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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 14:30:16
February 14 2014 14:28 GMT
#321
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

Right and three gate blink is unheard of and SUPER risky.

Only used by the inferior player.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 14:29 GMT
#322
On February 14 2014 23:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

Right and three gate blink is unheard of and SUPER risky.

literally 6poll
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 14 2014 14:30 GMT
#323
Never fear! I am here to side with DLO in whatever fake drama is currently going on! :D
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 14 2014 14:30 GMT
#324
On February 14 2014 23:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

Right and three gate blink is unheard of and SUPER risky.

Making a hallucination with the Sentry at that time was very risky, yes. If he stayed up his ramp and pushed out a bit later then it would have been safe because he would have FFd the ramp.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
February 14 2014 14:31 GMT
#325
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:24 NarutO wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs


HerO's build DOES account for DTs. But that pylon outside his base HAD to make him save the forcefield in case of 3gate pressure.

Basically what Apollo is saying atm.


I disagree. Fast expansion which is greedy to begin with as it could already lose against 3gate pressure due to lack of forcefields and rushing the twilight council after is in fact nothing short of a gamble. Dark templar is actually quiet a solid opening even though it doesn't deal damage most of the time.

This DT build is a pretty specific build and is perfectly fine vs 3 Gate Pressure, you can even hold 10 Gate 3 Gate with it sometimes. Ask your Protoss friends if you don't want to trust a random person on TL :D.


Yeah, it holds 3 gate pressure just fine. What it's really got trouble against is a 1gate expand into robo. That's basically the hardest counter there is to it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
February 14 2014 14:31 GMT
#326
polt and leenock are such a nice couple. ♥
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 14:32 GMT
#327
On February 14 2014 23:30 Yorkie wrote:
Never fear! I am here to side with DLO in whatever fake drama is currently going on! :D

This shit is as real as it gets.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24578 Posts
February 14 2014 14:32 GMT
#328
Please be my valentines redeye. I keep asking, and you keep ignoring me :/
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 14:32 GMT
#329
On February 14 2014 23:19 TriZ wrote:
I'm thinking

ForGG 2-1 HyuN
ForGG 0-2 HerO



ForGG 2-0 HyuN
ForGG 2-1 HerO

I predict and hope for this outcome.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 14:34:28
February 14 2014 14:33 GMT
#330
On February 14 2014 23:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

On February 14 2014 23:24 NarutO wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs


HerO's build DOES account for DTs. But that pylon outside his base HAD to make him save the forcefield in case of 3gate pressure.

Basically what Apollo is saying atm.


I disagree. Fast expansion which is greedy to begin with as it could already lose against 3gate pressure due to lack of forcefields and rushing the twilight council after is in fact nothing short of a gamble. Dark templar is actually quiet a solid opening even though it doesn't deal damage most of the time.

This DT build is a pretty specific build and is perfectly fine vs 3 Gate Pressure, you can even hold 10 Gate 3 Gate with it sometimes. Ask your Protoss friends if you don't want to trust a random person on TL :D.


Yeah, it holds 3 gate pressure just fine. What it's really got trouble against is a 1gate expand into robo. That's basically the hardest counter there is to it.

Exactly, but it's fine because despite being slightly behind you got away with expanding. Such a safe good build . Rain especially doesn't mind expanding later than usual because he is confident in his skill. Although there is shit like Gate Robo Gate Gate with heavy pressure which lets you have an Observer in your and their base in time for DTs which is the hardest of hard counters, but only works if you're like 100% expecting them to do the super DT build.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
February 14 2014 14:33 GMT
#331
On February 14 2014 23:30 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:27 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:16 Noonius wrote:
...and we're back to normal pvp

Nah that was just HerO gambling hardcore vs a much better player than him.

LOL get out of here. Both of their builds were gambles. Rain's gamble was hoping he had no detection, and HerO's gamble was hoping he didn't go DTs

Rain's build is an extremely common and safe PvP build. You don't need to do any damage with it, it's just a tool to let you expand safely.

Right and three gate blink is unheard of and SUPER risky.

Making a hallucination with the Sentry at that time was very risky, yes. If he stayed up his ramp and pushed out a bit later then it would have been safe because he would have FFd the ramp.


If he hadn't hallucinated then he'd have been completely blind and that's a surefire way to lose. You can't make any decisions in PvP if you're blind. He can't move out, he doesn't know what tech he needs, does he need units? Nah, he needed to do that. It was super smart by Rain and HerO got caught with an unlucky build matchup that Rain made even worse by delaying the hallucination scout
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 14:33 GMT
#332
alright let's get some good TvZ going
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97274 Posts
February 14 2014 14:33 GMT
#333
On February 14 2014 23:27 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:26 Shellshock wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:25 liberate71 wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 Shellshock wrote:
wow Rain is 9-1 vs HerO now. That's a more lopsided win % than Mvp vs MKP (83.33%)


MVP v MKP is a bigger pool of games though right?

sure but I mean I feel like once you get to 10 games it's pretty obvious that you're getting the beat down consistently and not by luck or unfortunate coincidence, especially in the matchup most called a coinflip

aligulac shows rivalries now, what are the most lopsided korean ones? lol

actually dw i think i got it, it's hero vs. his nerves

Idk that's up there but is it more than Startale vs teamleague hype?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 14 2014 14:35 GMT
#334
On February 14 2014 23:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:23 marvellosity wrote:
opterown & Darklord



beat me too it. Shellbot is getting involved too :D

need some angry Startale fans for a 3-way



Life is the best player ever yo.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 14:35 GMT
#335
I guess now we will see if his overall form dropped from Asus or was he just messed up in that 1st game.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97274 Posts
February 14 2014 14:36 GMT
#336
Hopefully ForGG beats Hyun!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 14 2014 14:36 GMT
#337
On February 14 2014 23:35 Qwerty85 wrote:
I guess now we will see if his overall form dropped from Asus or was he just messed up in that 1st game.

Thing is, you can't look good with mech vs Protoss, even if you're in top shape.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 14 2014 14:36 GMT
#338
ForGG please beat HerO
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 14:37 GMT
#339
On February 14 2014 23:27 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 23:26 Shellshock wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:25 liberate71 wrote:
On February 14 2014 23:18 Shellshock wrote:
wow Rain is 9-1 vs HerO now. That's a more lopsided win % than Mvp vs MKP (83.33%)


MVP v MKP is a bigger pool of games though right?

sure but I mean I feel like once you get to 10 games it's pretty obvious that you're getting the beat down consistently and not by luck or unfortunate coincidence, especially in the matchup most called a coinflip

aligulac shows rivalries now, what are the most lopsided korean ones? lol

actually dw i think i got it, it's hero vs. his nerves

Marineking vs heart of the swarm? I'm not sure.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 14 2014 14:37 GMT
#340
I am leaning towards Forgg too. Hope he goes heavy drop. Seems like Hyun is not as good as he used to be at multitasking.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
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