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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4381
On March 16 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:12 lichter wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 jakethesnake wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:10 GumBa wrote:
damn I hate blink

I love blink. I hate blink all-ins.


Blink all-ins is a misnomer. You can always transition from blink unlike say a 1-1-1.


Only if you keep your stalkers


Ah but if you don't lose your units in a 1-1-1, you're still dead.


1-1-1 is maximum yolo yes
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4382
On March 16 2014 04:11 sc2holar wrote:
I actually think that counter attack attempt from polt cost him the game. He could have hold on if these units where at home considering herO lost his MSC very early

The reason herO lost MSC was because he was distracted by Polt's run by. It was the correct response invented by Polt.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4383
On March 16 2014 04:14 TheDwf wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:13 Incognoto wrote:
I mean, why don't terrans just skip stim to get out 4 more marauders? ez pz

Wasn't aware stim costs 400 minerals.


It was a joke.
maru lover forever
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4384
I saw Welmu stream today and he said that a 1 gate FE into the gold base can sometimes hold even a proxy rax.

Dunno if herO knows this or if it's even true.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4385
On March 16 2014 04:11 stuchiu wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:11 jakethesnake wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:10 GumBa wrote:
damn I hate blink

I love blink. I hate blink all-ins.


Blink all-ins is a misnomer. You can always transition from blink unlike say a 1-1-1.

That's true only for the modern version of blink PvT play, the original version done from one base was very much all-in. Only the two base variant transitions very well, especially since there is guaranteed damage to Terran in it, even if defended.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 19:14 GMT
#4386
Polt just shouldn't have been out on the map with either group. If he consolidated his army at home and made more bunkers he could've held the blink.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4387
On March 16 2014 04:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:13 Dinotramp wrote:
delete blink please


wat? no.

Blink is fun and actually requires micro from the protoss. delete polar nights. It sucks


And Yeonsu and Heavy Rain. At least make blink barriers or something.
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r691175002
Profile Joined October 2012
249 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4388
On March 16 2014 04:12 bo1b wrote:Just like parting and his soul train, we have to rely on protoss randomly deciding to not use it anymore


At least when you defend an immortal sentry all-in, the Protoss is in a difficult position. Defending a blink play just means you get to go into the late game on even ground, which is Protoss favored...
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4389
That probe from herO is so fucking genius
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4390
On March 16 2014 04:13 lichter wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:12 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 r691175002 wrote:
Why David Kim?

Can anyone honestly defend her0s ability to go blink without fail in every TvP and win easily regardless of how well it is scouted and countered?

This is why Protoss domination has been the most hated period of Starcraft.


Polt giving away a good chunk of his army, and then the counter attack that didn't really do enough damage is way more of a reason why he lost lol

He killed 16 workers with his counter attack and forced warp ins at home.


You can't hold a blink all in with 1 bunker and no medivacs


You can't have medivacs in time for blink. If you meant, you need to buy time until medivacs are out with a bunch of bunkers, yeah I guess you are right, but you will never have medivacs out in time.

vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4391
On March 16 2014 04:12 Cheren wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:11 Darkhorse wrote:
I don't think blink builds are overpowered but I am extremely bored seeing these games constantly


2 base blink is still really good cause you can play a macro game if you don't kill the terran. It's really too map-dependent to call overpowered though.


Yeah but there are 3-4 maps in the pool where it is incredibly strong (Heavy Rain, Yeonsu, Frost kind of, Polar Night kind of too)
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4392
On March 16 2014 04:13 stuchiu wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:11 bo1b wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:10 stuchiu wrote:
See, Blink is still pretty great.

10 pool isn't a possibility any more, so whats the one cheese you're looking for now to finish off the tournament in the most rage inducing way possible for the opponent?


If it's TvP the Arthur Gold base gateway all-in.

If it's PvP just 3 gates win the game.

Arthur's 1 base blink all in vs 2 base terran would be more rage inducing I think
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18472 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4393
herO keeps mining with only 1 probe from 2 assimilators, new meta?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4394
Give blink to carriers.
maru lover forever
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4395
On March 16 2014 04:15 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 04:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:13 Dinotramp wrote:
delete blink please


wat? no.

Blink is fun and actually requires micro from the protoss. delete polar nights. It sucks


And Yeonsu and Heavy Rain. At least make blink barriers or something.


Heavy Rain can stay, it at least provides fun games :p
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4396
On March 16 2014 04:14 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:12 lichter wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 jakethesnake wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:10 GumBa wrote:
damn I hate blink

I love blink. I hate blink all-ins.


Blink all-ins is a misnomer. You can always transition from blink unlike say a 1-1-1.


Only if you keep your stalkers


Ah but if you don't lose your units in a 1-1-1, you're still dead.


1-1-1 is maximum yolo yes

Much like you cannot transition out of a 1-1-1 Puma never managed to transition after it was nerfed
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4397
herO's timing with the probe is right on target!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
March 15 2014 19:15 GMT
#4398
PvP best matchup. Protoss always loses
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 15 2014 19:16 GMT
#4399
On March 16 2014 04:14 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 04:13 sharkie wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:12 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:11 r691175002 wrote:
Why David Kim?

Can anyone honestly defend her0s ability to go blink without fail in every TvP and win easily regardless of how well it is scouted and countered?

This is why Protoss domination has been the most hated period of Starcraft.


Polt giving away a good chunk of his army, and then the counter attack that didn't really do enough damage is way more of a reason why he lost lol

He killed 16 workers with his counter attack and forced warp ins at home.


and then lost his OC lol...

Just trying to disprove his assertion that the counter attack didn't really do damage.

I said it didn't do ENOUGH damage, which is a big difference. Considering the big chunk of army he lost earlier, and then losing a bunch of his own SCVs, that counter attack basically needed to do crippling damage in order for it to be worth it, and it didn't.
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
March 15 2014 19:16 GMT
#4400
On March 16 2014 04:13 Cheren wrote:
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On March 16 2014 04:12 imrusty269 wrote:
I think DK is gonna nerf blink after this.


Depends if we see another PvP final. I can see 12 second cooldown being a possibility since most people said 15 was too anti-micro.


Personally, I hope not. Besides, after the last patch he said they were going to let PvT be for a while so that patch changes take effect. From recent AMA, it appears that SH and PvZ/TvZ is top on their list of things to "look into".
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