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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 17:43:50
February 15 2014 17:41 GMT
#1421
On February 16 2014 02:38 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:37 zev318 wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:34 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:29 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What are people bitching about? Mana hits hard, but JD simply has superior macro and game sense and wins the engagements.

Because 111 is just as abusive as sh, and both are awful, awful things to watch. The only reason this game will get like 4 stars or w/e is because jd held it.


Lol you're joking right? Nothing is as abusive as SH, sorry buddy.

And wtf is wrong with a held all-in? It's part of the game and it makes for some very, very intense situations at times. It was perfectly executed by JD and should get 4 stars.


i think it was more mana not executing it properly than JD holding. i dont doubt for a second that if it was a high level korean protoss, JD would have lost both games.


except, MC, the king of 2base all-ins wasn't so confident.........

MC isn't the king of 2base all-ins, the real king lives with skt atm.

In any event, the abusiveness of something is almost irrelevant to its success rate. I would still think sh style is an abusive disgusting, way of playing if it had a 5% winrate. Likewise, just about anything related to forcefields invokes similar emotional states in me. Making an impenetrable wall which can be kept up almost indefinitely as a strategy is revolting.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 15 2014 17:42 GMT
#1422
Classic vs MC! Woo
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 17:43:05
February 15 2014 17:42 GMT
#1423
It's something about the idea that you can see in an all in coming well in advance, take appropriate measures, and still lose that just bother some people, myself included. Mana lost that because he messed up, repeatedly. It's a map issue more than anything, Yeonsou is just an awful map.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2014 17:43 GMT
#1424
Unofficial World Champion title on the line!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 17:44:35
February 15 2014 17:43 GMT
#1425
Going to be interesting to see how Classic will fare in a stacked group like this outside of Korea.
Gogo Classic!

Let the power of Terran thats still exists inside guide you.
The curse is real
WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
February 15 2014 17:44 GMT
#1426
And now MC and Heromarine advancing.

One foreigner has to advance, on homeground too. And of course all hail to the president of Protoss!
Fut am Bam
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 15 2014 17:44 GMT
#1427
On February 16 2014 02:42 Squat wrote:
It's something about the idea that you can see in an all in coming well in advance, take appropriate measures, and still lose that just bother some people, myself included. Mana lost that because he messed up, repeatedly. It's a map issue more than anything, Yeonsou is just an awful map.


I don't agree. I think two-base turtling while getting upgrades and whatnot is a good strategy for holding the Immo push. And Mana -did- lose.
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
February 15 2014 17:44 GMT
#1428
On February 16 2014 02:41 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:38 tili wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:37 zev318 wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:34 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:29 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What are people bitching about? Mana hits hard, but JD simply has superior macro and game sense and wins the engagements.

Because 111 is just as abusive as sh, and both are awful, awful things to watch. The only reason this game will get like 4 stars or w/e is because jd held it.


Lol you're joking right? Nothing is as abusive as SH, sorry buddy.

And wtf is wrong with a held all-in? It's part of the game and it makes for some very, very intense situations at times. It was perfectly executed by JD and should get 4 stars.


i think it was more mana not executing it properly than JD holding. i dont doubt for a second that if it was a high level korean protoss, JD would have lost both games.


except, MC, the king of 2base all-ins wasn't so confident.........

MC isn't the king of 2base all-ins, the real king lives with skt atm.


Except it wasn't a high level Korean. And Mana didn't really do anything wrong besides miss some FF's. He was just too timid and should've went for the jugular. But like MC said, the Zerg was JD so you gotta respect him which probably contributed to Mana's reluctance to fully commit. Not to mention it was an elimination game, nerves running high man.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
February 15 2014 17:44 GMT
#1429
Here's to hoping Innovation brought his B-game, I wanna see him out-mechanic some people hard.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 17:47:18
February 15 2014 17:45 GMT
#1430
Man, TL goes crazy for JD lol

He is NOT playing well, playing like that if he faces better P players he is going to have a bad time, he really need to step it up to have a chance i dont think this level is enough to beat Rain or Hero, maybe not even Patience if he plays like yesterday

Mana made some weird mistakes in the last 2 games and Stardust, well... looks like he was recording for a Jackass movie
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
February 15 2014 17:46 GMT
#1431
On February 16 2014 02:44 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:41 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:38 tili wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:37 zev318 wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:34 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:29 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What are people bitching about? Mana hits hard, but JD simply has superior macro and game sense and wins the engagements.

Because 111 is just as abusive as sh, and both are awful, awful things to watch. The only reason this game will get like 4 stars or w/e is because jd held it.


Lol you're joking right? Nothing is as abusive as SH, sorry buddy.

And wtf is wrong with a held all-in? It's part of the game and it makes for some very, very intense situations at times. It was perfectly executed by JD and should get 4 stars.


i think it was more mana not executing it properly than JD holding. i dont doubt for a second that if it was a high level korean protoss, JD would have lost both games.


except, MC, the king of 2base all-ins wasn't so confident.........

MC isn't the king of 2base all-ins, the real king lives with skt atm.


Except it wasn't a high level Korean. And Mana didn't really do anything wrong besides miss some FF's. He was just too timid and should've went for the jugular. But like MC said, the Zerg was JD so you gotta respect him which probably contributed to Mana's reluctance to fully commit. Not to mention it was an elimination game, nerves running high man.


some? i think mana spent all of his ffs and maybe trapped < 5 roaches. that's not how you execute.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 15 2014 17:47 GMT
#1432
Oh JD won? Excellent.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 15 2014 17:47 GMT
#1433
On February 16 2014 02:44 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:41 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:38 tili wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:37 zev318 wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:34 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:29 bo1b wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What are people bitching about? Mana hits hard, but JD simply has superior macro and game sense and wins the engagements.

Because 111 is just as abusive as sh, and both are awful, awful things to watch. The only reason this game will get like 4 stars or w/e is because jd held it.


Lol you're joking right? Nothing is as abusive as SH, sorry buddy.

And wtf is wrong with a held all-in? It's part of the game and it makes for some very, very intense situations at times. It was perfectly executed by JD and should get 4 stars.


i think it was more mana not executing it properly than JD holding. i dont doubt for a second that if it was a high level korean protoss, JD would have lost both games.


except, MC, the king of 2base all-ins wasn't so confident.........

MC isn't the king of 2base all-ins, the real king lives with skt atm.


Except it wasn't a high level Korean. And Mana didn't really do anything wrong besides miss some FF's. He was just too timid and should've went for the jugular. But like MC said, the Zerg was JD so you gotta respect him which probably contributed to Mana's reluctance to fully commit. Not to mention it was an elimination game, nerves running high man.

Does someone being far worse then his opponent and almost winning seriously make that better in your eyes?

Go and watch rogue vs parting on the same map from the r1 spl play offs to see something scouted minutes in advance and still get rolled over.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
February 15 2014 17:48 GMT
#1434
I wonder what team Mana will go to...
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2014 17:48 GMT
#1435
On February 16 2014 02:48 MrMotionPicture wrote:
I wonder what team Mana will go to...

LYGF
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 15 2014 17:49 GMT
#1436
On February 16 2014 02:44 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:42 Squat wrote:
It's something about the idea that you can see in an all in coming well in advance, take appropriate measures, and still lose that just bother some people, myself included. Mana lost that because he messed up, repeatedly. It's a map issue more than anything, Yeonsou is just an awful map.


I don't agree. I think two-base turtling while getting upgrades and whatnot is a good strategy for holding the Immo push. And Mana -did- lose.

He lost because he played poorly.

But yes, 2x ling upgrades with mass spines, into fast infestors is how you deal with this. Suppy was the first to do that strategy regularly I think. I just kind of puke in my mouth every time I see a forcefield these days, it's more or less instinct at this point.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
February 15 2014 17:49 GMT
#1437
On February 16 2014 02:42 Squat wrote:
It's something about the idea that you can see in an all in coming well in advance, take appropriate measures, and still lose that just bother some people, myself included. Mana lost that because he messed up, repeatedly. It's a map issue more than anything, Yeonsou is just an awful map.


You can "take appropriate measures" to a lot of builds and still lose, that's Starcraft. It's executing those "appropriate measures" that seperates the winner from the loser. And exactly like you said, Jaedong executed his part much better than Mana did. I wouldn't say Mana "messed up repeatedly" because he really didn't. Just a missed FF once or twice can completely change the game, and like MC said if he would've recalled after killing the roach warren, collected maybe 1 immortal or 2 and left again, while warping in some more sentries, he would've been able to push again with all that army still alive and it would've been really potent. So that 1 decision really decided it in the end, everything after that was just JD taking control of the game.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 15 2014 17:49 GMT
#1438
On February 16 2014 02:49 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:44 Heartland wrote:
On February 16 2014 02:42 Squat wrote:
It's something about the idea that you can see in an all in coming well in advance, take appropriate measures, and still lose that just bother some people, myself included. Mana lost that because he messed up, repeatedly. It's a map issue more than anything, Yeonsou is just an awful map.


I don't agree. I think two-base turtling while getting upgrades and whatnot is a good strategy for holding the Immo push. And Mana -did- lose.

He lost because he played poorly.

But yes, 2x ling upgrades with mass spines, into fast infestors is how you deal with this. Suppy was the first to do that strategy regularly I think. I just kind of puke in my mouth every time I see a forcefield these days, it's more or less instinct at this point.


Which is why I'm calling you on it because it spreads a bad mood and faulty ideas in the LR thread : P
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 15 2014 17:50 GMT
#1439
On February 16 2014 02:48 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:48 MrMotionPicture wrote:
I wonder what team Mana will go to...

LYGF

Please no..
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 15 2014 17:50 GMT
#1440
On February 16 2014 02:48 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 02:48 MrMotionPicture wrote:
I wonder what team Mana will go to...

LYGF

this is getting less and less funny -.-
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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