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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#701
On February 14 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
They should give Pet a nosebleed to make it fair


by punching or?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 11:35:32
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#702
Sora is just not having a great day, poor guy lol
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#703
rofl what a site to see
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#704
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

Just think they're acting as pawns so they can all get promoted to ravens and vikings
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#705
Tom Brady is watching GSL?
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#706
On February 14 2014 20:35 Noonius wrote:
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On February 14 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
They should give Pet a nosebleed to make it fair


by punching or?


idk but it sounds like tastosis agrees with me
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#707
Definitely a funny day of GSL hahahahah
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#708
On February 14 2014 20:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...

How? You can't exactly just place Swarm Hosts wherever you want and hope for the best. Just like tanks, positioning and support is important. They fill quite similar roles, imo.

Swarm hosts are generally placed in big clumps so they can send mass waves of little bugs at enemies to whittle them down over time. You don't even need to risk real units because locusts travel so far and live so long. A tank can never attack anything unless it is moved significantly further forward, and it never has the advantage of an endless mass of free units that the enemy has to fight through before being able to engage them. They may both be siege units but the tank has to be used in a much more risky fashion, making its placement and spread much more important. There's a reason that tank/viking turtle doesn't work in TvP even though swarm host/corruptor turtle works in ZvP.
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
February 14 2014 11:36 GMT
#709

"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 11:36 GMT
#710
phenylephrine is good for nosebleeds
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#711
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

There haven't been a whole lot of Terran games to watch lately, but go and take a gander at some of the TvZ mech Flash and TY have been playing in SPL lately. Then you can come back and apologize.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#712
On February 14 2014 20:36 opterown wrote:
phenylephrine is good for nosebleeds

Do you also know medicines to cure curses?
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#713
On February 14 2014 20:33 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:24 Keeemy wrote:
People love mech but hate SHs..? Seriously wat.


You think we would have games like SK vs. Reality if zergs had some other unit to combat mech instead of SH.
SH are the problem because they block movement of ground units so you have no choice but to turtle to sky terran army.


You say that the issue in Zerg vs Mech is that zerg doesn't have any good unit except for SHs.

How is SHs the problem and not that every other unit is bad?


Because SH causes boring and super passive prolonged games in all matchups we see them.
So they are obviously the problem.

They were supposed to be a siege unit for zerg but players use them just for passive defending and/or slowly wearing down their opponents.

I said in some other thread that I would like them to do more damage and move faster off creep but have less HP and limited locust range. Then you would need to use them more activley because they couldn't just sit deep inside zerg territory, safe around static defense and creep.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51432 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#714
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Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#715
On February 14 2014 20:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

There haven't been a whole lot of Terran games to watch lately, but go and take a gander at some of the TvZ mech Flash and TY have been playing in SPL lately. Then you can come back and apologize.

Just dont bother... let them enjoy the ignorance...
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#716
On February 14 2014 20:31 Shellshock wrote:
[Code S] Ro32 Group D S1 2014
[image loading] (P)Sora vs. [image loading] (Z)Pet
Game 1
Map: Habitation Station

0:00
Sora spawns in the top right
Pet spawns in the top left

1:40
gateway first for Sora

2:00
pool first for Pet
gas for Pet (might have been a gas first but I missed it when they paused for Sora's nosebleed)
gas for Sora
cybernetics core for Sora

3:00
zealot for Sora
ling speed for Pet
hatch at the gold base for Pet
probe scouts sees the lings of Pet

4:00
2nd gas for Sora
stalker for Sora
nexus at the gold base for Sora
12 more lings for Pet
ling speed is done

5:00
lings moving across the map
12 more lings for Pet
lings at the gold base of sora
the stalker is killed
gateway started and canceled at the gold
gold base is canceled
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#717
what the hell Sora?
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#718
On February 14 2014 20:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
what the hell Sora?

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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:39 GMT
#719
THE CURSSSSE
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 11:40 GMT
#720
On February 14 2014 20:31 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:24 Keeemy wrote:
People love mech but hate SHs..? Seriously wat.


You think we would have games like SK vs. Reality if zergs had some other unit to combat mech instead of SH.
SH are the problem because they block movement of ground units so you have no choice but to turtle to sky terran army.


You didn't watch reality vs hydra did you?


No. Maybe you should give more info because I dont understand your point.
Spawning bunch of free units prevents movement on the map.

Sure there are players who deliberately play passive mech but I am willing to bet most terrans would push out more if they could. Now you can only usually push if your opener (like banshee-helion) deals enough damage to prevent zerg from getting a lot of SH out.
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