturation for the locale players without unreasonably high transportcosts. the need something besides GSL, especially since OSL seems to be dead aswell.
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United States13143 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major
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On August 04 2014 04:13 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking yes we can. it means that non koreans, just like koreans, are at least able to win tournaments. this is the first tournament win for a foreign terran where koreans where involved since thorzain's 2012 dreamhackwin, which was preceded by his TSL3 win 2011.
Stephano (NASL 3) mana (DH summer 2012) nerchio (DH bucharest 2012) snute (seatstory cup 2014) at least have won tournaments with koreans after Thorzain.
Don't forget 
edit : added stephano's nasl...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:21 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major
Wow I don't even have rights to view that
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:21 Elyvilon wrote:On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major Wow I don't even have rights to view that
Check your privilege
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I'm just happy for bunny.
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United States13143 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:21 Elyvilon wrote:On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major Wow I don't even have rights to view that
make more liquipedia edits
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Gratz to Bunny I guess
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:24 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:24 Zealously wrote:On August 04 2014 04:21 Elyvilon wrote:On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major Wow I don't even have rights to view that Check your privilege
Wow this is really irritating wtf Liquipedia
On August 04 2014 04:26 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 04:24 Zealously wrote:On August 04 2014 04:21 Elyvilon wrote:On August 04 2014 04:15 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 04 2014 04:12 Lorning wrote:On August 04 2014 04:10 nkr wrote:question is, can we really be happy about this if it's not a premier event? I feel rather cheated on my joy, I saw bunny winning, clicked on events.. but it was listed under major. Now I am sulking 12 players, 9 invited. This can't be a Premier just because of this (and some other reasons I guess) And what does it fucking matter anyway It doesn't matter, but it raises questions if homestory cup counts as premier with the same number of qualification spots, more invites and a lower prizepool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/liquipedia/460313-gfinity-g3-premier-or-major Wow I don't even have rights to view that make more liquipedia edits
Maybe if a day had 48 hours
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