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On February 07 2014 20:08 Yello wrote:0:00 Leenock spawns in the bottom right position Zest spawns in the top left position
0:00-4:00 Leenock goes for hatch first once again Pylon at the natural ramp and Nexus first for Zest
Forge for Zest Pool for Leenock
Leenock scouts Zest with his first Overlord and reacts by taking a quick third Gateway and 2 Assimilators on the way for Zest
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On February 07 2014 20:08 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:07 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 07 2014 20:05 Glorfindel! wrote: Best Swarm Host map ever created "Hey lets go for roach/hydra" you want to watch another swarm host game or wat ._. After Miniraiser vs Tod yesterday? Not really. But I think I had enjoyed it better than seeing Leenock surrender before even starting the game by going for the worst unit comp you ever could imagine on that map. Leenock wouldn't have gone for it if he didn't have faith it his strategy. That goes for all players who play in GSL. Let's say it works 70% of the time for him in practice, then this was one of the 30%. No strat is going to be 100%, just because he lost doesn't mean it would every game.
This is their most important tournament, they are going to go for the strats they think has the higher chance of winning.
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Wait is there a hole in the wall between the pylon and forge or not?
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On February 07 2014 20:08 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:07 Swisslink wrote:On February 07 2014 20:05 Glorfindel! wrote: Best Swarm Host map ever created "Hey lets go for roach/hydra" Some people just hate SwarmHosts. I bet we won't see SwarmHosts when Life plays neither. Life plays SH though, he doesn't like them but he does play them, and it looks like he generally tries to close a game out quickly even with SH, doesn't drag it out. But yeah, I'd hate playing SH too, just like I hate playing mech.
He did earlier, but lately he just completely ignored the existence of SwarmHosts. At least at ASUS ROG he got crushed by Protoss, but seemed like he didn't even think about using SwarmHosts. So... I'm not too positive about Life's chances in Code S if he sticks to that :-/
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"I won't eat Zerg unless they're free reign."
That is one of the best Tasteless quotes I've heard in a while, the nonchalant delivery was so perfect.
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On February 07 2014 20:09 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:07 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 07 2014 20:05 Glorfindel! wrote: Best Swarm Host map ever created "Hey lets go for roach/hydra" you want to watch another swarm host game or wat ._. Roach/hydra is almost as boring as SH and five times worse. Do what you have to to win, people played BL/infestor for almost 2 years in WoL even though it was like gonorrhea in the brain.
You forget Leenock and DRG though, even at the height of BL/Infestor they still went mass muta in almost all MUs and made them work (not all the time mind you). Thank goodness they did as well, made most of that era somewhat bearable, I also gained a ton of respect and love for Leenock and DRG back then.
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On February 07 2014 20:09 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:08 Yello wrote:0:00 Leenock spawns in the bottom right position Zest spawns in the top left position 0:00-4:00 Leenock goes for hatch first once again Pylon at the natural ramp and Nexus first for Zest Forge for Zest Pool for Leenock Leenock scouts Zest with his first Overlord and reacts by taking a quick third Gateway and 2 Assimilators on the way for Zest
4:00-6:00 Defensive Cannon for Zest, Cybernetics Core as well first Zealot started for Zest
Leenock builds Queens and Drones Stargate for Zest
6:00-8:00 More and more Drones on the way for Leenock 3 Extractors fo rLeenock
Phoenix started once more for Zest, directly rallied to the scouting overlord 3 additional gateways and +1 attack for Zest
Leenock starts Lair, Ling-Speed and Roach Warren 3 Spores as a reaction to Phoenixes killing his Overlord
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On February 07 2014 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:08 Glorfindel! wrote:On February 07 2014 20:07 DrPandaPhD wrote:On February 07 2014 20:05 Glorfindel! wrote: Best Swarm Host map ever created "Hey lets go for roach/hydra" you want to watch another swarm host game or wat ._. After Miniraiser vs Tod yesterday? Not really. But I think I had enjoyed it better than seeing Leenock surrender before even starting the game by going for the worst unit comp you ever could imagine on that map. Leenock wouldn't have gone for it if he didn't have faith it his strategy. That goes for all players who play in GSL. Let's say it works 70% of the time for him in practice, then this was one of the 30%. No strat is going to be 100%, just because he lost doesn't mean it would every game. This is their most important tournament, they are going to go for the strats they think has the higher chance of winning. No, thanks for pointing that out. I thought for a moment that there were 100% strategies.
My point is the map horribly designed for Roach/Hydra since it's close to impossible to use a max out army well. It is so hard to have all units fighting since there are small chokes and paths everywhere that does not allow for arcs. There are no wide open areas.
Meanwhile this suits Swarm Host play perfectly.
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On February 07 2014 20:12 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:09 Yello wrote:On February 07 2014 20:08 Yello wrote:0:00 Leenock spawns in the bottom right position Zest spawns in the top left position 0:00-4:00 Leenock goes for hatch first once again Pylon at the natural ramp and Nexus first for Zest Forge for Zest Pool for Leenock Leenock scouts Zest with his first Overlord and reacts by taking a quick third Gateway and 2 Assimilators on the way for Zest 4:00-6:00 Defensive Cannon for Zest, Cybernetics Core as well first Zealot started for Zest Leenock builds Queens and Drones Stargate for Zest 6:00-8:00 More and more Drones on the way for Leenock 3 Extractors fo rLeenock Phoenix started once more for Zest, directly rallied to the scouting overlord 3 additional gateways and +1 attack for Zest Leenock starts Lair, Ling-Speed and Roach Warren 3 Spores as a reaction to Phoenixes killing his Overlord
8:00-10:00 Phoenixes starts harassing Drones at the third Robotics Facility and Robotics Support Bay for Zest
2 more Gateways for Zest Hydras started for Leenock
Phoenixes harass some more, up to 7 Drone kills Hydras coming out start pushing the Phoenixes away
10:00-12:00 Zest takes a third base and starts Colossus production Leenock adds some Roaches and scouts the third of Zest with a Ling
Phoenixes engage the Hydras head on! Zest loses 2 or 3 Phoenixes Leenock goes for Roach and Hydra Speed and a Spire
bunch of corruptors in prodcution for Leenock Zest has 2 Colossai and an Immortal, builds voidrays and immortals now
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Some players might rationally know that one composition is better but prefer and feel more comfortable playing their own style. We have heard players say in interviews how they planned a certain build but when they sat in the booth they couldnt help themselfs from going back to their own style. I think Nestea said this once
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On February 07 2014 20:15 Fjodorov wrote: Some players might rationally know that one composition is better but prefer and feel more comfortable playing their own style. We have heard players say in interviews how they planned a certain build but when they sat in the booth they couldnt help themselfs from going back to their own style. I think Nestea said this once It was Nestea saying "In practise I make Infestors vs Terran but when I am in the booth I just makes Mutas, I cannot explain it".
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That hold was actually really impressive!
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Man Zest, holy shit what a hold.
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Pretty sick hold there... considering the fact that the surface area on this map is a joke.
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On February 07 2014 20:16 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:15 Fjodorov wrote: Some players might rationally know that one composition is better but prefer and feel more comfortable playing their own style. We have heard players say in interviews how they planned a certain build but when they sat in the booth they couldnt help themselfs from going back to their own style. I think Nestea said this once It was Nestea saying "In practise I make Infestors vs Terran but when I am in the booth I just makes Mutas, I cannot explain it".
hehe ah yeah ok ty
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+1 P
Hopefully SuperNova wins, else I can very well see 2 P's advancing.
Unless a miracle happens in this game, which shouldn't.
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On February 07 2014 20:15 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 20:12 Yello wrote:On February 07 2014 20:09 Yello wrote:On February 07 2014 20:08 Yello wrote:0:00 Leenock spawns in the bottom right position Zest spawns in the top left position 0:00-4:00 Leenock goes for hatch first once again Pylon at the natural ramp and Nexus first for Zest Forge for Zest Pool for Leenock Leenock scouts Zest with his first Overlord and reacts by taking a quick third Gateway and 2 Assimilators on the way for Zest 4:00-6:00 Defensive Cannon for Zest, Cybernetics Core as well first Zealot started for Zest Leenock builds Queens and Drones Stargate for Zest 6:00-8:00 More and more Drones on the way for Leenock 3 Extractors fo rLeenock Phoenix started once more for Zest, directly rallied to the scouting overlord 3 additional gateways and +1 attack for Zest Leenock starts Lair, Ling-Speed and Roach Warren 3 Spores as a reaction to Phoenixes killing his Overlord 8:00-10:00 Phoenixes starts harassing Drones at the third Robotics Facility and Robotics Support Bay for Zest 2 more Gateways for Zest Hydras started for Leenock Phoenixes harass some more, up to 7 Drone kills Hydras coming out start pushing the Phoenixes away 10:00-12:00 Zest takes a third base and starts Colossus production Leenock adds some Roaches and scouts the third of Zest with a Ling Phoenixes engage the Hydras head on! Zest loses 2 or 3 Phoenixes Leenock goes for Roach and Hydra Speed and a Spire bunch of corruptors in prodcution for Leenock Zest has 2 Colossai and an Immortal, builds voidrays and immortals now
12:00-14:00 177 130 Leenock starts pushing out with roach-hydra-corruptor while taking a 4th Nexus Cannon for Zest, Corruptors take out the two Colossai
Immortals, Stalkers, Voidrays hold strong for Zest and he is able to kill off Leenocks Hydra-Roach army Leenock reinforces with Lings and Mutas
14:00-16:00min 143 118 Mutas on the way to the natural get scouted by an Observer Zest starts cannons, Fleet Beacon and more Phoenixes
Ling-runby gets denied by good sim city at the third Leenock tries to catch single units with his mutas
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