On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
Nope, ForGG killed that too. He was literally on 1 nexus and a bunch of Gateways for a pretty long time.
Lilbow had+1/+2 on his zealots though. It made them a lot harder to kill. I honestly feel that Lilbow won due to ForGG's mistakes rather than his own skill.
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Feel a little bad on behalf of ForGG. Guess he died along with the Hellbat nerfs Still, it's really hard not to be happy for Lilbow and XMG, nice to see a new player rise to stardom through WCS the same way Bunny did last year.
Protoss is way too forgiving. Whatever they do you can never counter attack because they already have next tech path ready to go.
Same thing happened with Flash when he tried to punish that failed proxy oracle against cc 1st, now that game on Frost as well.
If experienced terrans like ForGG and Flash can't tell when you can actually find an opening to punish protoss who is teching or expanding after a failed opening, I just don't know what to say about those games anymore.
Either all terrans are dumb noobs or there is actually no opening to find.
Not to mention how many storms protoss players have these days, EMP isn't even a counter when templars outnumber ghosts at least 2:1.... Not to mention the never dying chargelots.
Just ban me for 2 days I need a break from this. I just hope ForGG will feel better tomorrow and won't really retire that would be quite a shame.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.