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On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2?
How is violet a team? How can one person be considered a team? You have found a exploit to circumvent the no joker rule, end of story.
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lame, I wanted to see Bounty Hunters make it in 
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March 25, 2014 - 11:00 CET, Is that accurate for Alien Invasion/Flash Wolves match =\? I wanted to watch my Chinese bros, but there's no way I stay up for that.
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On March 25 2014 07:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:56 Darkhorse wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 Popkiller wrote:
Mvp probably walked past all of them and shook his head. Don't touch me with your dirty non 3-gsl winning hands. So only Nestea can touch him? Mvp won 4. Correct.
So is it specifically 3? Because then Mvp couldn't touch himself, though I'm sure he has enough fangirls that it doesn't matter.
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On March 25 2014 07:01 ssxsilver wrote:
March 25, 2014 - 11:00 CET, Is that accurate for Alien Invasion/Flash Wolves match =\? I wanted to watch my Chinese bros, but there's no way I stay up for that.
Yes thats correct.
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On March 25 2014 07:03 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:01 ssxsilver wrote:
March 25, 2014 - 11:00 CET, Is that accurate for Alien Invasion/Flash Wolves match =\? I wanted to watch my Chinese bros, but there's no way I stay up for that. Yes thats correct.
Damn T.T. Anyhow, hf y'all.
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Now First and Yoda are out of things to do again. Guess they are MC and Mvps pracitce partners fulltime now.
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Well at least the team of MC, is formed by players that are friends, and like to train together, but for example "EG", JD doesnt train with xenocider or demuslim and they arent friends for sure. I personally prefer this concept where the players have some kind of relationship that isnt only about sponsors.
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On March 25 2014 07:02 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:00 stuchiu wrote:On March 25 2014 06:56 Darkhorse wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 Popkiller wrote:
Mvp probably walked past all of them and shook his head. Don't touch me with your dirty non 3-gsl winning hands. So only Nestea can touch him? Mvp won 4. Correct. So is it specifically 3? Because then Mvp couldn't touch himself, though I'm sure he has enough fangirls that it doesn't matter.
Who knows since Mvp can't move his hands anyway.
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On March 25 2014 07:12 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:02 Darkhorse wrote:On March 25 2014 07:00 stuchiu wrote:On March 25 2014 06:56 Darkhorse wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 Popkiller wrote:
Mvp probably walked past all of them and shook his head. Don't touch me with your dirty non 3-gsl winning hands. So only Nestea can touch him? Mvp won 4. Correct. So is it specifically 3? Because then Mvp couldn't touch himself, though I'm sure he has enough fangirls that it doesn't matter. Who knows since Mvp van't move his hands anyway.
hahahaha daaamnn
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On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team.
I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only.
Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM?
Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels?
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On March 25 2014 06:46 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:44 Vesimias wrote:On March 25 2014 06:43 sharkie wrote:On March 25 2014 06:41 Vesimias wrote:
Welmu playing like a god! you mean Welmu is playing like Welmu? Yes, exactly. but elfi is God. Can there be two gods in Finland?
Scandinavian countries have plenty of gods, all of them with manly beards and copious tolerance for alcohol. Even the female deities.
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On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels?
The Dignitas manager stated that coL approached them because "they were unsure about their player availability throughout the season". So maybe coL has not enough players and would've to forfeit midseason.
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Guys, I think Welmu just solved our "is Bounty Hunters a team" debate for us.
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On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels?
Yeah I couldn't agree more really. However, ATC is required. Teamleagues outside of Kespa are dead. Giving your team teaamleagues as an objective is no longer viable. In 2013 our goal was to win GSTL, which we did. We poured a lot of resources into it, as did Acer, hell the only reason we even have the house we currently do is because we wanted to compete in GSTL. Now that's not an option, so regardless of the issues ATC has had so far, it really is the only thing sailing for non-Kespa teams, with the exception of Clan Wars. I just hope that next time they do respect the idea that a team is not merely a bunch of players pulled together from random places and teamleagues require a bit more than just having a roster with good players in it, they require you to be able to play as a team.
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On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels?
Empire only has one semi well known player on their academy team (uThermal) and the rest really aren't known :/. Plus we don't know the monetary situation for Empire so we can't be sure they are able to sign new players right now. For the sake of having a high level of competition I'm glad they managed to secure good players in some way. Team partnerships are generally a different animal than jokers, especially when the partnership is fairly equal and is necessary in order to have a proper amount of players.
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On March 25 2014 07:21 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels? Empire only has one semi well known player on their academy team (uThermal) and the rest really aren't known :/. Plus we don't know the monetary situation for Empire so we can't be sure they are able to sign new players right now. For the sake of having a high level of competition I'm glad they managed to secure good players in some way. Team partnerships are generally a different animal than jokers, especially when the partnership is fairly equal and is necessary in order to have a proper amount of players.
I agree, plus in online leagues there is no reason not to have that level of equality. People poke at us for taking 2 from Acer? Well that's as many as our house could fit, it's as simple as that. Not an issue in online events. We'd have fielded the rest of Acer (including Scarlett) if we could have housed them, but GSTL is not an online tournament.
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On March 25 2014 07:21 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels? Empire only has one semi well known player on their academy team (uThermal) and the rest really aren't known :/. Plus we don't know the monetary situation for Empire so we can't be sure they are able to sign new players right now. For the sake of having a high level of competition I'm glad they managed to secure good players in some way. Team partnerships are generally a different animal than jokers, especially when the partnership is fairly equal and is necessary in order to have a proper amount of players.
That isnt the known  uThermal, thats the russian uThermal
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On March 25 2014 07:23 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 07:21 Darkhorse wrote:On March 25 2014 07:14 mikkmagro wrote:On March 25 2014 06:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:51 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 25 2014 06:35 Socke wrote:On March 25 2014 06:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The difference is taking two rosters and merging them vs cherry-picking from a roster. Good job cherry-picking MMA and Innovation to win last GSTL season then? -_-; Why is it OUTRAGEOUS if its only 1 player, but as soon as theres 2 or more its ok? i dont really get it. Socke quit being obtuse. It's against the spirit of the competition and you know it. We got the entire Korean wing of Acer, which happened to be 2 players, who were both living in our house. Not only that but it was entirely within the GSTL rules. This nonsense going on is only "within the rules" because Take.TV admins have taken a very liberal interpretation of what those rules are. "1.4 Cooperation A cooperation between two(2) teams is allowed. They will handled exactly like a stand alone team. e.g. Axiom-Acer in GSTL The name of a cooperation have to make sure that both team names are included." Since it says teams in the rulebook, not organisations one might argue that this rule intends not to enable teams to partner with other organizations (or groups of) players. But the admins who created the rules allowed teams to partner with organisations when the lineups were communicated, so it seems to me that with the quoted excerpt they intended to allow 2 organisations, not teams to partner. So its not against the rules id say. Why are you getting upset about how the Admins are interpreting their rules prior to the start of a tournament? How can it be against the spirit of the competition to allow 1 player from another team to participate, and fully in the spirit of the competition to include 2? That should be obvious. Including one player is exactly the same as including one player under the Joker rule, which was abolished after a lot of disagreement from team owners and rightfully so. There is no effective difference. I am annoyed that the admins chose to interpret the rules in such a way that surprised other teams and caught them off guard during the qualifier and also did not mention these "cooperations" to any of the participating teams who were already qualified from the last season. I am also annoyed that the admins then made excuses up to and including claiming that management agencies were somehow teams, which has never been held to be true (and with good reason). Anyway, at this point it does not matter. All the teams who looked to take this route were knocked out, so the only disagreement I have remaining at this point is the fact that Empire-Fnatic did not have to requalify when last season they played under Empire-Ence and were effectively a completely different team. I really hope that next time round ATC will stick strictly to teams only. Agencies are definitely not teams, especially considering their clients are on different teams. It creates too many questions. If Bounty Hunters is Roccat + Global Esports Management, does it mean that they can also field Dimaga since he is on ROCCAT? Or should Dimaga be a player for XMG-CSA since he is a client of CSA? Can Bounty Hunters also just decide to get Mvp and NesTea since they're also with GEM, but at the same time on IM? Secondly, it is completely and utterly unfair to allow teams already in the league to partner up with other teams. Whilst everyone else had to qualify to participate, Dignitas and Fnatic got a free pass into the main tournament by partnering up with other teams. There was no reason for this to happen; coL has more than enough players, they definitely did not need Dignitas except for the quality of their players. Empire could have used their academy team or signed a few of the many teamless players out there, but instead they decided to partner up with one of the better teams in Europe. How is that fair on other teams that go to considerable expense in order to have a team able to compete in team leagues at the highest levels? Empire only has one semi well known player on their academy team (uThermal) and the rest really aren't known :/. Plus we don't know the monetary situation for Empire so we can't be sure they are able to sign new players right now. For the sake of having a high level of competition I'm glad they managed to secure good players in some way. Team partnerships are generally a different animal than jokers, especially when the partnership is fairly equal and is necessary in order to have a proper amount of players. That isnt the known uThermal, thats the russian uThermal
Well shit that is even more convincing.
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wow so many pages for a qualifier, has #passion returned to tl?
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