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On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still. Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards.
But it's still always gonna be RNG. The game can be won or lost based on you're card draws very easily, even if you make all the "right" decisions. So you can't say there will ever be cards that are consistent, the nature of the game prevents it.
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On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still. Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards. What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks.
It wouldn't be surprising if they released cards which function as cantrips (look at the top few cards in your deck and rearrange them) or fetches (look for a _____ card, put it into your hand), which is what MTG does.
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On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me
Not necessarily, it will get figured out eventually very quickly. Different combinations will arise but the concept is still the same, you have to rely on "luck" to actually draw the card in the first place. The "skill" is constructing the deck, and knowing which order to use the cards, and that is figured out extremely quickly.
Comparing it to SC2 doesn't work either, because if they were to continuously add new units to the game it would be wayyyy different, because you actually have a choice in which units you build at which time in the game, and you actually control how much damage you deal out/how much you take based on your actions and "skill" inside the confines of the game. Hearthstone the skill is basically selecting the "units" or cards and that's about it.
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On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still. Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards. What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks.
Most players counts cards and know what the opponent's deck is by the 1st or 2nd turn and become able to play around their cards. They then make calculated risks based off of the likelihood of what the opponent can draw and run the percentages or bait out bad moves from the other guy.
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How were the WC3 games by the way? I read on the other LR thread that Grubby/Stephano didn't lose all of their mechanics.
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On March 10 2014 03:31 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still. Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards. What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks. Most players counts cards and know what the opponent's deck is by the 1st or 2nd turn and become able to play around their cards. They then make calculated risks based off of the likelihood of what the opponent can draw and run the percentages or bait out bad moves from the other guy.
Of course, i didnt say there is no level of skill involved, just that RNG is the dominating factor. If people want to watch that (and they obviously do) then fair enough.
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Yay, my cat came back. Thanks elfitaja
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On March 10 2014 03:35 IntoTheheart wrote:
How were the WC3 games by the way? I read on the other LR thread that Grubby/Stephano didn't lose all of their mechanics.
Stephano vs. Grubby was very good, Demuslim vs. Lucifer was a stomp really.
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On March 10 2014 03:37 NovaMB wrote:
Yay, my cat came back. Thanks elfitaja
Oh god, if I get a cat one day I will totally call him elfi.
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Are there VODs of the Lucifer vs. Demuslim game?
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where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b
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On March 10 2014 03:52 JacobShock wrote:
where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b
after this HS, supposedly
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On March 10 2014 03:54 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Thank you, sir!
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On March 10 2014 03:52 JacobShock wrote:
where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b
on page1 you can see the planned schedule of the day. dunno whether this is a bo7 or bo9 though
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Yay, SC2 next, then WC3 final, HS final (3rd place match SC2 at the same time on b-stream) SC2 grand final
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I wish the modnote from day 1 was back after reading the last pages
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On March 10 2014 04:07 NovaMB wrote:
I wish the modnote from day 1 was back after reading the last pages
It feels like people are just raging that they have to wait to watch more SC2.
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EPT
