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[SPL] Round 1 Race Wars: TvP & TvZ

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Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 19:50:41
February 16 2014 11:52 GMT
#1
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Monday, Feb 17 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Race_War



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[image loading] (T)Flash <Yeonsu> [image loading] (Z)Solar
[image loading] (T)TY <Frost> [image loading] (Z)RorO
[image loading] (T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> [image loading] (Z)Soulkey
<The King Sejong Station>
<Outboxer>



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[image loading] (T)TY <The King Sejong Station> [image loading] (P)herO
[image loading] (T)Maru <Yeonsu> [image loading] (P)Creator
[image loading] (T)Flash <Outboxer> [image loading] (P)PartinG
<Bel'Shir Vestige>
<Frost>



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(T)Flash <Yeonsu> (Z)Solar

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(T)TY <Frost> (Z)RorO

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
(T)Flash <The King Sejong Station> (Z)Soulkey

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
<Outboxer>


+ Show Spoiler [Terran vs. Protoss] +
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
(T)TY <The King Sejong Station> (P)herO

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
(T)Maru <Yeonsu> (P)Creator

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(T)Flash <Outboxer> (P)PartinG

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (P)herO

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
<Frost>




+ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +

Terran vs. Zerg
(T)Flash <Yeonsu> (Z)Solar
(T)TY <Frost> (Z)RorO
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Soulkey
(T)Flash <The King Sejong Station> (Z)Soulkey
<Outboxer>



Zergs wins 3-1!



Terran vs. Protoss
(T)TY <The King Sejong Station> (P)herO
(T)Maru <Yeonsu> (P)Creator
(T)Flash <Outboxer> (P)PartinG
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (P)herO
<Frost>



Protoss wins 3-1!





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+ Show Spoiler [Terran vs. Zerg Games 1-3] +
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
7%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
 
21%

★★★ - Good game (13)
 
46%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
21%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12)
 
75%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
19%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
15%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
15%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (7)
 
54%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
 
15%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what



+ Show Spoiler [Terran vs. Zerg Games 4-5] +
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
64%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
27%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
14%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
14%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
43%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
14%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what



+ Show Spoiler [Terran vs. Protoss Games 1-3] +
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 1?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (4)
 
24%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
 
29%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
41%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
 
33%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
11%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
11%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
 
13%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
47%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
20%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what



+ Show Spoiler [Terran vs. Protoss Games 4-5] +
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
18%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
18%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
55%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
17%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
33%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what






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Terran vs. Zerg
Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5

Terran vs. Protoss
Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5



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Terran vs. Zerg
gb Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
kr Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5

Terran vs. Protoss
gb Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
kr Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:52:31
February 16 2014 11:52 GMT
#2
Poll: Head?

Terrans (74)
 
58%

Zergs (53)
 
42%

127 total votes

Your vote: Head?

(Vote): Terrans
(Vote): Zergs


Poll: Heart?

Terrans (71)
 
58%

Zergs (52)
 
42%

123 total votes

Your vote: Heart?

(Vote): Terrans
(Vote): Zergs



Poll: Head?

Protosses (102)
 
69%

Terrans (45)
 
31%

147 total votes

Your vote: Head?

(Vote): Terrans
(Vote): Protosses


Poll: Heart?

Terrans (113)
 
75%

Protosses (37)
 
25%

150 total votes

Your vote: Heart?

(Vote): Terrans
(Vote): Protosses

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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 16 2014 11:53 GMT
#3
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 16 2014 11:55 GMT
#4
Shine I wanted to see 10pools !
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 11:55 GMT
#5
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 16 2014 11:56 GMT
#6
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?
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theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
February 16 2014 11:57 GMT
#7
I fear the shitstorm if protoss wins :/
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 11:59 GMT
#8
On February 16 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?

Who else?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 16 2014 12:01 GMT
#9
On February 16 2014 20:59 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?

Who else?


No one obviously
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
February 16 2014 12:19 GMT
#10
On February 16 2014 20:53 opterown wrote:
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!

Probably Dream League format.
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Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
February 16 2014 12:40 GMT
#11
Terra Team FTW!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 16 2014 13:52 GMT
#12
On February 16 2014 20:59 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?

Who else?

KT Action
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
February 16 2014 14:41 GMT
#13
Woot Creator???
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 16 2014 21:50 GMT
#14
On February 16 2014 22:52 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:59 Lorning wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?

Who else?

KT Action


He's busy giving directive to hitman... for his... other business
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
February 16 2014 22:27 GMT
#15
Waaat no classic or rain?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 16 2014 22:34 GMT
#16
they're overseas
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effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
February 16 2014 22:37 GMT
#17
Thought it was fun 3on3 lol
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
February 16 2014 23:10 GMT
#18
Sick line up. Shame I have an interview tomorrow.. :/
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 00:13:24
February 17 2014 00:12 GMT
#19
Oh, I thought we were supposed to vote for 1 of each race. I guess they chose top 3 per race?

Edit: Ah, it was advertised as top 3 per race. Nice
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 01:20:23
February 17 2014 01:17 GMT
#20
Well Creator won't beat Maru, that's one thing :D But I do have some faith in my two other protoss brethren

Is there a specific reason why Creator is playing this? No disrespect to him but in HotS he looks a fair bit out of his league (especially for PvT)
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 01:23:13
February 17 2014 01:22 GMT
#21
only herO (as protoss) had more wins than creator in regular season, a bit unexpected aye ;p
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
February 17 2014 02:32 GMT
#22
On February 16 2014 20:53 opterown wrote:
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!

Where did you find this information?
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 17 2014 02:38 GMT
#23
On February 17 2014 11:32 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:53 opterown wrote:
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!

Where did you find this information?


Special leagues usually were like this

For example

herO > Flash
PartinG < Maru
Creator < TY

for the all kill part it will be herO vs Maru and TY

herO > TY
herO < Maru

something like that
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 02:42 GMT
#24
On February 17 2014 11:32 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:53 opterown wrote:
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!

Where did you find this information?

https://www.facebook.com/sc2Proleague?fref=ts
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 17 2014 02:44 GMT
#25
On February 17 2014 11:38 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 11:32 Seeker wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:53 opterown wrote:
apparently the format is "Best of 3 / Entry + all kill formatch" which i'm not quite sure how to interpret, but there's been like barely any coverage so let's get the thread up for tomorrow!

Where did you find this information?


Special leagues usually were like this

For example

herO > Flash
PartinG < Maru
Creator < TY

for the all kill part it will be herO vs Maru and TY

herO > TY
herO < Maru

something like that

euh, so the one winner has to win vs both the winners for his team to win in the winners league format?
:D
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 03:13:37
February 17 2014 02:46 GMT
#26
NVM. This makes no sense.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 02:48 GMT
#27
that would take a boatload of time, they've only allocated 1.5hrs for each thing
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 17 2014 02:49 GMT
#28
That can't work, that would be possible 50 games on one day :D
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 17 2014 02:49 GMT
#29
oh wow that is even more insane
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 02:57 GMT
#30
This would be great if there would really be that many games haha. I wouldn't complain.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 17 2014 02:59 GMT
#31
As much as I'd like it, Allkill BO5 is impossible.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
February 17 2014 03:01 GMT
#32
Meh. It's just what I think they're saying. I don't know how it's Bo3 when they say 5전 3선 승제 승자 연전 방식. There's a 5 in there :/
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 17 2014 03:03 GMT
#33
Well the format I posted is a best of 5 (it will always be a best of 5), so maybe that's what they mean?
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Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
February 17 2014 03:04 GMT
#34
On February 17 2014 11:57 ZenithM wrote:
This would be great if there would really be that many games haha. I wouldn't complain.

Just imagine 50 PvZ, and Swarm hosts in all of them.

That would be glorious, but I think many people would die during the matches :/
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 17 2014 03:14 GMT
#35
On February 17 2014 12:04 Tamagoshi wrote:
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On February 17 2014 11:57 ZenithM wrote:
This would be great if there would really be that many games haha. I wouldn't complain.

Just imagine 50 PvZ, and Swarm hosts in all of them.

That would be glorious, but I think many people would die during the matches :/


5 Flash vs RorO 2 hr mech vs SH games
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Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
February 17 2014 03:19 GMT
#36
On February 17 2014 12:14 lichter wrote:
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On February 17 2014 12:04 Tamagoshi wrote:
On February 17 2014 11:57 ZenithM wrote:
This would be great if there would really be that many games haha. I wouldn't complain.

Just imagine 50 PvZ, and Swarm hosts in all of them.

That would be glorious, but I think many people would die during the matches :/


5 Flash vs RorO 2 hr mech vs SH games

9 Flash vs RorO 2 hr mech vs SH games actually, due to four of the games ending in a draw
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 03:22:40
February 17 2014 03:20 GMT
#37
On February 17 2014 12:01 Seeker wrote:
Meh. It's just what I think they're saying. I don't know how it's Bo3 when they say 5전 3선 승제 승자 연전 방식. There's a 5 in there :/

Hmm, I don't know, you're the translator here, but google translate gives me this: "Winner of five out of five three-game series way line", which I can understand as Best of 5 matches, each match a Bo3. That is to say, the format you described, only with Bo3, which sounds reasonable, right? (In all-kill format for player selection, of course).

Edit: I mean, it's either that, or 3 Bo5 between each pair of players :D
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February 17 2014 03:22 GMT
#38
no way you can fit 6-10 BO3s in one night though
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France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 03:26 GMT
#39
So, I guess it's 3 Bo1? If this is 1 hour and a half, that's the only choice right?
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 03:28:00
February 17 2014 03:27 GMT
#40
Let's just wait 6 hours. SPL will show us what the actual format is as the matches progress.
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 03:28 GMT
#41
i'm thinking dreamleague format

Terran 1 < Protoss 1
Terran 2 > Protoss 2
Terran 3 > Protoss 3

Terran 2 < Protoss 1
Terran 3 > Protoss 1

Terran wins! sort of a mix between SPL and GSTL formats
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Profile Joined May 2010
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February 17 2014 03:34 GMT
#42
PvZ?? none?
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Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
February 17 2014 03:37 GMT
#43
On February 17 2014 12:34 shin_toss wrote:
PvZ?? none?

The day after this. They separated TvZ/TvP and ZvP because ZvPs will probably be longer than Terran match-ups.
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February 17 2014 03:39 GMT
#44
On February 17 2014 12:28 opterown wrote:
i'm thinking dreamleague format

Terran 1 < Protoss 1
Terran 2 > Protoss 2
Terran 3 > Protoss 3

Terran 2 < Protoss 1
Terran 3 > Protoss 1

Terran wins! sort of a mix between SPL and GSTL formats

Yeah. This format makes the most sense.
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 03:43:39
February 17 2014 03:43 GMT
#45
On February 17 2014 12:37 Elite_ wrote:
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On February 17 2014 12:34 shin_toss wrote:
PvZ?? none?

The day after this. They separated TvZ/TvP and ZvP because ZvPs will probably be longer than Terran match-ups.

I guess the separation was done before soulkey vs reality
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Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
February 17 2014 04:09 GMT
#46
On February 17 2014 12:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On February 17 2014 12:37 Elite_ wrote:
On February 17 2014 12:34 shin_toss wrote:
PvZ?? none?

The day after this. They separated TvZ/TvP and ZvP because ZvPs will probably be longer than Terran match-ups.

I guess the separation was done before soulkey vs reality

Maybe if Reality was chosen as one of the Terrans they'd reconsider, but I doubt that a separate day for all three match-ups is necessary... Especially with Flash, Maru, and TY as the Terrans.
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Canada8550 Posts
February 17 2014 04:27 GMT
#47
Thank god for this, I want to see some terran.
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February 17 2014 04:29 GMT
#48
It will be weird to see normal terran play, after 10 hours of Polt drops.
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Australia995 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 04:39:12
February 17 2014 04:36 GMT
#49
Dream league format it is.

(T)Flash < Yeonsu > (Z)Solar
(T)TY < Frost > (Z)RorO
(T)Maru < Bel'Shir Vestige > (Z)Soulkey
TBD < The King Sejong Station > TBD
TBD < Outboxer > TBD

(T)TY < The King Sejong Station > (P)herO
(T)Maru < Yeonsu > (P)Creator
(T)Flash < Outboxer > (P)PartinG
TBD < Bel'Shir Vestige > TBD
TBD < Frost > TBD


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United States1229 Posts
February 17 2014 04:48 GMT
#50
Creator really ruins the dream Protoss team.. I'd much rather have Classic or Squirtle or something. Or even Rain, I mean shit. Creator only won PvP, he was terrible in every other matchup.
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United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 04:52:28
February 17 2014 04:49 GMT
#51
damn I didn't realize this is starting tonight. Won't be able to watch TT Go terran

Flash and TY will win vs zerg, Maru and TY will win vs toss imo
On February 17 2014 13:48 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Creator really ruins the dream Protoss team.. I'd much rather have Classic or Squirtle or something. Or even Rain, I mean shit. Creator only won PvP, he was terrible in every other matchup.

well Classic and Rain are in Germany. I wouldn't rate Squirtle much better than Creator if at all after Creator won the JoyGear cup
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Australia995 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 04:53:56
February 17 2014 04:53 GMT
#52
Oh, and for tomorrow:

(P)Creator < Bel'Shir Vestige > (Z)Solar
(P)PartinG < Yeonsu > (Z)RorO
(P)herO < Outboxer > (Z)Soulkey
TBD < The King Sejong Station > TBD
TBD < Frost > TBD


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Canada11044 Posts
February 17 2014 05:56 GMT
#53
FLASHHHHHH
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Australia176 Posts
February 17 2014 06:46 GMT
#54
Awesome lineup, really this is awesome
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Sweden2197 Posts
February 17 2014 07:12 GMT
#55
Who gives a fuck about race? Go Flash!!!!!!!!!
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Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 08:20 GMT
#56
On February 17 2014 13:48 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Creator really ruins the dream Protoss team.. I'd much rather have Classic or Squirtle or something. Or even Rain, I mean shit. Creator only won PvP, he was terrible in every other matchup.


Classic and Rain are probably still in Germany.
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 08:27:53
February 17 2014 08:26 GMT
#57
On February 17 2014 13:48 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Creator really ruins the dream Protoss team.. I'd much rather have Classic or Squirtle or something. Or even Rain, I mean shit. Creator only won PvP, he was terrible in every other matchup.

only 1 protoss got more wins than creator during the season, and creator did beat a terran as well. plus classic and rain are in germany. and at least creator can still rag on startale like it's anything:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JoyGear_Cup
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United States7801 Posts
February 17 2014 08:33 GMT
#58
Can't wait for team Terran to WIPE. DA. FLOOR. KT BABAH
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:08 GMT
#59
On February 17 2014 18:08 winthrop wrote:
Stork(P) HoeJJa(Z) MKP(T) will be the korean broadcast commentators by the way

wow awesome
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Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
February 17 2014 09:15 GMT
#60
I don't get this format. Terran vs Zerg, and Terran vs Protoss... no Protoss vs Zerg, and what happens after?
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 09:17 GMT
#61
On February 17 2014 18:15 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I don't get this format. Terran vs Zerg, and Terran vs Protoss... no Protoss vs Zerg, and what happens after?

PvZ is tomorrow
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Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 09:18:37
February 17 2014 09:18 GMT
#62
On February 17 2014 18:15 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I don't get this format. Terran vs Zerg, and Terran vs Protoss... no Protoss vs Zerg, and what happens after?

pvz is tomorrow, all by itself haha. poor viewers.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 09:27:17
February 17 2014 09:26 GMT
#63
Guessing works like;

TY beats herO
Maru beats Creator
PartinG beats Flash
PartinG beats TY
Maru beats PartinG

Terran win 3-2

So that if you win you play the 4th game, if you lose you can't play anymore? If only one person for each race win he plays more times.
That isn't what i believe will happen though, just an example of how the format works, well im guessing it works.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
February 17 2014 09:27 GMT
#64
On February 17 2014 18:08 winthrop wrote:
Stork(P) HoeJJa(Z) MKP(T) will be the korean broadcast commentators by the way

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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 09:32 GMT
#65
Oh god MKP still looks as gosu as ever xD
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Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
February 17 2014 09:32 GMT
#66
fix the fucking sound... dont they test this stuff?
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:33 GMT
#67
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Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 09:33 GMT
#68
On February 17 2014 18:32 Pandemona wrote:
Oh god MKP still looks as gosu as ever xD


He's been gone for about 4 months! calm your tits!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 09:33 GMT
#69
I might be able to catch a little of this after all. Where are the glasses?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:34 GMT
#70
he probably doesn't need them all the time or something maybe? i remember back in the day he'd take them off before and after games
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Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
February 17 2014 09:35 GMT
#71
Good to see MKP again Looking forwards to the games!
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February 17 2014 09:35 GMT
#72
there's quite a few viewers on youtube (more than usual) and they're all speaking in korean lol
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 09:36 GMT
#73
On February 17 2014 18:35 opterown wrote:
there's quite a few viewers on youtube (more than usual) and they're all speaking in korean lol


Isn't it because you get free 720p on YouTube ? Where as you have to pay for High and Source on Twitch now? xD
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:37 GMT
#74
On February 17 2014 18:36 Pandemona wrote:
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On February 17 2014 18:35 opterown wrote:
there's quite a few viewers on youtube (more than usual) and they're all speaking in korean lol


Isn't it because you get free 720p on YouTube ? Where as you have to pay for High and Source on Twitch now? xD

nono as in koreans get free HD on TV anyway i dno why so many on youtube now
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 09:38 GMT
#75
Oh haha yeah i see what you meant xD lolol.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
February 17 2014 09:38 GMT
#76
Eww... RorO
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 09:39:46
February 17 2014 09:39 GMT
#77
Whoops double post
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:39 GMT
#78
On February 17 2014 18:38 hansonslee wrote:
Eww... RorO

don't be mad at the best zerg of 2013
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Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
February 17 2014 09:39 GMT
#79
Where is PvZ? Or have we finally seen enough of them :D (or am I Blind, it is very early still)
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February 17 2014 09:40 GMT
#80
On February 17 2014 18:39 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 18:38 hansonslee wrote:
Eww... RorO

don't be mad at the best zerg of 2013


Don't you DARE bring that up!
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Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 09:40 GMT
#81
I AM SEEING MKP AM I AWAKE
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:40 GMT
#82
On February 17 2014 18:39 Rollora wrote:
Where is PvZ? Or have we finally seen enough of them :D (or am I Blind, it is very early still)

it's tomorrow
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February 17 2014 09:41 GMT
#83
On February 17 2014 18:40 Lorning wrote:
I AM SEEING MKP AM I AWAKE

MY KING
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
February 17 2014 09:41 GMT
#84
On February 17 2014 18:40 Lorning wrote:
I AM SEEING MKP AM I AWAKE


It's hard to be awake when MKP fans like you and me have stars in our eyes!
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France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 09:41 GMT
#85
HoeJJa too badass.
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Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 09:42 GMT
#86
Hey proxy Tempest is a serious problem! (ask David Kim)
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 09:42 GMT
#87
Massive fangirl screams when Flash takes the mic.
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United States2027 Posts
February 17 2014 09:43 GMT
#88
On February 17 2014 18:42 Pangpootata wrote:
Massive fangirl screams when Flash takes the mic.


Who wouldn't scream like a fan girl for Flash?
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United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 09:44 GMT
#89
let mkp ask maru questions if he wins imo
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February 17 2014 09:44 GMT
#90
On February 17 2014 18:43 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 18:42 Pangpootata wrote:
Massive fangirl screams when Flash takes the mic.


Who wouldn't scream like a fan girl for Flash?

sharkie, maybe?
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 09:46:02
February 17 2014 09:45 GMT
#91
On February 17 2014 18:44 Shellshock wrote:
let mkp ask maru questions if he wins imo

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February 17 2014 09:47 GMT
#92
On February 17 2014 18:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 18:43 hansonslee wrote:
On February 17 2014 18:42 Pangpootata wrote:
Massive fangirl screams when Flash takes the mic.


Who wouldn't scream like a fan girl for Flash?

sharkie, maybe?


Ah, I forgot about the JD fans too! But can't we cheer for both of these sexy beasts?! 0
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Japan540 Posts
February 17 2014 09:47 GMT
#93
lol, that Breaking Bad reference. Funny cause I recently finished watching all five seasons.
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Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 09:48 GMT
#94
No Mvp makes me sad and mad... does that make me smad?
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:49 GMT
#95
oops i got TvP and TvZ order the wrong way around lol
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 09:51 GMT
#96
anyone want to LR? :D :D
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Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
February 17 2014 09:51 GMT
#97
Terran fighting!
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Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 09:52 GMT
#98
baby better own him who shall not be named
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Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 09:53 GMT
#99
Did they seriously put Creator and Maru against each other D:
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February 17 2014 09:54 GMT
#100
On February 17 2014 18:53 Lorning wrote:
Did they seriously put Creator and Maru against each other D:

Creator is going to win
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February 17 2014 09:54 GMT
#101
On February 17 2014 18:53 Lorning wrote:
Did they seriously put Creator and Maru against each other D:

prime collusion
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Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 09:55 GMT
#102
Silly casters, flash does not have fun games
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Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 09:56 GMT
#103
Booooooo no mech
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 09:57 GMT
#104
Lol thats 1-0 Terran xD
Zergs so greedy
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Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 09:58 GMT
#105
On February 17 2014 18:57 Pandemona wrote:
Lol thats 1-0 Terran xD
Zergs so greedy


Yeah, letting those helions in is so 2011.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 09:59 GMT
#106
Yeah it is quite funny how TvZ openings are back to WoL strats. Hellion Banshee Reaper is like still an awesome strat xD
TOP does it every TvZ on ladder still and is top 50 GM
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 09:59 GMT
#107
On February 17 2014 18:56 Talionis wrote:
Booooooo no mech


Its just a distraction, this is going to be a famous 16:24 mech transition
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Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:01 GMT
#108
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:01 GMT
#109
wtf these splits, or lack thereof
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Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:03:00
February 17 2014 10:02 GMT
#110
Why can Flash be so good/confident in TvZ yet he plays TvP like he has 0 idea :s

On February 17 2014 19:01 opterown wrote:
wtf these splits, or lack thereof


Flash plays TvZ like TOP used too in WoL. You don't need to micro if you have the macro. Look at supply. Gives you so much leeway to play with.
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United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:02 GMT
#111
Poor Solar. Not his best game
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Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#112
Been a little while since I've seen crazy TvZ drop aggression
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Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#113
Sick landed viking harass

Solar getting well and truly rekt
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Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#114
neat play by flash.
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February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#115
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
7%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
 
21%

★★★ - Good game (13)
 
46%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
21%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#116
TvZ Game 1: Flash vs. Solar on Yeonsu

Flash opens up reaper expand while Solar goes for hatch first into pool.
Flash follows up with a factory while his reapers get a bit of scouting and damage in.
Both players follow up with a 3rd base.
Flash gets a huge hellion-reaper run-in into Solar's main and does a lot of damage.
Back at home, Flash is going into bio. Solar goes into ling-bane-muta. They both reach 125 supply at about the same time, with similar upgrades.
Flash gets a nice elevator into Solar's main while also attacking Solar's 3rd. Solar holds as Flash's splits are a bit ifffy.
Flash's pressure is a bit too much and Flash takes a 40 supply lead.
It's a bit too much for Solar and he kinda gets bopped.

Terran 1-0 Zerg
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Profile Joined July 2012
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February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#117
Terrible play by Solar.
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United States3596 Posts
February 17 2014 10:03 GMT
#118
flashuuu too stronk ;_;
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France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:04 GMT
#119
FlaSh.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 10:04 GMT
#120
On February 17 2014 19:01 opterown wrote:
wtf these splits, or lack thereof



i know what you mean but theres like 3-4 things going on at the same time....if you're f.e. in your base in the wrong second banelings crush....
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:04:42
February 17 2014 10:04 GMT
#121
Great game by Flash although he did get lucky with that early hellion driveby.
edit: and he looks completely unimpressed :D
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
February 17 2014 10:04 GMT
#122
flash too good~

(unless it's tvp)
@QxGDarkCell ._.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:04 GMT
#123
On February 17 2014 19:03 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
7%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
 
21%

★★★ - Good game (13)
 
46%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
21%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
4%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:05 GMT
#124
On February 17 2014 19:01 Tufas wrote:
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."

"Okay, I doesn't change that much. I still rape my opponent."
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 10:05 GMT
#125
On February 17 2014 19:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
flash too good~

(unless it's tvp)

He has his chance to redeem himself against PartinG later today
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:05 GMT
#126
On February 17 2014 19:05 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:01 Tufas wrote:
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."

"Okay, I doesn't change that much. I still rape my opponent."

that was mainly the hellion runby i guess
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:05 GMT
#127
Just got up. Is that MKP on the analyst desk?
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#128
lol hoejja
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#129
anyone want to LR please~
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#130
On February 17 2014 19:04 Qwerty85 wrote:
Great game by Flash although he did get lucky with that early hellion driveby.
edit: and he looks completely unimpressed :D


I would love to see the killcount for that.
Because despite it looking terribly because it went undefended for so long, it did not look like it got more than 10drone kills.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#131
On February 17 2014 19:05 VisonKai wrote:
Just got up. Is that MKP on the analyst desk?

yep!
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#132
Prime steals SKT's last season uniform or something?
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:06 GMT
#133
On February 17 2014 19:05 VisonKai wrote:
Just got up. Is that MKP on the analyst desk?

Yes. MKP and HoeJJa.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:07 GMT
#134
On February 17 2014 19:05 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:05 Glioburd wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:01 Tufas wrote:
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."

"Okay, I doesn't change that much. I still rape my opponent."

that was mainly the hellion runby i guess

I don't even know how he let that Hellion run-by happen and do critical damage, it is like that I am watching 2011... disappointing from the player of Solar's caliber.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:07 GMT
#135
On February 17 2014 19:06 Arceus wrote:
Prime steals SKT's last season uniform or something?

got it from charity maybe
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:07 GMT
#136
MKP looks like he's wearing an SKT jacket
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:07 GMT
#137
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#138
Ahhh he'll always be MarineKing.Prime.WE to me. The announcer voice is stuck in my head.

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kagamin
Profile Joined September 2010
United States191 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#139
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#140
On February 17 2014 19:05 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:05 Glioburd wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:01 Tufas wrote:
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."

"Okay, I doesn't change that much. I still rape my opponent."

that was mainly the hellion runby i guess


Not sure. I think that his build was just bad. Late baneling speed, spire too early, too many drones on 3bases, 4th too late.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#141
On February 17 2014 19:08 kagamin wrote:
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?

he's returning as a player next round of proleague
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#142
On February 17 2014 19:06 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:04 Qwerty85 wrote:
Great game by Flash although he did get lucky with that early hellion driveby.
edit: and he looks completely unimpressed :D


I would love to see the killcount for that.
Because despite it looking terribly because it went undefended for so long, it did not look like it got more than 10drone kills.



Yeah sometimes it is hard to say unless they are really lined up. But it was obviously enough since he outmacroed Solar so hard.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:08 GMT
#143
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:09 GMT
#144
On February 16 2014 21:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:59 Lorning wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 16 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:
Zerg win because they have the best zerg of 2013.


You're talking about Roro right ?

Who else?


No one obviously


Don't forget to count in best protoss 2013
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:09 GMT
#145
On February 17 2014 19:08 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:05 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:05 Glioburd wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:01 Tufas wrote:
"hmm what happens if I dont micro vs banelings, I always wondered ..."

"Okay, I doesn't change that much. I still rape my opponent."

that was mainly the hellion runby i guess


Not sure. I think that his build was just bad. Late baneling speed, spire too early, too many drones on 3bases, 4th too late.

that all happened after the runby, which screwed timings a lot i guess
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:09 GMT
#146
On February 17 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games

to see him get destroyed by Soulkey again?
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:09 GMT
#147
On February 17 2014 19:08 kagamin wrote:
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?


He is back as a pro gamer? You not read the news?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443360
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#148
On February 17 2014 19:07 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:06 Arceus wrote:
Prime steals SKT's last season uniform or something?

got it from charity maybe


Dont diss the prime
Where is my ACE flair
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#149
On February 17 2014 19:09 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games

to see him get destroyed by Soulkey again?

Maru got this
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:11:14
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#150
On February 17 2014 19:08 kagamin wrote:
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?

no, he is going the sc-gamer-into-failed-LoL-transition-into-return-to-sc-doing-a-short-casting-stint-just-for-a-showmatch route.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:10:51
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#151
Aint that MarineKing?
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#152
On February 17 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games

Well Maru was always attacking all over the place right?
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:10 GMT
#153
Oh TY vs. RorO, this should be good. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
February 17 2014 10:11 GMT
#154
TY for the free win! Suck it, RorO!
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:11 GMT
#155
On February 17 2014 19:10 Muffloe wrote:
Aint that MarineKing?


Yes he is.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:11 GMT
#156
On February 17 2014 19:10 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:08 kagamin wrote:
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?

no, he is going the sc-gamer-into-failed-LoL-transition-into-return-to-sc-doing-a-short-casting-stint-just-for-a-showmatch route.


lol #precise
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:11 GMT
#157
On February 17 2014 19:10 Nirel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games

Well Maru was always attacking all over the place right?

yea. Like Polt
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:11 GMT
#158
Race wars are so silly, we all know the best players chose terran, the manliest chose protoss and some strange guys chose zerg
Where is my ACE flair
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:12:43
February 17 2014 10:12 GMT
#159
On February 17 2014 19:11 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:10 Muffloe wrote:
Aint that MarineKing?


Yes he is.

Cewl, can't wait to see him go up against Startale-IM in Proleague ^^
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:12 GMT
#160
On February 17 2014 19:10 Nirel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:08 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:07 Nirel wrote:
I want to see if any of the Terran players today learned something from Polt

Wait for Maru's games

Well Maru was always attacking all over the place right?


Yeah but it is not exactly the same style. Maru has different marine-marauder mix and actually engages protoss army straight up and relies on superb micro to dodge storms. Polt is very marauder heavy and avoids direct confrontation while sniping nexi and tech of protoss.
kagamin
Profile Joined September 2010
United States191 Posts
February 17 2014 10:12 GMT
#161
On February 17 2014 19:09 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:08 kagamin wrote:
wait... is marineking casting or something? is he going the retired-gamer-turned-caster route?


He is back as a pro gamer? You not read the news?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443360


well, that's good news indeed.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:12 GMT
#162
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:13 GMT
#163
On February 17 2014 19:11 Tufas wrote:
Race wars are so silly, we all know the best players chose terran, the manliest chose protoss and some strange guys chose zerg


Protoss do the most all or nothing plays. Confirmed.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:13 GMT
#164
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:13 GMT
#165
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1
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GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
February 17 2014 10:14 GMT
#166
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

Everyone knows Jaedong is the 2nd best zerg in the world!
I love hellbats
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:14 GMT
#167
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:14:55
February 17 2014 10:14 GMT
#168
No Soulkey is no1 OPTown ;_;
RorO close 2nd!

On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life


Boxerfred confirmed smurf of Zealously!
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:14 GMT
#169
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


That would be an interesting game, but I doubt Jaedong is playing Ty very soon.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:14 GMT
#170
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+
Where is my ACE flair
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#171
On February 17 2014 19:14 Tufas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+


Get money, I'd love to get TL+
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#172
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#173
That girl had confidence, no head movement at all.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#174
She made it through without covering her face. Respect :D
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#175
On February 17 2014 19:15 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs


Now we see if he really is Zealously smurf or not xD
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:17:00
February 17 2014 10:15 GMT
#176
On February 17 2014 19:15 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs


True, I do believe he will beat RorO
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:17 GMT
#177
Now Solar should watch this and learn.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:18:17
February 17 2014 10:17 GMT
#178
Can't get passed RorOs block! He doesn't straight up lose to WOL shit

#WorldNo2Zerg

Oh dear ;_;
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:17 GMT
#179
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:15 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs


True, I do believe he will beat RorO

zing, wp
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:18 GMT
#180
what is with these runbys
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:18 GMT
#181
I guess I spoke too soon, but he didn't take enough damage.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:18 GMT
#182
WHAT DID I JUST SEE!!

Parting vs Flash~~~~(@*~(@~~~

Omg . I am worried but I am hyped too
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:18 GMT
#183
Nice runby. A little sloppier than I expected from TY but still well done.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:19 GMT
#184
LOL 66 drones and 4 hatch. Ok we in for a game here xD
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:19 GMT
#185
On February 17 2014 19:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:15 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs


True, I do believe he will beat RorO

zing, wp


thanks, a pleasure!
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:19 GMT
#186
Is it me or does Wolf and Brendon sound a bit creepy when they talk to these girls on camera?
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:19 GMT
#187
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:14 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+


Get money, I'd love to get TL+


So sorry I actually thought I still had money on paypal but I am 1 euro short of the 4 dollars
Where is my ACE flair
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:20 GMT
#188
wow roro has killed 22 workers? wtf never noticed
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#189
is baby sleeping?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#190
On February 17 2014 19:19 Tufas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+


Get money, I'd love to get TL+


So sorry I actually thought I still had money on paypal but I am 1 euro short of the 4 dollars


Are you actually excusing for not being able to make a gift that is being given no a voluntary basis? You must be canadian
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#191
On February 17 2014 19:20 opterown wrote:
wow roro has killed 22 workers? wtf never noticed


ya bad obsing does that to you.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#192
why no fucking wall?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#193
On February 17 2014 19:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
WHAT DID I JUST SEE!!

Parting vs Flash~~~~(@*~(@~~~

Omg . I am worried but I am hyped too


Idk parting always annihilates flash.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:21 GMT
#194
On February 17 2014 19:20 opterown wrote:
wow roro has killed 22 workers? wtf never noticed


World no2 is that good!
Stealthy SCV ninja killer xd
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:22 GMT
#195
On February 17 2014 19:21 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:20 opterown wrote:
wow roro has killed 22 workers? wtf never noticed


ya bad obsing does that to you.


Happened quite often I think (might be wrong, I missed a few PL matches). Funka really rocked IEM yesterday 'till 3 in the morning local time.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:22 GMT
#196
On February 17 2014 19:21 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:19 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+


Get money, I'd love to get TL+


So sorry I actually thought I still had money on paypal but I am 1 euro short of the 4 dollars


Are you actually excusing for not being able to make a gift that is being given no a voluntary basis? You must be canadian


Central european canadian, my country even has the same scenery. Just tinier.
Where is my ACE flair
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:23 GMT
#197
hmm, biomech? getting blue flame
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:23 GMT
#198
On February 17 2014 19:22 Tufas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:21 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:19 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 Tufas wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!


Dunno, but he can beat RorO for sure


If I had any money you would get TL+


Get money, I'd love to get TL+


So sorry I actually thought I still had money on paypal but I am 1 euro short of the 4 dollars


Are you actually excusing for not being able to make a gift that is being given no a voluntary basis? You must be canadian


Central european canadian, my country even has the same scenery. Just tinier.


Touché, or rather wp
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#199
TY is so great at map abuse <3
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#200
3-3 starting for Z before T....RorO has a huge advantage inc
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#201
muta's no
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#202
ahh the banes!
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Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#203
RIP mutas
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#204
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#205
Is it no split day ??
Where is my ACE flair
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:25 GMT
#206
just finish that wall wtf
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:25 GMT
#207
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:25 GMT
#208
On February 17 2014 19:24 Tufas wrote:
Is it no split day ??

grease on mousepads confirmed
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
February 17 2014 10:25 GMT
#209
How fucking hard is it to wall off

God damn it
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:26 GMT
#210
Disappointing play by TY... If zerg gets 3-3 before you, you know you messed up.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:26 GMT
#211
lol those hellbats
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:26 GMT
#212
Best zerg in the world has this
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:26 GMT
#213
TY is everywhere...but RorO doing even better holding it and countering as well. So impressive!
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Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
February 17 2014 10:27 GMT
#214
TY could have just walked that army of his to the hatchery and killed it instead of trying to be cute and shooting down from the cliff tt
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:27 GMT
#215
On February 17 2014 19:26 Lorning wrote:
Best zerg in the world has this


FTFY
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:27 GMT
#216
Perfect defense by RorO, good harass by Baby, really good game.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 10:27 GMT
#217
On February 17 2014 19:26 Pandemona wrote:
TY is everywhere...but RorO doing even better holding it and countering as well. So impressive!

TY too behind from the workers he lost to mistakes. If not, he would have enough army to break RorO already.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:28 GMT
#218
TY could still be getting decent trades if he was 3-3. But 2-2 vs 3-3 zerg with less army is just no chance.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#219
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12)
 
75%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
19%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#220
why no thor
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#221
TvZ Game 2: TY vs. RorO on Frost

Both players open pretty standard.
TY goes for a fast starport, getting hellions and cloak for pressure.
TY gets into the main with hellions and takes out 13 drones.
RorO gets a few lings into TY's base, getting a fair few kills and good scouting. Somehow RorO gets 22 SCVs but the obs misses the kills.
RorO gets an early 4th, baneling nest and spire. TY transitions into bio.
TY drops well, keeping up the pressure, but RorO gets good ling counterattacks.
RorO gets a relatively fast, unpressured hive.
TY pushes out with marine-mine but RorO holds pretty well. RorO is ahead 200-150 supply.
RorO starts 3-3 before TY and continues effective ling-bane runbys. TY's drop do some damage, but he still is slowly falling behind. His walls are never quite complete.
RorO continues pushing TY around and is now 70 supply ahead.
TY never quite manages to stabilise and has to tap out!

Terran 1-1 Zerg
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#222
On February 17 2014 19:29 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12)
 
75%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
19%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#223
ROROROROW the boat!
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#224
Leave it to the best zerg of 2013 to break TY's hot streak.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#225
On February 17 2014 19:25 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level

You seem to hate RorO, I agree that he didn't play good in 2013, when HotS started, but right now he really is only second to Soulkey Zerg, just watch all of his recent games. His decision making and overall level of play is really really good.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#226
On February 17 2014 19:19 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:17 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:15 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:15 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:14 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:13 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:12 Pandemona wrote:
Can TY beat the 2nd best Zerg in the world?!?!

#1


TY is on a roll, he might be able to beat Life

no biggie to beat washed up GSL champs


True, I do believe he will beat RorO

zing, wp


thanks, a pleasure!

For me too.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 10:29 GMT
#227
eugh

not a great game from TY
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 10:30 GMT
#228
Roro showing he is one of the best zergs once again.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:30 GMT
#229
On February 17 2014 19:21 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
WHAT DID I JUST SEE!!

Parting vs Flash~~~~(@*~(@~~~

Omg . I am worried but I am hyped too


Idk parting always annihilates flash.


That why I am worried, but I do not believe in total domination
Pray Flash win pls win.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:30 GMT
#230
gonna be up to Flash to all kill the zergs
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:30 GMT
#231
This game was really good and fun to watch, constant aggression and harassment from both. WP
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:31 GMT
#232
Flash vs RorO omg omg omg omg
CANNOT WAIT!!!!

Then again i bet RorO will ruin it and like roach bane bust or saink xD
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 10:31 GMT
#233
On February 17 2014 19:25 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level


Roro is definitely Top 10. Soulkey JD Rogue Curious Life SoO ByuL Symbol
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 10:31 GMT
#234
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious


opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:32 GMT
#235
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:32 GMT
#236
On February 17 2014 19:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
This game was really good and fun to watch, constant aggression and harassment from both. WP


Dat double pronged muta harass!
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:33 GMT
#237
I remember the 4M vZerg few months ago.

I kinda forgot the change since then . . .

The Overseer speed buff?
And Mine lesser radius?

Anymore?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:34 GMT
#238
plus zerg learning to do quite well against the style, i think that was a bigger influence
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:35 GMT
#239
On February 17 2014 19:33 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I remember the 4M vZerg few months ago.

I kinda forgot the change since then . . .

The Overseer speed buff?
And Mine lesser radius?

Anymore?

No, that is pretty much it. I mean, only the changes that affected 4M.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:35 GMT
#240
Maru <3333
SITH LORD TIME!!
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:35 GMT
#241
hana dul set

Maru hwaiting
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:36 GMT
#242
Oh damn fkn Soulkey LOL.
Maru you got your work cut out here sir!!
#Believe
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:36 GMT
#243
Why the hell are they still playing this map? It really needs to go...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:36:49
February 17 2014 10:36 GMT
#244
In these games, Soulkey is 11–3 (78.57%) in games and 6–0 (100.00%) in matches against Maru.

Maru's worst opponent head to head
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:36 GMT
#245
I hope Maru builds some turrets against SK muta harass.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 10:38 GMT
#246
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 10:39 GMT
#247
For those who dont know korean.. Flash clearly said he wanted TvP mech to work. Said the matchup is too stale with all the factory units useless. Hope DK is watching this!
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:39 GMT
#248
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
February 17 2014 10:40 GMT
#249
I heard MKP is casting on the Korean stream?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:40 GMT
#250
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:40 GMT
#251
not surprised to see this build from Maru on belshir. he used it a lot
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:40 GMT
#252
Maru going full WoL strat :d
Banshee - Hellion - Reaper
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:41 GMT
#253
wow soulkey plz
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:42 GMT
#254
Maru messed this up. Soulkey can coast from here
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:42 GMT
#255
Maru too greedy. He could have just went for the hatch
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
February 17 2014 10:42 GMT
#256
Dear Terrans,
Wall your fucking base
Sincerely
Every god damn Terran fan out there
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:43 GMT
#257
again no wall
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:43 GMT
#258
So...erm
Flash is going to have to beat world no2 and world no1 Zerg to get Terran the win LOL
Gl god u going need it
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Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 10:43 GMT
#259
Why does this always work so well for Maru against Kespa Zergs? If he didn't mess it up this badly he might have gotten the third hatchery. Kespa Zergs are too greedy, but apparently this time it worked out for Soulkey.
이지은
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:43 GMT
#260
On February 17 2014 19:40 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that

He is retired player that went to LoL, obviously didn't do anything, so he came back to SC2, didn't play a single official SC2 game and is already balance whining on a analyst desk. Great for him.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#261
christ Maru
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#262
welp maru plz
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#263
lol
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#264
lolol
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#265
bad game..
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#266
On February 17 2014 19:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:25 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level

You seem to hate RorO, I agree that he didn't play good in 2013, when HotS started, but right now he really is only second to Soulkey Zerg, just watch all of his recent games. His decision making and overall level of play is really really good.


You are lying. Also, I'm not a RorO hater. I only hate protoss players.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#267
KTFlash about to become TerranFlash. Just wait.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#268
Pretty much perfect reactions from Soulkey. Not too impressed with Maru, kinda sucks that the entire terran success of code S relies on him.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#269
bugs win!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:44 GMT
#270
On February 17 2014 19:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:40 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that

He is retired player that went to LoL, obviously didn't do anything, so he came back to SC2, didn't play a single official SC2 game and is already balance whining on a analyst desk. Great for him.

clearly he's doing it in jest, he did the same at HSC when he was among the best in the world
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Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:45 GMT
#271
Man, what looked like the beginning of a huge lead with that attack turned into a jump off the cliff for Maru.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:45 GMT
#272
On February 17 2014 19:44 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:25 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level

You seem to hate RorO, I agree that he didn't play good in 2013, when HotS started, but right now he really is only second to Soulkey Zerg, just watch all of his recent games. His decision making and overall level of play is really really good.


You are lying. Also, I'm not a RorO hater. I only hate protoss players.

We don't care.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:45 GMT
#273
Ahh Zerg is winning. . .



Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:45 GMT
#274
Are Terran hiding their true strategies for Proleague, because they don't look too good today.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#275
On February 17 2014 19:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:40 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that

He is retired player that went to LoL, obviously didn't do anything, so he came back to SC2, didn't play a single official SC2 game and is already balance whining on a analyst desk. Great for him.


Or he could maybe be joking. I mean if he said 250 wins, that is kind of a give away of him making a joke instead of whining..
Some people really need to realax.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#276
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
15%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
15%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (7)
 
54%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
 
15%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
February 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#277
My heart for Soulkey
KT FlaSh FOREVER
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#278
TvZ Game 3: Maru vs. Soulkey on Bel'Shir Vestige

Maru opens with fast reapers while Soulkey goes for hatch-first into pool.
Maru pressures with 3 reapers and expands back at home. Maru manages to take out 4 queens and follows up with cloak banshee.
Soulkey counterattacks with lings and gets 16 SCV kills. Soulkey buys enough time for his spire, and cranks out mutalisks.
Maru pressure with cloak banshees but doesn't have enough marines at home to defend the mutalisks. He manages to hold, but takes a lot of damage.
Soulkey follows up with a big muta-ling-bane bust and kills off Maru.

Terran 1-2 Zerg
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:46 GMT
#279
What a rape.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#280
Figured Soulkey would win since he pretty much just owns Maru but wow expected Maru to play a lot better than that. That just seemed like a case of when it rains it pours
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#281
On February 17 2014 19:44 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:25 boxerfred wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
TY is so great at map abuse <3

Yeah, one of the rare Terrans these days that abuse every single map. But RorO is still really good.


Yep, like top20 of zergs worldwide or so. Like Sora for protoss, same level

You seem to hate RorO, I agree that he didn't play good in 2013, when HotS started, but right now he really is only second to Soulkey Zerg, just watch all of his recent games. His decision making and overall level of play is really really good.


You are lying. Also, I'm not a RorO hater. I only hate protoss players.

ROFL, I am not lying, there are a lot of Roro anti-fans here, but a lot of them will say that he is playing really good lately, as seen from that RorO vs. TY game. I am not really a fan of RorO either.

On February 17 2014 19:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:40 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that

He is retired player that went to LoL, obviously didn't do anything, so he came back to SC2, didn't play a single official SC2 game and is already balance whining on a analyst desk. Great for him.

clearly he's doing it in jest, he did the same at HSC when he was among the best in the world

Ok, as I said I don't know him very well and if he is trolling or not. I am hoping that he isn't serious.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#282
On February 17 2014 19:44 Bagi wrote:
Pretty much perfect reactions from Soulkey. Not too impressed with Maru, kinda sucks that the entire terran success of code S relies on him.

Don't forget about GSL, that as well.
이지은
justjuice
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand165 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#283
"I think I am better" -MKP
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#284
On February 17 2014 19:46 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
15%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
15%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (7)
 
54%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
 
15%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#285
On February 17 2014 19:47 justjuice wrote:
"I think I am better" -MKP

lol
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:47 GMT
#286
On February 17 2014 19:44 Pangpootata wrote:
KTFlash about to become TerranFlash. Just wait.

KoreanTerranFlash?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#287
Maru just cannot win vs Soulkey.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#288
On February 17 2014 19:46 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:40 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:38 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:32 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:31 YyapSsap wrote:
LOl marineking's witty balance whining is so hilarious

hahah what is he saying/like when he's casting?


The actual commentators always ask him on his opinion like "is that good for Terran" or just when TY lost they asked him "did he lose because he was Terran?" and MKP is like "TY chose the wrong race for SC2..."

There was a moment where they were talking about Terran doing so well in round 1 proleague with a record of 20-5. MKP quickly corrects them that about only the best Terrans are playing, those with class and that if there were protoss they would record a total of 250 wins instead lolol

I really hope that he isn't serious, if he is he should go back to LoL.

hahaha wtf how can you say that

He is retired player that went to LoL, obviously didn't do anything, so he came back to SC2, didn't play a single official SC2 game and is already balance whining on a analyst desk. Great for him.


Or he could maybe be joking. I mean if he said 250 wins, that is kind of a give away of him making a joke instead of whining..
Some people really need to realax.


That's why he said "I hope he isn't serious".
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#289
Oh! TY and Maru is consider dead and cannot participate in TvZ war . . .

Flash is , last beacon? Last Light?

The Ultimate weapon

Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#290
On February 17 2014 19:47 Soohyung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:44 Bagi wrote:
Pretty much perfect reactions from Soulkey. Not too impressed with Maru, kinda sucks that the entire terran success of code S relies on him.

Don't forget about GSL, that as well.


Am I missing a joke here?
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#291
Damn I wish my Korean was better. I'd love to understand all of what MKP says.
이지은
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#292
I hope Maru will do much better in Code S. Because he will absolutely need to.
Maybe he is preparing heavily for his group because this is basically a showmatch event anyway.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 10:48 GMT
#293
Come on cheer for Human race.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
February 17 2014 10:49 GMT
#294
Maru is becoming the new MKP for me - He's good enough to get my hopes up, and I like him enough for him to make me sad when he disappoints.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:49 GMT
#295
On February 17 2014 19:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
I hope Maru will do much better in Code S. Because he will absolutely need to.
Maybe he is preparing heavily for his group because this is basically a showmatch event anyway.

there's two zergs in his group though
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 10:49 GMT
#296
Commentators: Even with Maru's godlike micro he doesnt have the army..
MKP: I think im better^^;;
Commentators: *Cracks up*
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#297
On February 17 2014 19:48 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:47 Soohyung wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:44 Bagi wrote:
Pretty much perfect reactions from Soulkey. Not too impressed with Maru, kinda sucks that the entire terran success of code S relies on him.

Don't forget about GSL, that as well.


Am I missing a joke here?

Oops, misread it as Proleague. Because Terran success in Proleague almost exclusively relies on Maru and TY as well (maybe Flash).
이지은
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#298
On February 17 2014 19:47 Soohyung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:44 Bagi wrote:
Pretty much perfect reactions from Soulkey. Not too impressed with Maru, kinda sucks that the entire terran success of code S relies on him.

Don't forget about GSL, that as well.

you people really understimate bbyong hes extremly good he might had a bad run at sao paulo. dosent make him not code s quality. hes very very good
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#299
So happy to see MKP again!
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#300
who is king sejong anyway
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#301
On February 17 2014 19:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
I hope Maru will do much better in Code S. Because he will absolutely need to.
Maybe he is preparing heavily for his group because this is basically a showmatch event anyway.

there's two zergs in his group though


Yeah but maybe he didn't want to reveal his true strats that he has prepared for his group :D
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#302
On February 17 2014 19:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
I hope Maru will do much better in Code S. Because he will absolutely need to.
Maybe he is preparing heavily for his group because this is basically a showmatch event anyway.

there's two zergs in his group though

Maybe he doesn't want to show his real start (hopefully)
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:51 GMT
#303
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Sejong the Great
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:51 GMT
#304
On February 17 2014 19:50 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:49 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
I hope Maru will do much better in Code S. Because he will absolutely need to.
Maybe he is preparing heavily for his group because this is basically a showmatch event anyway.

there's two zergs in his group though


Yeah but maybe he didn't want to reveal his true strats that he has prepared for his group :D

I'm too slow lol
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 17 2014 10:51 GMT
#305
I don't think these results are that surprising. Flash has managed to stay strong in TvZ the whole time, TY is really up and down in general, and Soulkey owns Maru head to head
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 10:51 GMT
#306
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 10:51 GMT
#307
SOULKEY FLASH on King Sejong. This is gonna take some time.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#308
could someone briefly explain the format please?

they can decide amongst themselves who is gonna go?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#309
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?
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Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#310
MKP's still as handsome as he's always been~
이지은
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:53 GMT
#311
I love watching all these pre-recorded interviews I can't understand...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#312
On February 17 2014 19:53 Disarmed wrote:
could someone briefly explain the format please?

they can decide amongst themselves who is gonna go?

they play 3 1v1s in PL format. then, the remaining players who won their games for each side play in other in all-kill.

so pretty much flash needs to beat both roro and soulkey for terrans to win
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#313
On February 17 2014 19:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?


Harkonnen OP in Dune 2
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#314
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.


If he was first, that must mean he was a zerg player, right? :D
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#315
On February 17 2014 19:54 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:53 Disarmed wrote:
could someone briefly explain the format please?

they can decide amongst themselves who is gonna go?

they play 3 1v1s in PL format. then, the remaining players who won their games for each side play in other in all-kill.

so pretty much flash needs to beat both roro and soulkey for terrans to win



thanks thats actually a pretty cool format.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:55 GMT
#316
Lets go Flash!!!
First up RorO!! LETS GO
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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 10:55 GMT
#317
On February 17 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:53 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?


Harkonnen OP in Dune 2



right side OP in Pong
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:56:16
February 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#318
On February 17 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:53 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?


Harkonnen OP in Dune 2

wall too good in pong

damn beaten lolol
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#319
Now we have the matchup that a lot of people wanted to see, but Zest denied.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:56:23
February 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#320
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway

He's the Korean dude from Civ 5
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#321
On February 17 2014 19:55 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:53 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?


Harkonnen OP in Dune 2



right side OP in Pong


White OP in chess.

WHICH IS TRUE BTW
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#322
are these matches going to be add up to the stats?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 10:57 GMT
#323
Is it over if Flash loses this one?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 10:58:01
February 17 2014 10:57 GMT
#324
On February 17 2014 19:56 Nirel wrote:
are these matches going to be add up to the stats?

doubt it
On February 17 2014 19:57 Bagi wrote:
Is it over if Flash loses this one?

yes
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 10:57 GMT
#325
On February 17 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:53 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:50 opterown wrote:
who is king sejong anyway


Legends say he was the first balance whiner.

paladins OP in WC?


Harkonnen OP in Dune 2

Lol so true :D
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#326
Why is it Flash vs Soulkey. That makes no sense KESPA forcing matches onto us ;_;
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#327
Flash is probably typing: SK, I would own you so hard in BW
And SK is saying: BW dead gaem.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#328
On February 17 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote:
Why is it Flash vs Soulkey. That makes no sense KESPA forcing matches onto us ;_;

dreamleague format
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 17 2014 10:58 GMT
#329
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !
LiquipediaWanderer
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#330
On February 17 2014 19:58 Qwerty85 wrote:
Flash is probably typing: SK, I would own you so hard in BW
And SK is saying: BW dead gaem.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/424_Flash/games#tblt-6740-1-default-0-soulkey
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#331
On February 17 2014 19:58 Qwerty85 wrote:
Flash is probably typing: SK, I would own you so hard in BW
And SK is saying: BW dead gaem.


And then Flash copy pastes a picture of the SSL studio.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#332
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
February 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#333
wow no liquipedia entry O_o
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:00:57
February 17 2014 11:00 GMT
#334
On February 17 2014 19:59 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.


Haha did they lose in a disappointing fashion ? :D

On February 17 2014 19:59 Drake wrote:
wow no liquipedia entry O_o


#nopassion
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#335
On February 17 2014 20:00 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:59 VisonKai wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.


Haha did they lose in a disappointing fashion ? :D

Understatement...
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#336
On February 17 2014 20:00 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:59 VisonKai wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.


Haha did they lose in a disappointing fashion ? :D


You could say that.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#337
CHATTING?! What sorcery is this?!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:01:42
February 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#338
Flash typed something? TO KESPA JAIL
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#339
Someone pls translate the words of god.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#340
On February 17 2014 20:01 Lorning wrote:
Flash typed something? TO KESPA JAIL


And Soulkey ANSWERED GOD DAMNIT !
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 11:03 GMT
#341
meh, bio again.
So no mech today.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:03 GMT
#342
Soulkey just answered to make sure that KT didn't get another handicap if Flash were to be punished
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:05 GMT
#343
Why would anyone go mech against Soulkey after his game against Reality
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:05 GMT
#344
flash is getting supply blocked pretty often
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
February 17 2014 11:06 GMT
#345
On February 17 2014 20:05 Lorning wrote:
Why would anyone go mech against Soulkey after his game against Reality

the game where he only didnt lose due to a stalemate?
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:06 GMT
#346
Drop in the main, obs follows hellion rally. xaxa
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 11:07 GMT
#347
On February 17 2014 20:00 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:59 VisonKai wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.


Haha did they lose in a disappointing fashion ? :D

Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 19:59 Drake wrote:
wow no liquipedia entry O_o


#nopassion

Flash vs. Solar was bad, Soulkey vs. Maru was a bit better but still bad, RorO vs. TY was actually quite good macro game, both players were constantly attacking and harassing. So you should definitely watch RorO vs. TY.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:08 GMT
#348
Flash remembers the most important think in this match up. Upgrades, you HAVE to be ahead of the Zerg in upgrades, you also have to get 3-3 straight after 2-2 to have the bigger window of 3-3 vs 2-2 then also can spiral out of control for the Z when your everywhere on the map getting great engagements and denying him 3-3.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 17 2014 11:09 GMT
#349
On February 17 2014 20:07 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:00 Ragnarork wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:59 VisonKai wrote:
On February 17 2014 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:
Aw, missed the beginning. Doesn't look good for terrans

Go Flash !


If you were rooting for T, be glad you missed those games lol.


Haha did they lose in a disappointing fashion ? :D

On February 17 2014 19:59 Drake wrote:
wow no liquipedia entry O_o


#nopassion

Flash vs. Solar was bad, Soulkey vs. Maru was a bit better but still bad, RorO vs. TY was actually quite good macro game, both players were constantly attacking and harassing. So you should definitely watch RorO vs. TY.


Thanks !
I'll check that !
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:10 GMT
#350
On February 17 2014 20:06 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:05 Lorning wrote:
Why would anyone go mech against Soulkey after his game against Reality

the game where he only didnt lose due to a stalemate?

Exactly that one
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:10 GMT
#351
Flash suddenly lose so many supply in 30 sec . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 11:11 GMT
#352
Its weird to see how korean terrans have pretty much given up on widow mines. I have no idea how this is supposed to be efficient against large numbers of well controlled banelings.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:11 GMT
#353
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
64%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
27%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
14%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
14%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
43%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
14%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:12:06
February 17 2014 11:11 GMT
#354
Well, I think Flash lost. Soulkey just ramming his armies one by one...

EDIT: Gah, just done.
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Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
February 17 2014 11:11 GMT
#355
soulkey :D
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 11:11 GMT
#356
That was brutal
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:12 GMT
#357
TvZ Game 4: Flash vs. Soulkey on The King Sejong Station

Soulkey goes for a hatch-first into pool while Flash goes for reapers. Flash gets an overlord with his marine.
Flash follows up with fast hellions and Soulkey gets a ling runby into the main, but little damage ensues.
Flash looks to go into bio again while pressuring Soulkey with hellions. Soulkey trades a few lings and cleans up the hellions.
The game stabilises and both sides tech up - Flash with bio and Soulkey with ling-bane-muta. Flash is slightly ahead on upgrades.
Flash does a few drops for pressure but Soulkey defends well. They both reach 130 supply at a similar time.
Flash continues to pressure but Soulkey always defends well. Soulkey eventually pushes Flash the other way and starts to pressure Flash. Soulkey is now 50 supply up, 160-110.
Flash never stabilises and Soulkey wins!

Zergs defeat Terrans 3-1!
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:12 GMT
#358
Flash should of won that but he was throwing away small armies pointlessly at 2-2. You can do that at 3-3 because it is 3-3 vs 2-2. But at 2-2 vs 2-2 it is no way cost efficient.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:12 GMT
#359
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 17 2014 11:12 GMT
#360
On February 17 2014 20:12 opterown wrote:
Zergs defeat Terrans 3-1!


'tis a sad day in the barracks, where Mad marines scream for vengeance.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:12 GMT
#361
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:13 GMT
#362
On February 17 2014 20:11 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
64%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
27%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
14%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
14%

★★★ - Good game (3)
 
43%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
14%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Zerg Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 11:13 GMT
#363
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!

I lol'd. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ForLethr
Profile Joined November 2013
80 Posts
February 17 2014 11:13 GMT
#364
so ez for Soulkey
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:14 GMT
#365
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:14 GMT
#366
Terran is in such a sad state
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
February 17 2014 11:14 GMT
#367
Let's go, all mech vs. Protoss!
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 11:14 GMT
#368
and now the power of protoss!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 11:15 GMT
#369
No ZvP today?

I guess they left the obvious "finals" for another day.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:15 GMT
#370
On February 17 2014 20:14 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round


I am worried Flash and TY price will go so high that I cannot afford both of them .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:15 GMT
#371
On February 17 2014 20:14 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Let's go, all mech vs. Protoss!


Bio vs Z, mech vs P.

#logic
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:16 GMT
#372
On February 17 2014 20:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round


I am worried Flash and TY price will go so high that I cannot afford both of them .

well the highest ever for a player has been 13 i think, you should be able to get both TY and flash but the rest of your team won't be quite as good.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:17 GMT
#373
On February 17 2014 20:16 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round


I am worried Flash and TY price will go so high that I cannot afford both of them .

well the highest ever for a player has been 13 i think, you should be able to get both TY and flash but the rest of your team won't be quite as good.


Yeah you can get TY and Flash but then you will have to have like Prime as your team and then like Barbie and such on your roster xD
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:17 GMT
#374
On February 17 2014 20:16 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round


I am worried Flash and TY price will go so high that I cannot afford both of them .

well the highest ever for a player has been 13 i think, you should be able to get both TY and flash but the rest of your team won't be quite as good.


I'll get the low points player from CJ.
Maybe in round 2 they will be undercost or something . . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 17 2014 11:18 GMT
#375
I don't know if holding such a tournament was a good idea in the current climate regarding balance whine
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:18 GMT
#376
On February 17 2014 20:17 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:16 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Wow Team Terran is represented by both KT superstar + Maru . . .

Does it mean it will cost less for both Flash + TY in FPL round 2? . . .

Please make it happen . .

there's also hack, gumiho, mkp and byun reinforcing the terran lineup next round


I am worried Flash and TY price will go so high that I cannot afford both of them .

well the highest ever for a player has been 13 i think, you should be able to get both TY and flash but the rest of your team won't be quite as good.


Yeah you can get TY and Flash but then you will have to have like Prime as your team and then like Barbie and such on your roster xD

they'll probably be like 8,9 points or something, you'll need to have a fair few 2-pointers and stuff
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:19 GMT
#377
Holy shit Twitch fix your ads being four times as loud as the stream. My ears blow up every single time there's a commercial break.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
February 17 2014 11:19 GMT
#378
On February 17 2014 20:15 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:14 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Let's go, all mech vs. Protoss!


Bio vs Z, mech vs P.

#logic

Mind games!
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:20 GMT
#379
i still vote tournaments should get contracted ads they play rather than twitch ads, i really enjoyed watching the IEM ads even if they got a bit repetitive over time.
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:22 GMT
#380
On February 17 2014 20:20 opterown wrote:
i still vote tournaments should get contracted ads they play rather than twitch ads, i really enjoyed watching the IEM ads even if they got a bit repetitive over time.


Yeah, LCS was great during the times they had contracted ads for Pacific Rim and stuff. Twitch doesn't slow down horribly to play an ad (lol Halo Spartan Assault) or get louder or crash when you have contracted ads.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 17 2014 11:22 GMT
#381
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
February 17 2014 11:23 GMT
#382
I got some heavy lags... Anyone else has them? Every 20 sec I have a freeze for ~2-3 sec.
monchi | IdrA | Flash
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 11:23 GMT
#383
zvp is too long so they made a whole day dedicated to zvp
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 11:23 GMT
#384
On February 17 2014 20:20 opterown wrote:
i still vote tournaments should get contracted ads they play rather than twitch ads, i really enjoyed watching the IEM ads even if they got a bit repetitive over time.

They should get more money off them as well because a ton of people use adblock and don't see a single twitch ad anyway.
이지은
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:23 GMT
#385
On February 17 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?

Snipe Snipe
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 11:24 GMT
#386
On February 17 2014 20:23 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?

Snipe Snipe

2 snipes to kill a baneling, the revolutionary new TvZ meta.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:24 GMT
#387
On February 17 2014 20:22 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:20 opterown wrote:
i still vote tournaments should get contracted ads they play rather than twitch ads, i really enjoyed watching the IEM ads even if they got a bit repetitive over time.


Yeah, LCS was great during the times they had contracted ads for Pacific Rim and stuff. Twitch doesn't slow down horribly to play an ad (lol Halo Spartan Assault) or get louder or crash when you have contracted ads.

ewww LCS
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#388
On February 17 2014 20:23 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?

Snipe Snipe


Snipe BARELY does more damage than a Ghost's auto-attack unless it's vs a high armor target or a Psionic unit.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#389
woot, MKP and stork!
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#390
On February 17 2014 20:24 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:23 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?

Snipe Snipe

2 snipes to kill a baneling, the revolutionary new TvZ meta.


Banelings bunch up, it's so easy to blanket EMP them! xaxa
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:26:46
February 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#391
On February 17 2014 20:25 opterown wrote:
woot, MKP and stork!

semi -kongs unite
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 11:25 GMT
#392
storkuuuu
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:26 GMT
#393
On February 17 2014 20:25 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:24 Bagi wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:23 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:12 ZenithM wrote:
Team Terran a bit disappointing. Ghosts got buffed goddammit, use them!


vs Zerg?

Snipe Snipe

2 snipes to kill a baneling, the revolutionary new TvZ meta.


Banelings bunch up, it's so easy to blanket EMP them! xaxa

that'll show them who's boss!
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:27 GMT
#394
oh cool bren was on running man?
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:27 GMT
#395
He was on running man?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:28 GMT
#396
MKP looks so tired/bored LOL xD
He was alot more happier when he used to commentate with MC at HSC :3
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 11:28 GMT
#397
I just come back from my final and Terrans lost. T_T
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:30 GMT
#398
Creator is just so handsome.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
February 17 2014 11:31 GMT
#399
Snipe that would make 30 dmg to one shot baneling could be truly awesome to watch. Also pew pew pew flocks of mutas could be awesome
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:31 GMT
#400
Holy crap that's PartinG. Wow.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:31 GMT
#401
PartinG always looking mischievous xD
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 11:31 GMT
#402
they are right, Parting does look different
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 11:32 GMT
#403
Other way around Brendan
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 17 2014 11:32 GMT
#404
Math is Brendan's strong point-
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 17 2014 11:32 GMT
#405
wtf they lost TvZ
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:32 GMT
#406
I thought that PartinG looked different for a few weeks already.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#407
On February 17 2014 20:32 Tchado wrote:
wtf they lost TvZ


Soulkey is pretty good.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#408
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#409
Flash seems to have a lot of fun
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#410
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?


Polt probably as well. At least against Jaedong
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#411
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

yeah but he doesn't play the best korean zergs
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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#412
Oh come on ! Flash is killing it and making the audience laugh.....while we have to listen to wolf......GET A TRANSLATOR PLZ !!!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#413
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Against Tefel and Nerchio maybe.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 11:35 GMT
#414
what are they talking about? somebody translate, where is snm?!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 11:35 GMT
#415
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Yes, he is our God.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 11:35 GMT
#416
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Well, if a matchup is 50/50 and you nerf the linchpin of one of the races for no apparant reason, it's not going to be 50/50 anymore xP
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:35 GMT
#417
Parting has the dubious honor of being the first progamer to be hated by Flash lol

Flash cant wait to do a revenge ceremony haha
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:35 GMT
#418
On February 17 2014 20:35 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Yes, he is our God.


Bio no longer works in TvZ??
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:36 GMT
#419
On February 17 2014 20:35 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Well, if a matchup is 50/50 and you nerf the linchpin of one of the races for no apparant reason, it's not going to be 50/50 anymore xP

queen range never forget
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justjuice
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand165 Posts
February 17 2014 11:36 GMT
#420
Wait I wasn't listening properly but from what I can glean from half listening .. Flash said he wants to beat Parting, back in bw he never disliked/hated any player but Parting has acted in a way that makes him want to beat him really badly.. I think
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:36 GMT
#421
On February 17 2014 20:35 ne4aJIb wrote:
what are they talking about? somebody translate, where is snm?!


This is the English proleague stream, you aren't getting anything more than the games in English buddy.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:37 GMT
#422
I want Maru vs Parting

Revenge
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 11:37 GMT
#423
On February 17 2014 20:35 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:35 Aeromi wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Yes, he is our God.


Bio no longer works in TvZ??


Not really when you face strong zerg like Flash, TY and Maru did.
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:39:15
February 17 2014 11:37 GMT
#424
On February 17 2014 20:34 Tchado wrote:
Oh come on ! Flash is killing it and making the audience laugh.....while we have to listen to wolf......GET A TRANSLATOR PLZ !!!

I feel your pain Brother! Proleague could pay like 20 bucks to some guy he would translate no problem
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#425
Solar pulling the moves on girls after failing with Terrans.
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#426
Roro is getting some tonight
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#427
These Samsung jackets/coats are so ahead of meta.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#428
hahaha roro <3
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#429
someone explain awkward progamers with awkward girls
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#430
I think it's the samsung coats
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#431
If anyone picks up a woman wearing that jacket, they deserve a fucking medal.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 11:38 GMT
#432
what a bunch of cutie pies
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
February 17 2014 11:39 GMT
#433
winner takes all format, including fangirls?
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
February 17 2014 11:39 GMT
#434
mkp and stork there??? Just arrived
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:39 GMT
#435
Cuteness overload.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:40 GMT
#436
Breaking Bad is overrated. I mean, 9.8/10 on IMDB, please...
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#437
On February 17 2014 20:37 Lorning wrote:
I want Maru vs Parting

Revenge

Should be possible.
Now if only we could get them on Entombed Valley for the heck of it since MKP is casting!
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#438
Roro getting hit on was funny to look at.
이지은
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#439
On February 17 2014 20:35 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:35 Aeromi wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:34 Fjodorov wrote:
ForGG the only guy who still can make bio work in TvZ?

Yes, he is our God.


Bio no longer works in TvZ??


not unless you are mechanically way better than the zerg. If you can outmultitask him and get serious damage done with harass, it works. But if he can keep up, it will look very silly.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:41:38
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#440
man this is dragging on for a while games plz

cool here we go
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#441
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 17 2014 11:41 GMT
#442
On February 17 2014 20:37 tuoli9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:34 Tchado wrote:
Oh come on ! Flash is killing it and making the audience laugh.....while we have to listen to wolf......GET A TRANSLATOR PLZ !!!

I feel your pain Brother! Proleague could pay like 20 bucks to some guy he would translate no problem


They can just use a small percentage of the 5 bucks with they take from everyone next round and hire someone......if they do I wont have to hear wolf and LoL guy talk about game of thrones :S
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#443
Finally!
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
February 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#444
On February 17 2014 20:40 ZenithM wrote:
Breaking Bad is overrated. I mean, 9.8/10 on IMDB, please...

Yeah it should be 9.7
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#445
On February 17 2014 20:41 liberate71 wrote:
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.


I started watching that series because everyone was hyping it. But the start of the show is so annoying and slow that I just gave up after first 2 or 3 episodes.

I might try it again it someday but didn't like it at all.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#446
On February 17 2014 20:41 liberate71 wrote:
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.


Yeah I agree, 5 is the number to stop at. Just like the wire
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 11:43 GMT
#447
No....all the seasons in the world. 24 Leading example :w
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 11:43 GMT
#448
the power of protoss!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:44 GMT
#449
All toss wins on that placard haha
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
February 17 2014 11:44 GMT
#450
am i in wrong thread?
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:44 GMT
#451
On February 17 2014 20:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:41 liberate71 wrote:
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.


I started watching that series because everyone was hyping it. But the start of the show is so annoying and slow that I just gave up after first 2 or 3 episodes.

I might try it again it someday but didn't like it at all.


I thought it was extremely boring as well. Admittedly I'm not too into TV but there was 0 hook in that series, no idea how it took off.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:45:40
February 17 2014 11:45 GMT
#452
On February 17 2014 20:44 GizmoPT wrote:
am i in wrong thread?

If you're looking for the race wars thread, this is it
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 11:45 GMT
#453
Baby loves his proxies.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 17 2014 11:45 GMT
#454
Nice! Just in time to see the Protoss imbalance
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:45 GMT
#455
On February 17 2014 20:44 GizmoPT wrote:
am i in wrong thread?


No idea? If you're watching race war then no, if you aren't then yes.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
February 17 2014 11:45 GMT
#456
whats wrong with the volume? casters are total quiet while ads destroy my ears
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:46 GMT
#457
hahah this factory wtf
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 11:46 GMT
#458
MKP approves of these proxy buildings
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:46 GMT
#459
LOL
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 11:46 GMT
#460
This guy is a genius.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:47 GMT
#461
Smooth as hell.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 11:47 GMT
#462
As cute as this moves are from Baby it puts him behind almost every game i see him do this ...
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 11:49 GMT
#463
herO is going to stomp TY so easy...
Why did you lose the factory?!
The curse is real
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:49 GMT
#464
Either play standard or resort into gimmicks.. the story of TvP :D
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 11:50 GMT
#465
Yeah! Fistpump!
The Bomber boy
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 11:50 GMT
#466
On February 17 2014 20:44 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:41 liberate71 wrote:
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.


I started watching that series because everyone was hyping it. But the start of the show is so annoying and slow that I just gave up after first 2 or 3 episodes.

I might try it again it someday but didn't like it at all.


I thought it was extremely boring as well. Admittedly I'm not too into TV but there was 0 hook in that series, no idea how it took off.


I watched Season 1 about 18 months ago, and didnt understand the hype at all.

Then about 2-3 months ago, as Season 5 was coming to a close on TV and everyone was losing their fucking minds over it, I decided to watch S2 -> S5.

I absolutely do not regret the decision, if the series isnt spoiled for you - definitely take the effort to watch.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
February 17 2014 11:50 GMT
#467
On February 17 2014 20:49 YyapSsap wrote:
Either play standard or resort into gimmicks.. the story of TvP :D

So either play standard or nonstandard?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:51 GMT
#468
On February 17 2014 20:50 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:44 VisonKai wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:41 liberate71 wrote:
Breaking Bad dragged on? da fuq 5 seasons is perfect.


I started watching that series because everyone was hyping it. But the start of the show is so annoying and slow that I just gave up after first 2 or 3 episodes.

I might try it again it someday but didn't like it at all.


I thought it was extremely boring as well. Admittedly I'm not too into TV but there was 0 hook in that series, no idea how it took off.


I watched Season 1 about 18 months ago, and didnt understand the hype at all.

Then about 2-3 months ago, as Season 5 was coming to a close on TV and everyone was losing their fucking minds over it, I decided to watch S2 -> S5.

I absolutely do not regret the decision, if the series isnt spoiled for you - definitely take the effort to watch.


I thought season 1 was dull, season 2 had it's moments and now I am watching season 3 - and oh my god it's good!
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:51 GMT
#469
Stork is denying how oracles are OP, and its infact more deadly in PvP. Has no idea why other players from the other two races are complaining. No one gets their workers killed by oracles..

Then the commentators ask MKP about oracles and if thats infact true.
MKP: "Well after a week of TvP in my practice sessions.. Ive lost about 5000 scvs."
MKP: "Its as if Im losing my hair one by one due to oracles."
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:52 GMT
#470
On February 17 2014 20:50 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:49 YyapSsap wrote:
Either play standard or resort into gimmicks.. the story of TvP :D

So either play standard or nonstandard?


By standard I mean like one build..
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:52 GMT
#471
ghost drop to emp templar inc.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:52 GMT
#472
awesome move!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:52 GMT
#473
TY looking pretty good this game
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tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
February 17 2014 11:53 GMT
#474
that emp drop was awesome!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 11:53 GMT
#475
On February 17 2014 20:52 VisonKai wrote:
ghost drop to emp templar inc.


im a wizard
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:54 GMT
#476
MKP complaining about that exact sequence of zealots just being amove/forget and Terran players having to stutter/kite for over 20 seconds. Hes really letting it out tonight lol
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 11:54 GMT
#477
On February 17 2014 20:51 YyapSsap wrote:
Stork is denying how oracles are OP, and its infact more deadly in PvP. Has no idea why other players from the other two races are complaining. No one gets their workers killed by oracles..

Then the commentators ask MKP about oracles and if thats infact true.
MKP: "Well after a week of TvP in my practice sessions.. Ive lost about 5000 scvs."
MKP: "Its as if Im losing my hair one by one due to oracles."


Haha MKP is hilarious Thanks for translating
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:55 GMT
#478
On February 17 2014 20:54 YyapSsap wrote:
MKP complaining about that exact sequence of zealots just being amove/forget and Terran players having to stutter/kite for over 20 seconds. Hes really letting it out tonight lol

lol does it sound really whiny or is it funny to hear
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:55 GMT
#479
Seems a bit likes Templar-first styles vs Terran create these kind of small skirmishes, back and forth fighting and all. Colossus have a tendency to have one big fight and then either you win or you die.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 17 2014 11:55 GMT
#480
looks like I'm back home just in time to be able to rage about TvP ;P

Any really good games I missed that I should catch up on later?
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#481
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 1?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (4)
 
24%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
 
29%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
41%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
 
6%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Alvis
Profile Joined July 2011
876 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#482
Storm it !
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#483
YEA BABY

hero makin it rain
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 11:59:38
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#484
TvP Game 1: TY vs. herO on The King Sejong Station

TY opens up with reapers and a proxy factory, while herO goes for an MSC scout.
TY lifts the factory up into herO's main wtf and herO doesn't see it. He makes widow mines, but only gets one out before herO scouts it and forces a lift. The mine gets 3 probes but TY loses the factory before he can make any armories.
herO's oracle is unable to do much, and the game stabilises with both players teching up. herO gets charge and storm while TY's bio upgrades continue. herO gets HT and TY gets ghosts.
TY moves out but herO drives him back with charglot-templar.
TY gets a scary army and moves out. There are a few intense skirmishes in the middle of the map. TY gets a few good EMPs but herO drives it back. TY's lost factory is biting him in the ass since he still hasn't started 2-2.
TY gets a good drop into herO's main, but herO counterattacks and smacks down TY!

Protoss 1-0 Terran
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#485
Wow that looked very fair. ahum.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#486
Quite a good game overall.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#487
TY lose twice . . .

~~~
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Pasithee
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany6 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#488
I´m done a Liquipedia entry http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Proleague_Race_Wars#Matches
Can someone help me with with the format and the Teamnames?
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#489
Supply was pretty similar, but it seems that a lot of that supply was in Medivacs.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18403 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#490
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#491
Baby with this stupid proxy factory builds is shoting himself in the foot ...
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#492
Team Terran tanking, totally!
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#493
On February 17 2014 20:55 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:54 YyapSsap wrote:
MKP complaining about that exact sequence of zealots just being amove/forget and Terran players having to stutter/kite for over 20 seconds. Hes really letting it out tonight lol

lol does it sound really whiny or is it funny to hear


Its like a subtle whiny yet witty funny remarks/jokes in a semi sarcastic tone haha
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#494
ghosts need a price reduction now
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#495
Being stuck on 1/1 for so long and what was up with the very late 3rd? :s
The curse is real
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#496
TY is so mad
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#497
On February 17 2014 20:55 Yello wrote:
looks like I'm back home just in time to be able to rage about TvP ;P

Any really good games I missed that I should catch up on later?

Baby vs RorO
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#498
I hope Creator got more confidence after the tournament win
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#499
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 11:57 GMT
#500
On February 17 2014 20:52 YyapSsap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:50 dainbramage wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:49 YyapSsap wrote:
Either play standard or resort into gimmicks.. the story of TvP :D

So either play standard or nonstandard?


By standard I mean like one build..

lol the set of all numbers can be divided into "7" and "not 7" subsets.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 11:58 GMT
#501
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Define 'outclass'
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 11:59 GMT
#502
On February 17 2014 20:57 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:52 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:50 dainbramage wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:49 YyapSsap wrote:
Either play standard or resort into gimmicks.. the story of TvP :D

So either play standard or nonstandard?


By standard I mean like one build..

lol the set of all numbers can be divided into "7" and "not 7" subsets.

Haha ye

It was poorly phrased, but I understand what I tried to say :D
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 11:59 GMT
#503
Back to standard TvP I guess, was spoilt by Polt's today.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 17 2014 11:59 GMT
#504
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:00 GMT
#505
On February 17 2014 20:57 Tobblish wrote:
Being stuck on 1/1 for so long and what was up with the very late 3rd? :s

You'd say a build like that deal with tech heavy and greedy Protoss play :D?
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:00 GMT
#506
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:00:29
February 17 2014 12:00 GMT
#507
Just got home, was that MKP with the korean casters?

After a weekend of IEM I already miss the casting of ToD and the others
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 12:00 GMT
#508
On February 17 2014 20:56 Pasithee wrote:
I´m done a Liquipedia entry http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Proleague_Race_Wars#Matches
Can someone help me with with the format and the Teamnames?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Race_War
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:00 GMT
#509
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:01:57
February 17 2014 12:01 GMT
#510
On February 17 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?

A CJ Protoss player who has recently done really well, just like all Protoss players /troll.

Not to discard Hero, he is an amazingly crisp player. He was good before it was cool :D
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:01 GMT
#511
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?
The Bomber boy
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:01 GMT
#512
Maru better beat Creator or I'm gonna get slightly annoyed.

On February 17 2014 21:00 DJHelium wrote:
Just got home, was that MKP with the korean casters?

After a weekend of IEM I already miss the casting of ToD and the others

Yes it's MKP.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:01 GMT
#513
Cheering for both :x
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:02 GMT
#514
On February 17 2014 21:01 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?

well i get to see 3 of my favourites tonight, it's a good night despite fairly meh games so far
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:02 GMT
#515
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game


He wasn't outclassed. He did a risky opening that didn't pay off.
Same thing happens to zerg players and it would happen to protoss players against terran if they had openings you can't transition out of without being behind.

liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:02 GMT
#516
On February 17 2014 21:01 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?


Don't encourage, we'll have to bring out the mop
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#517
On February 17 2014 21:02 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:01 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?


Don't encourage, we'll have to bring out the mop

I played mop yesterday. it was great.

gold 4/9 CMs.
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#518
So Wolf is actually literally the standard Redditor
The curse is real
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#519
On February 17 2014 21:02 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game


He wasn't outclassed. He did a risky opening that didn't pay off.
Same thing happens to zerg players and it would happen to protoss players against terran if they had openings you can't transition out of without being behind.



Going to be interesting if the mine buff vs shields come in. The opening would have killed a few more probes and that can snowball quite hard.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#520
hmm, early factory?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#521
On February 17 2014 21:02 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:01 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?


Don't encourage, we'll have to bring out the mop

please don't bring out MasterofPuppets
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:04 GMT
#522
SOMEONE TRANSLATE PLEASE
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:04 GMT
#523
On February 17 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?


A CJ EnToss.
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:04 GMT
#524
On February 17 2014 21:03 opterown wrote:
hmm, early factory?


I head Maru is doing some kind of helion-banshee play on the ladder.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 12:05 GMT
#525
Oh wow so many typing. INB4 Kespa Police stop this "fun"
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 17 2014 12:05 GMT
#526
ah I want to know what they are chatting about
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:05 GMT
#527
Did they a/s/l before the started this shit? I can't read korean
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:05 GMT
#528
this is like byun 2012
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:06 GMT
#529
On February 17 2014 21:03 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:02 liberate71 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:01 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:00 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:59 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf


how did you survive yesterday?

he's always borderline non-action

how do you feel when you see your king on the screen?


Don't encourage, we'll have to bring out the mop

please don't bring out MasterofPuppets


holy shit you broke me hahahahaha
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 12:06 GMT
#530
Dat Maru smirk man hahahahahaha xD
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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 12:06 GMT
#531
oh mannnn i hate missing some much chat
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:06 GMT
#532
Hahah the chat is cute.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:06 GMT
#533
On February 17 2014 21:01 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?

A CJ Protoss player who has recently done really well, just like all Protoss players /troll.

Not to discard Hero, he is an amazingly crisp player. He was good before it was cool :D


He was 4-0 by Innovation in code S before it was cool.
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:07 GMT
#534
Basically Creator asking if he did 15CC.. maru is like ??? and hes like ok time to show you how to lose with that build *sends stalker and it dies to a mine*, here comes the ORACLE! maru ignores, does the drop and says weas da oracle?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:07 GMT
#535
On February 17 2014 21:06 YyapSsap wrote:
Hahah the chat is cute.

what are they saying?
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:07 GMT
#536
On February 17 2014 21:06 YyapSsap wrote:
Hahah the chat is cute.

Would you be so kind to tell us what were they saying?
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:07 GMT
#537
That minimap scan is way too intense, otherwise a long needed feature
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#538
Did they choose Creator just to even things out a bit or what? Because Maru looks like he is playing with 50% and it is not even close.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#539
Creator chating while he is losing probes ...
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#540
Creator is like, let's defend every unit in my base as poorly as possible and focus a bunker repaired by 10 SCVs, so they think TvP is fine xD?
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#541
Maru: lol
Creator: Imba..
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#542
aaaah Creator
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#543
How was game 1?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#544
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#545
Creator: I thought you were gona go 11/11 but gas first??
Maru: Lulz
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#546
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#547
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
 
33%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
11%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
11%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#548
TvP Game 2: Maru vs. Creator on Yeonsu

Maru opens gas-first into 1-1-1, while Creator goes for a gate-expand.
Creator pokes with a stalker and it gets taken out by a widow mine and marines, and Maru instantly loads up an 8-marine drop while poking with hellions in the natural. Creator doesn't lose too much and both players are madly typing at each other. Creator seems to have a higher WPM.
Another drop at the natural and main takes out more probes. Creator seems to be going for an immortal bust on the other hand, though.
Maru defends well and Creator seems to be quite a bit behind. He still has the superior WPM though.
Another attempted re-bust failed and Creator has to tap out.

Protoss 1-1 Terran!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#549
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

Watch your mouth
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:09 GMT
#550
Maruuuuuuuuuu! So good.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#551
Wow seriously Creator. What a joke.
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#552
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

Prime has a lot of fans in Korea for some weird unknown reason.
Also, Rain and Classic couldn't attend because of IEM, I personally want to believe both were above Creator in the poll :D
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#553
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#554
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

Yeah, I was wondering too... Well, Rain and Classic were at the IEM, so they couldn't be there, but I think there still are better Protoss players than Creator. Zest is one for example.
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#555
I dont think Flash can beat Parting unless he saw Polt at IEM and took notes.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#556
On February 17 2014 21:09 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

Watch your mouth

but lorning. dat showcase of skill was a yoke
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#557
Flash vs Parting naoow
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#558
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#559
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL

way to be a fanboy, creator's bad.
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MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#560
time to get serious, please.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#561
On February 17 2014 21:11 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL

way to be a fanboy, creator's bad.

beat herO
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#562
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#563
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
 
33%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
11%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
11%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:11 GMT
#564
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:12:49
February 17 2014 12:12 GMT
#565
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Parting, her0 and Super are above him on liquipedia ;o
(I had to check for myself cause i couldnt believe it, the fact he's 4th still blows my mind)
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 17 2014 12:12 GMT
#566
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:13:05
February 17 2014 12:12 GMT
#567
You people should be kissing Creator's feet

after what he did for PvT
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:12 GMT
#568
On February 17 2014 21:12 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Parting, her0 and Super are above him on liquipedia ;o

herO had 5 wins, parting and super had 4, so did creator.
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:13 GMT
#569
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:11 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL

way to be a fanboy, creator's bad.

beat herO

stork almost beat hearo lol
Michael Probu
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#570
On February 17 2014 21:13 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL

way to be a fanboy, creator's bad.

beat herO

stork almost beat hearo lol

Stork also beat Parting
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#571
On February 17 2014 21:12 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.


Mvp best win rate 1:0
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#572
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.
The curse is real
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#573
the girl that intros the spo tv proleague whatevz is super cute. damn
The Bomber boy
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#574
On February 17 2014 21:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:12 liberate71 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Parting, her0 and Super are above him on liquipedia ;o

herO had 5 wins, parting and super had 4, so did creator.


oh I see how you played it, my bad - yeh youre not wrong! I was surprised based on the over-all team standing haha.

I thought they just couldnt get Rain cause he was in europe still
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#575
Wtf "whose ruler is longer?"
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:14 GMT
#576
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:16:12
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#577
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...


Liquipedia counts playoffs for some weird reason. KeSPA keeps normal season records separate from playoff records. It would be unfair to hand out most wins awards with playoff records included as player with lousy teams would be severely disadvantaged.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#578
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#579
On February 17 2014 21:12 Lorning wrote:
You people should be kissing Creator's feet

after what he did for PvT

Thank you based Creator for introducing the lamest style of PvT.
The Bomber boy
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#580
On February 17 2014 21:14 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:12 Ammanas wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.


Mvp best win rate 1:0

TY is 100% too.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#581
On February 17 2014 21:14 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:12 Ammanas wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.


Mvp best win rate 1:0

i know right? one of the best ever too
Michael Probu
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:15 GMT
#582
On February 17 2014 21:15 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:12 Lorning wrote:
You people should be kissing Creator's feet

after what he did for PvT

Thank you based Creator for introducing the lamest style of PvT.

Because all in all day, every day was sooo much better
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:16 GMT
#583
On February 17 2014 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.

that's how things matter in SPL, the season MVP is the guy with the most wins (flash last season) not the highest winrate (classic or sos or something)
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:16 GMT
#584
On February 17 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:14 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:12 Ammanas wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.


Mvp best win rate 1:0

TY is 100% too.


Mvp only needed 1 game to prove he was the best, not 7, what an amateur TY is.
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:17:22
February 17 2014 12:16 GMT
#585
On February 17 2014 21:15 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:15 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:12 Lorning wrote:
You people should be kissing Creator's feet

after what he did for PvT

Thank you based Creator for introducing the lamest style of PvT.

Because all in all day, every day was sooo much better

At least you didn't have to suffer for a long time ;;

edit:

In case anyone forgot, Sonic Proleague is on. Hwaseung vs KT
Mind vs Beast atm.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/snipealot3
The Bomber boy
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:16 GMT
#586
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.
The curse is real
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 12:17 GMT
#587
bah parting gogo flash
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:17:29
February 17 2014 12:17 GMT
#588
On February 17 2014 21:16 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.

that's how things matter in SPL, the season MVP is the guy with the most wins (flash last season) not the highest winrate (classic or sos or something)


Innobation was #1 I think
Edit: in that like, top 10 or something (not someone who was 3-0)
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:17 GMT
#589
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:18 GMT
#590
Balls of steel ladies and gentlemen...
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 17 2014 12:18 GMT
#591
gogo flash its revenge time
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
February 17 2014 12:18 GMT
#592
Oh boy...
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:18 GMT
#593
On February 17 2014 21:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate


If you get fielded the most times you have a good shot at getting those wins as well.
Poor sOs tho =/
The curse is real
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:18 GMT
#594
Soulkey is a PIMP
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#595
On February 17 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:14 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:12 Ammanas wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

No he really did. He is 4-5 and no other toss but herO has 5 wins. Most of the other 4 win protosses have better win rate though.


Mvp best win rate 1:0

TY is 100% too.

TY just lost so MVP is better technically :p
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#596
Soulkey entertaining the ladies
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#597
On February 17 2014 21:18 Lorning wrote:
Soulkey is a PIMP

Ahahah yeah. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#598
Soulkey going for quantity over quality. A reasonable choice my friend.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#599
On February 17 2014 21:18 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:17 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate


If you get fielded the most times you have a good shot at getting those wins as well.
Poor sOs tho =/

pretty sure creator was fielded the same amount as the other guys and stuff
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#600
LOL SK with fangirls
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#601
On February 17 2014 21:17 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:16 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.

that's how things matter in SPL, the season MVP is the guy with the most wins (flash last season) not the highest winrate (classic or sos or something)


Innobation was #1 I think
Edit: in that like, top 10 or something (not someone who was 3-0)

nope, Flash won MVP last year cause MVP = most wins.
Innovation was the best in Kespa ratings, cause they have diminishing returns in place.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 12:19 GMT
#602
During WCS Final Season 1, ForGG has a lot of fan girls.
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#603
On February 17 2014 21:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:18 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:17 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate


If you get fielded the most times you have a good shot at getting those wins as well.
Poor sOs tho =/

pretty sure creator was fielded the same amount as the other guys and stuff

heres all the stats
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=18&s=7&d=1
The curse is real
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#604
Oracle beats 5 marines.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#605
Nice defense Flash!!
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:20:53
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#606
On February 17 2014 21:20 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:19 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:18 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:17 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate


If you get fielded the most times you have a good shot at getting those wins as well.
Poor sOs tho =/

pretty sure creator was fielded the same amount as the other guys and stuff

heres all the stats
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=18&s=7&d=1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4286_2014_SPL_Round_1/player_stats is better
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#607
ahhaha Flash gave Parting's Oracle a wedgie and sent him on his way
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:21:27
February 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#608
On February 17 2014 21:19 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:17 liberate71 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 Bagi wrote:
Why is Creator even there?

Not exactly someone I'd call a top protoss.

only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.

that's how things matter in SPL, the season MVP is the guy with the most wins (flash last season) not the highest winrate (classic or sos or something)


Innobation was #1 I think
Edit: in that like, top 10 or something (not someone who was 3-0)

nope, Flash won MVP last year cause MVP = most wins.
Innovation was the best in Kespa ratings, cause they have diminishing returns in place.


Nah I meant higher win rate, I think he had 1 less win but 6 less losses or something - I shoulda worded it clearer ^_^
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
February 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#609
do i have to subscribe again? i already did once some weeks ago, but seems not to work anymore?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#610
flash getting supply blocked a lot today
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#611
On February 17 2014 21:19 ZenithM wrote:
Soulkey going for quantity over quality. A reasonable choice my friend.

Knowing Soulkey, it is both quantity and quality.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:22:00
February 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#612
Flash looks on point in this game .
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#613
On February 17 2014 21:21 Beta2k wrote:
do i have to subscribe again? i already did once some weeks ago, but seems not to work anymore?


same boat here, not sure whats happened. I'm watching the same quality as before though, so I havent chased it up - but no chat during this is a bit meh
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:22 GMT
#614
On February 17 2014 21:20 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:19 Ammanas wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:17 liberate71 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:10 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:09 opterown wrote:
[quote]
only herO had more wins in SPL


Didn't Zest all - kill SKT ? Surely he has more wins ...

normal season, creator had twice as many wins

In what, 2012?

zest 2-4
creator 4-5

stop being joke

I was joking of course, but being picked only because of number of wins is really stupid.

that's how things matter in SPL, the season MVP is the guy with the most wins (flash last season) not the highest winrate (classic or sos or something)


Innobation was #1 I think
Edit: in that like, top 10 or something (not someone who was 3-0)

nope, Flash won MVP last year cause MVP = most wins.
Innovation was the best in Kespa ratings, cause they have diminishing returns in place.


Nah I meant higher win rate, I think he had 1 less win but 6 less losses or something - I shoulda worded it clearer ^_^

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/3724_2012-2013_SPL/player_stats

for hots, classic was like 80%
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Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
February 17 2014 12:22 GMT
#615
On February 17 2014 21:21 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:21 Beta2k wrote:
do i have to subscribe again? i already did once some weeks ago, but seems not to work anymore?


same boat here, not sure whats happened. I'm watching the same quality as before though, so I havent chased it up - but no chat during this is a bit meh


which quality do you watch on? i only have "medium" :/
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:22 GMT
#616
On February 17 2014 21:20 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:20 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:19 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:18 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:17 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:16 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:14 Tobblish wrote:
People seem to forget that Prime doesn't have that many tophigh quality players to pick from so Creater have always been in the lineup.

so have players like stats, zest, sos, etc and creator has done better than all of them


Stats were +1 regular season, Creator -1.

for SPL it's map wins that counts not win-rate


If you get fielded the most times you have a good shot at getting those wins as well.
Poor sOs tho =/

pretty sure creator was fielded the same amount as the other guys and stuff

heres all the stats
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=18&s=7&d=1

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/4286_2014_SPL_Round_1/player_stats is better


Bookmarked!
Remember this being linked in a LR thread before and never found a way to navigate back to it
The curse is real
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:23 GMT
#617
I love how you can go super cheesy gas first for no damage and just be fine regardless.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:23 GMT
#618
On February 17 2014 21:22 Beta2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:21 liberate71 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:21 Beta2k wrote:
do i have to subscribe again? i already did once some weeks ago, but seems not to work anymore?


same boat here, not sure whats happened. I'm watching the same quality as before though, so I havent chased it up - but no chat during this is a bit meh


which quality do you watch on? i only have "medium" :/


haha, thats what I use. Twitch is a bit fucky with me recently (last 2-3 months) where anything higher I risk big moments of spinning loading logo.
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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:24 GMT
#619
On February 17 2014 21:23 SC2Toastie wrote:
I love how you can go super cheesy gas first for no damage and just be fine regardless.


And contain a two base Terran with a single stalker and an oracle! :D
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:24 GMT
#620
On February 17 2014 21:23 SC2Toastie wrote:
I love how you can go super cheesy gas first for no damage and just be fine regardless.

If you look closely, PartinG is actually behind in upgrades and supply
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#621
GG Flash
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#622
Just threw away his lead.. ffs Flash
The curse is real
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#623
poor flash
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#624
On February 17 2014 21:24 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:23 SC2Toastie wrote:
I love how you can go super cheesy gas first for no damage and just be fine regardless.

If you look closely, PartinG is actually behind in upgrades and supply

Not anymore.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:26:04
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#625
They should send in MKP as the ace to show Parting who's boss
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#626
Flash is no Polt.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:25 GMT
#627
Not Polt's nexus killing gift.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:26:31
February 17 2014 12:26 GMT
#628
Flash WTF , kill them pylons , snipe templars , don't waste your army on a nexus snipe ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:26 GMT
#629
On February 17 2014 21:25 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:24 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:23 SC2Toastie wrote:
I love how you can go super cheesy gas first for no damage and just be fine regardless.

If you look closely, PartinG is actually behind in upgrades and supply

Not anymore.

flash's fault though for the crappy drop
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:26 GMT
#630
On February 17 2014 21:25 Lorning wrote:
They should send in MKP as the ace to show Parting who's boss


1v1 League of Legends is pretty boring.
The curse is real
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:26 GMT
#631
Only Polt can snipe nexus with his complex army splitting and movement.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 17 2014 12:26 GMT
#632
On February 17 2014 21:25 Lorning wrote:
They should send in MKP as the ace to show Parting who's boss

maybe 2 years ago yea
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:28:10
February 17 2014 12:27 GMT
#633
Well done Flash. For a second i thought you were really gonna win

Edit: Oh its not over yet
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:28 GMT
#634
Seems like Protoss players were just waiting for a ghost buff to start putting templars in warp prisms. How much more do they have up their sleeves though?
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 17 2014 12:28 GMT
#635
On February 17 2014 21:26 Fuell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:25 Lorning wrote:
They should send in MKP as the ace to show Parting who's boss

maybe 2 years ago yea


Probably not, there was no reconnect feature then.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:29 GMT
#636
Flash's 14 cc and macro are a sight to behold , his micro is not so bad either , but his decision making is god alwful at some times ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:29 GMT
#637
i dno i've never really been impressed with flash's macro
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 17 2014 12:30 GMT
#638
On February 17 2014 21:28 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:26 Fuell wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:25 Lorning wrote:
They should send in MKP as the ace to show Parting who's boss

maybe 2 years ago yea


Probably not, there was no reconnect feature then.

HA lol
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 17 2014 12:30 GMT
#639
Really ? Best type of storms ?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:30 GMT
#640
oh hey they have upgrade notifications on the right, i just noticed
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
February 17 2014 12:31 GMT
#641
On February 17 2014 21:29 raga4ka wrote:
Flash's 14 cc and macro are a sight to behold , his micro is not so bad either , but his decision making is god alwful at some times ...


His mirco was god awefull this game
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:33:22
February 17 2014 12:32 GMT
#642
They all find how warp prisms are too fast for anything Terran to kill it other than stimmed marines. Commentators think its abit unfortunate.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:33 GMT
#643
On February 17 2014 21:31 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:29 raga4ka wrote:
Flash's 14 cc and macro are a sight to behold , his micro is not so bad either , but his decision making is god awful at some times ...


His mirco was god awefull this game


Yeah he needs work on his micro ...
Alvis
Profile Joined July 2011
876 Posts
February 17 2014 12:33 GMT
#644
lol 70 supply lead
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:33 GMT
#645
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
 
13%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
47%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
20%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:33 GMT
#646
TvP Game 3: Flash vs. PartinG on Outboxer

Flash opens with CC-first while PartinG goes for a proxy oracle but it does little damage.
The game goes pretty standard from there, with Flash going for bio and PartinG getting storm and upgrades.
Flash gets ghosts while pressuring PartinG. PartinG barely holds onto his main nexus, and takes out a large amount of Flash's army in the drop. PartinG then moves out to pressure Flash.
Flash does get the nexus again soon after though with another drop, but PartinG is still camping outside Flash's natural.
Flash manages to push PartinG a bit back, but PartinG soon pressures again with good storms. Flash defends and both stabilise on 3 bases. There are a few skirmishes, but none of them are particularly gamebreaking. PartinG does slowly pull ahead, though.
PartinG moves out and attacks Flash's 3rd, and barely wins the fight there. PartinG regroups and smacks Flash down with his next attack!

Protoss 2-1 Terran
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Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#647
Wish parting would've brought an ever longer ruler, like a 40" one.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#648
Lols.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#649
PartinG with the ruler again LOL
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#650
loooool the RULER
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#651
Lmao, the ruler ><
nice one
T P Z sagi
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#652
Flash likes to throw TvPs
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#653
The introspection written all over Flash's face was so sad.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#654
Maru v herO, nice!
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 17 2014 12:34 GMT
#655
Wolf really likes the word respect.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 12:35 GMT
#656
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 12:35 GMT
#657
You have to wonder what kind of early game advantage Flash needs to close out a TvP, if CC first against a gasfirst oracle fail is not enough.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:35 GMT
#658
On February 17 2014 21:34 DJHelium wrote:
Wolf really likes the word respect.


respect the respect
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:36:38
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#659
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:37:06
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#660
Protoss has so many options and their openings don't even put them behind when they fail. I feel like they can throw out new stuff faster than terran can even dream to adapt to it.. I feel like it will take a long time for TvP to stabilize (and it will definitely require some nerfs to protoss along the way).
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#661
It was like "Hey, Parting, I have 4 full medivacs, so how about I will stand in the most clumped way and just aim your nexus, is it OK? Well, yeah, I just storm you, k thx bye"


Also PARTING!!!! :D :D
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#662
On February 17 2014 21:34 Cokefreak wrote:
Wish parting would've brought an ever longer ruler, like a 40" one.


You mean a black ruler and an Asian nerd?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#663
On February 17 2014 21:33 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
 
0%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
 
13%

★★★ - Good game (7)
 
47%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (3)
 
20%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 17 2014 12:36 GMT
#664
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 40 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus.


Isn't that what a throw is?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 12:37 GMT
#665
KT Terran gone . Maru the only 1 left . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:37 GMT
#666
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.
Michael Probu
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 12:37 GMT
#667
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:37 GMT
#668
On February 17 2014 21:36 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 40 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus.


Isn't that what a throw is?

It's not a throw because he's gonna lose regardless.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:38 GMT
#669
On February 17 2014 21:36 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 40 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus.


Isn't that what a throw is?

The way it became a throw is retarded.

If you get a prism with 4 zealots in my main and I don't respond instantly I am dead. If I get 50 supply of MMM in your base and you move templar from your third to your main to storm a couple of times you are ahead.

The amount of effort it takes for Terran not todie to Protoss not to die is ridiculous.

Parting went FAST tech + fast third + upgrades AFTER going as first oracle for NO damage and he was ahead...?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
February 17 2014 12:38 GMT
#670
On February 17 2014 21:36 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 40 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus.


Isn't that what a throw is?


Or you get steamrolled head on a couple of minutes sooner, unless you can make mmm ghost viking work in the lategame.
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
February 17 2014 12:38 GMT
#671
I am looking forward seeing MKP back in action, at the moment he is an analytic, right?
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 12:38 GMT
#672
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.



mines? im a noob id really like to know
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#673
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.

No - it got nerfed for TvT xD
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#674
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


HT are cheaper and a few minutes earlier + warpins so it is always 10 templars vs 3-4 ghosts.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#675
On February 17 2014 21:38 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.



mines? im a noob id really like to know

Hellbat, but they were nerfedbecause TvT was bad.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#676
They should show Flash's camera when the Templars came defending in the main, I'm unsure he was watching when the first Storm landed.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#677
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


Terrans got fungal growth and banelings? D:
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#678
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


When you get behind in TvP its hard to come back.
The curse is real
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
February 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#679
Flash getting wrecked yay!
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#680
I've heard the lyrics so many times, but have only just realised he says "Golden Cobra"
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#681
On February 17 2014 21:39 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


Terrans got fungal growth and banelings? D:


Colossi counter zealots as well
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#682
I just realised there were 3 matches between ex-teammates today:

TY vs RorO (both ex-WMF)
TY vs herO (both ex-WMF)
Creator vs Maru (ex-Prime)
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#683
Do it Maru , PLEASE !!!!!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#684
On February 17 2014 21:39 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


When you get behind in TvP its hard to come back.

Hard too? I don't recall the last time that happened.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 17 2014 12:40 GMT
#685
On February 17 2014 21:38 TheFlexN wrote:
I am looking forward seeing MKP back in action, at the moment he is an analytic, right?

Yeah he's casting with two other korean casters and Stork atm.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:41 GMT
#686
On February 17 2014 21:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:39 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


When you get behind in TvP its hard to come back.

Hard too? I don't recall the last time that happened.

just at IEM a few hours ago
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Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
February 17 2014 12:41 GMT
#687
I'm torn between hero and maru, i like them both >.<
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:41 GMT
#688
On February 17 2014 21:41 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:39 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


When you get behind in TvP its hard to come back.

Hard too? I don't recall the last time that happened.

just at IEM a few hours ago

Before that, haven't caught up with IEM yet.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:41 GMT
#689
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#690
herO is quite good looking.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#691
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


No it is Blizzard who doesn't understand that you can't go for bio, medivacs, ghosts, vikings and hellbats, upgrade all those units etc. + hellbats have bio tag so they would get destroyed by archons and they can't be microed out of storm.

Terran has a counter to mass chargelot only in theory but it is not really possible to use them in actual scenarios.

You can go for hellbats like ForGG does but then you must skip ghosts. Or go for ghosts but then you can't get hellbats as well. And ghosts are still much more important to have.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#692
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#693
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

flash should have had that except that he threw 4 medivacs and didn't even get the nexus until he threw two more at it
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TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 17 2014 12:42 GMT
#694
On February 17 2014 21:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:39 Tobblish wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 Fjodorov wrote:
Getting a bit tired of watching mass storms blanketing the bio army. A storm or two and you can split if you are good enough but just watching bio die to so many storms at once isnt fun because its there is no way you can micro against it. Ghost should help but im not seeing ghost being used successfully


When you get behind in TvP its hard to come back.

Hard too? I don't recall the last time that happened.

yesterday
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 12:43 GMT
#695
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

Don't get banned man! We need you to translate the chat
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 17 2014 12:43 GMT
#696
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#697
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#698
On February 17 2014 21:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


No it is Blizzard who doesn't understand that you can't go for bio, medivacs, ghosts, vikings and hellbats, upgrade all those units etc. + hellbats have bio tag so they would get destroyed by archons and they can't be microed out of storm.

Terran has a counter to mass chargelot only in theory but it is not really possible to use them in actual scenarios.

You can go for hellbats like ForGG does but then you must skip ghosts. Or go for ghosts but then you can't get hellbats as well. And ghosts are still much more important to have.

That is the reason they are trying out Widow Mine buff.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#699
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

You do realise how ridiculous that sounds...
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#700
THE TREE BOSS HAS BEEN DEFEATED!!!
The curse is real
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#701
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#702
On February 17 2014 21:43 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

Don't get banned man! We need you to translate the chat


Haha just frustrated as a spectator
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#703
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

How so?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:45 GMT
#704
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:45 GMT
#705
On February 17 2014 21:44 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


No it is Blizzard who doesn't understand that you can't go for bio, medivacs, ghosts, vikings and hellbats, upgrade all those units etc. + hellbats have bio tag so they would get destroyed by archons and they can't be microed out of storm.

Terran has a counter to mass chargelot only in theory but it is not really possible to use them in actual scenarios.

You can go for hellbats like ForGG does but then you must skip ghosts. Or go for ghosts but then you can't get hellbats as well. And ghosts are still much more important to have.

That is the reason they are trying out Widow Mine buff.


Yeah I know but that is again an early-mid game change, a way to maybe contain protoss on 2 bases a bit longer.
WM won't work once colossus numbers get high and that is exactly the army protoss will have in the late game.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#706
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#707
On February 17 2014 21:42 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

flash should have had that except that he threw 4 medivacs and didn't even get the nexus until he threw two more at it


Parting got storms out already. I'd be very hesitant to declare that terran has a lead once storms are out.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#708
Nowadays your attack is 'poor' if your opponent responds at all, like Parting? Even with something as silly as 3 fucking templar MOVING FROM THIRD TO MAIN and a simple click of overcharge? vs 40 supply MMM?

Maru beat Creator by dropping marines and Creator typing in chat.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#709
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.


You are making Flash sound like a gold player
The curse is real
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#710
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

the captain hindsight strikes again
Michael Probu
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#711
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#712
On February 17 2014 21:42 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

flash should have had that except that he threw 4 medivacs and didn't even get the nexus until he threw two more at it


Stop arguing. Don't try to be reasonable. You should realize by now that it's not helping. It's like the bl-infestor era, we have to endure the balance whine, focus on the cool things and wait until it's over. Too many people already got their mind on P op and see it in every single game (even if the Terran made huge mistakes) and sadly nothing you say will change their minds
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#713
MKP is boasting how he made what Maru is today by being his mentor haha making sure all the skills were transferred while making sure his weaknesses were covered with Maru.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#714
I'm not gonna waste my time with the numerous Protoss forum knights. there's so many because they don't need to practice to maintain a good ladderrank trollol.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
February 17 2014 12:47 GMT
#715
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.



but didn't he have to attack? i mean he had to try and take advantage off the failed oracle, right.?
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#716
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#717
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.

Oh, sorry. That one was a slightly bad trade because zealots were out and he didn't have medivacs to kite them. Anyway Flash did pull back in the end to avoid severely overextending. It was still not a very good decision though
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#718
On February 17 2014 21:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:44 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


No it is Blizzard who doesn't understand that you can't go for bio, medivacs, ghosts, vikings and hellbats, upgrade all those units etc. + hellbats have bio tag so they would get destroyed by archons and they can't be microed out of storm.

Terran has a counter to mass chargelot only in theory but it is not really possible to use them in actual scenarios.

You can go for hellbats like ForGG does but then you must skip ghosts. Or go for ghosts but then you can't get hellbats as well. And ghosts are still much more important to have.

That is the reason they are trying out Widow Mine buff.


Yeah I know but that is again an early-mid game change, a way to maybe contain protoss on 2 bases a bit longer.
WM won't work once colossus numbers get high and that is exactly the army protoss will have in the late game.

I really don't think that is true, because if you attack JUST with Colossi to destroy the mines, there will be Vikings that have the same range. Also, Mines with upgrade burrow in 1 sec, you can just burrow them when the Protoss commits to the attack with massive Zealot army and pull back with the Bio.

I think that it will definitely help against masses of Zealots.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#719
Haven't seen a Blink build in a while. Nice!
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:15:18
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#720
On February 17 2014 21:46 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:42 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

flash should have had that except that he threw 4 medivacs and didn't even get the nexus until he threw two more at it


Stop arguing. Don't try to be reasonable. You should realize by now that it's not helping. It's like the bl-infestor era, we have to endure the balance whine, focus on the cool things and wait until it's over. Too many people already got their mind on P op and see it in every single game (even if the Terran made huge mistakes) and sadly nothing you say will change their minds

NVM
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#721
On February 17 2014 21:44 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

You do realise how ridiculous that sounds...


Makes complete sense to me lol
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 17 2014 12:49 GMT
#722
this is some kind of sick joke......
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 17 2014 12:49 GMT
#723
On February 17 2014 21:47 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.



but didn't he have to attack? i mean he had to try and take advantage off the failed oracle, right.?

Yes, I think his 3 rax stim attempt was not bad. Unfortunately, the failed Oracle can still scout it and PartinG prepared accordingly... One sentry + Zealots. But Flash should have won without the quad drop disaster.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 12:50 GMT
#724
On February 17 2014 21:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:44 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:37 juvenal wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:35 Disarmed wrote:
zealots feel just soooo scary in large numbers
gg

hots introduced the solution! Silly terrans don't understand.


No it is Blizzard who doesn't understand that you can't go for bio, medivacs, ghosts, vikings and hellbats, upgrade all those units etc. + hellbats have bio tag so they would get destroyed by archons and they can't be microed out of storm.

Terran has a counter to mass chargelot only in theory but it is not really possible to use them in actual scenarios.

You can go for hellbats like ForGG does but then you must skip ghosts. Or go for ghosts but then you can't get hellbats as well. And ghosts are still much more important to have.

That is the reason they are trying out Widow Mine buff.


Yeah I know but that is again an early-mid game change, a way to maybe contain protoss on 2 bases a bit longer.
WM won't work once colossus numbers get high and that is exactly the army protoss will have in the late game.

I agree, its time they did something do terran lategame, bring back carpet EMPs by buffing EMP radius for example.

However what I can gather from David Kims reasoning is that he wants terrans to be desperate to kill protoss in the midgame because it creates games of constant aggression (and infinite frustration for terran players).
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:50 GMT
#725
On February 17 2014 21:47 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.



but didn't he have to attack? i mean he had to try and take advantage off the failed oracle, right.?


Yes. But he couldn't. That is exactly what frustrates terran. Compare this to the game where TY's proxy factory failed. He was miles behind. Nothing wrong with that, but same should apply to protoss but it doesn't, even if you rush storm after failed proxy.
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
February 17 2014 12:51 GMT
#726
Wish the volume was a tiny bit higher
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#727
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.
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Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#728
oh yeah MARU
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:52 GMT
#729
wooooo gogo Maru
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Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
February 17 2014 12:53 GMT
#730
This style of casting really annoys me. They only bother to actually talk about the game when a fight happens. There is plenty of crucial things happening but they just talk about coffee?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:53 GMT
#731
this is how you take out a nexus lol
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 12:53 GMT
#732
On February 17 2014 21:48 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.

Oh, sorry. That one was a slightly bad trade because zealots were out and he didn't have medivacs to kite them. Anyway Flash did pull back in the end to avoid severely overextending. It was still not a very good decision though


That is the problem terrans are complaining about. Flash deflects proxy oracles and yet, he cannot go across the map to trade efficiently because of PO. That is a risk/reward issue. If terrans go mass hellions in TvZ and get deflected, zergs will just ram roaches into the natural.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#733
Storm DONE!
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#734
On February 17 2014 21:48 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:46 Yello wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.

flash should have had that except that he threw 4 medivacs and didn't even get the nexus until he threw two more at it


Stop arguing. Don't try to be reasonable. You should realize by now that it's not helping. It's like the bl-infestor era, we have to endure the balance whine, focus on the cool things and wait until it's over. Too many people already got their mind on P op and see it in every single game (even if the Terran made huge mistakes) and sadly nothing you say will change their minds

Wow. Hahahah.

Apparantly going for cheese without A SINGLE KILL is fine, as well as leaving your main completely undefended against 40 supply of units. Indeed, no mistakes from Parting!


That's exactly what I meant...
I didn't say that Parting made no mistakes. Your answer is exactly what I was talking about. You took only that single thing out of my post to complain some more about Protoss, because that's the only thing you see
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 12:54 GMT
#735
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:03:04
February 17 2014 12:55 GMT
#736
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.

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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 17 2014 12:55 GMT
#737
On February 17 2014 21:53 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:48 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:46 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 opterown wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:43 TheDwf wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:42 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:36 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Flash likes to throw TvPs

-throw-?

He lost when he lost 50 supply to 6+Overcharge while sniping a nexus and Parting didn't even have defense in his base -.-.


Well that exacly was a throw right there , he also donated some units on his first push on the natural ...

Donated? He tried to attack, that's all. Nothing was "donated".

it was a very poor attack

Define -poor-.

Parting gor 40 supply of units dropped in his base and has nothing to defend close by. Still came out ahead.

Flash's unit positioning was sub-optimal. He clustered his army between buildings, letting a storm catch them nicely.

We're talking about the stim push at the natural, not the quad drop.

Oh, sorry. That one was a slightly bad trade because zealots were out and he didn't have medivacs to kite them. Anyway Flash did pull back in the end to avoid severely overextending. It was still not a very good decision though


That is the problem terrans are complaining about. Flash deflects proxy oracles and yet, he cannot go across the map to trade efficiently because of PO. That is a risk/reward issue. If terrans go mass hellions in TvZ and get deflected, zergs will just ram roaches into the natural.

Blizzard is already experimenting with nerfing photon overcharge. We'll have to see how much that helps.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 17 2014 12:55 GMT
#738
Do a Polt, fly away!
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Belgica34432 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#739
...........
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#740
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
18%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
18%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
55%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
17%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
33%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

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Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:57:28
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#741
Nvm no power.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#742
Well Maru was ahead for a moment at least.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#743
TvP Game 4: Maru vs. herO on Bel'Shir Vestige

Maru opens CC-first while herO opens with gate-cycore-nexus. The game is pretty quiet.
herO goes for blink-stalkers while Maru gets stim.
herO moves out with his blink. Maru holds off the first series of blinks and the second one without too many losses.
The game stabilises from there, with herO expanding and getting charge and templar.
Maru moves out to pressure herO with MMM. He gets a good trade but herO stabilises.
Maru drops herO's main and takes out the nexus.
Storm finishes and herO moves out to attack Maru's natural. Maru goes for the base-race.
Maru gets the nexus and some production but loses too much of his base to come back.

Protoss wins 3-1!
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RyF
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria508 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#744
surprise!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#745
On February 17 2014 21:56 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
18%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
18%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
55%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
17%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
33%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


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Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#746
On February 17 2014 21:56 Lorning wrote:
...........

Sums it up perfectly
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#747
Hero didn't even touch keyboard
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#748
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#749
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:00:32
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#750
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...

So deflecting a proxy build is a small lead? did you see what happens to fail 11-11 in TvZs in WoL? There is no recovery unless the zerg derps their banes.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#751
It makes me wonder how Flash , Baby and Maru are at the top of the rankings in PL wins with those games ...
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#752
Can´t win basetrades against that many templar. poor maru D:
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:58:35
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#753
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


I learned today that only herO had more wins than him (as protoss) in Proleague Round 1
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#754
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#755
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:00:21
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#756
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18403 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#757
On February 17 2014 21:58 imrusty269 wrote:
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS


herO is after all the only two time IEM champion of all time
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#758
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?


It was Creator (just to solve the mystery).
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#759
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?

Oh then you are talking about MarineKing.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#760
kinda lackluster games today oh well
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kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#761
Did they just say that they always come< together?
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#762
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#763
On February 17 2014 21:59 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?

Oh then you are talking about MarineKing.

One is saying it is Baby, another one that it is Creator and you that it is MarineKing. LOL
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#764
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?


I thought it must be TY, but it doenst really look like him. I keep looking, and I went to here for answer keke.
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PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#765
On February 17 2014 21:58 imrusty269 wrote:
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS

sarcasm?
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 17 2014 13:01 GMT
#766
On February 17 2014 22:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:59 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?

Oh then you are talking about MarineKing.

One is saying it is Baby, another one that it is Creator and you that it is MarineKing. LOL

It was actually BoXeR
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 17 2014 13:01 GMT
#767
On February 17 2014 22:00 opterown wrote:
kinda lackluster games today oh well

Well yeah, seems so after IEM
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 13:02 GMT
#768
anyway someone with more passion than me should make ZvP for tomorrow ;p
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 13:02 GMT
#769
On February 17 2014 22:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:59 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?

Oh then you are talking about MarineKing.

One is saying it is Baby, another one that it is Creator and you that it is MarineKing. LOL

You're talking about 'that guy'haha :D
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 13:02 GMT
#770
On February 17 2014 22:00 PanzerElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:58 imrusty269 wrote:
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS

sarcasm?

His storms were amazing! Great mind game by going blink all in too!
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:04:29
February 17 2014 13:02 GMT
#771
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)


I am not saying what Flash did was good in the current meta, yeah, it was a bad trade.

But don't you see a problem when a race can do a proxy build that fails, still go fast tech AND defend aggression? Plus fast third is not that easy to take with oracle still on the field.
michlin
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom11 Posts
February 17 2014 13:02 GMT
#772
On February 17 2014 21:58 raga4ka wrote:
It makes me wonder how Flash , Baby and Maru are at the top of the rankings in PL wins with those games ...


because in proleague so far they have been playing against Bteam level players, flash got demolished by parting and soulkey, terran can win when the terran player is far superior as a player but when its even, terran just gets smacked to the floor and kicked in the nuts

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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 17 2014 13:03 GMT
#773
On February 17 2014 22:02 michlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:58 raga4ka wrote:
It makes me wonder how Flash , Baby and Maru are at the top of the rankings in PL wins with those games ...


because in proleague so far they have been playing against Bteam level players, flash got demolished by parting and soulkey, terran can win when the terran player is far superior as a player but when its even, terran just gets smacked to the floor and kicked in the nuts


+ This is just a showmatch, they don't really play their A game or cute strategies.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 13:04 GMT
#774
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 13:05 GMT
#775
When I saw the lineups, I even expected terran dominance. I mean, those are without doubt the 3 best Terrans of all Teams in Pro League while for Zerg and Protoss you can argue at least about some players being the best of their race. (For Protoss Creator is clearly not) And the PL mappool isn´t that bad for terran either. So a 2-6 overall is really kinda shocking. Especially the game between Parting and Flash, I don´t get how you can lose after a BO advantage like that. xX
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 13:06 GMT
#776
Zerg should have this one in the bag, Creator drags down the protoss team too much.

If all else fails Soulkey will take 3 wins.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 13:07 GMT
#777
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.

OK. Sure. Whatever you want. Not gonna lecture you because it is a waste of my time.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:10:51
February 17 2014 13:08 GMT
#778
On February 17 2014 22:02 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)


I am not saying what Flash did was good in the current meta, yeah, it was a bad trade.

But don't you see a problem when a race can do a proxy build that fails, still go fast tech AND defend aggression? Plus fast third is not that easy to take with oracle still on the field.


flash had a lead regardless of his aggression getting stopped (though it could have been bigger imo). His downfall was the drop in the main that did not get the nexus. That's were he lost his lead (and more than that).
Had he killed probes and run out, he would have increased his lead. Just camping the third while getting his third+ghosts would have probably been a good way to play it out as well.

Imo, TvP has quite some problems. But that game did not showcase any of them.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 13:11 GMT
#779
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
February 17 2014 13:13 GMT
#780
So does this confirm Terran as the worst race? Or will we and especially Blizzard's game designers be able to find some new excuses?

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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 13:15 GMT
#781
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


Actually, colossi tech is 'safer' because you can get obs from robo to scout for drops/attacks while you tech to robotics and range, plus colossi do ok without thermal lances upgrade while Templars only have feedback before storm is finished. That is why in WoL, Colo builds were much more popular to defend vs the strong Terran mid game once stim and medivacs were out.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:20:11
February 17 2014 13:16 GMT
#782
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


Cheese is defined by answering the question "can it be defended if scouted" . Since 2 rax always kill zerg hypothetically, 2 rax is not cheese. You're a genius.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 17 2014 13:16 GMT
#783
On February 17 2014 22:13 Soohyung wrote:
So does this confirm Terran as the worst race? Or will we and especially Blizzard's game designers be able to find some new excuses?

8 games at a special event confirms jack all
Yhamm is the god of predictions
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:18:33
February 17 2014 13:17 GMT
#784
On February 17 2014 22:08 Big J wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:02 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)


I am not saying what Flash did was good in the current meta, yeah, it was a bad trade.

But don't you see a problem when a race can do a proxy build that fails, still go fast tech AND defend aggression? Plus fast third is not that easy to take with oracle still on the field.


flash had a lead regardless of his aggression getting stopped (though it could have been bigger imo). His downfall was the drop in the main that did not get the nexus. That's were he lost it.
Had he killed probes and run out, he would have increased his lead. Just camping the third while getting his third+ghosts would have probably been a good way to play it out as well.

Imo, TvP has quite some problems. But that game did not showcase any of them.

of course it did. One shouldn't be able to rush gas tech with no success and then defend with minerals only (mass zealots + overcharge). Flash had a nice stim timing, but it didn't force parting to invest gas (which he had no - hence flash should've been able to do massive damage after the failed proxy) in sentries or other useless stuff to defend.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:21:58
February 17 2014 13:18 GMT
#785
On February 17 2014 22:08 Big J wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:02 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)


I am not saying what Flash did was good in the current meta, yeah, it was a bad trade.

But don't you see a problem when a race can do a proxy build that fails, still go fast tech AND defend aggression? Plus fast third is not that easy to take with oracle still on the field.


flash had a lead regardless of his aggression getting stopped (though it could have been bigger imo). His downfall was the drop in the main that did not get the nexus. That's were he lost his lead (and more than that).
Had he killed probes and run out, he would have increased his lead. Just camping the third while getting his third+ghosts would have probably been a good way to play it out as well.

Imo, TvP has quite some problems. But that game did not showcase any of them.


It doesn't take a perfect game to showcase issues. The fact the oracle opening that was block and didn't put PartinG significantly behind is already an issue. The rest of the game is not relevant for that point, and yes, Flash did make a mistake with the drop.

There is a difference between saying there is an issue with a part of the game and saying that issue was what caused one of the players to lose.

You can show me VoD of any 1-1-1 game where Protoss lost and I could tell you what micro mistake he made in that game.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 17 2014 13:19 GMT
#786
On February 17 2014 22:16 Scarecrow wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:13 Soohyung wrote:
So does this confirm Terran as the worst race? Or will we and especially Blizzard's game designers be able to find some new excuses?

8 games at a special event confirms jack all


9 protoss wins for the past 10 tournaments does say something however including the type of finals you are witnessing and the amount of protoss players involved.

But .. it is indeed somewhat disturbing to see 3 BEST terrans get manhandled by not even their counterpart players (Id think the zerg/protoss lineup could look more scary than what it is now).
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
February 17 2014 13:19 GMT
#787
When I go for a proxy build like this

http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-609-supernova-vs-trap/

I as a terran and as any well designed race HAS to do some economical dmg because i'm behind in economy, The aggression is a RISK yes a RISK a word forgotten by protoss when they discovered MsC. Also I delay my tech and my transition to mid game.

Why protoss can still proxy cheese things that can potentially outright win them the game (DT/blink Not allin because it's not anymore) and still not sacrifice anything at all playing disgustingly greedy?

The low risk/ high reward of all currents "aggressive" opening from protoss is the problem atm.
TvP atm is summed up like this :

1) try to survive to the playbook of "allins but not so much"
2) be behind in economy and tech because of 1)
3) try to take an edge vs protoss by succession of lucky/very skillful moves microing at least 2 front + defending from a WP.
4) eventually win after an exhausting and unfair match
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 13:19 GMT
#788
On February 17 2014 22:16 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:13 Soohyung wrote:
So does this confirm Terran as the worst race? Or will we and especially Blizzard's game designers be able to find some new excuses?

8 games at a special event confirms jack all


Yet one good week for Terrans in PL does? Week 2...
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 13:19 GMT
#789
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 13:23 GMT
#790
On February 17 2014 22:16 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:13 Soohyung wrote:
So does this confirm Terran as the worst race? Or will we and especially Blizzard's game designers be able to find some new excuses?

8 games at a special event confirms jack all

It's part of an on going pattern so we can't discard it.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 13:24 GMT
#791
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
February 17 2014 13:31 GMT
#792
I think a big part of what allows protoss to rush storm or colossi is the fact that terran has a hard time to scout after the first reaper as the scan is random and it's hard to sneak a reaper once there is MSC and 2 stalkers. The terran has to prepare a bit for everything : oracle, blink all in (which is hard to distinguish from blink pressure), DT, warp prism drop. It's hard to punish the fast tech once you have prepared a bit for everything and the protoss has 2 overcharges ready. Then the terran has to gamble a bit on ghosts or vikings and the timing of the switch.

Polt brings a smart solution : stretch the protoss army at the maximum so colossi and storms lose effectiveness and it allows to abuse the superior mobility of terrans while delaying the gas heavy protoss army.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 13:31 GMT
#793
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
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yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 17 2014 13:31 GMT
#794
Why wasn't ZvP played?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 13:32 GMT
#795
On February 17 2014 22:31 boxerfred wrote:
Why wasn't ZvP played?

tomorrow
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 13:33 GMT
#796
On February 17 2014 22:31 boxerfred wrote:
Why wasn't ZvP played?

Tomorrow. Probably takes more time :D
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 17 2014 13:44 GMT
#797
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
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It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
February 17 2014 13:48 GMT
#798
Someone should sub the games MKP and Stork casted
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
February 17 2014 13:48 GMT
#799
GG Protoss
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 17 2014 13:54 GMT
#800
On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
[quote]

He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 17 2014 13:57 GMT
#801
On February 17 2014 22:33 SC2Toastie wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:31 boxerfred wrote:
Why wasn't ZvP played?

Tomorrow. Probably takes more time :D


indeed.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 14:01 GMT
#802
On February 17 2014 22:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
[quote]

He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.

No offense, but any recent discussion I've seen with BigJ goes like this...
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 14:19:12
February 17 2014 14:18 GMT
#803
On February 17 2014 23:01 SC2Toastie wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
[quote]

Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.

No offense, but any recent discussion I've seen with BigJ goes like this...


Pretty much. Big J's argument seems to be

1) If he can get away with it, it is not greedy
2) deflected proxy play cannot be punished until 20 minutes into the game if you play it out right because that is how the game works

It is like saying back in WoL BL infestor era, Protoss should never have lost vs Zerg because the game was balanced around Mothership getting off vortex on the Zerg army. Protoss only lost because they let their mothership get neural (mistake by Protoss player). Protoss players usually won when they got the vortex off, isn't that true?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 15:14:24
February 17 2014 14:39 GMT
#804
On February 17 2014 23:18 vthree wrote:
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On February 17 2014 23:01 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
[quote]
It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.

No offense, but any recent discussion I've seen with BigJ goes like this...


Pretty much. Big J's argument seems to be

1) If he can get away with it, it is not greedy
2) deflected proxy play cannot be punished until 20 minutes into the game if you play it out right because that is how the game works

It is like saying back in WoL BL infestor era, Protoss should never have lost vs Zerg because the game was balanced around Mothership getting off vortex on the Zerg army. Protoss only lost because they let their mothership get neural (mistake by Protoss player). Protoss players usually won when they got the vortex off, isn't that true?


Nope, you could split your army far enough that even two vortex couldn't win a Protoss the game. Especially since you probably did not get the Archons to even use two Vortex at once for Archon toilets, so it basically came down do killing 5BLs with an archon toilet, while losing the rest of your army.
NP on the mothership was for the most part an additional/easy way to win the game, but far from required from the Zerg to get off.


I'm not saying that deflected proxy play cannot be punished or should be unpunishable. But if a specific proxy cannot be punished by pushing that does not mean "it is not supposed to happen".
Look, noone* has a problem with Zerg having to defend 1-2waves of Terran bio play before being able to push themselves without putting everything on the line. You usually cannot "just" punish the Terran for taking one bad engagment by pushing yourself.
Noone* has a problem that you cannot just chill on the map with stray units against Zerg as Terran, even if you killed a ton of drones early. Because those zerglings will still rip your troops apart if you try to hit without a reasonably set up timing.
Noone* has a problem with bio Terran being incapable of running into a siege line and you may be forced to expand a lot and/or tech to BCs, even if you got ahead.

*and with noone I mean most people that actually watch and enjoy the game


There are situations in the game in which pressing forward is not the right way to play, even with an advantage. But somehow these days anything a Protoss can defend is being called imba on. And I'm just saying, no it's not. The TvP matchup has its balance problems, but that does not make every specific game in which the Protoss won problematic.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 17 2014 14:40 GMT
#805
Whelp that was not really what I was expecting :'(
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
February 17 2014 15:23 GMT
#806
On February 17 2014 23:40 ZenithM wrote:
Whelp that was not really what I was expecting :'(


Yeah wtf! I was expecting Terran to 0-3 both series, not 1-3.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
February 17 2014 15:37 GMT
#807
I was hoping for Terran to at least go 2-3 against zerg or even 3-2. But 1-3

Though 1-3 against Toss was expected sadly.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
February 17 2014 15:39 GMT
#808
When did they switch to a monthly instead of a per-season pay model?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 16:01 GMT
#809
On February 18 2014 00:23 Tenhou wrote:
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On February 17 2014 23:40 ZenithM wrote:
Whelp that was not really what I was expecting :'(


Yeah wtf! I was expecting Terran to 0-3 both series, not 1-3.

Look at the win in TvP
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 16:32:17
February 17 2014 16:31 GMT
#810
Free VODs anywhere?

Other than that, Terran losing did not really come as a surprise. :/
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
February 17 2014 16:33 GMT
#811
On February 17 2014 19:11 Tufas wrote:
Race wars are so silly, we all know the best players chose terran, the manliest chose protoss and some strange guys chose zerg


Eating my words like the nap that I am
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
February 17 2014 16:41 GMT
#812
On February 18 2014 01:31 Caladan wrote:
Free VODs anywhere?

Other than that, Terran losing did not really come as a surprise. :/

Youtube, as always.
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zimms
Profile Joined November 2009
Austria561 Posts
February 17 2014 16:41 GMT
#813
On February 18 2014 01:31 Caladan wrote:
Free VODs anywhere?

Other than that, Terran losing did not really come as a surprise. :/


Yes, on a big video platform. But I'm kind of confused if those VODs are 'legal', since on Twitch it tells you that you have to pay 5$/month. On the other hand, this other channel always has those VODs up and everybody seems fine with it. So I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 16:56:52
February 17 2014 16:56 GMT
#814
On February 17 2014 23:39 Big J wrote:
But somehow these days anything a Protoss can defend is being called imba on. And I'm just saying, no it's not. The TvP matchup has its balance problems, but that does not make every specific game in which the Protoss won problematic.

Agreed. Blink all-ins aside the matchup is not nearly imbalanced as all the whiners would have us believe.
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walsh_walsh
Profile Joined November 2013
United States200 Posts
February 17 2014 16:57 GMT
#815
On February 17 2014 22:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
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On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
[quote]

He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.



What the hell is your problem? All you do is balance whine. Parting's Oracle got at least 6 kills because he kept it alive for a long time and the oracle gave him a ton of scouting information(which is half the reason oracle is useful). Even thou the oracle got deflected at first, it ends up being somewhat decent for parting because of his micro. And even then, he was behind in supply for quite a long while. People like you just whines about balance all day without even watching the game closely.
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Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
February 17 2014 16:58 GMT
#816
man, flash will never get revenge on parting. he never does ceremonies right? maybe if he beats parting in a gsl final or something. also can anyone tell me what the korean text says in here @1:57? thanks.
hey man just curious
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 17:17 GMT
#817
On February 18 2014 01:57 walsh_walsh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:31 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:24 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:19 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:11 vthree wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:04 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:59 Big J wrote:
[quote]

Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

It is greedy -.-...


a) greedy is defined by answering the question "what you can get away with". Since Protoss can get away with it as seen in this game, it is not greedy.
b1) Templartech is not more expensive or less costefficient than Colossustech in HotS. So neither of those two is greedier than the other.
b2) Protoss needs Templar or Colossi fast against Terran.


And we are saying that Protoss can get away with too much... Imagine if orbitals also function as planetariums and Terrans can go 3 CC before rax. You could argue that Terrans aren't greedy because they can get away with it. Doesn't mean it is balanced.


But that game is absolutly not an example for that. Would it have hurt flash so badly to not go for this massive aggression? Not at all.
TvP problems are along the lines of safe Terran builds falling behind against macro Protoss play while not really being safe. (reaper-->reactor with an ebay being very uneconomical while still you have to invest even more into defense against other aggression/allin play if you even scout it)

Getting away with a CC first and the opponent not making anything happen with an early oracle... in such a scenario Terran has the upper hand in a macro game. But you still have to play it out, that's it.


I guess our disagreement is whether Flash had the upper hand at that point. I thought the game was about even.


Yeah. Parting was not behind at all. That is the problem. And if Flash did what Big J said - went for a third base, invested more into upgrades, ghosts etc. Parting would also be able to take his third and add colossus into the mix as well by 15-16 min. So at best, Flash and Parting were even after that failed proxy.

at worst they are even. at best he plays it similar to how he did but gets the nexus or at least the probeline.


The whole point you are missing (either intentionally or accidentally) is that player who goes for super fast risky proxy build and gets no damage should be behind.

Not ahead, not even but behind.

After that, he should think "shit I am so behind I need to do something risky to get back into it". Then he goes for a fast storm with very low army supply(which appears risky) and worst thing happens to him - his opponent with quite large army supply comes to his side of the map and attacks. He defends no problem at all. So that "risk" he did to get back into the game wasn't really risk at all.

Other scenario would be the one you mentioned. Flash tries to go for that Artosis rule and get "more ahead" but guess what, next time he pushes he is behind in upgrades because of chronoboost, he has to deal with both colossus and storm and he has to deal with chargelots.

So it is only natural that he thought he has a timing window to punish Parting. Because that is how the game works in most cases. We are talking about very experienced pro gamer here, not some rookie who is 1st time in the booth.

If you don't see a problem with that I guess there is noting more to discuss because we will always see the situation differently.



What the hell is your problem? All you do is balance whine. Parting's Oracle got at least 6 kills because he kept it alive for a long time and the oracle gave him a ton of scouting information(which is half the reason oracle is useful). Even thou the oracle got deflected at first, it ends up being somewhat decent for parting because of his micro. And even then, he was behind in supply for quite a long while. People like you just whines about balance all day without even watching the game closely.

I disagree :-)
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#818
On February 18 2014 01:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 23:39 Big J wrote:
But somehow these days anything a Protoss can defend is being called imba on. And I'm just saying, no it's not. The TvP matchup has its balance problems, but that does not make every specific game in which the Protoss won problematic.

Agreed. Blink all-ins aside the matchup is not nearly imbalanced as all the whiners would have us believe.


Well, that is like saying 1-1-1 aside, TvP wasn't an issue in mid WoL. Openers (or the threat of) is a huge deal and it directly affects mid game and late game.

It is funny you call us whiners. When most Protoss on here were saying the match up was totally fine just a month ago. It is just these few weeks that there is overwhelming evidence and Blizzard coming up with more changes. Now, the defenders of Protoss are saying it is the maps and 'blink' only.

No, the game is not impossible to win as Polt has shown. But you can't deny the fact that it is tilted in the Protosses flavor.

As you know what, when PuMa won using 1-1-1, all the Protosses shat on him even though his Protoss opponent made some big mistakes. But all the Protosses blame it on 1-1-1 anyways, same with BL-infestor.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 17:24:37
February 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#819
oh crap, I can't believe I missed this, will there be VODs up?

edit: nm, found!
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 17 2014 17:24 GMT
#820
I really liked Terran's chances in this. I expected close series either way. Unfortunately TY was unable to get a win and he was kind of the critical point in the team. PvZ should be interesting though
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illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
February 17 2014 17:32 GMT
#821
On February 18 2014 01:41 zimms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 01:31 Caladan wrote:
Free VODs anywhere?

Other than that, Terran losing did not really come as a surprise. :/


Yes, on a big video platform. But I'm kind of confused if those VODs are 'legal', since on Twitch it tells you that you have to pay 5$/month. On the other hand, this other channel always has those VODs up and everybody seems fine with it. So I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link.


Yes, ESportsTV is owned by SPOTTV. So here is the channel link: http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos
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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 18:04:09
February 17 2014 18:04 GMT
#822
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 18:13 GMT
#823
On February 18 2014 03:04 VmY wrote:
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.

I watched the last five, nothing too exciting.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 17 2014 18:24 GMT
#824
On February 18 2014 03:04 VmY wrote:
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.


It wasn't so spectacular...
U dont see the level @ IEM Cologne.

But, btw, check TY game.. ..
I feel his multi task and playstyle is nice to watch.

And Maru has amazing micro, but he has no army to micro hahahaha
I like this sentence.
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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
February 17 2014 18:26 GMT
#825
On February 18 2014 03:24 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:04 VmY wrote:
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.


It wasn't so spectacular...
U dont see the level @ IEM Cologne.

But, btw, check TY game.. ..
I feel his multi task and playstyle is nice to watch.

And Maru has amazing micro, but he has no army to micro hahahaha
I like this sentence.


Alright, I'll check some TY games out, thanks!
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 17 2014 18:26 GMT
#826
Just watched all the games, holy crap did most of the Terrans play awful. So many really gigantic mistakes, terrible army control, bad engagement choices, questionable macro...like wtf guys, you're better than that.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 18:31 GMT
#827
On February 18 2014 03:26 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Just watched all the games, holy crap did most of the Terrans play awful. So many really gigantic mistakes, terrible army control, bad engagement choices, questionable macro...like wtf guys, you're better than that.

I'm pretty sure all players made mistakes, as, you know, they're after all just people.

Parting engaged Flash multiple times with his zealots in a choke and stalker+collosi attacking depots, just to give an example.
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TW
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland255 Posts
February 17 2014 18:48 GMT
#828
The problem is that P and Z can make some mistakes, once T makes mistake the game is over.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18403 Posts
February 17 2014 18:49 GMT
#829
On February 18 2014 03:48 TW wrote:
The problem is that P and Z can make some mistakes, once T makes mistake the game is over.


all three races can make mistakes and still win a game
TW
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland255 Posts
February 17 2014 18:53 GMT
#830
No. The margin for errors for T is way smaller for Terrans.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 17 2014 19:04 GMT
#831
On February 18 2014 03:53 TW wrote:
No. The margin for errors for T is way smaller for Terrans.

Ok bro, keep thinking that.
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PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
February 17 2014 19:17 GMT
#832
On February 18 2014 04:04 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:53 TW wrote:
No. The margin for errors for T is way smaller for Terrans.

Ok bro, keep thinking that.

Or just keep pretending it isn't true. Then explain me why there's a new balance patch coming in the near future....
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 17 2014 19:41 GMT
#833
This happened because they didn't vote in Mvp
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 19:50 GMT
#834
Terran vs. Zerg
gb Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
kr Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5

Terran vs. Protoss
gb Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
kr Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 17 2014 19:52 GMT
#835
Thanks opterown,
I lob you
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 20:10:10
February 17 2014 20:06 GMT
#836
On February 18 2014 03:04 VmY wrote:
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.

1) RorO vs TY
2) Solar vs Flash
3) herO vs Maru
4) Creator vs Maru

I actually enjoy all games coz I like and root for all players but these games were the best for me

On February 18 2014 04:04 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 03:53 TW wrote:
No. The margin for errors for T is way smaller for Terrans.

Ok bro, keep thinking that.

I would not start discussing such things with a guy who has 46 posts and keeps whining even in a showmatch thread
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 20:27 GMT
#837
Just saying, there's a lot of comments over here that are way worse than mine, but because I used facts I apparantly get mass reported by a certain category of players??

With above, no, Maru v Creator was an abomination.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 20:33 GMT
#838
tbh your comments were pretty bad especially before you edited them
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 20:36 GMT
#839
Not much worse th some over here are...

I'm paying a lot of attention to it atm xD I'm a little whiny kid in my posts and I'm not sure if it is emotional or because I write too rashly in my far from perfect english
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
February 17 2014 20:44 GMT
#840
On February 18 2014 05:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
Just saying, there's a lot of comments over here that are way worse than mine, but because I used facts I apparantly get mass reported by a certain category of players??

With above, no, Maru v Creator was an abomination.

I saw enough of your stupid balance whine comments and after this:
On February 17 2014 21:01 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?

A CJ Protoss player who has recently done really well, just like all Protoss players /troll.

Not to discard Hero, he is an amazingly crisp player. He was good before it was cool :D

I stop paying attention to any your comment.
I like how people are mad and paying attention to only the game not to the players and they even manage to whine during showmatches.
walsh_walsh
Profile Joined November 2013
United States200 Posts
February 17 2014 22:44 GMT
#841
On February 18 2014 03:04 VmY wrote:
I missed the eveny, any games worth checking out? The polls aren't very helpfull these days.



I thought the two matches with Soulkey were pretty cool. They were kind of one-sided but Soulkey played super well. Amazing decision-making and crisp army control. I wish I can play zerg like that :D

Most of the others played somewhat sloppily imo, even Parting was a little sloppy.
sOs best protoss, Alliance dota fan forever
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 23:19:32
February 17 2014 23:13 GMT
#842
In Game Chat Translations:

(T)Flash vs (Z)Soulkey
Flash: lol
Soulkey: Noo



(T)Maru vs (P)Creator
Maru: (sweats)
Creator: What? lol
Maru: No scout?
Creator: You were also late
Maru: I said I was going 11/11
Creator: No rax dual CC hehe
Maru: I warned you about it too
Creator: Am I an idiot?
Maru: You're mean

Creator: Hey Maru
Creator: When you go no rax dual CC
Maru: What?
Creator: I'll show you what happens
Maru: Show me
Maru: I'm curious
Creator: Got it
Creator: Here I go
Maru: Okay
Creator: Here comes the oracle!!!!!!
Maru: (sweats)
Maru: (sweats x2)
Creator: (sweats x3)
Maru: I saw it well
Creator: Oracle
Creator: Is on the way
Maru: Hurry up
Creator: Got it
Creator: It's almost there

Creator: Hey
Creator: Maru
Maru: Where's this oracle?
Creator: Take it easy on me (sweats x2)
Maru: I lost that battle
Creator: Honestly
Creator: Then
Maru: ㅇ.ㅇ
Creator: ㅇ.ㅇ
Maru: Can't win
Creator: Maru so good
Creator: My probes
Maru: ㅠ
Creator: You're mean

Maru: Who is? (sweats)
Creator: You are
Maru: Why?
Creator: Take it easy

Maru: Hehe
Creator: Bye
Maru: Why?
Creator: PartinG's units
Creator: On the way

Maru: lol
Creator: OP (sweats)

Creator: Hey Maru (sweats x2)
Creator: You're mean
Maru: What?
Creator: You said you were doing a 11/11
Creator: Instead you do a gas build? (sweats x2)
Maru: Hehe (sweats)

Creator: Man..
Maru: lolol
Creator: GG
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 23:31 GMT
#843
haha thanks seeker
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 17 2014 23:44 GMT
#844
Lol thanks Seeker funny stuff
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 23:48 GMT
#845
On February 18 2014 05:44 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 05:27 SC2Toastie wrote:
Just saying, there's a lot of comments over here that are way worse than mine, but because I used facts I apparantly get mass reported by a certain category of players??

With above, no, Maru v Creator was an abomination.

I saw enough of your stupid balance whine comments and after this:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:01 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 17 2014 20:56 sharkie wrote:
meaningless match, but herO just outclassed TY in this game

Let's discuss after the nerf

LOL

do you even know who herO is?

A CJ Protoss player who has recently done really well, just like all Protoss players /troll.

Not to discard Hero, he is an amazingly crisp player. He was good before it was cool :D

I stop paying attention to any your comment.
I like how people are mad and paying attention to only the game not to the players and they even manage to whine during showmatches.

You stopped paying attention and proceed to still comment on it?

Also, I don't see what is wrong with those comments. It's so obviously clear that those aren't ment literally.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
February 18 2014 00:44 GMT
#846
On February 18 2014 03:48 TW wrote:
The problem is that P and Z can make some mistakes, once T makes mistake the game is over.


Dude don't even start

In starcraft all races are capable of BS, and as a Terran player I know for a fact the kind of bull a Terran can pull. i do it all the time.

Want to move out of your base? Doom drop.

Want to comeback to defend? Booster.

Want to base trade? Lift all da buildings.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 01:14:31
February 18 2014 01:14 GMT
#847
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 18 2014 02:26 GMT
#848
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 18 2014 02:45 GMT
#849
this isn't even terran's worst time, i think they had a rougher time mid-late 2012 than now
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 18 2014 05:12 GMT
#850
On February 18 2014 11:26 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.


Exactly. in Wings of Liberty, this slightly less than two month period was more like a year and a half, only it was Protoss getting slaughtered instead. Think of it like this, in Wings of Liberty one player won more GSLs than an entire race of players.

This of course doesn't mean that this is ok, the balance needs to be fixed. But this isnt Broodlord/Infestor level bad or 2011 GomTvT bad.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 18 2014 07:35 GMT
#851
On February 18 2014 14:12 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 11:26 blade55555 wrote:
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.


Exactly. in Wings of Liberty, this slightly less than two month period was more like a year and a half, only it was Protoss getting slaughtered instead. Think of it like this, in Wings of Liberty one player won more GSLs than an entire race of players.

This of course doesn't mean that this is ok, the balance needs to be fixed. But this isnt Broodlord/Infestor level bad or 2011 GomTvT bad.


Oh comon, it has been more than 2 months (it is just gotten worse due to map pool) and protoss was never UP for an entire 1.5 years. Again, not saying protoss didn't have it bad for a while, but the 2 months vs 1.5 years is just silly.

And if you want to talk about GSLs, yes, Mvp did win more than the entire protoss race. But he also won more than the rest of the terrans combine... And since MC is the #1 prize earner (yes, he did have advantage of winning foreign tournaments early on), it is hard to say protoss was UP for that long.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
February 18 2014 13:11 GMT
#852
On February 18 2014 11:26 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.


What JJH777 said is true.
Terran is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history.
Zerg in early WoL, Protoss in mid WoL, Terran in late WoL, were also underperforming, but not THAT badly, which is the point here.

Terran characteristics:
- 10% of players in code S (could be 0% in RO16).
- Top T winning against code A Protoss is considered epic.
- Top T getting dismantled against other top Z and P.

These 3 characteristics combined at the same time are unmatched in Sc2 history.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 13:38:51
February 18 2014 13:37 GMT
#853
On February 18 2014 22:11 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 11:26 blade55555 wrote:
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.


What JJH777 said is true.
Terran is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history.
Zerg in early WoL, Protoss in mid WoL, Terran in late WoL, were also underperforming, but not THAT badly, which is the point here.

Terran characteristics:
- 10% of players in code S (could be 0% in RO16).
- Top T winning against code A Protoss is considered epic.
- Top T getting dismantled against other top Z and P.

These 3 characteristics combined at the same time are unmatched in Sc2 history.

You can't say that:
Because Terran 'ruled' in early WOL we don't have a comparison for "top" player.
Also, all races have had bad times in RO16, Protoss went there with 1/2 players too.
Top T can still hold their own against TopZ/P, maybe not 50/50, but they aren't getting "dismantled". (See: Maru, Innovation, Polt, TY, Flash regularly win games)

You are gravely exaggerating.
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On February 18 2014 22:11 SiroKO wrote:
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On February 18 2014 11:26 blade55555 wrote:
On February 18 2014 10:14 JJH777 wrote:
Terran right now is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history. No race has had a 2-3 month stretch this bad results wise. Could just be variance but I doubt it.


loooooool. Toss and zerg had their horrible statistics as well back in the day. Terran is now just having a tough time, but trust me terran's isn't the worst. If anything it would be protoss (other then the past 6 months). Look at all of WoL and look at protoss results and you'll realize how bad they had it compared to terran especially now.


What JJH777 said is true.
Terran is statistically speaking the weakest any race has been in SC2 history.
Zerg in early WoL, Protoss in mid WoL, Terran in late WoL, were also underperforming, but not THAT badly, which is the point here.

Terran characteristics:
- 10% of players in code S (could be 0% in RO16).
- Top T winning against code A Protoss is considered epic.
- Top T getting dismantled against other top Z and P.

These 3 characteristics combined at the same time are unmatched in Sc2 history.


Lol is that why Polt made it through to the finals of IEM beating some of the top Protoss in the world? get that shit out of here, Terran has 1 GSL with low numbers (mostly because of the map pool is just ridiculous for PvT right now) and all of a sudden they are the worst race in history of sc2? First of all, it's been 2 month since the start of the new season, so the "offseason" months don't really count because the whole player pool wasn't really competing.

Pretty much since the start of HotS until about December or November of 2013 Protoss wasn't even reaching the ro8 in most tournaments. I don't think we had any Protoss in the final of a major tournament until Dear made it to the GSL championship and beat soO.
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