(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend VortiX vs. Lilbow Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (3)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
33%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend VortiX vs. Lilbow Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend VortiX vs. Lilbow Game 3?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (9)
69%
★★★ - Good game (3)
23%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend VortiX vs. Lilbow Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs. BabyKnight Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (11)
73%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★ - Good game (1)
7%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs. BabyKnight Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs. BabyKnight Game 3?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (7)
35%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (5)
25%
★★★ - Good game (4)
20%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
10%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
10%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs. BabyKnight Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners's Match Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (6)
67%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners's Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners's Match Game 3?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★★★ - Good game (1)
20%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners's Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (7)
44%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (4)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
19%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4)
67%
★★★ - Good game (1)
17%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (9)
90%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
10%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (6)
67%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
11%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
How's VortiX been doing lately? The last time I saw him was in NationWars and he didn't look very good at all. If that's the case I think ForGG and BabyKnight will go through.
I can't believe there's still not a separate client with LAN for WCS and other premier tournaments. It's completely ridiculous... I can't remember the last tournament I saw that didn't have at least 1 problem with lag.
VortiX spawns in the top right Lilbow spawns in the top left
2:00 Gateway first for Lilbow. Vortix going gas first before a spawning pool. Lilbow taking one assimilator. Lilbow scouting.
3:00 Cybernetics core and a second assimilator for Lilbow. Vortix researching zergling speed and getting 4 zerglings. Lilbow moving down the middle of the map with his probe. Observer lagging!! Mothership core for Lilbow, and a zealot. Zerglings moving out. Observer is completely frozen. Vortix pauses.
4:00 Game is resumed. Vortix moving out while expanding. Lilbow chronoboosting out a second zealot. Zerglings poking. Vortix taking a third base. Probe nearly scouts the third base but turns around Lilbow building a pylon at his natural.
5:00 Zerglings trying to speed into the main but the second zealot blocks it. Lilbow walls his natural and then takes it. Fourth gateway for Lilbow. Vortix getting a roach warren.
On February 23 2014 02:21 Penguinator wrote: I can't believe there's still not a separate client with LAN for WCS and other premier tournaments. It's completely ridiculous... I can't remember the last tournament I saw that didn't have at least 1 problem with lag.
VortiX spawns in the top right Lilbow spawns in the top left
2:00 Gateway first for Lilbow. Vortix going gas first before a spawning pool. Lilbow taking one assimilator. Lilbow scouting.
3:00 Cybernetics core and a second assimilator for Lilbow. Vortix researching zergling speed and getting 4 zerglings. Lilbow moving down the middle of the map with his probe. Observer lagging!! Mothership core for Lilbow, and a zealot. Zerglings moving out. Observer is completely frozen. Vortix pauses.
4:00 Game is resumed. Vortix moving out while expanding. Lilbow chronoboosting out a second zealot. Zerglings poking. Vortix taking a third base. Probe nearly scouts the third base but turns around Lilbow building a pylon at his natural.
5:00 Zerglings trying to speed into the main but the second zealot blocks it. Lilbow walls his natural and then takes it. Fourth gateway for Lilbow. Vortix getting a roach warren.
6:00 VortiX 39 vs Lilbow 39 Zerglings scouting around for a pylon but missing it so far. Vortix going up to three gasses and starting roaches. Lilbow warping in sentries at his proxy pylon. A second pylon, closer to the third.
7:00 VortiX 60 vs Lilbow 59 Lilbow moving out from his natural. 14 zerglings and more roaches on the way. Lilbow warping in lots of sentries.
8:00 VortiX 67vs Lilbow 68 Vortix pokes at the sentries and forces force fields. Two more assimilators and 3 more gateways for Lilbow. Vortix getting a few drones. A few zerglings go for Lilbow's natural but there's a sentry and FF there.
9:00 VortiX 86 vs Lilbow 82 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix moving into the army. Lots of force fields but no mothership abilities. Lilbow warping in more stalkers but losing lots of sentries.
10:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 70 Lilbow is almost exclusively stalkers now. Roach speed starts research. Lilbow trying to walk into the third base. Lilbow FF's off a few roaches.
VortiX spawns in the top right Lilbow spawns in the top left
2:00 Gateway first for Lilbow. Vortix going gas first before a spawning pool. Lilbow taking one assimilator. Lilbow scouting.
3:00 Cybernetics core and a second assimilator for Lilbow. Vortix researching zergling speed and getting 4 zerglings. Lilbow moving down the middle of the map with his probe. Observer lagging!! Mothership core for Lilbow, and a zealot. Zerglings moving out. Observer is completely frozen. Vortix pauses.
4:00 Game is resumed. Vortix moving out while expanding. Lilbow chronoboosting out a second zealot. Zerglings poking. Vortix taking a third base. Probe nearly scouts the third base but turns around Lilbow building a pylon at his natural.
5:00 Zerglings trying to speed into the main but the second zealot blocks it. Lilbow walls his natural and then takes it. Fourth gateway for Lilbow. Vortix getting a roach warren.
6:00 VortiX 39 vs Lilbow 39 Zerglings scouting around for a pylon but missing it so far. Vortix going up to three gasses and starting roaches. Lilbow warping in sentries at his proxy pylon. A second pylon, closer to the third.
7:00 VortiX 60 vs Lilbow 59 Lilbow moving out from his natural. 14 zerglings and more roaches on the way. Lilbow warping in lots of sentries.
8:00 VortiX 67vs Lilbow 68 Vortix pokes at the sentries and forces force fields. Two more assimilators and 3 more gateways for Lilbow. Vortix getting a few drones. A few zerglings go for Lilbow's natural but there's a sentry and FF there.
9:00 VortiX 86 vs Lilbow 82 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix moving into the army. Lots of force fields but no mothership abilities. Lilbow warping in more stalkers but losing lots of sentries.
10:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 70 Lilbow is almost exclusively stalkers now. Roach speed starts research. Lilbow trying to walk into the third base. Lilbow FF's off a few roaches.
11:00 VortiX 94 vs Lilbow 94 Lilbow moving back and forth. Zealots being warped in. Time warp. Drones being pulled.
12:00 VortiX 87 vs Lilbow 86 An 8th gateway on the way for Lilbow. Vortix still trying to get something done with the roaches. Lilbow has 44 to 33 workers.
13:00 VortiX 81 vs Lilbow 104 Vortix trying to break through again but there are enough zealots to tank. Lilbow going for the third again. Vortix GG's! Lilbow takes a 1-0 lead!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Lilbow spawns in the top right
2:00 Vortix going hatchery first. Lilbow going nexus first. Vortix following up with a gas before pool. Gateway in Lilbow's main base, followed by an assimilator.
3:00 Second assimilator for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core and a zealot.
4:00 Zergling speed for Vortix Lilbow researching warpgate and getting a mothership core. Third queen for Vortix.
5:00 Vortix scouts the natural but is droning up. Lilbow mostly walling with a stargate and a gateway. Third base for Vortix.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Lilbow spawns in the top right
2:00 Vortix going hatchery first. Lilbow going nexus first. Vortix following up with a gas before pool. Gateway in Lilbow's main base, followed by an assimilator.
3:00 Second assimilator for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core and a zealot.
4:00 Zergling speed for Vortix Lilbow researching warpgate and getting a mothership core. Third queen for Vortix.
5:00 Vortix scouts the natural but is droning up. Lilbow mostly walling with a stargate and a gateway. Third base for Vortix.
6:00 VortiX 52 vs Lilbow 45 Vortix moving out with a couple of zerglings. Phoenix in production for Lilbow. Vortix scouts the stargate.
7:00 VortiX 55 vs Lilbow 55 Vortix getting two spore crawlers. Another gateway for Lilbow. Forge and robotics facility next to the gateway. Second overlord from Vortix dies.
8:00 VortiX 62 vs Lilbow 70 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix getting a roach warren. 10 drones in production. Lilbow cutting phoenix production at four. Robotics bay for Lilbow, and +1 ground attack. Lilbow getting a third base.
9:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 82 Lilbow kills a queen in the main. Two evolution chambers and an infestation pit for Vortix. Lilbow getting extended thermal lance. Lilbow starting a twilight council and getting 4 more gateways.
10:00 VortiX 104 vs Lilbow 96 Lilbow producing void rays. Vortix researching pathogen glands and getting +1/1. Roach speed finishing up. Phoenixes still moving around.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Lilbow spawns in the top right
2:00 Vortix going hatchery first. Lilbow going nexus first. Vortix following up with a gas before pool. Gateway in Lilbow's main base, followed by an assimilator.
3:00 Second assimilator for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core and a zealot.
4:00 Zergling speed for Vortix Lilbow researching warpgate and getting a mothership core. Third queen for Vortix.
5:00 Vortix scouts the natural but is droning up. Lilbow mostly walling with a stargate and a gateway. Third base for Vortix.
6:00 VortiX 52 vs Lilbow 45 Vortix moving out with a couple of zerglings. Phoenix in production for Lilbow. Vortix scouts the stargate.
7:00 VortiX 55 vs Lilbow 55 Vortix getting two spore crawlers. Another gateway for Lilbow. Forge and robotics facility next to the gateway. Second overlord from Vortix dies.
8:00 VortiX 62 vs Lilbow 70 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix getting a roach warren. 10 drones in production. Lilbow cutting phoenix production at four. Robotics bay for Lilbow, and +1 ground attack. Lilbow getting a third base.
9:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 82 Lilbow kills a queen in the main. Two evolution chambers and an infestation pit for Vortix. Lilbow getting extended thermal lance. Lilbow starting a twilight council and getting 4 more gateways.
10:00 VortiX 104 vs Lilbow 96 Lilbow producing void rays. Vortix researching pathogen glands and getting +1/1. Roach speed finishing up. Phoenixes still moving around.
11:00 VortiX 140 vs Lilbow 124 +2 attack for Lilbow. Vortix getting a 4th base and a hive. 7 infestors finishing up, phoenixes sacrifice two of themselves to kill one.
12:00 VortiX 161 vs Lilbow 142 Blink for Lilbow. Vortix starting a spire. Phoenixes are all killed off by queens. +2/2 for Vortix. Vortix has a bunch of queens with his infestors.
13:00 VortiX 173 vs Lilbow 181 Vortix getting adrenal glands and an ultralisk cavern. Vortix moving a bunch of zerglings into the third base but not killing that many workers. Lilbow moving out.
14:00 VortiX 175 vs Lilbow 177 Force fields, and despite a good fungal, Lilbo moving in.
15:00 VortiX 172 vs Lilbow 151 Lilbow losing colossi to corrupters but one survives. 4 ultralisks in production. Lilbow lost the mothership core but kills the 4th. Drones moving around.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Lilbow spawns in the top right
2:00 Vortix going hatchery first. Lilbow going nexus first. Vortix following up with a gas before pool. Gateway in Lilbow's main base, followed by an assimilator.
3:00 Second assimilator for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core and a zealot.
4:00 Zergling speed for Vortix Lilbow researching warpgate and getting a mothership core. Third queen for Vortix.
5:00 Vortix scouts the natural but is droning up. Lilbow mostly walling with a stargate and a gateway. Third base for Vortix.
6:00 VortiX 52 vs Lilbow 45 Vortix moving out with a couple of zerglings. Phoenix in production for Lilbow. Vortix scouts the stargate.
7:00 VortiX 55 vs Lilbow 55 Vortix getting two spore crawlers. Another gateway for Lilbow. Forge and robotics facility next to the gateway. Second overlord from Vortix dies.
8:00 VortiX 62 vs Lilbow 70 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix getting a roach warren. 10 drones in production. Lilbow cutting phoenix production at four. Robotics bay for Lilbow, and +1 ground attack. Lilbow getting a third base.
9:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 82 Lilbow kills a queen in the main. Two evolution chambers and an infestation pit for Vortix. Lilbow getting extended thermal lance. Lilbow starting a twilight council and getting 4 more gateways.
10:00 VortiX 104 vs Lilbow 96 Lilbow producing void rays. Vortix researching pathogen glands and getting +1/1. Roach speed finishing up. Phoenixes still moving around.
11:00 VortiX 140 vs Lilbow 124 +2 attack for Lilbow. Vortix getting a 4th base and a hive. 7 infestors finishing up, phoenixes sacrifice two of themselves to kill one.
12:00 VortiX 161 vs Lilbow 142 Blink for Lilbow. Vortix starting a spire. Phoenixes are all killed off by queens. +2/2 for Vortix. Vortix has a bunch of queens with his infestors.
13:00 VortiX 173 vs Lilbow 181 Vortix getting adrenal glands and an ultralisk cavern. Vortix moving a bunch of zerglings into the third base but not killing that many workers. Lilbow moving out.
14:00 VortiX 175 vs Lilbow 177 Force fields, and despite a good fungal, Lilbo moving in.
15:00 VortiX 172 vs Lilbow 151 Lilbow losing colossi to corrupters but one survives. 4 ultralisks in production. Lilbow lost the mothership core but kills the 4th. Drones moving around.
16:00 VortiX 192vs Lilbow 177 Two ultralisks die but the colossus dies and Lilbow blinks out. Ultralisk armor on the way.
17:00 VortiX 173 vs Lilbow 131 Greater spire on the way. Stalkers blink to the side and kill the infestors. Queens moving out with the army off creep.
18:00 VortiX 167 vs Lilbow 127 Lilbow trying to kite the ultralisks. Two more robotics facilities and immortal production. Lilbow spreading his army.
19:00 VortiX 189 vs Lilbow 137 3 corrupters on the way. Lilbow getting a templar archives. Vortix going for a 2 pronged attack. Lilbow is perfectly prepared. Vortix losing a lot but nearly breaks through.
20:00 VortiX 134 vs Lilbow 103 Vortix losing all his queens in the battle. 4 brood lords on the way. Vortix trying to take a 5th in the same place as Lilbow's 4th, which starts. 3/3 nearly finished.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Lilbow spawns in the top right
2:00 Vortix going hatchery first. Lilbow going nexus first. Vortix following up with a gas before pool. Gateway in Lilbow's main base, followed by an assimilator.
3:00 Second assimilator for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core and a zealot.
4:00 Zergling speed for Vortix Lilbow researching warpgate and getting a mothership core. Third queen for Vortix.
5:00 Vortix scouts the natural but is droning up. Lilbow mostly walling with a stargate and a gateway. Third base for Vortix.
6:00 VortiX 52 vs Lilbow 45 Vortix moving out with a couple of zerglings. Phoenix in production for Lilbow. Vortix scouts the stargate.
7:00 VortiX 55 vs Lilbow 55 Vortix getting two spore crawlers. Another gateway for Lilbow. Forge and robotics facility next to the gateway. Second overlord from Vortix dies.
8:00 VortiX 62 vs Lilbow 70 Vortix getting a lair. Vortix getting a roach warren. 10 drones in production. Lilbow cutting phoenix production at four. Robotics bay for Lilbow, and +1 ground attack. Lilbow getting a third base.
9:00 VortiX 80 vs Lilbow 82 Lilbow kills a queen in the main. Two evolution chambers and an infestation pit for Vortix. Lilbow getting extended thermal lance. Lilbow starting a twilight council and getting 4 more gateways.
10:00 VortiX 104 vs Lilbow 96 Lilbow producing void rays. Vortix researching pathogen glands and getting +1/1. Roach speed finishing up. Phoenixes still moving around.
11:00 VortiX 140 vs Lilbow 124 +2 attack for Lilbow. Vortix getting a 4th base and a hive. 7 infestors finishing up, phoenixes sacrifice two of themselves to kill one.
12:00 VortiX 161 vs Lilbow 142 Blink for Lilbow. Vortix starting a spire. Phoenixes are all killed off by queens. +2/2 for Vortix. Vortix has a bunch of queens with his infestors.
13:00 VortiX 173 vs Lilbow 181 Vortix getting adrenal glands and an ultralisk cavern. Vortix moving a bunch of zerglings into the third base but not killing that many workers. Lilbow moving out.
14:00 VortiX 175 vs Lilbow 177 Force fields, and despite a good fungal, Lilbo moving in.
15:00 VortiX 172 vs Lilbow 151 Lilbow losing colossi to corrupters but one survives. 4 ultralisks in production. Lilbow lost the mothership core but kills the 4th. Drones moving around.
16:00 VortiX 192vs Lilbow 177 Two ultralisks die but the colossus dies and Lilbow blinks out. Ultralisk armor on the way.
17:00 VortiX 173 vs Lilbow 131 Greater spire on the way. Stalkers blink to the side and kill the infestors. Queens moving out with the army off creep.
18:00 VortiX 167 vs Lilbow 127 Lilbow trying to kite the ultralisks. Two more robotics facilities and immortal production. Lilbow spreading his army.
19:00 VortiX 189 vs Lilbow 137 3 corrupters on the way. Lilbow getting a templar archives. Vortix going for a 2 pronged attack. Lilbow is perfectly prepared. Vortix losing a lot but nearly breaks through.
20:00 VortiX 134 vs Lilbow 103 Vortix losing all his queens in the battle. 4 brood lords on the way. Vortix trying to take a 5th in the same place as Lilbow's 4th, which starts. 3/3 nearly finished.
21:00 VortiX 177 vs Lilbow 123 Vortix moving up the right side of the map. Broodlings kill an archon and force a cancel on the 4th base.
22:00 VortiX 184 vs Lilbow 132 Lilbow moving down the center of the map. 7 more corrupters. Another startgate and a fleet beacon for Lilbow. Tons of zerglings and ultralisks trying to capture the army.
23:00 VortiX 182 vs Lilbow 138 Fungals land on the army and ultralisks kill off everything. Lilbow GG's! Vortix ties it up 1-1!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 23 2014 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: That's what MSC means for Protoss in HotS. - Use timewarps and other stuff? Be ahead forever. - Don't use it? Be behind forever.
On February 23 2014 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: That's what MSC means for Protoss in HotS. - Use timewarps and other stuff? Be ahead forever. - Don't use it? Be behind forever.
On February 23 2014 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: That's what MSC means for Protoss in HotS. - Use timewarps and other stuff? Be ahead forever. - Don't use it? Be behind forever.
And nothing average.
Even without MSC he was ahead after the first push. He could have killed the hatch and went back home. But he decided to go all the way to the natural and Vortix 2-2 finished and ultras popped out.
So MSC wouldn't make any difference at that time except he could probably recall without losing units but if player is good enough to know when he is overextending (and someone who is in WCS premier should) it really isn't an issue anyway.
On February 23 2014 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: That's what MSC means for Protoss in HotS. - Use timewarps and other stuff? Be ahead forever. - Don't use it? Be behind forever.
And nothing average.
Even without MSC he was ahead after the first push. He could have killed the hatch and went back home. But he decided to go all the way to the natural and Vortix 2-2 finished and ultras popped out.
So MSC wouldn't make any difference at that time except he could probably recall without losing units but if player is good enough to know when he is overextending (and someone who is in WCS premier should) it really isn't an issue anyway.
He could end game right there if he did use timewarps. Like it usually happen in those situations when Zerg is transitioning in middle of the fight.
VortiX spawns in the bottom Lilbow spawns in the top
2:00 Gateway followed by two assimilators. Vortix going spawning pool first. Pylon block on Vortix's natural. Pylon completes. Cybernetics core for Lilbow.
3:00 Four zerglings going to kill the pylon. Two pylons at the natural of Lilbow already. Stalker in production. Vortix expanding.
4:00 Mothership core finishing and moving out. Four zerglings pressuring but Lilbow forces it away and goes for his own pressure. Lilbow expanding as well, already kills an overlord.
5:00 Second stalker moving out. Sentry for Lilbow. Vortix pumping drones, has a spine crawler in his natural. Stalkers fail to get into the main. Robotics facility for Lilbow.
On February 23 2014 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: That's what MSC means for Protoss in HotS. - Use timewarps and other stuff? Be ahead forever. - Don't use it? Be behind forever.
And nothing average.
Even without MSC he was ahead after the first push. He could have killed the hatch and went back home. But he decided to go all the way to the natural and Vortix 2-2 finished and ultras popped out.
So MSC wouldn't make any difference at that time except he could probably recall without losing units but if player is good enough to know when he is overextending (and someone who is in WCS premier should) it really isn't an issue anyway.
He could end game right there if he did use timewarps. Like it usually happen in those situations when Zerg is transitioning in middle of the fight.
I dont know much about PvZ but I think that even with time warps, the best he could do is kill that hatch. But Vortix hive tech was close enough so I dont think Lilbow would win straight up with time warps.
VortiX spawns in the bottom Lilbow spawns in the top
2:00 Gateway followed by two assimilators. Vortix going spawning pool first. Pylon block on Vortix's natural. Pylon completes. Cybernetics core for Lilbow.
3:00 Four zerglings going to kill the pylon. Two pylons at the natural of Lilbow already. Stalker in production. Vortix expanding.
4:00 Mothership core finishing and moving out. Four zerglings pressuring but Lilbow forces it away and goes for his own pressure. Lilbow expanding as well, already kills an overlord.
5:00 Second stalker moving out. Sentry for Lilbow. Vortix pumping drones, has a spine crawler in his natural. Stalkers fail to get into the main. Robotics facility for Lilbow.
6:00 VortiX 44 vs Lilbow 39 Roach Warren, lair, and an evolution chamber for Vortix. A second gateway on the way for Lilbow. Overlord suicide in Lilbow's main.
7:00 VortiX 51 vs Lilbow 49 Immortal production, as well as sentries. +1 ranged attack for Vortix. Vortix gets roach speed. A third assimilator on the way for Lilbow.
8:00 VortiX 60 vs Lilbow 65 Lilbow going up to 5 gateways. Vortix getting his third base. Lilbow now going up to seven gateways. Brb someone is dropping off a package.
9:00 VortiX 91 vs Lilbow 78 Vortix moving to the far left with roaches. Burrow and tunnelling claws for Vortix.
10:00 VortiX 109 vs Lilbow 82 Vorix moves into the natural and forces a recall, only loses a few roaches. 13 more roaches on the way.
VortiX spawns in the bottom Lilbow spawns in the top
2:00 Gateway followed by two assimilators. Vortix going spawning pool first. Pylon block on Vortix's natural. Pylon completes. Cybernetics core for Lilbow.
3:00 Four zerglings going to kill the pylon. Two pylons at the natural of Lilbow already. Stalker in production. Vortix expanding.
4:00 Mothership core finishing and moving out. Four zerglings pressuring but Lilbow forces it away and goes for his own pressure. Lilbow expanding as well, already kills an overlord.
5:00 Second stalker moving out. Sentry for Lilbow. Vortix pumping drones, has a spine crawler in his natural. Stalkers fail to get into the main. Robotics facility for Lilbow.
6:00 VortiX 44 vs Lilbow 39 Roach Warren, lair, and an evolution chamber for Vortix. A second gateway on the way for Lilbow. Overlord suicide in Lilbow's main.
7:00 VortiX 51 vs Lilbow 49 Immortal production, as well as sentries. +1 ranged attack for Vortix. Vortix gets roach speed. A third assimilator on the way for Lilbow.
8:00 VortiX 60 vs Lilbow 65 Lilbow going up to 5 gateways. Vortix getting his third base. Lilbow now going up to seven gateways. Brb someone is dropping off a package.
9:00 VortiX 91 vs Lilbow 78 Vortix moving to the far left with roaches. Burrow and tunnelling claws for Vortix.
10:00 VortiX 109 vs Lilbow 82 Vorix moves into the natural and forces a recall, only loses a few roaches. 13 more roaches on the way.
11:00 VortiX 123 vs Lilbow 86 Lilbow moving towards the third base again with lots of units. Vortix going for a counter attack. Tons of overlords dying to stalkers. Vortix pulling drones.
12:00 VortiX 107 vs Lilbow 65 Lilbow lost all his probes. Four full energy sentries were left behind. Lilbow loses the main nexus.
13:00 VortiX 57 vs Lilbow 44 Vortix still has three hatcheries. No nexus for Lilbow. Lilbow GG's! Vortix wins 2-1!
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ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
- ForGG is at ~ 54.29 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 66.66 % of the time ForGG wins and their chances go up to ~ 81.23 %. ~ 33.34 % of the time ForGG loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.46 %. ------------------------------------------------- - VortiX is at ~ 12.67 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 67.56 % of the time VortiX wins and their chances go up to ~ 18.75 %. ~ 32.44 % of the time VortiX loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - BabyKnight is at ~ 2.06 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 36.98 % of the time BabyKnight wins and their chances go up to ~ 5.58 %. ~ 63.02 % of the time BabyKnight loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Lilbow is at ~ 0.88 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 28.81 % of the time Lilbow wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.06 %. ~ 71.19 % of the time Lilbow loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %.
ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
6:00 BabyKnight 36 vs ForGG 32 Reaper going into the main again. Phoenix on the way. ForGG getting a factory. Probe still hasn't found ForGG but knows where he is. Stim for ForGG.
7:00 BabyKnight 51 vs ForGG 43 Starport on the way for ForGG. ForGG getting a widow mine. Proxy pylon for Babyknight
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs ForGG 51 Robotics facility for Babyknight. ForGG getting +1 armor. A medivac is on the way. Babyknight still hasn't revealed his phoenixes. Babyknight getting a forge.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 Observers lagging again. Combat shields for ForGG. Game is paused. Armory is about to be started. Scan saw the whole main base of Babyknight. A break is taken. The game is still paused while they wait for the technical issues to stop.
On February 23 2014 03:19 ssxsilver wrote: Can't they just hop onto another language's stream? The ESL studio has been lagging worst than usual for a few days.
I don't understand how this happens so often. Is it because they all use Skype for communication? Because I heard it is very easy to obtain IP address from Skype..
On February 23 2014 03:22 arkedos wrote: DDoSing sucks so hard... thats not even real hacking :/
Geez wtf. I never hear about dota or LoL streams getting DDosed but it seems to happen all the time to SC2. Such bad luck.
then you were not following LoL and DotA get DDosed quite often. Especially the login servers of LoL.
At least it's not same kid who ddosed EG for 3 weeks :D Guess, they're not having fun with DotA now because almost no tournies are alive and LoL is boring. Time to ddos WCS, i get this logic.
On February 23 2014 03:40 Wertheron wrote: Hackers DDoSed DH CSGO yesterday.
Calling whoever pulls this shit "hackers" is giving them infinitely more credit than they deserve. Bunch of pathetic script kiddies and nothing more...
ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
6:00 BabyKnight 36 vs ForGG 32 Reaper going into the main again. Phoenix on the way. ForGG getting a factory. Probe still hasn't found ForGG but knows where he is. Stim for ForGG.
7:00 BabyKnight 51 vs ForGG 43 Starport on the way for ForGG. ForGG getting a widow mine. Proxy pylon for Babyknight
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs ForGG 51 Robotics facility for Babyknight. ForGG getting +1 armor. A medivac is on the way. Babyknight still hasn't revealed his phoenixes. Babyknight getting a forge.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 Observers lagging again. Combat shields for ForGG. Game is paused. Armory is about to be started. Scan saw the whole main base of Babyknight. A break is taken. The game is still paused while they wait for the technical issues to stop.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 See above. Drop flies right into phoenixes. I guess ForGG forgot? +1 ground attack on the way for BabyKnight. Third nexus for BabyKnight.
10:00 Phoenixes killing a few SCVs. BabyKnight stil producing phoenixes. Drop barely gets past an observer.
11:00 BabyKnight 95 vs ForGG 91 ForGG cancels the third base. +2 attack and concussive shells for ForGG. BabyKnight has a colossus and can secure the third. Still, BabyKnight is producing phoenixes.
12:00 BabyKnight 107 vs ForGG 104 A second starport on the way. Phoenixes moving towards the main base. BabyKnight getting a twilight council.
13:00 BabyKnight 127 vs ForGG 122 Templar archives starts construction. Babyknight researching charge. ForGG moving out with just 4 vikings, BabyKnight sees it.
14:00 BabyKnight 145 vs ForGG 144 +2 finishing up for ForGG. Third is cancelled but all the vikings are lost. Two more gateways for BabyKnight, who's retaking his third.
15:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 164 Storm on the way. Scouting factory is killed. No air transition for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out and has about 8 vikings. BabyKnight moving towards the third base with phoenixes.
Phoenix - colossus was strong when protoss first started doing it.. But now it just doesn't work anymore... I dont know why not get for a way powerful chargelot-archon-templar-colossus etc. army. That is a nightmare to deal with
ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
6:00 BabyKnight 36 vs ForGG 32 Reaper going into the main again. Phoenix on the way. ForGG getting a factory. Probe still hasn't found ForGG but knows where he is. Stim for ForGG.
7:00 BabyKnight 51 vs ForGG 43 Starport on the way for ForGG. ForGG getting a widow mine. Proxy pylon for Babyknight
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs ForGG 51 Robotics facility for Babyknight. ForGG getting +1 armor. A medivac is on the way. Babyknight still hasn't revealed his phoenixes. Babyknight getting a forge.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 Observers lagging again. Combat shields for ForGG. Game is paused. Armory is about to be started. Scan saw the whole main base of Babyknight. A break is taken. The game is still paused while they wait for the technical issues to stop.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 See above. Drop flies right into phoenixes. I guess ForGG forgot? +1 ground attack on the way for BabyKnight. Third nexus for BabyKnight.
10:00 Phoenixes killing a few SCVs. BabyKnight stil producing phoenixes. Drop barely gets past an observer.
11:00 BabyKnight 95 vs ForGG 91 ForGG cancels the third base. +2 attack and concussive shells for ForGG. BabyKnight has a colossus and can secure the third. Still, BabyKnight is producing phoenixes.
12:00 BabyKnight 107 vs ForGG 104 A second starport on the way. Phoenixes moving towards the main base. BabyKnight getting a twilight council.
13:00 BabyKnight 127 vs ForGG 122 Templar archives starts construction. Babyknight researching charge. ForGG moving out with just 4 vikings, BabyKnight sees it.
14:00 BabyKnight 145 vs ForGG 144 +2 finishing up for ForGG. Third is cancelled but all the vikings are lost. Two more gateways for BabyKnight, who's retaking his third.
15:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 164 Storm on the way. Scouting factory is killed. No air transition for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out and has about 8 vikings. BabyKnight moving towards the third base with phoenixes.
16:00 BabyKnight 185 vs ForGG 200 ForGG gets all but one of the colossi almost instantly and a good concave against the zealots. All the vikings die and there are still 7 phoenixes. Blink being researched. Vikings dying to phoenixes. ForGG kills the third nexus.
17:30 BabyKnight 119 vs ForGG 137 Phoenixes lifting marauders but ForGG manages to finish off new colossi. More vikings arrive. All the bio is at really low HP.
18:30 BabyKnight 94 vs ForGG 121 ForGG cancels the third again. More bio and viking reinforcements. ForGG backs off.
19:00 BabyKnight 108 vs ForGG 125 BabyKnight finally gets to retake his third base. Fourth CC for ForGG. BabyKnight getting HTs and immortals. ForGG stopped viking production at 12.
20:00 BabyKnight 132 vs ForGG 157 +3 vehicle weapons on the way for ForGG. Three barracks finishing up as ForGG pushes out. Third base for BabyKnight about to finish. ForGG moving into the third. Storms on the vikings but they kill all the colossi.
ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
6:00 BabyKnight 36 vs ForGG 32 Reaper going into the main again. Phoenix on the way. ForGG getting a factory. Probe still hasn't found ForGG but knows where he is. Stim for ForGG.
7:00 BabyKnight 51 vs ForGG 43 Starport on the way for ForGG. ForGG getting a widow mine. Proxy pylon for Babyknight
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs ForGG 51 Robotics facility for Babyknight. ForGG getting +1 armor. A medivac is on the way. Babyknight still hasn't revealed his phoenixes. Babyknight getting a forge.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 Observers lagging again. Combat shields for ForGG. Game is paused. Armory is about to be started. Scan saw the whole main base of Babyknight. A break is taken. The game is still paused while they wait for the technical issues to stop.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 See above. Drop flies right into phoenixes. I guess ForGG forgot? +1 ground attack on the way for BabyKnight. Third nexus for BabyKnight.
10:00 Phoenixes killing a few SCVs. BabyKnight stil producing phoenixes. Drop barely gets past an observer.
11:00 BabyKnight 95 vs ForGG 91 ForGG cancels the third base. +2 attack and concussive shells for ForGG. BabyKnight has a colossus and can secure the third. Still, BabyKnight is producing phoenixes.
12:00 BabyKnight 107 vs ForGG 104 A second starport on the way. Phoenixes moving towards the main base. BabyKnight getting a twilight council.
13:00 BabyKnight 127 vs ForGG 122 Templar archives starts construction. Babyknight researching charge. ForGG moving out with just 4 vikings, BabyKnight sees it.
14:00 BabyKnight 145 vs ForGG 144 +2 finishing up for ForGG. Third is cancelled but all the vikings are lost. Two more gateways for BabyKnight, who's retaking his third.
15:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 164 Storm on the way. Scouting factory is killed. No air transition for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out and has about 8 vikings. BabyKnight moving towards the third base with phoenixes.
16:00 BabyKnight 185 vs ForGG 200 ForGG gets all but one of the colossi almost instantly and a good concave against the zealots. All the vikings die and there are still 7 phoenixes. Blink being researched. Vikings dying to phoenixes. ForGG kills the third nexus.
17:30 BabyKnight 119 vs ForGG 137 Phoenixes lifting marauders but ForGG manages to finish off new colossi. More vikings arrive. All the bio is at really low HP.
18:30 BabyKnight 94 vs ForGG 121 ForGG cancels the third again. More bio and viking reinforcements. ForGG backs off.
19:00 BabyKnight 108 vs ForGG 125 BabyKnight finally gets to retake his third base. Fourth CC for ForGG. BabyKnight getting HTs and immortals. ForGG stopped viking production at 12.
20:00 BabyKnight 132 vs ForGG 157 +3 vehicle weapons on the way for ForGG. Three barracks finishing up as ForGG pushes out. Third base for BabyKnight about to finish. ForGG moving into the third. Storms on the vikings but they kill all the colossi.
21:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 178 Tons of bio loading into the medivacs and being dropped into the natural. BabyKnight accidently suicides a bunch of HTs into bio. The natural of BabyKnight is dead. BabyKnight G's! ForGG takes a 1-0 lead!
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On February 23 2014 03:54 Morbidius wrote: I have never seen someone get legitimately ahead with phoenixes in PvT. The few times they win they could have done so easier without the phoenixes.
Having a few of them to defend drops is good so if you open stargate you could go for them anyway but I don't like them at all as a part of general army composition at all.
I mean, great for Forgg and me as a viewer but that style is just inferior to other options protoss has.
On February 23 2014 03:54 Morbidius wrote: I have never seen someone get legitimately ahead with phoenixes in PvT. The few times they win they could have done so easier without the phoenixes.
iG's Jim uses lots of phoenix PvT, he'd be worth checking out for successful phoenixes in PvT
ForGG spawns in the bottom Babyknight spawns in the top
2:00 Gateway first for BabyKnight. ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. A single assimilator on the way for BabyKnight.
3:00 Cybernetics core on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a second assimilator. ForGG getting a reactor on his barracks. ForGG getting two reapers. Stalker being chronoboosted. ForGG expanding.
4:00 BabyKnight getting a twilight council. ForGG starts a factory. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG's reapers scout everything.
5:00 Blink being researched. Widow mine on the way. Mothership core finishes.
ForGG spawns in the top right Babyknight spawns in the bottom right
2:00 ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. Babyknight getting a gateway followed by a single assimilator. ForGG getting a reaper.
3:00 Babyknight getting a zealot and a cybernetics core. SCV scouting as the reaper finishes. CC in ForGG's inbase natural expansion. Reactor on the barracks. Mothership core for BabyKnight. A scouting probe is killed. Engineering bay for ForGG.
4:00 Fast factory for ForGG. ForGG getting +1 attack.
5:00 Mothership core moving out. Probe moving towards the bottom left base. Babyknight getting a stargate. ForGG adding on two more barracks.
6:00 BabyKnight 36 vs ForGG 32 Reaper going into the main again. Phoenix on the way. ForGG getting a factory. Probe still hasn't found ForGG but knows where he is. Stim for ForGG.
7:00 BabyKnight 51 vs ForGG 43 Starport on the way for ForGG. ForGG getting a widow mine. Proxy pylon for Babyknight
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs ForGG 51 Robotics facility for Babyknight. ForGG getting +1 armor. A medivac is on the way. Babyknight still hasn't revealed his phoenixes. Babyknight getting a forge.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 Observers lagging again. Combat shields for ForGG. Game is paused. Armory is about to be started. Scan saw the whole main base of Babyknight. A break is taken. The game is still paused while they wait for the technical issues to stop.
9:00 BabyKnight 65 vs ForGG 64 See above. Drop flies right into phoenixes. I guess ForGG forgot? +1 ground attack on the way for BabyKnight. Third nexus for BabyKnight.
10:00 Phoenixes killing a few SCVs. BabyKnight stil producing phoenixes. Drop barely gets past an observer.
11:00 BabyKnight 95 vs ForGG 91 ForGG cancels the third base. +2 attack and concussive shells for ForGG. BabyKnight has a colossus and can secure the third. Still, BabyKnight is producing phoenixes.
12:00 BabyKnight 107 vs ForGG 104 A second starport on the way. Phoenixes moving towards the main base. BabyKnight getting a twilight council.
13:00 BabyKnight 127 vs ForGG 122 Templar archives starts construction. Babyknight researching charge. ForGG moving out with just 4 vikings, BabyKnight sees it.
14:00 BabyKnight 145 vs ForGG 144 +2 finishing up for ForGG. Third is cancelled but all the vikings are lost. Two more gateways for BabyKnight, who's retaking his third.
15:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 164 Storm on the way. Scouting factory is killed. No air transition for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out and has about 8 vikings. BabyKnight moving towards the third base with phoenixes.
16:00 BabyKnight 185 vs ForGG 200 ForGG gets all but one of the colossi almost instantly and a good concave against the zealots. All the vikings die and there are still 7 phoenixes. Blink being researched. Vikings dying to phoenixes. ForGG kills the third nexus.
17:30 BabyKnight 119 vs ForGG 137 Phoenixes lifting marauders but ForGG manages to finish off new colossi. More vikings arrive. All the bio is at really low HP.
18:30 BabyKnight 94 vs ForGG 121 ForGG cancels the third again. More bio and viking reinforcements. ForGG backs off.
19:00 BabyKnight 108 vs ForGG 125 BabyKnight finally gets to retake his third base. Fourth CC for ForGG. BabyKnight getting HTs and immortals. ForGG stopped viking production at 12.
20:00 BabyKnight 132 vs ForGG 157 +3 vehicle weapons on the way for ForGG. Three barracks finishing up as ForGG pushes out. Third base for BabyKnight about to finish. ForGG moving into the third. Storms on the vikings but they kill all the colossi.
21:00 BabyKnight 151 vs ForGG 178 Tons of bio loading into the medivacs and being dropped into the natural. BabyKnight accidently suicides a bunch of HTs into bio. The natural of BabyKnight is dead. BabyKnight G's! ForGG takes a 1-0 lead!
Great LR man, the supply with the icon is a really nice touch
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
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Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
ForGG spawns in the bottom Babyknight spawns in the top
2:00 Gateway first for BabyKnight. ForGG going barracks followed by a refinery. A single assimilator on the way for BabyKnight.
3:00 Cybernetics core on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a second assimilator. ForGG getting a reactor on his barracks. ForGG getting two reapers. Stalker being chronoboosted. ForGG expanding.
4:00 BabyKnight getting a twilight council. ForGG starts a factory. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG's reapers scout everything.
5:00 Blink being researched. Widow mine on the way. Mothership core finishes.
6:00 BabyKnight 33 vs ForGG 35 One of the observers lags. A widow mine burrows in the main of ForGG. Three stalkers warping in in BabyKnight's base.
7:00 BabyKnight 39 vs ForGG 35 The game is paused. Game is unpaused after ~15 seconds. ForGG getting a tank. BabyKnight expanding. Bunker on the edge of ForGG's main base. Widow mine kills one stalker. Supply depot and refinery getting picked off.
8:00 BabyKnight 50 vs ForGG 46 There's a second tank. BabyKnight blinks out. BabyKnight getting probes agin. Blink into the main nearly kills a tank.
9:00 BabyKnight 52 vs ForGG 54 Robotics facility for BabyKnight. Blink into the left side of the main base. Two tanks repositioning, but stalkers picked them off. Marines go through the center of the map but are found.
11:00 BabyKnight 69 vs ForGG 51 ForGG attempting to push. BabyKnight blinks onto the rest of the tanks. ForGG GG's! BabyKnight ties it up 1-1!
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On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
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Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Please fix the maps blizz, those games are garbage.
Yup, I can't believe teams/players allowed this map pool to go through honestly for tournament play. A bunch of the maps have/had horrible design flaws.
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
ForGG spawns in the top left Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a gateway followed by an assimilator. Reaper for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Nexus for BabyKnight at the same time ForGG expands. Reaper goes towards BabyKnight's base and kills a scouting probe. ForGG getting an engineering bay.
4:00 BabyKnight just producing probes. +1 attack for ForGG. Reaper gets back into the main of BabyKnight.
5:00 ForGG getting two more barracks. Bunker at ForGG's natural. BabyKnight going for mothership core stalker pressure.
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
ForGG spawns in the top left Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a gateway followed by an assimilator. Reaper for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Nexus for BabyKnight at the same time ForGG expands. Reaper goes towards BabyKnight's base and kills a scouting probe. ForGG getting an engineering bay.
4:00 BabyKnight just producing probes. +1 attack for ForGG. Reaper gets back into the main of BabyKnight.
5:00 ForGG getting two more barracks. Bunker at ForGG's natural. BabyKnight going for mothership core stalker pressure.
6:30 BabyKnight 42 vs ForGG 37 Robotics facility and two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG holds the pressure, nearly killing the mothership core. BabyKnight going back in but doesn't get anything done.
7:00 BabyKnight 45 vs ForGG 43 Stim for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a twilight council and a forge. Factory for ForGG ForGG getting +1 armor. ForGG constructing a starport.
8:00 BabyKnight 60 vs ForGG 49 BabyKnight getting blink and +1 attack. Combat shields being researched. BabyKnight getting a robotics bay. Observer in ForGG's main.
9:15 BabyKnight 80 vs ForGG 73 Two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out with a bunch of marines. ForGG half finished with an armory.
10:00 BabyKnight 88 vs ForGG 88 Two medivacs join the marines. Stim is finished. FFs and overcharge kill three marines. Blink forwards kill the medivacs. BabyKnight charging forwards
On February 23 2014 04:02 sage_francis wrote: Ok thx. i thought they had to say "gg". Maybe its a PL rule...
i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
On February 23 2014 04:04 Paljas wrote: [quote] i think that even kespa isnt that stupid anymore to fine someome for a missing letter
You are wrong. ^^
? i thought they got rid of these rules
On July 01 2013 11:49 lichter wrote: Here we discuss players currently in Kespa Jail
According to Dodgin:
- everyone who matchfixed - that guy who beat his wife - turn - the real stork
According to Shellbot:
as well as Whiplash for making fat jokes, JYP for this tweet, and now Stats, Dear, and soO for placing lower than a foreigner at MLG
Other players formerly in Kespa Jail include Stephano who was released from Kespa Jail because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
Surprisingly SNM has never been in Kespa Jail
Pictures of their Secret Kespa Jail Facilities:
Picture of matchfixer, wife beater, and the real stork still in Kespa Jail:
Stephano in Kespa jail:
Artists rendition of Kespa Jail:
I heard in Kespa Jail they make you play SC2 on slowest speed level. They also give you a keyboard without the shift and alt keys.
FREE THE REAL STORK
---
Extended list of people who used to be in Kespa jail (from liquipedia article)
- BackHo for typing "ZiZi YO" even though he was winning and his opponent had not gg'd - Nal_Ra, Doksa, go.go, Hogil, 815 for no ppp - Odin for computer malfunction - ForGG using a secret illegal SCV bug - Ruby for "ww" instead of "gg" - Tempest for "ggyo" instead of "gg" - Leta for "pp" instead of "ppp" - Luxury for "gfg" instead of "gg" - GoRush for "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg" - GoRush for typing "a" - Sair for "ㅈㅈ" instead of "gg"
ForGG spawns in the top left Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a gateway followed by an assimilator. Reaper for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Nexus for BabyKnight at the same time ForGG expands. Reaper goes towards BabyKnight's base and kills a scouting probe. ForGG getting an engineering bay.
4:00 BabyKnight just producing probes. +1 attack for ForGG. Reaper gets back into the main of BabyKnight.
5:00 ForGG getting two more barracks. Bunker at ForGG's natural. BabyKnight going for mothership core stalker pressure.
6:30 BabyKnight 42 vs ForGG 37 Robotics facility and two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG holds the pressure, nearly killing the mothership core. BabyKnight going back in but doesn't get anything done.
7:00 BabyKnight 45 vs ForGG 43 Stim for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a twilight council and a forge. Factory for ForGG ForGG getting +1 armor. ForGG constructing a starport.
8:00 BabyKnight 60 vs ForGG 49 BabyKnight getting blink and +1 attack. Combat shields being researched. BabyKnight getting a robotics bay. Observer in ForGG's main.
9:15 BabyKnight 80 vs ForGG 73 Two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out with a bunch of marines. ForGG half finished with an armory.
10:00 BabyKnight 88 vs ForGG 88 Two medivacs join the marines. Stim is finished. FFs and overcharge kill three marines. Blink forwards kill the medivacs. BabyKnight charging forwards
11:00 BabyKnight 104 vs ForGG 94 Scouting factory starts burning down. Charge and colossus range. Both players getting a third Nexus/CC.
12:00 BabyKnight 110 vs ForGG 104 ForGG trying to be aggressive again. A few units from both sides die. BabyKnight getting 4 more gateways. An observer follows the army of ForGG.
13:00 BabyKnight 128 vs ForGG 118 ForGG finally scans the observer. BabyKnight finishing charge. +2 attack for ForGG. ForGG goes into the third but it's defended.
14:00 BabyKnight 133 vs ForGG 134 Viking production starts for ForGG. Templar archives on the way. BabyKnight getting +3/2. ForGG starting +3 attack.
15:00 BabyKnight 150 vs ForGG 146 ForGG trying another attack but there aren't enough vikings and BabyKnight has 4 colossi. Stalkers picking off retreating bio. ForGG gets back to his third base.
ForGG spawns in the top left Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a gateway followed by an assimilator. Reaper for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Nexus for BabyKnight at the same time ForGG expands. Reaper goes towards BabyKnight's base and kills a scouting probe. ForGG getting an engineering bay.
4:00 BabyKnight just producing probes. +1 attack for ForGG. Reaper gets back into the main of BabyKnight.
5:00 ForGG getting two more barracks. Bunker at ForGG's natural. BabyKnight going for mothership core stalker pressure.
6:30 BabyKnight 42 vs ForGG 37 Robotics facility and two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG holds the pressure, nearly killing the mothership core. BabyKnight going back in but doesn't get anything done.
7:00 BabyKnight 45 vs ForGG 43 Stim for ForGG. BabyKnight getting a twilight council and a forge. Factory for ForGG ForGG getting +1 armor. ForGG constructing a starport.
8:00 BabyKnight 60 vs ForGG 49 BabyKnight getting blink and +1 attack. Combat shields being researched. BabyKnight getting a robotics bay. Observer in ForGG's main.
9:15 BabyKnight 80 vs ForGG 73 Two more gateways for BabyKnight. ForGG moving out with a bunch of marines. ForGG half finished with an armory.
10:00 BabyKnight 88 vs ForGG 88 Two medivacs join the marines. Stim is finished. FFs and overcharge kill three marines. Blink forwards kill the medivacs. BabyKnight charging forwards
11:00 BabyKnight 104 vs ForGG 94 Scouting factory starts burning down. Charge and colossus range. Both players getting a third Nexus/CC.
12:00 BabyKnight 110 vs ForGG 104 ForGG trying to be aggressive again. A few units from both sides die. BabyKnight getting 4 more gateways. An observer follows the army of ForGG.
13:00 BabyKnight 128 vs ForGG 118 ForGG finally scans the observer. BabyKnight finishing charge. +2 attack for ForGG. ForGG goes into the third but it's defended.
14:00 BabyKnight 133 vs ForGG 134 Viking production starts for ForGG. Templar archives on the way. BabyKnight getting +3/2. ForGG starting +3 attack.
15:00 BabyKnight 150 vs ForGG 146 ForGG trying another attack but there aren't enough vikings and BabyKnight has 4 colossi. Stalkers picking off retreating bio. ForGG gets back to his third base.
16:00 BabyKnight 157 vs ForGG 131 HTs warping in offensively for archons. BabyKnight attacking as 2/2 finishes. Blink picks off another viking
17:00 BabyKnight 173 vs ForGG 131 BabyKnight moves in, picking off another viking. ForGG GG's! BabyKnight wins 2-1!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Ok, something's wrong with ForGG today. He lost at least 2 vikings simply because he had them rallied in such way that they flew into BabyKnight's army and got shot before he could control them. I mean, that's a silly little mistake, but still at ForGG's level things like this shouldn't happen, should they?
Stream is working for me they are just having a break again. I would understand it if there were no technical issues before but they should speed things up a bit since they are already behind schedule.
has there been a formal discussion about vasa's casting style? i can't understand a word he says but watch his stream whenever i have the chance, it is incredible
On February 23 2014 04:35 dreamseller wrote: has there been a formal discussion about vasa's casting style? i can't understand a word he says but watch his stream whenever i have the chance, it is incredible
Yeah, Vasa is incredible. He was even better, when ClouD still played and he casted him, the series in last years Vasacast invitational were very enjoyable, despite so´nt understanding a word of italian.
VortiX spawns in the top Babyknight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Spawning pool first for Vortix. BabyKnight getting a gateway first. Vortix expanding. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 BabyKnight getting a zealot. Zerglings chase a scouting probe. BabyKnight expanding.
5:00 Two gasses for Vortix. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. BabyKnight building a pylon above the middle. Vortix poking with a zergling. Vortix getting drones and a lair.
VortiX spawns in the top Babyknight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Spawning pool first for Vortix. BabyKnight getting a gateway first. Vortix expanding. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 BabyKnight getting a zealot. Zerglings chase a scouting probe. BabyKnight expanding.
5:00 Two gasses for Vortix. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. BabyKnight building a pylon above the middle. Vortix poking with a zergling. Vortix getting drones and a lair.
6:00 BabyKnight 40 vs VortiX 46 Overlord scouts incoming pressure. Vortix has three queens. There's no third base for Vortix so BabyKnight goes away. Vortix getting a roach warren.
7:00 BabyKnight 54 vs VortiX 50 BabyKnight warps in some stalkers and kills an overlord. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix getting +1 attack.
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs VortiX 58 Another overlord dies to the "pressure". Roach speed being researched. Vortix has 4+ queens and isn't spreading much creep. BabyKnight scouts the lair with his mothership core. Burrow for Vortix.
9:00 BabyKnight 71 vs VortiX 78 BabyKnight getting an oracle. Vortix finally takes his third base as BabyKnight walks away. BabyKnight getting a third base. Oracle gets into the natural but only kills one worker. Tunneling claws for Vortix.
10:00 BabyKnight 87 vs VortiX 93 Infestation pit on the way for Vortix. Vortix getting +2 attack. Roaches going for the third of BabyKnight as more roaches come in from the sides towards the natural. BabyKnight not getting an observer.
11:45 BabyKnight 92 vs VortiX 111 Burrowed roaches in the main finally get spotted by envinsion oracle.
VortiX spawns in the top Babyknight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Spawning pool first for Vortix. BabyKnight getting a gateway first. Vortix expanding. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 BabyKnight getting a zealot. Zerglings chase a scouting probe. BabyKnight expanding.
5:00 Two gasses for Vortix. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. BabyKnight building a pylon above the middle. Vortix poking with a zergling. Vortix getting drones and a lair.
6:00 BabyKnight 40 vs VortiX 46 Overlord scouts incoming pressure. Vortix has three queens. There's no third base for Vortix so BabyKnight goes away. Vortix getting a roach warren.
7:00 BabyKnight 54 vs VortiX 50 BabyKnight warps in some stalkers and kills an overlord. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix getting +1 attack.
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs VortiX 58 Another overlord dies to the "pressure". Roach speed being researched. Vortix has 4+ queens and isn't spreading much creep. BabyKnight scouts the lair with his mothership core. Burrow for Vortix.
9:00 BabyKnight 71 vs VortiX 78 BabyKnight getting an oracle. Vortix finally takes his third base as BabyKnight walks away. BabyKnight getting a third base. Oracle gets into the natural but only kills one worker. Tunneling claws for Vortix.
10:00 BabyKnight 87 vs VortiX 93 Infestation pit on the way for Vortix. Vortix getting +2 attack. Roaches going for the third of BabyKnight as more roaches come in from the sides towards the natural. BabyKnight not getting an observer.
11:45 BabyKnight 92 vs VortiX 111 Burrowed roaches in the main finally get spotted by envinsion oracle.
12:00 BabyKnight 98 vs VortiX 122 BabyKnight finally has an observer. Blink for BabyKnight. Locust upgrade for Vortix.
13:00 BabyKnight 107 vs VortiX 130 BabyKnight still producing immortals. Oracle moving down the side of the map again. More roach pressure. BabyKnight FF's his off immortal to save it. Lots of workers dying.
14:00 BabyKnight 110 vs VortiX 141 Probes killing burrowed roaches. Swarmhosts being massed. Fourth base and a spire for Vortix.
15:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 147 BabyKnight lost 35+ probes. 11 more roaches on the way. Revelation on the natural expansion of Vortix. +3 attack on the way for BabyKnight.
VortiX spawns in the top Babyknight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Spawning pool first for Vortix. BabyKnight getting a gateway first. Vortix expanding. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 BabyKnight getting a zealot. Zerglings chase a scouting probe. BabyKnight expanding.
5:00 Two gasses for Vortix. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. BabyKnight building a pylon above the middle. Vortix poking with a zergling. Vortix getting drones and a lair.
6:00 BabyKnight 40 vs VortiX 46 Overlord scouts incoming pressure. Vortix has three queens. There's no third base for Vortix so BabyKnight goes away. Vortix getting a roach warren.
7:00 BabyKnight 54 vs VortiX 50 BabyKnight warps in some stalkers and kills an overlord. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix getting +1 attack.
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs VortiX 58 Another overlord dies to the "pressure". Roach speed being researched. Vortix has 4+ queens and isn't spreading much creep. BabyKnight scouts the lair with his mothership core. Burrow for Vortix.
9:00 BabyKnight 71 vs VortiX 78 BabyKnight getting an oracle. Vortix finally takes his third base as BabyKnight walks away. BabyKnight getting a third base. Oracle gets into the natural but only kills one worker. Tunneling claws for Vortix.
10:00 BabyKnight 87 vs VortiX 93 Infestation pit on the way for Vortix. Vortix getting +2 attack. Roaches going for the third of BabyKnight as more roaches come in from the sides towards the natural. BabyKnight not getting an observer.
11:45 BabyKnight 92 vs VortiX 111 Burrowed roaches in the main finally get spotted by envinsion oracle.
12:00 BabyKnight 98 vs VortiX 122 BabyKnight finally has an observer. Blink for BabyKnight. Locust upgrade for Vortix.
13:00 BabyKnight 107 vs VortiX 130 BabyKnight still producing immortals. Oracle moving down the side of the map again. More roach pressure. BabyKnight FF's his off immortal to save it. Lots of workers dying.
14:00 BabyKnight 110 vs VortiX 141 Probes killing burrowed roaches. Swarmhosts being massed. Fourth base and a spire for Vortix.
15:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 147 BabyKnight lost 35+ probes. 11 more roaches on the way. Revelation on the natural expansion of Vortix. +3 attack on the way for BabyKnight.
16:00 BabyKnight 135 vs VortiX 177 Hive for Vortix. Vortix moving out with swarm hosts and roaches. Lots of force fields on the locusts and the swarm hosts back off.
18:00 BabyKnight 157 vs VortiX 200 BabyKnight running out of force fields but kills a few swarm hosts. BabyKnight blinking offensively to kill a few extra roaches. Lots of roaches and swarm hosts dying. Greater spire and corrupters are finishing.
19:00 BabyKnight 156 vs VortiX 200 Lots of army dying to corrupters and locusts. Brood lords on the way. BabyKnight has no more colossi. BabyKnight taking a 4th base.
20:00 BabyKnight 126 vs VortiX 191 Templar archives from BabyKnight. Vortix getting more queens. Two roach pressure from Vortix.
VortiX spawns in the top Babyknight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Spawning pool first for Vortix. BabyKnight getting a gateway first. Vortix expanding. BabyKnight getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 BabyKnight getting a zealot. Zerglings chase a scouting probe. BabyKnight expanding.
5:00 Two gasses for Vortix. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. BabyKnight building a pylon above the middle. Vortix poking with a zergling. Vortix getting drones and a lair.
6:00 BabyKnight 40 vs VortiX 46 Overlord scouts incoming pressure. Vortix has three queens. There's no third base for Vortix so BabyKnight goes away. Vortix getting a roach warren.
7:00 BabyKnight 54 vs VortiX 50 BabyKnight warps in some stalkers and kills an overlord. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix getting +1 attack.
8:00 BabyKnight 59 vs VortiX 58 Another overlord dies to the "pressure". Roach speed being researched. Vortix has 4+ queens and isn't spreading much creep. BabyKnight scouts the lair with his mothership core. Burrow for Vortix.
9:00 BabyKnight 71 vs VortiX 78 BabyKnight getting an oracle. Vortix finally takes his third base as BabyKnight walks away. BabyKnight getting a third base. Oracle gets into the natural but only kills one worker. Tunneling claws for Vortix.
10:00 BabyKnight 87 vs VortiX 93 Infestation pit on the way for Vortix. Vortix getting +2 attack. Roaches going for the third of BabyKnight as more roaches come in from the sides towards the natural. BabyKnight not getting an observer.
11:45 BabyKnight 92 vs VortiX 111 Burrowed roaches in the main finally get spotted by envinsion oracle.
12:00 BabyKnight 98 vs VortiX 122 BabyKnight finally has an observer. Blink for BabyKnight. Locust upgrade for Vortix.
13:00 BabyKnight 107 vs VortiX 130 BabyKnight still producing immortals. Oracle moving down the side of the map again. More roach pressure. BabyKnight FF's his off immortal to save it. Lots of workers dying.
14:00 BabyKnight 110 vs VortiX 141 Probes killing burrowed roaches. Swarmhosts being massed. Fourth base and a spire for Vortix.
15:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 147 BabyKnight lost 35+ probes. 11 more roaches on the way. Revelation on the natural expansion of Vortix. +3 attack on the way for BabyKnight.
16:00 BabyKnight 135 vs VortiX 177 Hive for Vortix. Vortix moving out with swarm hosts and roaches. Lots of force fields on the locusts and the swarm hosts back off.
18:00 BabyKnight 157 vs VortiX 200 BabyKnight running out of force fields but kills a few swarm hosts. BabyKnight blinking offensively to kill a few extra roaches. Lots of roaches and swarm hosts dying. Greater spire and corrupters are finishing.
19:00 BabyKnight 156 vs VortiX 200 Lots of army dying to corrupters and locusts. Brood lords on the way. BabyKnight has no more colossi. BabyKnight taking a 4th base.
20:00 BabyKnight 126 vs VortiX 191 Templar archives from BabyKnight. Vortix getting more queens. Two roach pressure from Vortix.
21:00 BabyKnight 163 vs VortiX 192 Vortix moving into the third with tons of zerg. Transfuses on the brood lords. Photon overcharge doing little so far.
22:00 BabyKnight 145 vs VortiX 200 The third base of BabyKnight dies. Vortix taking a 5th base. Mothership core dies to corrupters. Extended thermal lance not even finished... Oops.
23:00 BabyKnight 132 vs VortiX 194 BabyKnight being chased to his 4th base. Vortix has a bunch of money banked. BabyKnight blinks forwards but really can't do much. A few roaches die.
24:00 BabyKnight 100 vs VortiX 194 Stalkers can't beat swarm hosts and roaches and brood lords. BabyKnight GG's! Vortix takes a 1-0 lead!
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I have to say, Starcraft 2 progamers have become insanely impressive. I remember that one or two years ago, most foreigner play was cringeworthy when compared to koreans, but they have really caught up. IEM was extremely entertaining, and WCS Europe is off to a great start.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Pylon on the low ground for BabyKnight. Spawning pool first for Vortix.
2:00 Probe blocking the hatchery for Vortix. Vortix very nearly kills the probe. Nexus followed by a forge for BabyKnight. BabyKnight quickly getting a gateway.
3:00 Zerglings chasing a probe. Cannon behind the wall of BabyKnight.
4:00 Vortix taking a third base at the slightly forward third. Zergling pressure forces a temporary pylon. Cybernetics core for BabyKnight.
5:00 Scouting probe that nearly died to two drones nearly dies to 2 zerglings. Warp gate on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix pumping drones.
On February 23 2014 04:59 maartendq wrote: I have to say, Starcraft 2 progamers have become insanely impressive. I remember that one or two years ago, most foreigner play was cringeworthy when compared to koreans, but they have really caught up. IEM was extremely entertaining, and WCS Europe is off to a great start.
It's a new game and it takes a while to learn. Years in fact. Production has also improved by leaps and bounds.
There is still more to go too! And another expansion!
On February 23 2014 04:59 maartendq wrote: I have to say, Starcraft 2 progamers have become insanely impressive. I remember that one or two years ago, most foreigner play was cringeworthy when compared to koreans, but they have really caught up. IEM was extremely entertaining, and WCS Europe is off to a great start.
It's a new game and it takes a while to learn. Years in fact. Production has also improved by leaps and bounds.
There is still more to go too! And another expansion!
Exactly. Considering how fast things evolved over the past four years, I'm curious where we will be in another four years.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Pylon on the low ground for BabyKnight. Spawning pool first for Vortix.
2:00 Probe blocking the hatchery for Vortix. Vortix very nearly kills the probe. Nexus followed by a forge for BabyKnight. BabyKnight quickly getting a gateway.
3:00 Zerglings chasing a probe. Cannon behind the wall of BabyKnight.
4:00 Vortix taking a third base at the slightly forward third. Zergling pressure forces a temporary pylon. Cybernetics core for BabyKnight.
5:00 Scouting probe that nearly died to two drones nearly dies to 2 zerglings. Warp gate on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix pumping drones.
6:45 BabyKnight 45 vs VortiX 51 BabyKnight getting 2 more gateways. Roach warren for Vortix. Vortix scouts the stargate and gets 3 spore crawlers. Zergling speed and lair for Vortix.
8:00 BabyKnight 56 vs VortiX 66 +1 attack for BabyKnight. Oracle finishing and moving out. BabyKnight half finished with a third base, which gets scouted by a zergling. Tons of drones for Vortix. Double evolution chamber on the way.
9:00 BabyKnight 69 vs VortiX 77 Robotics facility and a twilight council for BabyKnight. The robotics facility is at the third base. Infestation pit for Vortix. +1/1 melee and roach speed for Vortix. +2 ground attack starting for BabyKnight. BabyKnight finishing three more gateways.
10:00 BabyKnight 97 vs VortiX 112 Locust upgrades for Vortix. Vortix getting 5 swarmhosts. Vortix getting a 4th base in the upper forward third.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Pylon on the low ground for BabyKnight. Spawning pool first for Vortix.
2:00 Probe blocking the hatchery for Vortix. Vortix very nearly kills the probe. Nexus followed by a forge for BabyKnight. BabyKnight quickly getting a gateway.
3:00 Zerglings chasing a probe. Cannon behind the wall of BabyKnight.
4:00 Vortix taking a third base at the slightly forward third. Zergling pressure forces a temporary pylon. Cybernetics core for BabyKnight.
5:00 Scouting probe that nearly died to two drones nearly dies to 2 zerglings. Warp gate on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix pumping drones.
6:45 BabyKnight 45 vs VortiX 51 BabyKnight getting 2 more gateways. Roach warren for Vortix. Vortix scouts the stargate and gets 3 spore crawlers. Zergling speed and lair for Vortix.
8:00 BabyKnight 56 vs VortiX 66 +1 attack for BabyKnight. Oracle finishing and moving out. BabyKnight half finished with a third base, which gets scouted by a zergling. Tons of drones for Vortix. Double evolution chamber on the way.
9:00 BabyKnight 69 vs VortiX 77 Robotics facility and a twilight council for BabyKnight. The robotics facility is at the third base. Infestation pit for Vortix. +1/1 melee and roach speed for Vortix. +2 ground attack starting for BabyKnight. BabyKnight finishing three more gateways.
10:00 BabyKnight 97 vs VortiX 112 Locust upgrades for Vortix. Vortix getting 5 swarmhosts. Vortix getting a 4th base in the upper forward third.
11:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 141 Revelation sees the swarm hosts. Four more gateways finishing for BabyKnight. Blink is half done for BabyKnight.
12:00 BabyKnight 132 vs VortiX 158 Robotics bay finishing for BabyKnight. Vortix getting a hive and a spire. +2 melee attack for Vortix. Vortix has 10 swarm hosts and burrows them on the edge of his creep.
13:00 BabyKnight 140 vs VortiX 184 Tons of force fields seal off the locusts temporarily. BabyKnight backs off. +2/2 for Vortix is half done. Extended thermal lance is finishing up soon. More locusts.
14:00 BabyKnight 160 vs VortiX 197 Locusts kill all the FFs and do damage to units.
15:00 BabyKnight 178 vs VortiX 196 Greater spire nearly finished. Drop in the main of Vortix but Vortix has no static defense. The warp prism and zealots die. BabyKnight getting a 4th.
On February 23 2014 05:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: classic foreigner micro
I'd rather praise BK's perfect timing + utilizing revelation to his great benefit. That was real, real sick attack, that opening was what, just a few seconds.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Pylon on the low ground for BabyKnight. Spawning pool first for Vortix.
2:00 Probe blocking the hatchery for Vortix. Vortix very nearly kills the probe. Nexus followed by a forge for BabyKnight. BabyKnight quickly getting a gateway.
3:00 Zerglings chasing a probe. Cannon behind the wall of BabyKnight.
4:00 Vortix taking a third base at the slightly forward third. Zergling pressure forces a temporary pylon. Cybernetics core for BabyKnight.
5:00 Scouting probe that nearly died to two drones nearly dies to 2 zerglings. Warp gate on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix pumping drones.
6:45 BabyKnight 45 vs VortiX 51 BabyKnight getting 2 more gateways. Roach warren for Vortix. Vortix scouts the stargate and gets 3 spore crawlers. Zergling speed and lair for Vortix.
8:00 BabyKnight 56 vs VortiX 66 +1 attack for BabyKnight. Oracle finishing and moving out. BabyKnight half finished with a third base, which gets scouted by a zergling. Tons of drones for Vortix. Double evolution chamber on the way.
9:00 BabyKnight 69 vs VortiX 77 Robotics facility and a twilight council for BabyKnight. The robotics facility is at the third base. Infestation pit for Vortix. +1/1 melee and roach speed for Vortix. +2 ground attack starting for BabyKnight. BabyKnight finishing three more gateways.
10:00 BabyKnight 97 vs VortiX 112 Locust upgrades for Vortix. Vortix getting 5 swarmhosts. Vortix getting a 4th base in the upper forward third.
11:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 141 Revelation sees the swarm hosts. Four more gateways finishing for BabyKnight. Blink is half done for BabyKnight.
12:00 BabyKnight 132 vs VortiX 158 Robotics bay finishing for BabyKnight. Vortix getting a hive and a spire. +2 melee attack for Vortix. Vortix has 10 swarm hosts and burrows them on the edge of his creep.
13:00 BabyKnight 140 vs VortiX 184 Tons of force fields seal off the locusts temporarily. BabyKnight backs off. +2/2 for Vortix is half done. Extended thermal lance is finishing up soon. More locusts.
14:00 BabyKnight 160 vs VortiX 197 Locusts kill all the FFs and do damage to units.
15:00 BabyKnight 178 vs VortiX 196 Greater spire nearly finished. Drop in the main of Vortix but Vortix has no static defense. The warp prism and zealots die. BabyKnight getting a 4th.
16:00 BabyKnight 174 vs VortiX 195 Fleet beacon for BabyKnight as well as another stargate. Brood lord army moving towards the 4th. Vortix moves all the swarm hosts into the colossus army.
17:00 BabyKnight 166 vs VortiX 144 Corrupters kill all but one of the colossi. BabyKnight has a bunch of stalkers. Ouch.
18:00 BabyKnight 153vs VortiX 143 Lots of zealots harassing the main base. +3 ground armor for Vortix. BabyKnight has his 4th base. More colossi for BabyKnight.
19:00 BabyKnight 165 vs VortiX 158 BabyKnight moving out. Brood lords finishing up for Vortix. BabyKnight doesn't have a very good anti-broodlord composition currently.
20:00 BabyKnight 179 vs VortiX 172 Tempests on the way for BabyKnight. More corrupters for Vortix.
On February 23 2014 05:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: classic foreigner micro
I'd rather praise BK's perfect timing + utilizing revelation to his great benefit. That was real, real sick attack, that opening was what, just a few seconds.
The so called "opening" you praise him for exists because Vortix thought it was a good idea to walk his SHs into the enemys army
On February 23 2014 05:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: classic foreigner micro
I'd rather praise BK's perfect timing + utilizing revelation to his great benefit. That was real, real sick attack, that opening was what, just a few seconds.
yeah, he may play well tonight. idk, i never watch foreigners :D. But i just cant praise a toss atm, i just cant.
VortiX spawns in the bottom right Babyknight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Pylon on the low ground for BabyKnight. Spawning pool first for Vortix.
2:00 Probe blocking the hatchery for Vortix. Vortix very nearly kills the probe. Nexus followed by a forge for BabyKnight. BabyKnight quickly getting a gateway.
3:00 Zerglings chasing a probe. Cannon behind the wall of BabyKnight.
4:00 Vortix taking a third base at the slightly forward third. Zergling pressure forces a temporary pylon. Cybernetics core for BabyKnight.
5:00 Scouting probe that nearly died to two drones nearly dies to 2 zerglings. Warp gate on the way for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Vortix pumping drones.
6:45 BabyKnight 45 vs VortiX 51 BabyKnight getting 2 more gateways. Roach warren for Vortix. Vortix scouts the stargate and gets 3 spore crawlers. Zergling speed and lair for Vortix.
8:00 BabyKnight 56 vs VortiX 66 +1 attack for BabyKnight. Oracle finishing and moving out. BabyKnight half finished with a third base, which gets scouted by a zergling. Tons of drones for Vortix. Double evolution chamber on the way.
9:00 BabyKnight 69 vs VortiX 77 Robotics facility and a twilight council for BabyKnight. The robotics facility is at the third base. Infestation pit for Vortix. +1/1 melee and roach speed for Vortix. +2 ground attack starting for BabyKnight. BabyKnight finishing three more gateways.
10:00 BabyKnight 97 vs VortiX 112 Locust upgrades for Vortix. Vortix getting 5 swarmhosts. Vortix getting a 4th base in the upper forward third.
11:00 BabyKnight 118 vs VortiX 141 Revelation sees the swarm hosts. Four more gateways finishing for BabyKnight. Blink is half done for BabyKnight.
12:00 BabyKnight 132 vs VortiX 158 Robotics bay finishing for BabyKnight. Vortix getting a hive and a spire. +2 melee attack for Vortix. Vortix has 10 swarm hosts and burrows them on the edge of his creep.
13:00 BabyKnight 140 vs VortiX 184 Tons of force fields seal off the locusts temporarily. BabyKnight backs off. +2/2 for Vortix is half done. Extended thermal lance is finishing up soon. More locusts.
14:00 BabyKnight 160 vs VortiX 197 Locusts kill all the FFs and do damage to units.
15:00 BabyKnight 178 vs VortiX 196 Greater spire nearly finished. Drop in the main of Vortix but Vortix has no static defense. The warp prism and zealots die. BabyKnight getting a 4th.
16:00 BabyKnight 174 vs VortiX 195 Fleet beacon for BabyKnight as well as another stargate. Brood lord army moving towards the 4th. Vortix moves all the swarm hosts into the colossus army.
17:00 BabyKnight 166 vs VortiX 144 Corrupters kill all but one of the colossi. BabyKnight has a bunch of stalkers. Ouch.
18:00 BabyKnight 153vs VortiX 143 Lots of zealots harassing the main base. +3 ground armor for Vortix. BabyKnight has his 4th base. More colossi for BabyKnight.
19:00 BabyKnight 165 vs VortiX 158 BabyKnight moving out. Brood lords finishing up for Vortix. BabyKnight doesn't have a very good anti-broodlord composition currently.
20:00 BabyKnight 179 vs VortiX 172 Tempests on the way for BabyKnight. More corrupters for Vortix.
21:00 BabyKnight 195 vs VortiX 191 +1 air weapons for BabyKnight. Vortix moving towards the 4th base. Vortix going for the 4th base. Huge blink onto the brood lords.
22:00 BabyKnight 168 vs VortiX 181 Corrupters running into the battle to kill a tempest. Vortix losing a bunch of queens and brood lords to stalkers. Two more nexii for BabyKnight.
23:00 BabyKnight 167 vs VortiX 127 Vortix getting 11 swarm hosts. Protoss has more bases than zerg now. Zergling counterattack on the 5th base. BabyKnight going for the fourth. Vortix GG's! BabyKnight ties it up 1-1!
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On February 23 2014 05:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: classic foreigner micro
I'd rather praise BK's perfect timing + utilizing revelation to his great benefit. That was real, real sick attack, that opening was what, just a few seconds.
The so called "opening" you praise him for exists because Vortix thought it was a good idea to walk his SHs into the enemys army
Err, I think you misunderstand me. I don't praise BK for the opening, as it was clearly caused by Vortix's blunder. What I praised was BabyKnight's abilty to exploit that opening. As the casters said, most people wouldn't have grabbed that opportunity. He did grab it, hard, by the balls.
On February 23 2014 05:09 gingerfluffmuff wrote: classic foreigner micro
I'd rather praise BK's perfect timing + utilizing revelation to his great benefit. That was real, real sick attack, that opening was what, just a few seconds.
The so called "opening" you praise him for exists because Vortix thought it was a good idea to walk his SHs into the enemys army
Err, I think you misunderstand me. I don't praise BK for the opening, as it was clearly caused by Vortix's blunder. What I praised was BabyKnight's abilty to exploit that opening. As the casters said, most people wouldn't have grabbed that opportunity. He did grab it, hard, by the balls.
Ah yes, i missunderstood you then. Sorry. I agree with that, the revelation really helped on that as you said. He saw the opportunity and went for the kill
Well I hope that ForGG can make it. But I think even Lilbow wont be that easy and after that it will be BabyK again or Vortix. That are huge odds to overcome.
VortiX spawns in the bottom left Babyknight spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatchery first from Vortix. Gateway followed by an assimilator for BabyKnight. Spawning pool for Vortix.
3:00 BabyKnight scouts the hatchery. BabyKnight expanding. Drones being transferred to the natural expansion.
4:00 Mothership core for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a sentry. Vortix researching zergling speed.
5:00 Forge for BabyKnight. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. Vortix taking his third base.
6:00 BabyKnight 39 vs VortiX 48 +1 attack for BabyKnight. Vortix getting a roach warren. Twilight council for BabyKnight. Vortix getting a lair.
7:00 BabyKnight 53 vs VortiX 52 Roach production begins after a large round of drones. BabyKnight getting a dark shrine, not blink. Drones being transferred to the third base. BabyKnight moving out
8:00 BabyKnight 67 vs VortiX 92 Vortix forces a recall. +2 starts for BabyKnight. Two more gateways for BabyKnight.
9:00 BabyKnight 74 vs VortiX 114 DTs being warped in. Robotics facility on the way for BabyKnight. Four overseers on the way. DTs start to kill workers but only 6 die before the DTs are cleaned up.
10:00 BabyKnight 85 vs VortiX 145 BabyKnight is actually ahead in workers. Overlord speed. BabyKnight loses an archon to a flank and Vortix charges into the third base, killing all the units. BabyKnight GG's! Vortix wins 2-1!
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On February 23 2014 05:27 m0ck wrote: How was that supposed to work, bbk?!
Maybe if the DTs kill one hatch each...
Againt Vortix who goes fast lair so often.. ^^
I have no clue really. Maybe it was one of those maps where everything just goes wrong and after a while you're laughing out loud because you know you are so much behind and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it?
On February 23 2014 05:23 arkedos wrote: Well I hope that ForGG can make it. But I think even Lilbow wont be that easy and after that it will be BabyK again or Vortix. That are huge odds to overcome.
ForGG showed great TvZ recently.. Not sure how good Vortix is at ZvT right now, I know he used to be good in the matchup..
Also, I really like the improved polish stream for WCS 2014 Season 1 (airing from ESL studio in Poland). Surprisingly, this little change makes a lot of difference. You can check it out in the downtime.
On February 23 2014 05:27 m0ck wrote: How was that supposed to work, bbk?!
Maybe if the DTs kill one hatch each...
Againt Vortix who goes fast lair so often.. ^^
I have no clue really. Maybe it was one of those maps where everything just goes wrong and after a while you're laughing out loud because you know you are so much behind and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it?
Lilbow spawns in the bottom left ForGG spawns in the top right
2:00 Gateway first into gas for Lilbow. ForGG getting a barracks followed by a refinery. Reaper for ForGG. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Lilbow already scouting the main of ForGG. ForGG kills the scout with his reaper. ForGG expanding. Lilbow expanding.
4:00 Mothership core for Lilbow. ForGG getting a reactor on his barracks. Factory for ForGG. Reaper tries to scout the main but fails.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG getting a starport. ForGG getting a widow mine. Lilbow still producing probes. Reaper going for the main again, seeing the twilight council.
Lilbow spawns in the bottom left ForGG spawns in the top right
2:00 Gateway first into gas for Lilbow. ForGG getting a barracks followed by a refinery. Reaper for ForGG. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Lilbow already scouting the main of ForGG. ForGG kills the scout with his reaper. ForGG expanding. Lilbow expanding.
4:00 Mothership core for Lilbow. ForGG getting a reactor on his barracks. Factory for ForGG. Reaper tries to scout the main but fails.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG getting a starport. ForGG getting a widow mine. Lilbow still producing probes. Reaper going for the main again, seeing the twilight council.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Mothership core very nearly dies near ForGG's main but recalls. Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge.
7:00 Lilbow 43 vs ForGG 48 ForGG going for a widow mine drop. Lilbow proxying a pylon. Cannons in the mineral lines for Lilbow. ForGG getting a tank. Drop does very little damage.
8:00 Lilbow 59 vs ForGG 58 Lilbow going for the attack but ForGG is ready. ForGG pulling workers. Lilbow kills a few SCVs and backs off.
9:00 Lilbow 73 vs ForGG 70 The mothership core dies in exchange for a tank. Charge and a templar archives for Lilbow. ForGG getting stim and combat shields. Lilbow getting 5 more gateways, making 8.
10:45 Lilbow 83 vs ForGG 94 Storm for Lilbow. ForGG moving out to kill the proxy pylon.
Lilbow spawns in the bottom left ForGG spawns in the top right
2:00 Gateway first into gas for Lilbow. ForGG getting a barracks followed by a refinery. Reaper for ForGG. Lilbow getting a cybernetics core.
3:00 Lilbow already scouting the main of ForGG. ForGG kills the scout with his reaper. ForGG expanding. Lilbow expanding.
4:00 Mothership core for Lilbow. ForGG getting a reactor on his barracks. Factory for ForGG. Reaper tries to scout the main but fails.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG getting a starport. ForGG getting a widow mine. Lilbow still producing probes. Reaper going for the main again, seeing the twilight council.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Mothership core very nearly dies near ForGG's main but recalls. Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge.
7:00 Lilbow 43 vs ForGG 48 ForGG going for a widow mine drop. Lilbow proxying a pylon. Cannons in the mineral lines for Lilbow. ForGG getting a tank. Drop does very little damage.
8:00 Lilbow 59 vs ForGG 58 Lilbow going for the attack but ForGG is ready. ForGG pulling workers. Lilbow kills a few SCVs and backs off.
9:00 Lilbow 73 vs ForGG 70 The mothership core dies in exchange for a tank. Charge and a templar archives for Lilbow. ForGG getting stim and combat shields. Lilbow getting 5 more gateways, making 8.
10:45 Lilbow 83 vs ForGG 94 Storm for Lilbow. ForGG moving out to kill the proxy pylon.
11:30 Lilbow 93 vs ForGG 106 Stalkers poking at the army and killing a medivac.
12:00 Lilbow 108 vs ForGG 109 Stim isn't done but storm is. ForGG gets a time warp and storm on his bio. Stim still not finished. ForGG loses literally everything to stalkers. ForGG GG's! Ouch. Lilbow takes a 1-0 lead.
On February 23 2014 05:49 Seiniyta wrote: Ahahaha, that was such a derp moment of Forgg yeah, loading your units in a medivac with blinkstalkers nearby is smart XD.
He would get chased by blink stalkers anyway... The moment that storm landed it was over.
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Lilbow lost 2 probes to marine and mine drop while killing it all, killed a tank and scvs for a mship core with blink stalkers and had storm, charge and +1 armor ready for forGG's push. That was a thrashing.
On February 23 2014 05:49 Seiniyta wrote: Ahahaha, that was such a derp moment of Forgg yeah, loading your units in a medivac with blinkstalkers nearby is smart XD.
He would get chased by blink stalkers anyway... The moment that storm landed it was over.
Yeah, I figured. But either that was just a "please, just kill me faster" or he perhaps wanted to speed away or something. Still, it was amusing to watch.
On February 23 2014 05:51 m0ck wrote: Lilbow lost 2 probes to marine and mine drop while killing it all, killed a tank and scvs for a mship core with blink stalkers and had storm, charge and +1 armor ready for forGG's push. That was a thrashing.
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On February 23 2014 05:49 Stress wrote: Gotta love time warp + 1 storm = lose basically everything.
I guess that's what ForGG gets for grouping his units together and pushing before stim
Well he shouldn't have moved out to begin with because he didn't have stim. I just think its silly that two spell casts is an instant loss with no hope for a comeback.
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Which part? Loading up the medivacs when it really didn't matter anyway?
On February 23 2014 05:51 m0ck wrote: Lilbow lost 2 probes to marine and mine drop while killing it all, killed a tank and scvs for a mship core with blink stalkers and had storm, charge and +1 armor ready for forGG's push. That was a thrashing.
Which opener do we have to use ?
I'm just summarizing, P is clearly favored in the match-up ^^
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Which part? Loading up the medivacs when it really didn't matter anyway?
Pushing into Storm+MSC before stim might have something to do with it.
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Which part? Loading up the medivacs when it really didn't matter anyway?
Walking out in the middle of the map without really having a clue what Protoss is up to.
I dont get it why ForGG, after the defense, does not sit back and gets his sick macro going und just crushes lilbow :////// Why he had to move out ? Seems to be always a bad Idea on a map big like frost.
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Which part? Loading up the medivacs when it really didn't matter anyway?
The part where he probably doesn't expect storm to be finished so fast after so much gas invested into blink stalkers...
Terrans still haven't learned you actually can't counter attack protoss after his pressure fails even if they go straight into higher tech.
On February 23 2014 05:51 m0ck wrote: Lilbow lost 2 probes to marine and mine drop while killing it all, killed a tank and scvs for a mship core with blink stalkers and had storm, charge and +1 armor ready for forGG's push. That was a thrashing.
Which opener do we have to use ?
I'm just summarizing, P is clearly favored in the match-up ^^
But lilbow played better (and non-gimmicky) here.
Yeah, lilbow's opening wasn't gimmicky... and it should be, given the damage potential it has.
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge. Medivac for Lilbow. Widow mine burrows in the corner of the main of ForGG
7:00 Lilbow 46 vs ForGG 51 Marine/mine drop for ForGG. ForGG getting a bunker in the corner of his main. Lilbow is prepared with a single probe bait but ForGG picks up and doesn't waste any shots.
8:00 Lilbow 60 vs ForGG 61 Lilbow can't move out just yet because widow mines are guarding Lilbow's natural. Templar archives and two gateways and charge for Lilbow.
9:00 Lilbow 61 vs ForGG 71 Storm and HTs on the way for Lilbow. Lilbow getting 2 more gateways. A 1 marine drop for ForGG! Woah! ForGG getting stim and combat shields, as well as an engineering bay.
10:00 Lilbow 74 vs ForGG 86 The one marine drop goes behind the natural and then backs off. Robotics facility for Lilbow. The one marine drop denies a potential third. Scan on the main base of Lilbow.
On February 23 2014 05:57 Morphage wrote: Lol foreign protosses beating Korean terrans haha nothing wrong here guys!
Yeah, koreans are genetically immune to have a bad day, right? On a normal day, ForGG beats Lilbow, whether the MU is slightly P-favored or not. Today he just seems to have an off-day, but I´m pretty sure, he will strike back soon.
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge. Medivac for Lilbow. Widow mine burrows in the corner of the main of ForGG
7:00 Lilbow 46 vs ForGG 51 Marine/mine drop for ForGG. ForGG getting a bunker in the corner of his main. Lilbow is prepared with a single probe bait but ForGG picks up and doesn't waste any shots.
8:00 Lilbow 60 vs ForGG 61 Lilbow can't move out just yet because widow mines are guarding Lilbow's natural. Templar archives and two gateways and charge for Lilbow.
9:00 Lilbow 61 vs ForGG 71 Storm and HTs on the way for Lilbow. Lilbow getting 2 more gateways. A 1 marine drop for ForGG! Woah! ForGG getting stim and combat shields, as well as an engineering bay.
10:00 Lilbow 74 vs ForGG 86 The one marine drop goes behind the natural and then backs off. Robotics facility for Lilbow. The one marine drop denies a potential third. Scan on the main base of Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 98 vs ForGG 106 Lilbow brings another probe to the third base. ForGG getting +1 bio attack. Two medivac drop for ForGG. Third CC for ForGG. Lilbow kills the widow mines. Lilbow finally taking his third base.
12:00 Lilbow 121 vs ForGG 126 ForGG unloading his medivac behind the natural. The other drop is in the top left main.
13:00 Lilbow 138 vs ForGG 139 Lilbow has 8 HTs, one is in a warp prism. ForGG attacks the third and drops the main and natural. Lilbow kills the army in the natural and easily shuts down the other two. Storm on the main worker line of ForGG kills ~10 SCVs.
14:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 127 More zealots warping in the main of ForGG. Widow mine nearly kills a warp prism. ForGG dropping the main.
15:00 Lilbow 106 vs ForGG 134 Storms on the SCVs of ForGG. Lilbow losing all his infrastructure.
16:00 Lilbow 122 vs ForGG 139 ForGG picks up his army just in time and retreats. Lilbow has to defend his third. ForGG kills the third base of Lilbow. Both players on a 1 base economy. ForGG loses the main base drop.
18:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 106 ForGG ignoring the rocks the bottom left base and distance mining there. Lilbow retaking his third base. Three more gateways for Lilbow.
On February 23 2014 06:01 scypio wrote: This defense... it looked so easy.
It is pretty easy to hold when Protoss is even in supply. Terrans used to go to the mid game with a 15-20 supply advantage is that went no ghosts. But with the limited number of builds you can do nowadays, Terrans no longer have that.
This reminds me of Maru's games. He started so bad but still managed to pull off. I hope ForGG can do it as well, he is obviously on huge tilt since he is tweeting f...ck protoss
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge. Medivac for Lilbow. Widow mine burrows in the corner of the main of ForGG
7:00 Lilbow 46 vs ForGG 51 Marine/mine drop for ForGG. ForGG getting a bunker in the corner of his main. Lilbow is prepared with a single probe bait but ForGG picks up and doesn't waste any shots.
8:00 Lilbow 60 vs ForGG 61 Lilbow can't move out just yet because widow mines are guarding Lilbow's natural. Templar archives and two gateways and charge for Lilbow.
9:00 Lilbow 61 vs ForGG 71 Storm and HTs on the way for Lilbow. Lilbow getting 2 more gateways. A 1 marine drop for ForGG! Woah! ForGG getting stim and combat shields, as well as an engineering bay.
10:00 Lilbow 74 vs ForGG 86 The one marine drop goes behind the natural and then backs off. Robotics facility for Lilbow. The one marine drop denies a potential third. Scan on the main base of Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 98 vs ForGG 106 Lilbow brings another probe to the third base. ForGG getting +1 bio attack. Two medivac drop for ForGG. Third CC for ForGG. Lilbow kills the widow mines. Lilbow finally taking his third base.
12:00 Lilbow 121 vs ForGG 126 ForGG unloading his medivac behind the natural. The other drop is in the top left main.
13:00 Lilbow 138 vs ForGG 139 Lilbow has 8 HTs, one is in a warp prism. ForGG attacks the third and drops the main and natural. Lilbow kills the army in the natural and easily shuts down the other two. Storm on the main worker line of ForGG kills ~10 SCVs.
14:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 127 More zealots warping in the main of ForGG. Widow mine nearly kills a warp prism. ForGG dropping the main.
15:00 Lilbow 106 vs ForGG 134 Storms on the SCVs of ForGG. Lilbow losing all his infrastructure.
16:00 Lilbow 122 vs ForGG 139 ForGG picks up his army just in time and retreats. Lilbow has to defend his third. ForGG kills the third base of Lilbow. Both players on a 1 base economy. ForGG loses the main base drop.
18:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 106 ForGG ignoring the rocks the bottom left base and distance mining there. Lilbow retaking his third base. Three more gateways for Lilbow.
19:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 128 Lilbow tried to take the 4th base and he defends it against ForGG.
20:00 Lilbow 93 vs ForGG 92 Huge storms on the army of ForGG. ForGG backs off and tries to attack again. Lilbow rebuilding his cybernetics core. ForGG has 8 medivacs.
21:00 Lilbow 81 vs ForGG 76 ForGG retook his natural. Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG going for another attack.
22:00 Lilbow 91 vs ForGG 85 Zealot warpin at the makeshift third of ForGG. ForGG loses a bunch of units to Lilbow's units.
On February 23 2014 06:04 Scrubwave wrote: I wish seeker missile was as good as storm is. Or half as good.
Seeker missile is pretty good, just not vs P.
Dude, swarmhosts can unburrow and get away from SM before it lands. Seeker missle is good but it is way more situational than storm which is good against almost everything.
On February 23 2014 05:49 shockaslim wrote: The balance whine in me wants to come out but I need to supress it. Just, I guess he should have scanned so that he wouldn't get stormed but I dunno.
No need to balance whine. That was just a terrible decision by ForGG.
Which part? Loading up the medivacs when it really didn't matter anyway?
The part where he probably doesn't expect storm to be finished so fast after so much gas invested into blink stalkers...
Terrans still haven't learned you actually can't counter attack protoss after his pressure fails even if they go straight into higher tech.
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge. Medivac for Lilbow. Widow mine burrows in the corner of the main of ForGG
7:00 Lilbow 46 vs ForGG 51 Marine/mine drop for ForGG. ForGG getting a bunker in the corner of his main. Lilbow is prepared with a single probe bait but ForGG picks up and doesn't waste any shots.
8:00 Lilbow 60 vs ForGG 61 Lilbow can't move out just yet because widow mines are guarding Lilbow's natural. Templar archives and two gateways and charge for Lilbow.
9:00 Lilbow 61 vs ForGG 71 Storm and HTs on the way for Lilbow. Lilbow getting 2 more gateways. A 1 marine drop for ForGG! Woah! ForGG getting stim and combat shields, as well as an engineering bay.
10:00 Lilbow 74 vs ForGG 86 The one marine drop goes behind the natural and then backs off. Robotics facility for Lilbow. The one marine drop denies a potential third. Scan on the main base of Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 98 vs ForGG 106 Lilbow brings another probe to the third base. ForGG getting +1 bio attack. Two medivac drop for ForGG. Third CC for ForGG. Lilbow kills the widow mines. Lilbow finally taking his third base.
12:00 Lilbow 121 vs ForGG 126 ForGG unloading his medivac behind the natural. The other drop is in the top left main.
13:00 Lilbow 138 vs ForGG 139 Lilbow has 8 HTs, one is in a warp prism. ForGG attacks the third and drops the main and natural. Lilbow kills the army in the natural and easily shuts down the other two. Storm on the main worker line of ForGG kills ~10 SCVs.
14:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 127 More zealots warping in the main of ForGG. Widow mine nearly kills a warp prism. ForGG dropping the main.
15:00 Lilbow 106 vs ForGG 134 Storms on the SCVs of ForGG. Lilbow losing all his infrastructure.
16:00 Lilbow 122 vs ForGG 139 ForGG picks up his army just in time and retreats. Lilbow has to defend his third. ForGG kills the third base of Lilbow. Both players on a 1 base economy. ForGG loses the main base drop.
18:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 106 ForGG ignoring the rocks the bottom left base and distance mining there. Lilbow retaking his third base. Three more gateways for Lilbow.
19:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 128 Lilbow tried to take the 4th base and he defends it against ForGG.
20:00 Lilbow 93 vs ForGG 92 Huge storms on the army of ForGG. ForGG backs off and tries to attack again. Lilbow rebuilding his cybernetics core. ForGG has 8 medivacs.
21:00 Lilbow 81 vs ForGG 76 ForGG retook his natural. Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG going for another attack.
22:00 Lilbow 91 vs ForGG 85 Zealot warpin at the makeshift third of ForGG. ForGG loses a bunch of units to Lilbow's units.
23:00 Lilbow 112 vs ForGG 85 ForGG mining out his natural, his main is finished. Lilbow on 3 mining bases. Dark shrine for Lilbow, he's finished his templar archives and warps in 8 HTs.
24:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 101 +1/2 for ForGG. ForGG dropping a completely empty main base. Even army supplies. ForGG pushing the 4th/third base. Lilbow storming and feedbacking everything. ForGG kills the 4th/third base.
25:00 Lilbow 136 vs ForGG 89 Lilbow moving into the natural of ForGG. ForGG furiously kiting. Lilbow taking another base. Lilbow killing all the workers in the third base of ForGG.
Lilbow spawns in the top ForGG spawns in the bottom
Observer lag, oh no! 2:00 Barracks followed by a refinery for ForGG. Lilbow getting a gateway followed by both assimilators. Lilbow doesn't immediately put workers to mining gas for some reason. Even then there's only 1 worker in each gas O.o.
3:00 Ok, now there are two workers in each gas. Reactor for ForGG. CC for ForGG on the high ground. Scouting SCV being chased by the stalker. Mothership core + expand from Lilbow.
4:00 Lilbow expanding. Factory for ForGG. Mothership core moving out.
5:00 Twilight council for Lilbow. Zealot accompanies the mothership core. Two more gateways for Lilbow. Widow mines for ForGG and a starport finishing up.
6:00 Lilbow 38 vs ForGG 43 Blink for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a forge. Medivac for Lilbow. Widow mine burrows in the corner of the main of ForGG
7:00 Lilbow 46 vs ForGG 51 Marine/mine drop for ForGG. ForGG getting a bunker in the corner of his main. Lilbow is prepared with a single probe bait but ForGG picks up and doesn't waste any shots.
8:00 Lilbow 60 vs ForGG 61 Lilbow can't move out just yet because widow mines are guarding Lilbow's natural. Templar archives and two gateways and charge for Lilbow.
9:00 Lilbow 61 vs ForGG 71 Storm and HTs on the way for Lilbow. Lilbow getting 2 more gateways. A 1 marine drop for ForGG! Woah! ForGG getting stim and combat shields, as well as an engineering bay.
10:00 Lilbow 74 vs ForGG 86 The one marine drop goes behind the natural and then backs off. Robotics facility for Lilbow. The one marine drop denies a potential third. Scan on the main base of Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 98 vs ForGG 106 Lilbow brings another probe to the third base. ForGG getting +1 bio attack. Two medivac drop for ForGG. Third CC for ForGG. Lilbow kills the widow mines. Lilbow finally taking his third base.
12:00 Lilbow 121 vs ForGG 126 ForGG unloading his medivac behind the natural. The other drop is in the top left main.
13:00 Lilbow 138 vs ForGG 139 Lilbow has 8 HTs, one is in a warp prism. ForGG attacks the third and drops the main and natural. Lilbow kills the army in the natural and easily shuts down the other two. Storm on the main worker line of ForGG kills ~10 SCVs.
14:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 127 More zealots warping in the main of ForGG. Widow mine nearly kills a warp prism. ForGG dropping the main.
15:00 Lilbow 106 vs ForGG 134 Storms on the SCVs of ForGG. Lilbow losing all his infrastructure.
16:00 Lilbow 122 vs ForGG 139 ForGG picks up his army just in time and retreats. Lilbow has to defend his third. ForGG kills the third base of Lilbow. Both players on a 1 base economy. ForGG loses the main base drop.
18:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 106 ForGG ignoring the rocks the bottom left base and distance mining there. Lilbow retaking his third base. Three more gateways for Lilbow.
19:00 Lilbow 105 vs ForGG 128 Lilbow tried to take the 4th base and he defends it against ForGG.
20:00 Lilbow 93 vs ForGG 92 Huge storms on the army of ForGG. ForGG backs off and tries to attack again. Lilbow rebuilding his cybernetics core. ForGG has 8 medivacs.
21:00 Lilbow 81 vs ForGG 76 ForGG retook his natural. Twilight council for Lilbow. ForGG going for another attack.
22:00 Lilbow 91 vs ForGG 85 Zealot warpin at the makeshift third of ForGG. ForGG loses a bunch of units to Lilbow's units.
23:00 Lilbow 112 vs ForGG 85 ForGG mining out his natural, his main is finished. Lilbow on 3 mining bases. Dark shrine for Lilbow, he's finished his templar archives and warps in 8 HTs.
24:00 Lilbow 126 vs ForGG 101 +1/2 for ForGG. ForGG dropping a completely empty main base. Even army supplies. ForGG pushing the 4th/third base. Lilbow storming and feedbacking everything. ForGG kills the 4th/third base.
25:00 Lilbow 136 vs ForGG 89 Lilbow moving into the natural of ForGG. ForGG furiously kiting. Lilbow taking another base. Lilbow killing all the workers in the third base of ForGG.
26:00 Lilbow 120 vs ForGG 43 More storms on ForGG's army. Lilbow forces his way into the main. ForGG GG's! Lilbow wins 2-0!!
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how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran needs to win the fight convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
I think HerO opened the floodgates of warp prism storms with his series against Polt. Now everyone is going for storm against terran. Before it was just on occasion.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
Yeah, for quite a while too. I think ForGG lost all the SCVs at his natural when they had a mini base trade. ForGG killed the nexus but didn't kill many workers.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
No penalty of going blind blink / oracle / collosis / 3rd base vs instant loss if you go blind ghost vs collosis / blind viking vs templar / blind 3rd base vs blink all in or chargelot archon. ForGG played sloppy only because he didn't blind ghost after seeing blink...
ForGG is that guy who plays really well against tough opposition then rolls over to foreigners. Kinda like Bbyong. Except without the part where Bbyong plays that well his GSL performance was kind of meh.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
ForGG killed the main base and the third. Then lilbow double expanded (to third and fourth).
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
ForGG killed the main base and the third. Then lilbow double expanded (to third and fourth).
Hold on, reading my own LR so I can remember what happened.
Terran players need to take responsibility for their poor tvp results and stop whining about the spectre of 'imbalance'. Forgg played badly, that's all there is to it.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
Nope, ForGG killed that too. He was literally on 1 nexus and a bunch of Gateways for a pretty long time.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
ForGG killed the main base and the third. Then lilbow double expanded (to third and fourth).
Hold on, reading my own LR so I can remember what happened.
On February 23 2014 06:16 Fission wrote: Terran players need to take responsibility for their poor tvp results and stop whining about the spectre of 'imbalance'. Forgg played badly, that's all there is to it.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
Nope, ForGG killed that too. He was literally on 1 nexus and a bunch of Gateways for a pretty long time.
Lilbow lost his third and then took it again pretty quickly, also he lost all his gateways and rebuilt them at the third.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
On February 23 2014 06:11 arkedos wrote: how is a terran supposed to beat the warp ins. Everytime you kill the army, wooooooosh 20 zealots and they slice up the rest of your army. A terran need to win so convincingly.
But in the end the better player won and that was Lilbow. Huge props to him.
Lilbow had twice the economy of ForGG
You mean 1 nexus in the nat, no main base and no tech and half the army supply? And then he made a comeback.
He had the third the whole time, and put ForGG on just his main for quite a while before he started long distance mining from the back third.
Nope, ForGG killed that too. He was literally on 1 nexus and a bunch of Gateways for a pretty long time.
Lilbow had+1/+2 on his zealots though. It made them a lot harder to kill. I honestly feel that Lilbow won due to ForGG's mistakes rather than his own skill.
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Feel a little bad on behalf of ForGG. Guess he died along with the Hellbat nerfs Still, it's really hard not to be happy for Lilbow and XMG, nice to see a new player rise to stardom through WCS the same way Bunny did last year.
Protoss is way too forgiving. Whatever they do you can never counter attack because they already have next tech path ready to go.
Same thing happened with Flash when he tried to punish that failed proxy oracle against cc 1st, now that game on Frost as well.
If experienced terrans like ForGG and Flash can't tell when you can actually find an opening to punish protoss who is teching or expanding after a failed opening, I just don't know what to say about those games anymore.
Either all terrans are dumb noobs or there is actually no opening to find.
Not to mention how many storms protoss players have these days, EMP isn't even a counter when templars outnumber ghosts at least 2:1.... Not to mention the never dying chargelots.
Just ban me for 2 days I need a break from this. I just hope ForGG will feel better tomorrow and won't really retire that would be quite a shame.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Who knows what holes this have when the top protoss try to counter it i.e: prepare for a semi/finals
i mean: he looked good on a weekend like forgg looked good 3 weeks ago or so. Imo only Code S decides which styles are viable
On February 23 2014 06:13 Noonius wrote: I think HerO opened the floodgates of warp prism storms with his series against Polt. Now everyone is going for storm against terran. Before it was just on occasion.
It is just almost guaranteed storm damage if you do it right. You can´t EMP HTs in warp prism and it also makes it impossible to stutter step without getting stormed.
On February 23 2014 06:21 Greendotz wrote: Feel a little bad on behalf of ForGG. Guess he died along with the Hellbat nerfs Still, it's really hard not to be happy for Lilbow and XMG, nice to see a new player rise to stardom through WCS the same way Bunny did last year.
How long ago was the hellbat nerf? He looked fantastic at Asus, I'm sure he will bounce back.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
Lilbow spawns in the top BabyKnight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Gateway followed by an assimilator for both players. Second assimilator for both players.
3:00 Cybernetics core for both players. Second gateway for Lilbow. Stalker for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a mothership core and are researching warp gate. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Sentry for Lilbow. Lilbow expanding. A second sentry for Lilbow.
5:00 Lilbow getting another gateway. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a phoenix. Lilbow getting a robotics facility.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
And they just die to zealots instead of morphing into nuclear bomb.
I had to stop watching for a bit to do other stuff, come back, check score, see forGG left. Went to this thread expecting people ragequitting because the favourite Korean of the group was beaten, didn't leave dissapointed.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
Polt's army movement is extremely different from any other terran's. He seems to keep 1 more army subgroup than whatever the P has - 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2, etc, and constantly survey for tiny little cracks in the P defense. Most good terrans (even code S level) are still playing for head-on engagements, whereas Polt is playing with bio the way Life plays with lings.
Lilbow spawns in the top BabyKnight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Gateway followed by an assimilator for both players. Second assimilator for both players.
3:00 Cybernetics core for both players. Second gateway for Lilbow. Stalker for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a mothership core and are researching warp gate. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Sentry for Lilbow. Lilbow expanding. A second sentry for Lilbow.
5:00 Lilbow getting another gateway. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a phoenix. Lilbow getting a robotics facility.
6:15 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 38 Immortal for Lilbow. BabyKnight has three phoenixes and is getting another. BabyKnight pressuring.
7:15 Lilbow 48 vs BabyKnight 48 Lilbow puts an overcharge on the nexus. BabyKnight still producing phoenixes.
8:00 Lilbow 56 vs BabyKnight 56 Phoenixes moving into the main but doesn't lift an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural expansion. Lilbow kills everything but the phoenixes and keeps an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural again and kills the immortal, but loses more units.
9:45 Lilbow 52 vs BabyKnight 46 BabyKnight expanding. Lilbow still taking shots at the phoenixes. BabyKnight lifts the sentry and kills it.
10:30 Lilbow 57 vs BabyKnight 50 Twilight council for Lilbow. Robotics facility on the way for BabyKnight. Blink on the way for Lilbow.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
Polt's army movement is extremely different from any other terran's. He seems to keep 1 more army subgroup than whatever the P has - 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2, etc, and constantly survey for tiny little cracks in the P defense. Most good terrans (even code S level) are still playing for head-on engagements, whereas Polt is playing with bio the way Life plays with lings.
Yeah, it's kind of scary because normally small groups of bio get eaten by protoss balls, but I guess the trick is to never actually engage and just pull the Protoss apart. Easier said than done I suppose, but I still feel like Korean Terrans should be able to pick up that style...
On February 23 2014 06:21 Tzuborg wrote: I guess Lilbowwow is just simply better than ForGG. As Desrow is better than Apocalypse.
Exactly!
He certainly played better
Definitely in the Daedalus game. The Yeonsu game however...
I mean, he held off the two drops plus pressure without taking damage and was quite a bit ahead on three bases versus two and with upgrade lead. Then they semi-baseraced but lilbow stayed ahead on economy, had enough to defend his natural and had a massive bank that finally translated into a victory after he stabilized.
Many protosses have died to terran drops (and doom drops), but lilbow was able to defend well enough AND to keep up pressure on forGG at the same time. I think he deserved the win, and he was quite far ahead before forGG's doom drop (and that advantage won him the game in the end).
That doesn't mean he wasn't favored by game-balance from the start, though
When I saw R1ch introduce the reports stats I was getting kinda worried that reports will spike up just for the stats :D. Guess most people didn't know about it though.
On February 23 2014 06:21 Greendotz wrote: Feel a little bad on behalf of ForGG. Guess he died along with the Hellbat nerfs Still, it's really hard not to be happy for Lilbow and XMG, nice to see a new player rise to stardom through WCS the same way Bunny did last year.
How long ago was the hellbat nerf? He looked fantastic at Asus, I'm sure he will bounce back.
True, he's still a competent pro, he never fell into obscurity (and probably never will) but it's a far cry from the time during the ForGGedon when he had something ridiculous like an 80% win rate and a 95% TvT in professional competition.
On February 23 2014 06:31 Musicus wrote: When I saw R1ch introduce the reports stats I was getting kinda worried that reports will spike up just for the stats :D. Guess most people didn't know about it though.
Well it actually also encourages you to be careful what you report so you have a better actioned percentage.
Lilbow spawns in the top BabyKnight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Gateway followed by an assimilator for both players. Second assimilator for both players.
3:00 Cybernetics core for both players. Second gateway for Lilbow. Stalker for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a mothership core and are researching warp gate. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Sentry for Lilbow. Lilbow expanding. A second sentry for Lilbow.
5:00 Lilbow getting another gateway. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a phoenix. Lilbow getting a robotics facility.
6:15 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 38 Immortal for Lilbow. BabyKnight has three phoenixes and is getting another. BabyKnight pressuring.
7:15 Lilbow 48 vs BabyKnight 48 Lilbow puts an overcharge on the nexus. BabyKnight still producing phoenixes.
8:00 Lilbow 56 vs BabyKnight 56 Phoenixes moving into the main but doesn't lift an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural expansion. Lilbow kills everything but the phoenixes and keeps an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural again and kills the immortal, but loses more units.
9:45 Lilbow 52 vs BabyKnight 46 BabyKnight expanding. Lilbow still taking shots at the phoenixes. BabyKnight lifts the sentry and kills it.
10:30 Lilbow 57 vs BabyKnight 50 Twilight council for Lilbow. Robotics facility on the way for BabyKnight. Blink on the way for Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 68 vs BabyKnight 63 BabyKnight kills another worker with his phoenixes. Lilbow is banking up money. Immortal production for BabyKnight. Lilbow getting two more gateways.
12:00 Lilbow 78 vs BabyKnight 67 BabyKnight kills another worker with the phoenixes. Lilbow moving out with his stalkers. Phoenixes moving into the natural and killing ten more workers uncontested.
13:00 Lilbow 86 vs BabyKnight 86 Lilbow blinks into the main and forces an overcharge and kills a gateway. Lilbow blinks back down and then blinks onto the army of BabyKnight. BabyKnight loses two immortals.
14:00 Lilbow 71 vs BabyKnight 70 Lilbow not remaking his probes, but he actually is ahead in workers. BabyKnight still building phoenixes and immortals. Mothership core of BabyKnight dies.
15:00 Lilbow 81 vs BabyKnight 77 Lilbow warps in some zealots. BabyKnight has three immortals now. Lilbow harassing the main but not getting much done.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
On February 23 2014 06:10 DaedricTV wrote: In before people complain about Protoss instead of pointing out that it's ForGG's fault he lost.
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
Polt's army movement is extremely different from any other terran's. He seems to keep 1 more army subgroup than whatever the P has - 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2, etc, and constantly survey for tiny little cracks in the P defense. Most good terrans (even code S level) are still playing for head-on engagements, whereas Polt is playing with bio the way Life plays with lings.
Yeah, it's kind of scary because normally small groups of bio get eaten by protoss balls, but I guess the trick is to never actually engage and just pull the Protoss apart. Easier said than done I suppose, but I still feel like Korean Terrans should be able to pick up that style...
And I used to think Protoss should all be able to Soul Train like Parting, but that has never happened.
Lilbow spawns in the top BabyKnight spawns in the bottom
2:00 Gateway followed by an assimilator for both players. Second assimilator for both players.
3:00 Cybernetics core for both players. Second gateway for Lilbow. Stalker for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a mothership core and are researching warp gate. BabyKnight getting a stargate. Sentry for Lilbow. Lilbow expanding. A second sentry for Lilbow.
5:00 Lilbow getting another gateway. Two more gateways for BabyKnight. BabyKnight getting a phoenix. Lilbow getting a robotics facility.
6:15 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 38 Immortal for Lilbow. BabyKnight has three phoenixes and is getting another. BabyKnight pressuring.
7:15 Lilbow 48 vs BabyKnight 48 Lilbow puts an overcharge on the nexus. BabyKnight still producing phoenixes.
8:00 Lilbow 56 vs BabyKnight 56 Phoenixes moving into the main but doesn't lift an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural expansion. Lilbow kills everything but the phoenixes and keeps an immortal. BabyKnight moving into the natural again and kills the immortal, but loses more units.
9:45 Lilbow 52 vs BabyKnight 46 BabyKnight expanding. Lilbow still taking shots at the phoenixes. BabyKnight lifts the sentry and kills it.
10:30 Lilbow 57 vs BabyKnight 50 Twilight council for Lilbow. Robotics facility on the way for BabyKnight. Blink on the way for Lilbow.
11:00 Lilbow 68 vs BabyKnight 63 BabyKnight kills another worker with his phoenixes. Lilbow is banking up money. Immortal production for BabyKnight. Lilbow getting two more gateways.
12:00 Lilbow 78 vs BabyKnight 67 BabyKnight kills another worker with the phoenixes. Lilbow moving out with his stalkers. Phoenixes moving into the natural and killing ten more workers uncontested.
13:00 Lilbow 86 vs BabyKnight 86 Lilbow blinks into the main and forces an overcharge and kills a gateway. Lilbow blinks back down and then blinks onto the army of BabyKnight. BabyKnight loses two immortals.
14:00 Lilbow 71 vs BabyKnight 70 Lilbow not remaking his probes, but he actually is ahead in workers. BabyKnight still building phoenixes and immortals. Mothership core of BabyKnight dies.
15:00 Lilbow 81 vs BabyKnight 77 Lilbow warps in some zealots. BabyKnight has three immortals now. Lilbow harassing the main but not getting much done.
16:00 Lilbow 89 vs BabyKnight 90 Forge for Lilbow. Lilbow getting a third base. BabyKnight moving out.
18:00 Lilbow 119 vs BabyKnight 108 BabyKnight lifting more workers in the main of Lilbow. The third base of Lilbow is seen.
19:00 Lilbow 125 vs BabyKnight 108 Charge just starting for Lilbow. BabyKnight FF's off all the zealots of Lilbow. BabyKnight doesn't kill the nexus and the FF's expire. Lilbow has so many zealots that he can kill all the immortals.
20:00 Lilbow 90 vs BabyKnight 62 BabyKnight GG's! Lilbow takes a 1-0 lead!
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On February 23 2014 06:11 shockaslim wrote: [quote]
Well it is always the losers fault that they lost. Thats a loaded statement.
Yeah, ForGG definitely played subpar, but why is no one willing to admit that it's a little silly how Terran can never counter Protoss aggression?
Every terran plays silly TvP. They should just play macro games and win, unfortunately there is not a single player that can pull it off.
I guess in this instance after the pseudo-base race ForGG was not in the best position to macro, but yeah... the trouble is, you either play greedy and get all-ined, or live in fear of the all-in and fall behind in macro. Or well, I think Polt strikes a nice balance, and I really don't get why more Terrans don't play like him, because his style doesn't seem that hard to be honest.
Polt slept 3 hours a day to create that style. I'm pretty sure its difficult to pull off.
Haha yeah, I don't mean that it's super easy to play the way he does, but at the same time it doesn't look super flashy or complicated. He doesn't have to split like Maru, his play is just very tactically solid. Been trying to learn his style recently, but since I'm a scrub I haven't yet had success with it but I feel like pro Terrans should be able to learn it, no?
Polt's advantages come from two things: His tactical decisions and his hyper map awareness.
His units are always in the right place at the right time and he is able to see the map without using actual scouts or scans. Its not something you can just grind out from endless practice or we would have seen another Terran at least play somewhat similar to him by now.
The only other Terran that I know plays like that is Ryung when hes in extremely good form. Thats it.
Polt's army movement is extremely different from any other terran's. He seems to keep 1 more army subgroup than whatever the P has - 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2, etc, and constantly survey for tiny little cracks in the P defense. Most good terrans (even code S level) are still playing for head-on engagements, whereas Polt is playing with bio the way Life plays with lings.
Yeah, it's kind of scary because normally small groups of bio get eaten by protoss balls, but I guess the trick is to never actually engage and just pull the Protoss apart. Easier said than done I suppose, but I still feel like Korean Terrans should be able to pick up that style...
And I used to think Protoss should all be able to Soul Train like Parting, but that has never happened.
Or Zergs to use lings like Life or play like Soulkey. If you watch Soulkey games, no one aspect is overwhelming hard to do. It is the entire package.
Lilbow is impressive all over today, good decision making, taking no hostages! BBK better be on top of his game or it is challenger league for him coming up quickly!
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
If you have the report button, there is a new stats page in your profile for "My Reports". Example - 27% of my reports (roughly) have no action taken.
I should work on that, increase my quality of reports.
Thank you.
On February 23 2014 06:25 felisconcolori wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:24 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
Nope no reporting stats you shouldn't report people waste of your time just let me know and I'll report them.
Lies. You should tell ME, so I can take care of it for you. You can't trust Darkhorse, he'll drop an a on you or something.
Yeah, I know, he is´nt trustworthy, he dislikes Round Robin.
YOU MEAN THE DEVIL'S FORMAT?!
Be careful man, you might get reported for writing in all caps, and I can´t convince you, that RR is a far superior format, if you get banned.
Which brings me to an interesting point, if I am not allowed to report people, when you are around, how am I supposed to report you, when I get angry in format discussions?
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
If you have the report button, there is a new stats page in your profile for "My Reports". Example - 27% of my reports (roughly) have no action taken.
I should work on that, increase my quality of reports.
Thank you.
On February 23 2014 06:25 felisconcolori wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:24 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
Nope no reporting stats you shouldn't report people waste of your time just let me know and I'll report them.
Lies. You should tell ME, so I can take care of it for you. You can't trust Darkhorse, he'll drop an a on you or something.
Yeah, I know, he is´nt trustworthy, he dislikes Round Robin.
YOU MEAN THE DEVIL'S FORMAT?!
Be careful man, you might get reported for writing in all caps, and I can´t convince you, that RR is a far superior format, if you get banned.
Which brings me to an interesting point, if I am not allowed to report people, when you are around, how am I supposed to report you, when I get angry in format discussions?
You're allowed to report me. Better you than someone else.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
I feel more and more terran pros try to pressure without ghosts or delay them hardcore. This opens up the possibility to make comments like "make more ravens ghosts, dumbass!" Let's just ignore the fact that ghosts slow down aggressive play, make the T put his finger of the trigger and let toss get their dream unit comp.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
Ghosts are expensive, fragile casters that need to be in the front lines... That is already a big disadvantage...
Lilbow spawns in the top right BabyKnight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Lilbow proxying a pylon in the natural of BabyKnight. Gateway for Lilbow, and the probe goes back home. BabyKnight getting his gateway at almost the same time.
2:00 Gas for both players. BabyKnight scouting for cannons in his main base. BabyKnight got a second gas. Chronoboost on the gateway of Lilbow. BabyKnight didn't get a zealot.
3:00 BabyKnight sees the gateway. Zealots go into the main base but are only killing one probe.
4:00 Third zealot for Lilbow. BabyKnight finishes his stalker faster.
5:00 Both players getting two more gateways but Lilbow's are 30 seconds faster. BabyKnight kills all the units of Lilbow.
6:00 Robotics facility for BabyKnight. Lilbow going 4-gate but is defensive.
7:00 BabyKnight going for an attack with a proxy pylon. Lilbow trying to kill the stalkers but BabyKnight warps in more.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
Ghosts are expensive, fragile casters that need to be in the front lines... That is already a big disadvantage...
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
Ghosts are expensive, fragile casters that need to be in the front lines... That is already a big disadvantage...
And override the stim command
That is the worst part. You mean I can't hotkey my entire army together and have no spells conflict? imba.
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
If you have the report button, there is a new stats page in your profile for "My Reports". Example - 27% of my reports (roughly) have no action taken.
I should work on that, increase my quality of reports.
Thank you.
On February 23 2014 06:25 felisconcolori wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:24 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Fucking people taking easy reports I need to pad my stats.
There are reporting stats? Where can you see them?
Nope no reporting stats you shouldn't report people waste of your time just let me know and I'll report them.
Lies. You should tell ME, so I can take care of it for you. You can't trust Darkhorse, he'll drop an a on you or something.
Yeah, I know, he is´nt trustworthy, he dislikes Round Robin.
YOU MEAN THE DEVIL'S FORMAT?!
Be careful man, you might get reported for writing in all caps, and I can´t convince you, that RR is a far superior format, if you get banned.
Which brings me to an interesting point, if I am not allowed to report people, when you are around, how am I supposed to report you, when I get angry in format discussions?
You're allowed to report me. Better you than someone else.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Every unit has pros and cons but ghost has to be perfect.
Ghosts are expensive, fragile casters that need to be in the front lines... That is already a big disadvantage...
And override the stim command
please just press tab or get the at a seperate hotkey
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
Lilbow spawns in the top right BabyKnight spawns in the bottom left
1:00 Lilbow proxying a pylon in the natural of BabyKnight. Gateway for Lilbow, and the probe goes back home. BabyKnight getting his gateway at almost the same time.
2:00 Gas for both players. BabyKnight scouting for cannons in his main base. BabyKnight got a second gas. Chronoboost on the gateway of Lilbow. BabyKnight didn't get a zealot.
3:00 BabyKnight sees the gateway. Zealots go into the main base but are only killing one probe.
4:00 Third zealot for Lilbow. BabyKnight finishes his stalker faster.
5:00 Both players getting two more gateways but Lilbow's are 30 seconds faster. BabyKnight kills all the units of Lilbow.
6:00 Robotics facility for BabyKnight. Lilbow going 4-gate but is defensive.
7:00 BabyKnight going for an attack with a proxy pylon. Lilbow trying to kill the stalkers but BabyKnight warps in more.
8:00 Lilbow 31 vs BabyKnight 38 Lilbow still trying to micro against the units of BabyKnight. Lilbow getting lots of zealots.
9:00 Lilbow 35 vs BabyKnight 35 Lilbow holds off the pressure! BabyKnight getting a twilight council. Lilbow going for aggression.
10:00 Lilbow 37 vs BabyKnight 39 Photon overcharge on the main nexus. Lilbow is very zealot heavy. BabyKnight is all stalkers. BabyKnight getting blink.
11:00 Lilbow 41 vs BabyKnight 42 Photon overcharge fades. All of BabyKnight's units have very low health.
12:00 Lilbow 41 vs BabyKnight 49 Zealots vs stalkers. Blink finishes for BabyKnight.
13:00 Lilbow 39 vs BabyKnight 47 Mothership core nearly finishes. Lilbow kills a bunch of probes but loses all his units. Lilbow GG's! BabyKnight ties it up 1-1.
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On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
Would be cool if they just made snipe immune to massive units and make it 50 damage.
I mean you don´t use a sniper to take down a massive targets that can take a lot of fire power. There are other guns for that purpose like machine guns.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
you cant snipe probes
Not only that, it'd be dumb to snipe probes when ghosts can slaughter probes with just their regular attack.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
you cant snipe probes
Not only that, it'd be dumb to snipe probes when ghosts can slaughter probes with just their regular attack.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
you cant snipe probes
SEE? imba
reported for balance whine
Wow the shoe is one the other table, which has turned.
On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote: It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always?
I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras.
loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too.
Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry.
I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps.
Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran.
Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that.
Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes.
you cant snipe probes
SEE? imba
reported for balance whine
Dude, what? Did´nt you read his comments? I am the ONLY one allowed to report him, don´t steal him from me!
Lilbow spawns in the bottom BabyKnight spawns in the top
2:00 BabyKnight scouting his main base. Both players getting a gateway followed by two refineries. Cybernetics core for both players.
3:00 Sentry for Lilbow, being chronoboosted. BabyKnight getting a stalker. BabyKnight scouting the main of Lilbow.
4:00 Mothership core for both players. Both players getting a twilight council. Second gateway for Lilbow.
5:00 Both players putting probes on the right side of the map. Both players getting blink. BabyKnight getting two more gateways.
6:00 Lilbow 34 vs BabyKnight 34 Third gateway for Lilbow. Both players getting a robotics facility. BabyKnight being aggressive with 6 stalkers.
7:00 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 42 Lilbow getting an immortal. Lilbow loses a stalker to BabyKnight before blink is ready.
8:00 Lilbow 50 vs BabyKnight 48 BabyKnight backs off when Lilbow pushes him out. Lilbow sitting in his own time warp.
9:00 Lilbow 58 vs BabyKnight 58 Lilbow moving out. BabyKnight moving into the main. Lilbow recalls. BabyKnight kills the robotics facility.
10:00 Lilbow 47 vs BabyKnight 62 Lilbow getting a dark shrine. BabyKnight expanding. BabyKnight getting an immortal.
11:00 Lilbow 64 vs BabyKnight 74 DTs being warped in. DT going into the main base, where there is no detection. Chronoboost on the robotics facility.
12:00 Lilbow 74 vs BabyKnight 72 Lilbow kills a lot of workers and then goes for an attack.
13:00 Lilbow 76 vs BabyKnight 86 Lilbow backs off. BabyKnight gets a third immortal. Photon overcharge is on the natural of BabyKnight.
14:00 Lilbow 86 vs BabyKnight 94 Lilbow moves into the natural of BabyKnight. Kaelaris's computer crashes. Anyway... Lilbow blinks into the natural. BabyKnight easily holds. Lilbow GG's! BabyKnight wins 2-1!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
This guy can very well be the best foreigner right now. First time I watched him, but for sure not the last! I'm talking about Vasa, though Lilbow isn't far behind.
On February 23 2014 03:19 kc2siq wrote: Man, went to the german stream when the main stream went down the first time for me.
Gotta say, didn't realize Naruto was so handsome. o-O Always imagined him as a German nerdy grease haired look.
what the
But he thinks you're handsome now! Take what you can get
At least something, yea
still better dont talk to often on stream that you went to krefeld and what bakery you went by etc otherwise you have alot of that fanboys out of your flat ^^
On February 23 2014 07:27 Drake wrote: damn between i went out and coming back it seems i went in a paralel universe ... only reason for me why forgg is last even behind lilbow ^^
On February 23 2014 08:20 RaiderRyan wrote: yeah, I mean as a terran, Id love to use Forgg vs lilbow as an example of protoss imba but forgg played so bad you cant even do that!!
To be honest, you make it sound like lilbow played well when he played like garbage too.
On February 23 2014 08:20 RaiderRyan wrote: yeah, I mean as a terran, Id love to use Forgg vs lilbow as an example of protoss imba but forgg played so bad you cant even do that!!
To be honest, you make it sound like lilbow played well when he played like garbage too.
On February 23 2014 07:27 Drake wrote: damn between i went out and coming back it seems i went in a paralel universe ... only reason for me why forgg is last even behind lilbow ^^
On February 23 2014 03:19 kc2siq wrote: Man, went to the german stream when the main stream went down the first time for me.
Gotta say, didn't realize Naruto was so handsome. o-O Always imagined him as a German nerdy grease haired look.
what the
But he thinks you're handsome now! Take what you can get
At least something, yea
still better dont talk to often on stream that you went to krefeld and what bakery you went by etc otherwise you have alot of that fanboys out of your flat ^^
On February 23 2014 07:27 Drake wrote: damn between i went out and coming back it seems i went in a paralel universe ... only reason for me why forgg is last even behind lilbow ^^
On February 23 2014 07:26 NarutO wrote:
On February 23 2014 07:24 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 23 2014 07:19 NarutO wrote:
On February 23 2014 03:19 kc2siq wrote: Man, went to the german stream when the main stream went down the first time for me.
Gotta say, didn't realize Naruto was so handsome. o-O Always imagined him as a German nerdy grease haired look.
what the
But he thinks you're handsome now! Take what you can get
At least something, yea
still better dont talk to often on stream that you went to krefeld and what bakery you went by etc otherwise you have alot of that fanboys out of your flat ^^
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