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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 25 2014 16:57 GMT
#121
I'll be quite upset if MC beats Innovation.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
January 25 2014 16:57 GMT
#122
Life T_T plz prepare hard as hell to do well at ASUS.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 16:57 GMT
#123
On January 26 2014 01:53 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:38 Zheryn wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...


Your baneling nest is not finished when the lair finishes for normal builds.

My point exactly, because it is too costly to waste 50 more gas and play it a bit safer?

What a lackluster games we have today.


You don't need a quick baneling nest vs a 3cc build and even if you would cut your econ to "play safe" you can't afford spire, +2/+2, baneling speed etc all at once anyway. It's all up to scouting, and usually when you scout 3cc you cut the early bane nest/speed and get more econ/other upgrades etc instead.

I know that you can't get all, but you could at least get Baneling nest. Life's Baneling nest was way too late in that first game.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 25 2014 16:58 GMT
#124
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S
kiss kiss fall in love
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 25 2014 16:58 GMT
#125
On January 26 2014 01:57 Bagration wrote:
I'll be quite upset if MC beats Innovation.

Gumba level upset?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 25 2014 16:59 GMT
#126
On January 26 2014 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S

They've met 8 times in matches, and they are 4-4. HerO is 14-11 in games!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 25 2014 17:00 GMT
#127
On January 26 2014 01:59 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S

They've met 8 times in matches, and they are 4-4. HerO is 14-11 in games!

Just 8 matches? Feels like a lot more than that.
kiss kiss fall in love
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 17:00 GMT
#128
On January 26 2014 01:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
What are these terrible games...

On January 26 2014 01:49 sparklyresidue wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...

I never understand why random forum posters are so confident in critiquing build orders that are very obviously meticulously planned according to cost/benefit analysis, but hey it happens all the time so...

I never understand why you think that pro players are gods among us mere mortals. I am critiquing them because I am pissed how something so small could change the game from loss to win and it wouldn't even fuck up his build order too much. And later I am seeing more and more these builds that just straight up die because they want to play as greedy as possible, and because they are assuming way too much instead of actually thinking.

Plz go be Code S progamer

Funny thing is how you think that someone who doesn't have mechanical skill or time to be a progamer can't understand things that progamers are doing.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
January 25 2014 17:00 GMT
#129
On January 26 2014 01:55 Keeemy wrote:
Haven't been able to watch Life's games in a long time due to military service and now that I finally get to see some, he gets completely destroyed. Meh.

i wanted to write mean things about fanboyism and life and you, but you're in the army now, you're a man. Respect > forum trolling
Michael Probu
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 25 2014 17:01 GMT
#130
On January 26 2014 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S


Its one of those timeless rivalries, and its probably the longest lasting one in SC2 so far.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 17:02:06
January 25 2014 17:01 GMT
#131
On January 26 2014 02:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:59 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S

They've met 8 times in matches, and they are 4-4. HerO is 14-11 in games!

Just 8 matches? Feels like a lot more than that.

8 matches is a lot can you remind me other series with 8 matches?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 25 2014 17:03 GMT
#132
On January 26 2014 01:33 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...


Its a meta thing, even the 3 CC super eco build has a couple of variations, there are some that can hit some timings sooner, and some later. Zergs adapt and learn how to hold the early pushes, terran stops doing them and starts going a bit greedier, zergs adapt by going a bit more greedy themselves, terran switch back to earlier timings, its just how the wheel rolls.


I don't get it. I mean I get the concept of "meta" but after a while they have covered most bases and it comes full circle. After that they seem like a bunch of goldfish sheep (have answer, forget answer, do what others do). They can still scout. They have the same tools. They can no longer excuse it on the "meta". This is the point when I could go on questioning their intelligence, but this post is already feeling way harsher than I meant it to be. Now I'm pretty dumb but I hope that I made a fairly reasonable point somehow. It's Saturday. And I'm on my way to the pub.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 17:05 GMT
#133
On January 26 2014 02:03 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:33 Destructicon wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...


Its a meta thing, even the 3 CC super eco build has a couple of variations, there are some that can hit some timings sooner, and some later. Zergs adapt and learn how to hold the early pushes, terran stops doing them and starts going a bit greedier, zergs adapt by going a bit more greedy themselves, terran switch back to earlier timings, its just how the wheel rolls.


I don't get it. I mean I get the concept of "meta" but after a while they have covered most bases and it comes full circle. After that they seem like a bunch of goldfish sheep (have answer, forget answer, do what others do). They can still scout. They have the same tools. They can no longer excuse it on the "meta". This is the point when I could go on questioning their intelligence, but this post is already feeling way harsher than I meant it to be. Now I'm pretty dumb but I hope that I made a fairly reasonable point somehow. It's Saturday. And I'm on my way to the pub.

Someone is on the same page as me.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 25 2014 17:05 GMT
#134
On January 26 2014 02:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:59 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a shitty showing by Life. Oh well.

Decent games today!
The classic Liquid teamkill (T)TaeJa vs. (P)HerO for the first semifinal, and (P)MC vs (T)INnoVation for the second!

Don't TaeJa and HerO play against each other all the time in tournaments? :S

They've met 8 times in matches, and they are 4-4. HerO is 14-11 in games!

Just 8 matches? Feels like a lot more than that.

The thing is though they meet in a lot of big tournaments in quarterfinals, semis, finals, etc. So they are usually memorable matchups!
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 25 2014 17:08 GMT
#135
On January 26 2014 02:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
What are these terrible games...

On January 26 2014 01:49 sparklyresidue wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...

I never understand why random forum posters are so confident in critiquing build orders that are very obviously meticulously planned according to cost/benefit analysis, but hey it happens all the time so...

I never understand why you think that pro players are gods among us mere mortals. I am critiquing them because I am pissed how something so small could change the game from loss to win and it wouldn't even fuck up his build order too much. And later I am seeing more and more these builds that just straight up die because they want to play as greedy as possible, and because they are assuming way too much instead of actually thinking.

Plz go be Code S progamer

Funny thing is how you think that someone who doesn't have mechanical skill or time to be a progamer can't understand things that progamers are doing.

I don't totally disagree that Life's build was super greedy, so I'm not implying he's above all criticism, but I also don't think your quick analysis of the situation means you understand the risks and benefits of Life's build as well as he does. You also see the game from the obs viewpoint and not whatever Life has or hasn't noticed. Just an irritant of mine.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
January 25 2014 17:08 GMT
#136
On January 26 2014 01:57 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:53 Zheryn wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:38 Zheryn wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I never understand why are Zerg players underestimating those Terran timings. None of the Pro Zerg players upgrade Bane speed ASAP after Lair, they would rather Drone to 100 Drones and get 4 bases and then they get Spire AND THEN they get Bane speed, and until then you die like 10 times to 30 Marine Push...


Your baneling nest is not finished when the lair finishes for normal builds.

My point exactly, because it is too costly to waste 50 more gas and play it a bit safer?

What a lackluster games we have today.


You don't need a quick baneling nest vs a 3cc build and even if you would cut your econ to "play safe" you can't afford spire, +2/+2, baneling speed etc all at once anyway. It's all up to scouting, and usually when you scout 3cc you cut the early bane nest/speed and get more econ/other upgrades etc instead.

I know that you can't get all, but you could at least get Baneling nest. Life's Baneling nest was way too late in that first game.


Might have been, might have been intentional, we'll never know. It's hard to criticize progamers BOs when we don't know all of their thoughts behind them, what they believe about the other player, what the scouted etc. You will always try to cut as many corners to get small leads since the level of play is so high. You can say "play safe" about anything; "why didn't he just build a robo to be safe, why didn't he get a turret for DTs instead of losing 15 workers" etc, but if you always want to play safe against everything, you'll end up behind.
hundred thousand krouner
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 25 2014 17:32 GMT
#137
On January 26 2014 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:57 Bagration wrote:
I'll be quite upset if MC beats Innovation.

Gumba level upset?

Never gonna happen.
Inoooooo
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
January 25 2014 17:33 GMT
#138
On January 26 2014 02:32 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 26 2014 01:57 Bagration wrote:
I'll be quite upset if MC beats Innovation.

Gumba level upset?

Never gonna happen.
Inoooooo

You are unbanned ? :O
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
January 25 2014 18:07 GMT
#139
How did Life lose?
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 25 2014 18:54 GMT
#140
On January 26 2014 03:07 ReMinD_ wrote:
How did Life lose?


game 1 was pretty standard 3 cc stuff by innovation. Life didn't prepare properly for innovations first push and got rolled. Was kind sloppy from Life.

Game 2 was weird. Life went proxy nat hatch and expand to gold, innovation made 2 rax to kill it then a bunch of weird stuff happened. WAtch it for weird novelty value

game 3 Life tried to ling bane innovation on 20 drones. Innovation barely held but he had 3 OC's so when his macro kicked in life got rolled.

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