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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 19:00:33
July 27 2014 19:00 GMT
#961
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Pro tip: don't loose your 4th, Zergs.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 27 2014 19:00 GMT
#962
On July 28 2014 04:00 CursOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Damn, i am asleep. Can't even tell if sarcasm.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
July 27 2014 19:00 GMT
#963
On July 28 2014 03:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:53 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, guys, anyone gets the good old early HotS non-hellbat TvZs vibe from this? I sure as fuck do.

U mean terran just keeps pushing, and zerg desperatly trying to survive but eventually dying

Yeah. I watched that Soulkey vs Innovation series in OSL. In full.

not really suprising, considering that the old mine is back, which was considered balanced, plus all
the buffs terran have gotten in the mean time. meanwhile, zerg got better hydras
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 27 2014 19:01 GMT
#964
On July 28 2014 04:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 04:00 CursOr wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Damn, i am asleep. Can't even tell if sarcasm.


ofc
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 19:01:56
July 27 2014 19:01 GMT
#965
On July 28 2014 04:00 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:53 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, guys, anyone gets the good old early HotS non-hellbat TvZs vibe from this? I sure as fuck do.

U mean terran just keeps pushing, and zerg desperatly trying to survive but eventually dying

Yeah. I watched that Soulkey vs Innovation series in OSL. In full.

not really suprising, considering that the old mine is back, which was considered balanced, plus all
the buffs terran have gotten in the mean time. meanwhile, zerg got better hydras

Hey, we also got imba regen mutas and quicker overseers that can actually fly as fast as marines run. But then again, we had this before mine nerf too!
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 27 2014 19:01 GMT
#966
On July 28 2014 03:59 Squat wrote:
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On July 28 2014 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Seriously, this wasn't even close at any point. Scarlett getting worked harder than I've seen in a while

That's just not true, she lost a fairly close game, and then there was a 10 minute death animation. Also, everyone predicted zergs would be losing macro games to terran left and right for the first few weeks after the patch, it will take some time to adapt.


As soon as the 4th died it was no longer close. She did 0 harass until it was far too late. I <3 scarlett but let's not pretend that she wasn't super dead. I agree on that second part though, T is gonna look good for a while here.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 27 2014 19:02 GMT
#967
On July 28 2014 04:00 CursOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Pro tip: don't loose your 4th, Zergs.


He asked for obvious mistakes, that was an obvious mistake...
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 27 2014 19:03 GMT
#968
On July 28 2014 04:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:59 Squat wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Seriously, this wasn't even close at any point. Scarlett getting worked harder than I've seen in a while

That's just not true, she lost a fairly close game, and then there was a 10 minute death animation. Also, everyone predicted zergs would be losing macro games to terran left and right for the first few weeks after the patch, it will take some time to adapt.


As soon as the 4th died it was no longer close. She did 0 harass until it was far too late. I <3 scarlett but let's not pretend that she wasn't super dead. I agree on that second part though, T is gonna look good for a while here.

Tbh as long as we get one-sided games that do not look like trainwrecks (like one we just watched) i am fine. Granted, i am kinda banned from ladder since i am not able to download SC2 after my old hard disk went to hell.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 27 2014 19:04 GMT
#969
On July 28 2014 04:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 04:00 CursOr wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Pro tip: don't loose your 4th, Zergs.


He asked for obvious mistakes, that was an obvious mistake...

Obvious mistake would be trying to go for counter attack when Bunny was already attacking 4th, so losing a 4th is not an answer, it's how you lose it (and IIRC i was certain that Scarlett was done for in the game before Bunny even killed a 4th).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
July 27 2014 19:04 GMT
#970
On July 28 2014 04:00 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:53 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, guys, anyone gets the good old early HotS non-hellbat TvZs vibe from this? I sure as fuck do.

U mean terran just keeps pushing, and zerg desperatly trying to survive but eventually dying

Yeah. I watched that Soulkey vs Innovation series in OSL. In full.

not really suprising, considering that the old mine is back, which was considered balanced, plus all
the buffs terran have gotten in the mean time. meanwhile, zerg got better hydras

I was somewhat worried about the cumulative effect of the changes. The one change I was really opposed to was the Thor change, because it made an already slow and clumsy unit require even less micro.

I dunno, we'll see in a month I guess. I just kind of fear it will go back to endless 4M pushes.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
July 27 2014 19:05 GMT
#971
Snute went back to the hotel at 00.30 CEST and he had to leave at 6.45 CEST.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
July 27 2014 19:06 GMT
#972
On July 28 2014 03:58 CursOr wrote:
That was just really smooth. Everything flowed so perfectly for Bunny, upgrades, production, expansions just all timed out perfectly. I'm very impressed.


Don't really agree here. He got a good head-start and then just played well enough in order to win the game later.

However, there were lots of small miscontrols multiple times during the game and also he should have had turrets in the main.

If anything, I feel this game clearly demonstrated that Bunny isn't where he needs to be if he wants to compete with the title of best foreign terran.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 27 2014 19:06 GMT
#973
Wow wtf, MaNa and TLO beat INno.

Slump city?
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 27 2014 19:06 GMT
#974
On July 28 2014 04:06 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:58 CursOr wrote:
That was just really smooth. Everything flowed so perfectly for Bunny, upgrades, production, expansions just all timed out perfectly. I'm very impressed.


Don't really agree here. He got a good head-start and then just played well enough in order to win the game later.

However, there were lots of small miscontrols multiple times during the game and also he should have had turrets in the main.

If anything, I feel this game clearly demonstrated that Bunny isn't where he needs to be if he wants to compete with the title of best foreign terran.

There are other foreign terrans /s. Unless you mean WCS EU korean Ts as foreign terrans.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
July 27 2014 19:07 GMT
#975
Innovation "safe and solid" image meme go.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 27 2014 19:07 GMT
#976
On July 28 2014 04:06 Lorning wrote:
Wow wtf, MaNa and TLO beat INno.

Slump city?

Not really, since IIRC neither did it in usual macro game, but the right way.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 27 2014 19:07 GMT
#977
On July 28 2014 04:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 04:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 04:00 CursOr wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Bunny made Terran look OP again there.

And apart from that banshee doing more damage than it should have i did not even see the obvious mistakes from Scarlett.

Losing the 4th.


Yeah if she had not lost her 4th base she would have done better. Great observation.

Pro tip: don't loose your 4th, Zergs.


He asked for obvious mistakes, that was an obvious mistake...

Obvious mistake would be trying to go for counter attack when Bunny was already attacking 4th, so losing a 4th is not an answer, it's how you lose it (and IIRC i was certain that Scarlett was done for in the game before Bunny even killed a 4th).


Perhaps not going for the 4th at the gold then. We've seen Scarlett defend that base more effectively before, The position Bunny was in there was completely untouchable once he had the mines set up.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 19:09:32
July 27 2014 19:08 GMT
#978
On July 28 2014 04:06 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 03:58 CursOr wrote:
That was just really smooth. Everything flowed so perfectly for Bunny, upgrades, production, expansions just all timed out perfectly. I'm very impressed.


Don't really agree here. He got a good head-start and then just played well enough in order to win the game later.

However, there were lots of small miscontrols multiple times during the game and also he should have had turrets in the main.

If anything, I feel this game clearly demonstrated that Bunny isn't where he needs to be if he wants to compete with the title of best foreign terran.

Who the hell is better than Bunny right now? He's the best foreign terran for sure. He won a super solid game there and forced Scarlett into a really bad position and finished it off.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 27 2014 19:08 GMT
#979
On July 28 2014 04:04 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 04:00 Paljas wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:53 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
On July 28 2014 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, guys, anyone gets the good old early HotS non-hellbat TvZs vibe from this? I sure as fuck do.

U mean terran just keeps pushing, and zerg desperatly trying to survive but eventually dying

Yeah. I watched that Soulkey vs Innovation series in OSL. In full.

not really suprising, considering that the old mine is back, which was considered balanced, plus all
the buffs terran have gotten in the mean time. meanwhile, zerg got better hydras

I was somewhat worried about the cumulative effect of the changes. The one change I was really opposed to was the Thor change, because it made an already slow and clumsy unit require even less micro.

I dunno, we'll see in a month I guess. I just kind of fear it will go back to endless 4M pushes.


Basically, Terran is now stronger vs all races than it was before the original mine nerf. Mines are as good vs Z and better vs P.

I don't necessarily mind (no pun intended) that. Players are better used to dealing with mines than they were in early stage HotS.

But the Thor change kinda bugs me because it's just micro that is needed, nothing else. Stalkers auto attack lings etc rather than air, why shouldn't Thors do the same?

Perhaps a better change would be something like a Thor will shoot air once a single air unit is targeted, just to add a little bit more micro to it rather than it auto annihilating mutas. So like a targeting thing. It shoots ground if ordered to attack ground units and air if ordered to attack air units.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 27 2014 19:08 GMT
#980
On July 28 2014 04:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 04:06 Lorning wrote:
Wow wtf, MaNa and TLO beat INno.

Slump city?

Not really, since IIRC neither did it in usual macro game, but the right way.


Well Inno decided to all-in Mana though.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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