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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 09 2014 18:27 GMT
#681
On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me


That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still.


Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards.


But it's still always gonna be RNG. The game can be won or lost based on you're card draws very easily, even if you make all the "right" decisions. So you can't say there will ever be cards that are consistent, the nature of the game prevents it.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 09 2014 18:29 GMT
#682
On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me


That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still.


Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards.


What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks.

It wouldn't be surprising if they released cards which function as cantrips (look at the top few cards in your deck and rearrange them) or fetches (look for a _____ card, put it into your hand), which is what MTG does.
kiss kiss fall in love
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
March 09 2014 18:30 GMT
#683
On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me


Not necessarily, it will get figured out eventually very quickly. Different combinations will arise but the concept is still the same, you have to rely on "luck" to actually draw the card in the first place. The "skill" is constructing the deck, and knowing which order to use the cards, and that is figured out extremely quickly.
Comparing it to SC2 doesn't work either, because if they were to continuously add new units to the game it would be wayyyy different, because you actually have a choice in which units you build at which time in the game, and you actually control how much damage you deal out/how much you take based on your actions and "skill" inside the confines of the game. Hearthstone the skill is basically selecting the "units" or cards and that's about it.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 09 2014 18:31 GMT
#684
On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me


That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still.


Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards.


What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks.


Most players counts cards and know what the opponent's deck is by the 1st or 2nd turn and become able to play around their cards. They then make calculated risks based off of the likelihood of what the opponent can draw and run the percentages or bait out bad moves from the other guy.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 09 2014 18:35 GMT
#685
How were the WC3 games by the way? I read on the other LR thread that Grubby/Stephano didn't lose all of their mechanics.
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werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
March 09 2014 18:36 GMT
#686
On March 10 2014 03:31 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 03:27 werynais wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 10 2014 03:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
you guys realize that hearthstone will get more cards and therefore the "skill ceiling" will automatically rise?
I mean i don't enjoy watching it at all, but this argument feels pretty wrong to me


That's kind of, artificial, don't you think? That's sort of like if they just kept adding new units to starcraft every few months. I mean, it's different obviously, but still.


Right, but over time there will be cards which are found to be more consistent which will be played over the RNG cards.


What? I dont think anyone was talking about the few RNG Cards in the game. Random starting decks and random card drawing will always be THE major factor. The only skill i can see would be in building decks.


Most players counts cards and know what the opponent's deck is by the 1st or 2nd turn and become able to play around their cards. They then make calculated risks based off of the likelihood of what the opponent can draw and run the percentages or bait out bad moves from the other guy.


Of course, i didnt say there is no level of skill involved, just that RNG is the dominating factor. If people want to watch that (and they obviously do) then fair enough.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 09 2014 18:37 GMT
#687
Yay, my cat came back. Thanks elfitaja
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 09 2014 18:38 GMT
#688
On March 10 2014 03:35 IntoTheheart wrote:
How were the WC3 games by the way? I read on the other LR thread that Grubby/Stephano didn't lose all of their mechanics.

Stephano vs. Grubby was very good, Demuslim vs. Lucifer was a stomp really.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
March 09 2014 18:39 GMT
#689
On March 10 2014 03:37 NovaMB wrote:
Yay, my cat came back. Thanks elfitaja

Oh god, if I get a cat one day I will totally call him elfi.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
March 09 2014 18:51 GMT
#690
Are there VODs of the Lucifer vs. Demuslim game?
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
March 09 2014 18:52 GMT
#691
where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b
"Right on" - Morrow
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 09 2014 18:54 GMT
#692
On March 09 2014 10:53 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 10:27 Wein wrote:
Any VODS for WC3 matchs?

Grubby (Orc) vs Stephano (Human) (includes 5 minutes pre-match talk about the WC3 scene)
Demuslim (Human/Orc) vs Lucifer (Undead)

Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 18:56:38
March 09 2014 18:56 GMT
#693
On March 10 2014 03:52 JacobShock wrote:
where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b


after this HS, supposedly
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
March 09 2014 18:58 GMT
#694
On March 10 2014 03:54 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 10:53 rasnj wrote:
On March 09 2014 10:27 Wein wrote:
Any VODS for WC3 matchs?

Grubby (Orc) vs Stephano (Human) (includes 5 minutes pre-match talk about the WC3 scene)
Demuslim (Human/Orc) vs Lucifer (Undead)



Thank you, sir!
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
March 09 2014 19:00 GMT
#695
On March 10 2014 03:52 JacobShock wrote:
where and when does TLO and Snute play for christ sake? :b

on page1 you can see the planned schedule of the day. dunno whether this is a bo7 or bo9 though
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 09 2014 19:05 GMT
#696
Yay, SC2 next, then WC3 final, HS final (3rd place match SC2 at the same time on b-stream) SC2 grand final
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 09 2014 19:05 GMT
#697
Europe holds?
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
March 09 2014 19:06 GMT
#698
grats on rng.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 09 2014 19:07 GMT
#699
I wish the modnote from day 1 was back after reading the last pages
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 09 2014 19:08 GMT
#700
On March 10 2014 04:07 NovaMB wrote:
I wish the modnote from day 1 was back after reading the last pages

It feels like people are just raging that they have to wait to watch more SC2.
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