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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:17 raga4ka wrote: Not really , if True just took out the third , before attacking at the natural he was in a fine position ... Yeah thats why I thought he should have done aswell. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
i love PvP, so im not actually sad about this =P | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:20 mqto wrote: He would have won both games easily with swarmhosts after he got ahead. Why try to be aggressive when it's not possible in zvp. Forcefield in ramp, nexus cannon, recall... When did he get ahead? He was behind in both games, maybe apart from the short time in g3 after the gateway allin was defended. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:22 Big J wrote: When did he get ahead? He was behind in both games, maybe apart from the short time in g3 after the gateway allin was defended. eh he was pretty clearly ahead for both games 2/3 until he started attacking and losing too much | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:22 Faruko wrote: So far, out of the 10 possibles players to advance, 7 Protoss, 2 Zergs and theres still a spot for a T, P or Z i love PvP, so im not actually sad about this =P Well, it improved a lot. I remember that Seed - MC finals, god people were more disgusted by this match-up back then than in the current season, though we had way less PvPs  | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:23 Ragnarork wrote: Well, it improved a lot. I remember that Seed - MC finals, god people were more disgusted by this match-up back then than in the current season, though we had way less PvPs ooh Seed - MC, the battle of LAZORS PvP was meh back then IMO | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:20 mqto wrote: He would have won both games easily with swarmhosts after he got ahead. Why try to be aggressive when it's not possible in zvp. Forcefield in ramp, nexus cannon, recall... Sad but true. Same with PvT as well. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Interesting....music if by interesting you mean annoying then yes | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:19 Exarl25 wrote: True could have built a Spire at one of his other bases just before the Lair died. Not uncommon for Zerg to do that kind of thing, Mutas can win games single handed. PartinG also didn't know that True's gas income was complete shit. He didn't have a need to fear Roaches at that point if he was confident in his control (and c'mon it's fucking PartinG) so the Phoenixes were to lock the game down 100% My overall point is just that you don't win with Mutas from behind, its not a thing that ever works mutas are something you do when you are even or ahead but as behind as he was there was no way he was ever going to have enough mutas to be significant in the game. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:23 opterown wrote: eh he was pretty clearly ahead for both games 2/3 until he started attacking and losing too much his worker count was bad, his tech nonexistent and he had no upgrades in both of them. Only thing he was ahead was supply, which is completely standard for roachplay against Protoss. He wasn't in a bad spot sometimes, but ahead... Like in g2 he had 100 vs 70 supply at best. With slow roach, no lair against a robo Protoss. | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:26 Big J wrote: his worker count was bad, his tech nonexistent and he had no upgrades in both of them. Only thing he was ahead was supply, which is completely standard for roachplay against Protoss. He wasn't in a bad spot sometimes, but ahead... Like in g2 he had 100 vs 70 supply at best. With slow roach, no lair against a robo Protoss. Ya I was thinking that in game 2 he was never really ahead. But at the same time, you could argue he did almost end up winning it. I don't know who wins 9 muta vs 11 sentry + 1 stalker. Although Parting did have hallucination + he might be able to kill all buildings anyway. I wish we could snapshot that game right after True killed the immortals. If he had started droning right away into muta, I wonder if that would have worked. I don't think Partings immortal push would have been any quicker that it was, because to hold off True he was building the sentries he was gonna build anyway. Anyway, hoping for Bbyong to advance outa the group! | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
Simplistic and false. There are lots of aggressive timings, especially with hydras, that have worked well in ZvP and the aggressive multitask heavy Terrans seems to do the best in PvT. | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:25 Undead1993 wrote: if by interesting you mean annoying then yes can you do Live Reports more posts then one? The one-post thing is more of a small write-up we do when nobody is live reporting. It's better to do it in a bunch of posts throughout the game so that the people who only read the thread and can't watch are updated on what happens during the game. Also will you do the next ones as well? Or is teamamerica going to do that? | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:30 Yello wrote: can you do Live Reports more posts then one? The one-post thing is more of a small write-up we do when nobody is live reporting. It's better to do it in a bunch of posts throughout the game so that the people who only read the thread and can't watch are updated on what happens during the game. Also will you do the next ones as well? Or is teamamerica going to do that? I'll LR report the next one either way. I'll try and do live updates, but I have only one monitor so it might not be as crisp as these other LR bonwjas make it. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:26 Big J wrote: his worker count was bad, his tech nonexistent and he had no upgrades in both of them. Only thing he was ahead was supply, which is completely standard for roachplay against Protoss. He wasn't in a bad spot sometimes, but ahead... Like in g2 he had 100 vs 70 supply at best. With slow roach, no lair against a robo Protoss. after he killed a bunch of immortals and sentries he could've just saved the army and drone/tech to muta. Instead he threw all his units and died to the counter. I think it could be called "ahead", but not by much | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 19 2014 20:29 teamamerica wrote: Ya I was thinking that in game 2 he was never really ahead. But at the same time, you could argue he did almost end up winning it. I don't know who wins 9 muta vs 11 sentry + 1 stalker. Although Parting did have hallucination + he might be able to kill all buildings anyway. I wish we could snapshot that game right after True killed the immortals. If he had started droning right away into muta, I wonder if that would have worked. I don't think Partings immortal push would have been any quicker that it was, because to hold off True he was building the sentries he was gonna build anyway. Anyway, hoping for Bbyong to advance outa the group! yeah. I think for how the games set up (roach/ling rally in g2; defending the gateway push after falling behind due to the canonrush, late third) he did a lot of right moves. There may have been one or two situations (like after killing the immortals) where another way would have been possible, but I'd question that it is definitely better than what he did. | ||
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
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