• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:16
CET 18:16
KST 02:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket12Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft Data analysis on 70 million replays [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2209 users

[Code S] Ro32 Group D Season 1 2014 - Page 36

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 53 Next
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#701
On February 14 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
They should give Pet a nosebleed to make it fair


by punching or?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 11:35:32
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#702
Sora is just not having a great day, poor guy lol
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#703
rofl what a site to see
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#704
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

Just think they're acting as pawns so they can all get promoted to ravens and vikings
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#705
Tom Brady is watching GSL?
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#706
On February 14 2014 20:35 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:34 Shellshock wrote:
They should give Pet a nosebleed to make it fair


by punching or?


idk but it sounds like tastosis agrees with me
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#707
Definitely a funny day of GSL hahahahah
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:35 GMT
#708
On February 14 2014 20:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...

How? You can't exactly just place Swarm Hosts wherever you want and hope for the best. Just like tanks, positioning and support is important. They fill quite similar roles, imo.

Swarm hosts are generally placed in big clumps so they can send mass waves of little bugs at enemies to whittle them down over time. You don't even need to risk real units because locusts travel so far and live so long. A tank can never attack anything unless it is moved significantly further forward, and it never has the advantage of an endless mass of free units that the enemy has to fight through before being able to engage them. They may both be siege units but the tank has to be used in a much more risky fashion, making its placement and spread much more important. There's a reason that tank/viking turtle doesn't work in TvP even though swarm host/corruptor turtle works in ZvP.
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
February 14 2014 11:36 GMT
#709

"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 11:36 GMT
#710
phenylephrine is good for nosebleeds
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#711
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

There haven't been a whole lot of Terran games to watch lately, but go and take a gander at some of the TvZ mech Flash and TY have been playing in SPL lately. Then you can come back and apologize.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#712
On February 14 2014 20:36 opterown wrote:
phenylephrine is good for nosebleeds

Do you also know medicines to cure curses?
Community News
TL+ Member
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#713
On February 14 2014 20:33 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:24 Keeemy wrote:
People love mech but hate SHs..? Seriously wat.


You think we would have games like SK vs. Reality if zergs had some other unit to combat mech instead of SH.
SH are the problem because they block movement of ground units so you have no choice but to turtle to sky terran army.


You say that the issue in Zerg vs Mech is that zerg doesn't have any good unit except for SHs.

How is SHs the problem and not that every other unit is bad?


Because SH causes boring and super passive prolonged games in all matchups we see them.
So they are obviously the problem.

They were supposed to be a siege unit for zerg but players use them just for passive defending and/or slowly wearing down their opponents.

I said in some other thread that I would like them to do more damage and move faster off creep but have less HP and limited locust range. Then you would need to use them more activley because they couldn't just sit deep inside zerg territory, safe around static defense and creep.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
February 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#714
[image loading]
Commentator
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#715
On February 14 2014 20:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:34 ReMinD_ wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:26 Nedereden wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:22 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 forsooth wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:19 Ufnal wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:16 itsJames wrote:
Soulkey's playstyle is strong but so boring to watch. SH every game no matter what...


Well, if you look only at unit compositions, then maybe. Although that way mech is also boring as hell - tanks every game no matter what. ;P But it's the execution that makes SK's style fun to watch.

Tanks are a really cool and interesting unit though. Swarm hosts, on the other hand...


Sorry, but I don't find tanks more interesting than SH. Both are used for turtling, both can be fun when you see them positioned correctly, both are pretty boring if they just sit and fortify. Thats my opinion, of course, but I really cannot see how can you find tanks "cool" and hate SH at the same time. O.o

While both come under the docket of seige units they are mechanically and intrisically different in the way they are played.

Placing tank lines is like chess.... Placing swarm hosts are nothing similar...


Because we've seen tanks used in an interesting way lately. Oh, wait, they've been used for turtling to reach sky terran. Yes, very chess-like indeed.

There haven't been a whole lot of Terran games to watch lately, but go and take a gander at some of the TvZ mech Flash and TY have been playing in SPL lately. Then you can come back and apologize.

Just dont bother... let them enjoy the ignorance...
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#716
On February 14 2014 20:31 Shellshock wrote:
[Code S] Ro32 Group D S1 2014
[image loading] (P)Sora vs. [image loading] (Z)Pet
Game 1
Map: Habitation Station

0:00
Sora spawns in the top right
Pet spawns in the top left

1:40
gateway first for Sora

2:00
pool first for Pet
gas for Pet (might have been a gas first but I missed it when they paused for Sora's nosebleed)
gas for Sora
cybernetics core for Sora

3:00
zealot for Sora
ling speed for Pet
hatch at the gold base for Pet
probe scouts sees the lings of Pet

4:00
2nd gas for Sora
stalker for Sora
nexus at the gold base for Sora
12 more lings for Pet
ling speed is done

5:00
lings moving across the map
12 more lings for Pet
lings at the gold base of sora
the stalker is killed
gateway started and canceled at the gold
gold base is canceled
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#717
what the hell Sora?
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
February 14 2014 11:38 GMT
#718
On February 14 2014 20:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
what the hell Sora?

https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 14 2014 11:39 GMT
#719
THE CURSSSSE
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 11:40 GMT
#720
On February 14 2014 20:31 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 20:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 14 2014 20:24 Keeemy wrote:
People love mech but hate SHs..? Seriously wat.


You think we would have games like SK vs. Reality if zergs had some other unit to combat mech instead of SH.
SH are the problem because they block movement of ground units so you have no choice but to turtle to sky terran army.


You didn't watch reality vs hydra did you?


No. Maybe you should give more info because I dont understand your point.
Spawning bunch of free units prevents movement on the map.

Sure there are players who deliberately play passive mech but I am willing to bet most terrans would push out more if they could. Now you can only usually push if your opener (like banshee-helion) deals enough damage to prevent zerg from getting a lot of SH out.
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 233
BRAT_OK 68
UpATreeSC 28
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44319
Calm 3838
Rain 2800
EffOrt 922
Mini 635
BeSt 609
Stork 597
Light 449
firebathero 297
ZerO 222
[ Show more ]
hero 153
Rush 113
Leta 67
Mind 66
Sharp 60
scan(afreeca) 32
Backho 31
ToSsGirL 30
Pusan 27
HiyA 15
Terrorterran 14
JulyZerg 13
ivOry 5
Dota 2
Gorgc6069
qojqva2662
Dendi765
League of Legends
rGuardiaN38
Other Games
singsing1487
FrodaN1383
B2W.Neo1096
hiko707
crisheroes434
Mlord396
DeMusliM360
Lowko328
Sick106
RotterdaM104
XaKoH 49
Trikslyr43
Dewaltoss24
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream16252
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4322
• WagamamaTV413
• Ler70
League of Legends
• Nemesis4184
• TFBlade1054
Other Games
• Shiphtur110
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
14h 14m
Classic vs MaxPax
SHIN vs Reynor
herO vs Maru
WardiTV Korean Royale
18h 44m
SC Evo League
19h 14m
IPSL
23h 44m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
23h 44m
BSL 21
1d 2h
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Wardi Open
1d 20h
IPSL
2 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.