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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
March 04 2014 12:50 GMT
#1241
On March 04 2014 21:49 FFW_Rude wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:45 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:44 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:35 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:31 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:13 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:09 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:07 liberate71 wrote:
[quote]

+ Show Spoiler +

Nothing tops what MKP did with his MM army on creep vs KyrixZenith speed banes

A lot tops that actually


What the hell are you smoking lol. I'm not a MKP fan and not a prime fan but Kyrix MKP game 2 (i think) is the best micro i have EVER seen for a terran.



But those baneling control are not good and MKP was on creep for the game against Kyriux.....

It's nowhere impressive.... the guy is rolling bane left and right and don't know what to do. No bane splits. I guess it's a foreigner with those banes ? It's not korean value (also ok kyrix was not near the level we have today. At least he splited his bane)


MarineKing was barely on the creep at all. Most of his micro was off creep in the middle of the tree things (still impressive - but not on creep)

Unless the highlight video missed that out, which I doubt it, as it would have been the main focal point of the micro


Maybe you're right.

But the baneling controls on the happy vids are just BAD (ok i'm gold) but from a watcher perspective this is bad micro for a gm with banes


Yeah it was definitely a case of "kite the ball of banes by having a section of marines close to it at all times" - I agree with you.


Not sure if you are being sarcastic because i don't really get what you are saying. My point was the marine control is good but the bane control isn't. It's just a pack of bane running arround. Not lots of small packs. But maybe i'm wrong. I don't have a good memory so...


Well some times the most impressive micro tricks are done to subpar players, the better players eliminate the ability to micro so it's actually less impressive. Boxer doing the tank pick up drop micro vs dragoons was only possible because he played players who never right clicked the dropship, but it's still impressive.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 04 2014 12:51 GMT
#1242
On March 04 2014 21:49 Shellshock wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:46 opterown wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:45 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:42 samurai80 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:38 nath wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:35 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:22 TearsOfTheSun wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:14 DJHelium wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:14 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I hope MKP gets crushed and then go and cry in the corner, and in the end get back to LoL. LOL


Why?

I am just trolling, except for him getting crushed, I am not trolling about that.

MKP is one of the very few Terran players that I really dislike, that is probably the reason.


MKP is so likable imo. may i ask your reason why you dislike him?

severely limited player managing to make himself relevant in a bad game. if this was bw he would never make it out of ogn qualifiers

couldn't you say that about a lot of sc2 pros??? (the ones who were either 'bad' at bw or didnt play bw)
but what is your point?

MKP's micro is also really good so I don't see the point about BW... I guess there must be some people to hate his personality (I personally don't) or play style (I personnaly don't like SCV pulls but it's not like he often does it), but one cannot say his style wouldn't be good for BW imo.


The old MKP wouldve SCV pulled into storm. I dont think MKP had a chance to beat a protoss like Rain going into late game his timing was actually very crisp for MKP standards.

depends on which old MKP, the old MKP would have straight up killed rain with 2 medivac push lol

old MKP would have opened up banshees on daybreak doing a lot of damage. get further ahead with his medivac push. then sit back and fail to defend zealot runbys and throw a huge lead resulting in his eventual elimination in the OSL and allowing Rain to get through to go on and win it D:

Cold as ice
LibertyRises
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States175 Posts
March 04 2014 12:51 GMT
#1243
On March 04 2014 21:46 opterown wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:45 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:42 samurai80 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:38 nath wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:35 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:22 TearsOfTheSun wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:14 DJHelium wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:14 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I hope MKP gets crushed and then go and cry in the corner, and in the end get back to LoL. LOL


Why?

I am just trolling, except for him getting crushed, I am not trolling about that.

MKP is one of the very few Terran players that I really dislike, that is probably the reason.


MKP is so likable imo. may i ask your reason why you dislike him?

severely limited player managing to make himself relevant in a bad game. if this was bw he would never make it out of ogn qualifiers

couldn't you say that about a lot of sc2 pros??? (the ones who were either 'bad' at bw or didnt play bw)
but what is your point?

MKP's micro is also really good so I don't see the point about BW... I guess there must be some people to hate his personality (I personally don't) or play style (I personnaly don't like SCV pulls but it's not like he often does it), but one cannot say his style wouldn't be good for BW imo.


The old MKP wouldve SCV pulled into storm. I dont think MKP had a chance to beat a protoss like Rain going into late game his timing was actually very crisp for MKP standards.

depends on which old MKP, the old MKP would have straight up killed rain with 2 medivac push lol


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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 04 2014 12:52 GMT
#1244
On March 04 2014 21:50 Caihead wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:49 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:45 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:44 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:35 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:31 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:13 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:09 Orcasgt24 wrote:
[quote]
Nothing tops what MKP did with his MM army on creep vs KyrixZenith speed banes

A lot tops that actually


What the hell are you smoking lol. I'm not a MKP fan and not a prime fan but Kyrix MKP game 2 (i think) is the best micro i have EVER seen for a terran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA


But those baneling control are not good and MKP was on creep for the game against Kyriux.....

It's nowhere impressive.... the guy is rolling bane left and right and don't know what to do. No bane splits. I guess it's a foreigner with those banes ? It's not korean value (also ok kyrix was not near the level we have today. At least he splited his bane)


MarineKing was barely on the creep at all. Most of his micro was off creep in the middle of the tree things (still impressive - but not on creep)

Unless the highlight video missed that out, which I doubt it, as it would have been the main focal point of the micro


Maybe you're right.

But the baneling controls on the happy vids are just BAD (ok i'm gold) but from a watcher perspective this is bad micro for a gm with banes


Yeah it was definitely a case of "kite the ball of banes by having a section of marines close to it at all times" - I agree with you.


Not sure if you are being sarcastic because i don't really get what you are saying. My point was the marine control is good but the bane control isn't. It's just a pack of bane running arround. Not lots of small packs. But maybe i'm wrong. I don't have a good memory so...


Well some times the most impressive micro tricks are done to subpar players, the better players eliminate the ability to micro so it's actually less impressive. Boxer doing the tank pick up drop micro vs dragoons was only possible because he played players who never right clicked the dropship, but it's still impressive.

I wish I could link drg vs innovation on whirlwind but gomtv has taken it down and wcs still hasn't uploaded the replays
kmh
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland351 Posts
March 04 2014 12:52 GMT
#1245
On March 04 2014 21:41 opterown wrote:
prime plays CJ next week, I BELIEVE IN PRIME


Prime is bound to win that match, but really that says more about CJ than it does about Prime.

Seems MKP really has given Prime a bit of a shot in the arm though, which is nice. They finally have a player who can win games and who is not named Creator.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12912 Posts
March 04 2014 12:53 GMT
#1246
On March 04 2014 21:36 Probemicro wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:31 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:13 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:09 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:07 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:07 Lazzi wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:05 liberate71 wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:04 ZenithM wrote:
I want to see MarineKing prove that Maru's micro is still the inferior product.
:D:D:D


Maru's micro vs Effort on Entombed surpasses anything I've seen MarineKing do - and that was 18 months ago!

what are you talking about?


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-_2kjicW6o

Nothing tops what MKP did with his MM army on creep vs KyrixZenith speed banes

A lot tops that actually


What the hell are you smoking lol. I'm not a MKP fan and not a prime fan but Kyrix MKP game 2 (i think) is the best micro i have EVER seen for a terran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA


But those baneling control are not good and MKP was on creep for the game against Kyriux.....

It's nowhere impressive.... the guy is rolling bane left and right and don't know what to do. No bane splits. I guess it's a foreigner with those banes ? It's not korean value (also ok kyrix was not near the level we have today. At least he splited his bane)


those mkp splits against kyrix was the very first public exhibition of stellar marine micro and literally defined what a great terran should be able to do. no disrespect to happy (hes one of the last few decent foreign terrans left) but hes opponent that game was no kyrix either, just a simple amove

darkforce showed way better micro than kyrix.
he certainly didn't just a move, he split his banelings against bio and magic box thors and also focus tanks with muta
you might as well simplified happy microing his marine t and move back.
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samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 13:07:10
March 04 2014 12:54 GMT
#1247
On March 04 2014 21:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


That's wolf, he always does that. Half his calls are wrong.

This was Brendan's call. Right after he said "MKP has WAY TOO MUCH !!", Wolf said the exact contrary. In fact, it was close, ended up in Rain barely holding, but MKP lost tons of workers unlike Rain. Overall Wolf was definitely more right than Brendan though.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
March 04 2014 12:54 GMT
#1248
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
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On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 12:58:00
March 04 2014 12:55 GMT
#1249
On March 04 2014 21:52 kmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:41 opterown wrote:
prime plays CJ next week, I BELIEVE IN PRIME


Prime is bound to win that match, but really that says more about CJ than it does about Prime.

Seems MKP really has given Prime a bit of a shot in the arm though, which is nice. They finally have a player who can win games and who is not named Creator.

i dno i'd say it's probably even, depends on the matchups really. creator needs to take out someone big on CJ, mkp needs a mediocre player, and then creator can take the ace since he's probably slightly better than herO

On March 04 2014 21:54 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.

i dno his builds look pretty good in the maps against dream and rain, although he was a bit mechanically meh against dream
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 04 2014 12:57 GMT
#1250
On March 04 2014 21:54 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.

He was having a tough time winning before because he was doing stupid shit, like +1 timings with bio vs zerg instead of going for 4m
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 04 2014 12:57 GMT
#1251
That maru vs effort was indeed impressive. Thx for the link
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12912 Posts
March 04 2014 12:59 GMT
#1252
On March 04 2014 21:57 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:54 Dosey wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.

He was having a tough time winning before because he was doing stupid shit, like +1 timings with bio vs zerg instead of going for 4m

he did say he doesn't like playing aggressive anymore if i remember correctly, that's why he started mech in late wol.
(or was it that he wants more defensive play style?)

he used these +1 CS timing back in wol as well and they worked pretty well.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27480 Posts
March 04 2014 12:59 GMT
#1253
Creator better than hero opter? :s

MKP's shape surprised me since he's returned, wonder how much he was playing while on his LoL hiatus. Enjoyed the clash of styles in the ace as well. MKP would be properly terrifying if he had the brain of an Mvp or Supernova but as he is he's looking pretty decent
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 04 2014 13:00 GMT
#1254
On March 04 2014 21:59 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:57 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:54 Dosey wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.

He was having a tough time winning before because he was doing stupid shit, like +1 timings with bio vs zerg instead of going for 4m

he did say he doesn't like playing aggressive anymore if i remember correctly, that's why he started mech in late wol.
(or was it that he wants more defensive play style?)

he used these +1 CS timing back in wol as well and they worked pretty well.

I remember him promising to play less greedy at one point and more safe overall (which he didn't).
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 04 2014 13:02 GMT
#1255
On March 04 2014 22:00 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:59 ETisME wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:57 bo1b wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:54 Dosey wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:43 LibertyRises wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:36 RyLai wrote:
MKP threw that Ace match really hard. He forced his way through the most difficult to break position, and in the second engage he was missing 10-20 supply cause his units were split due to path-finding (fucking map awareness please).

Prime should've won this series, but MKP... Idk what happened in his head. And I don't know what was up with the casters... "MKP'S GOT TOO MUCH!" There's like 5 Colossi standing vs half a dozen bio units...


This is T v P. He was on a timer, theres ffs so no amount of mirco is going to get all your forces engaging the protoss army it never happens unless the toss is backed into the corner. T v P is about damage control on the fly man and usually for someone who displays a distinct lack of thought or foresight in his games because of his overwhelming emotion I thought he actually had a good grasp on the game and the right thought process. It wasnt a throw either. Protoss as is, is really tough for terran and considering that toss was RAIN who has mechanical ability up the ying yang it was an impressive showing.

MKP has never really had a good grasp on the game... he's just a pitbull with great mechanics. Once the better players adapt to his aggression again, he'll have a tough time winning just as before.

He was having a tough time winning before because he was doing stupid shit, like +1 timings with bio vs zerg instead of going for 4m

he did say he doesn't like playing aggressive anymore if i remember correctly, that's why he started mech in late wol.
(or was it that he wants more defensive play style?)

he used these +1 CS timing back in wol as well and they worked pretty well.

I remember him promising to play less greedy at one point and more safe overall (which he didn't).

Yeah I remember that too :'(
But I think he played well today.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
March 04 2014 13:03 GMT
#1256
On March 04 2014 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Creator better than hero opter? :s

MKP's shape surprised me since he's returned, wonder how much he was playing while on his LoL hiatus. Enjoyed the clash of styles in the ace as well. MKP would be properly terrifying if he had the brain of an Mvp or Supernova but as he is he's looking pretty decent

yeah i think creator is playing better than hero, in SPL at least. he's steamrolled everyone he's played in R2 no contest
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Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
March 04 2014 13:04 GMT
#1257
It was interesting Prime's choice of using MKP as the ace player. Creator is on fire in PL and his PvP is strong.

But anyway, MKP played well and it is easy for me to judge after the results haha
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 04 2014 13:04 GMT
#1258
On March 04 2014 21:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Creator better than hero opter? :s

MKP's shape surprised me since he's returned, wonder how much he was playing while on his LoL hiatus. Enjoyed the clash of styles in the ace as well. MKP would be properly terrifying if he had the brain of an Mvp or Supernova but as he is he's looking pretty decent

I think mvp with any top terrans mechanics would be fucking terrifying. It's not like mvp was ever really known for being mechanically gifted (yes he could pull off what he needed to but he was no innovation).
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 04 2014 13:06 GMT
#1259
Whatever, Rain and Classic deserve a hype kill award.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
March 04 2014 13:07 GMT
#1260
On March 04 2014 22:06 boxerfred wrote:
Whatever, Rain and Classic deserve a hype kill award.

and soulkey (and creator maybe for derailing fantasy's pretty good play this round so far)
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