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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vIp6RNz.png) Sunday, Dec 29 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_1 ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/30/Writers_Icon.png/15px-Writers_Icon.png){kind=icon} ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ig4qa7c.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/c/c6/Uk.png) twitch.tv | youtube | ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png) youtube![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yk7JewH.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LBr19.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Nh3B0hh.png)  Dream < Yeonsu LE >  RainSuper < Sejong Science Base >  soODongRaeGu < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > PartinGShine < Outboxer > SoulkeyAce: Frost LE ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HblXs0R.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Di73cd2.png) + Show Spoiler + Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Ace Match ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BJ1F2Rq.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5TQWX0c.png) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
Poll: Most Anticipated Match? DRG vs PartinG (70) Dream vs Rain (26) Shine vs Soulkey (9) Super vs soO (7) 112 total votes Your vote: Most Anticipated Match? (Vote): Dream vs Rain Don't forget to thank Arceus for the banners and themed images on display. Also Lichter for making the overall posts  | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Also SKT to win. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
 (Anyway heres the banner for ya ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qg2frms.png) | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:21 Qikz wrote: Are there any screenshots of the new maps anywhere? Also SKT to win. IEG Ghost linked to fb in another thread: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.529258337170763.1073741833.341916662571599&type=1 | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:22 Zealously wrote: Either MVP wins before the ace match, which is a distinct possibility, or SKT takes this 3-2 by fielding one of their 4 aces You crazy man, the only game MVP might take is Super vs soO. | ||
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prabhbhambra13
United Kingdom424 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:29 TheDwf wrote: Can a team use anyone in their roster for the Ace match, or only one of the four sent this day? It used to be anyone so unless nothing changed they could play Dark as ace if they really want to On December 28 2013 21:24 ZAiNs wrote: You crazy man, the only game MVP might take is Super vs soO. I'm pretty sure all 4 are winnable | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:24 ZAiNs wrote: You crazy man, the only game MVP might take is Super vs soO. Dream can be quite scary, especially being one of the younger players. They tend to go apeshit from time to time. I mean he was the one who originally kicked Rain into code B long ago. While DRG and PartinG are about equally weak in that matchup. I think a 3-0 is totally possible for MVP | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:24 ZAiNs wrote: You crazy man, the only game MVP might take is Super vs soO. That Dream kid is gonna win something big one day. I'd say DRG has a fair chance against Parting too :0 | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Dream can be quite scary, especially being one of the younger players. They tend to go apeshit from time to time. I mean he was the one who originally kicked Rain into code B long ago. While DRG and PartinG are about equally weak in that matchup. I think a 3-0 is totally possible for MVP More possible for SKT than MVP though. Everything is possible in SC2 but it's a fact that SKT has the better players. People seem to think that the MVP players are somehow in godlike form but I dare say that there's a better chance that the SKT players are the ones in good shape. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Dream can be quite scary, especially being one of the younger players. They tend to go apeshit from time to time. I mean he was the one who originally kicked Rain into code B long ago. While DRG and PartinG are about equally weak in that matchup. I think a 3-0 is totally possible for MVP Sure everything is possible but it's more likely for T1 to 3-0 when Rain/SoulKey are the unarguably superior player, PartinG winning some stuffs recently and soO being a GSL finalist. no? | ||
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Legendk
France229 Posts
It's possible to stream ProLeague in french or not ? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:38 Keeemy wrote: More possible for SKT than MVP though. Everything is possible in SC2 but it's a fact that SKT has the better players. People seem to think that the MVP players are somehow in godlike form but I dare say that there's a better chance that the SKT players are the ones in good shape. I think SKT's players are less streaky than MVP's, and if MVP's players show up in their right form (which they sometimes, though rarely, do), I don't think it's too far-fetched to see them take it. Dream is notorious for sometimes just kind of "getting it" and beating whoever the fuck is in his way, much like Gumiho used to. Parting's PvZ is about as reliable as DRG's ZvP which is not at all, which leaves Super to take on soO (who hasn't been particularly impressive after his GSL run) and Shine to take on Soulkey in the latter's by far worst match-up. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Soulkey's ZvZ is kinda random but he has a really good winrate in the match-up, so he's the clear favorite. Let's wait and see, maybe MVP does surprise me. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Slick OP, too. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
(P)Super > (Z)soO (Z)DongRaeGu > (P)PartinG (Z)Shine > (Z)Soulkey
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
SKT 3-0 for FPL please | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
Every matchup is totally winable cept for the last | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
3:1 MVP! | ||
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goody153
44033 Posts
this is gonna be fun :D are the vods gonna be free later ? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
On December 28 2013 23:27 goody153 wrote: shine vs soulkey .. this is gonna be fun :D are the vods gonna be free later ? Yeah they will be free, i will update the OP with the links when they are available. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 28 2013 22:49 The_Red_Viper wrote: (T)Dream < (P)Rain (P)Super > (Z)soO (Z)DongRaeGu > (P)PartinG (Z)Shine > (Z)Soulkey
Mine predictions exactly :D | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
I think you are both crazy ;D Mostly because I have a whole team riding on this match | ||
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Musicus
Germany23571 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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MilkmanSC
United Kingdom22 Posts
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crimsonlink
United States53 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 03:46 DarkLordOlli wrote: Dream vs Rain <3 This game, I just can't miss it. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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m0ck
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Yakikorosu
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Rain > Dream (Dream's best performances have been in preparation-less tournaments like GSTL and IEM) soO < Super (Super is underrated. soO is overrated.) PartinG < DRG (I love PartinG but he often just looks so clueless against Z in HotS. I am betting DRG recaptures his form from the last WCS KR U&D where he effortlessly destroyed Squirtle and Trap.) Soulkey > Shine (ZvZ is very volatile but there is a big skill gap here. I'm a big TSL fan but Shine has always been one of the weakest TSL Zergs) Ace Match: Rain > Super (MVP's big money guys lately have been Super and KeeN; since the latter is not playing I think Super will come out. And I think SKT will fall back on Rain with FanTaSy not playing. Match is tough to call but I've liked Rain's PvP recently.) SKT 3-2 That said I think this is a close one and even a 3-0 either way wouldn't shock me. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 04:17 Yakikorosu wrote: I think: Rain > Dream (Dream's best performances have been in preparation-less tournaments like GSTL and IEM) soO < Super (Super is underrated. soO is overrated.) PartinG < DRG (I love PartinG but he often just looks so clueless against Z in HotS. I am betting DRG recaptures his form from the last WCS KR U&D where he effortlessly destroyed Squirtle and Trap.) Soulkey > Shine (ZvZ is very volatile but there is a big skill gap here. I'm a big TSL fan but Shine has always been one of the weakest TSL Zergs) Ace Match: Rain > Super (MVP's big money guys lately have been Super and KeeN; since the latter is not playing I think Super will come out. And I think SKT will fall back on Rain with FanTaSy not playing. Match is tough to call but I've liked Rain's PvP recently.) SKT 3-2 That said I think this is a close one and even a 3-0 either way wouldn't shock me. Dream beat Rain in GSL yo ;P | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
Yeah, a year ago in WoL... I think Dream CAN win though, and like I said it wouldn't surprise me. But Rain's still my pick. ^_^ | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
damn this team looks so solid. | ||
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Denar
France1633 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On December 29 2013 07:36 opterown wrote: argh still can't decide on FPL team Me neither At the beginning I was so sure I was going to have Classic and Sora on my team but it's looking like I may end up with neither | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On December 29 2013 07:54 slowbacontron wrote: Me neither At the beginning I was so sure I was going to have Classic and Sora on my team but it's looking like I may end up with neither Don't take classic, but do take Sora Classic has to compete with rain and parting, Sora is almost a certainty in CJ's lineup and is gonna wreck flash ezpz | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On December 29 2013 08:49 GTPGlitch wrote: Don't take classic, but do take Sora Classic has to compete with rain and parting, Sora is almost a certainty in CJ's lineup and is gonna wreck flash ezpz I already have herO and Bbyong though D: I just need to drop one point from my team.... | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19176 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
Lets go mvp! | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0oFJBW1.jpg) Sickest photoshop of all time | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
PartinG and soO will lose, then suddenly Soulkey slains two and clinch the set for Humble Kingdom. Still hope that PartinG will win :D | ||
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Ensue
United States144 Posts
On December 28 2013 21:42 Legendk wrote: Hi It's possible to stream ProLeague in french or not ? Last time Nathanias tried to cast in English as well and they told him to stop. Idk if it's because they already had an English broadcast or only want the content available to them. It's most likely the latter. | ||
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Ensue
United States144 Posts
On December 29 2013 09:21 tili wrote: Oh shit, I am STILL subbed to spl after a whole year O-o that is hella generous. I want to give them more money They didn't reset the count or whatever it is yet, but they will soon. Some people actually subscribed during the pre-season >___> | ||
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juvenal
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On December 29 2013 11:15 juvenal wrote: Could you please remove the links to the pics behind STREAMS RESULTS etc. headings, thanks. Or they could show the spoiler if possible. This happens automatically when the image is too large for the width of the forum. Unless I'm missing something, I believe they'll have to resize the images to fit to make it not do that. And, yeah, I agree, those links are kind of annoying. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8374 Posts
SKT1 3:1  | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
thank god vods are free =) ty you PL | ||
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
It's too late for me, but damn, I wanna watch this! | ||
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7166 Posts
Gogo PartinG and soO! Make me proud of my first FPL. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
Need to know when I should wake up to avoid falling asleep again during the opening >.< | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
Anti-teaming was hard for liquibets this season haha | ||
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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
On December 29 2013 15:17 Jmanthedragonguy wrote: Hopefully a 3-1 for SKT1 with Super losing :l Anti-teaming was hard for fpl this season haha | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Garnet
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
I had way more trouble with my team than my antiteam. There were so many good deals that I couldn't bear to miss out on. My antiteam is just the players I think are the few not as good deals. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 15:43 slowbacontron wrote: I had way more trouble with my team than my antiteam. There were so many good deals that I couldn't bear to miss out on. My antiteam is just the players I think are the few not as good deals. yeah my main is much harder, but that's partly because i want to work around having both baby and herO but they play each other and so messy etc | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 17:00 ArTiFaKs wrote: So are the VoDs available to non-subscribers? trying to decide if i'm guna stay up and watch.. got stuff to do during the day but might as well pull an all-nighter! yep, but the youtube ones take agessss to upload if pre-season is any indicator | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
The important question, since T1's victory is assured... Should I make some chocolate chip cookies to celebrate opening day of Proleague? | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On December 29 2013 17:24 Lunareste wrote: Been waiting for this for so long<3 The important question, since T1's victory is assured... Should I make some chocolate chip cookies to celebrate opening day of Proleague? The answer to "should I make some chocolate chips" is usually "yes" regardless of what follows. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Breakfast : Check Coffee : Check Ready for SPL : Check MVP rolling hard over SKT : Soon On December 29 2013 17:00 ArTiFaKs wrote: So are the VoDs available to non-subscribers? trying to decide if i'm guna stay up and watch.. got stuff to do during the day but might as well pull an all-nighter! There are VODS on twitch. It's 5$... I subscribed last season. and i'm still subscribed. You should consider it I mean that's like 5$ for life (at least for now) On December 29 2013 17:24 Lunareste wrote: Been waiting for this for so long<3 The important question, since T1's victory is assured... Should I make some chocolate chip cookies to celebrate opening day of Proleague? Since T1 is going to loose badly i would recommend that you do make chocolate cookie. They're good when you're sad. HYPE HYPE HYPE ! We still have an hour for friendly fire | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 29 2013 17:24 Lunareste wrote: Been waiting for this for so long<3 The important question, since T1's victory is assured... Should I make some chocolate chip cookies to celebrate opening day of Proleague? chocolate chip cookies? macadamian nut cookies ftw! | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On December 29 2013 17:24 Lunareste wrote: Been waiting for this for so long<3 The important question, since T1's victory is assured... Should I make some chocolate chip cookies to celebrate opening day of Proleague? Does a Whitaker's peanut butter chocolate block count? Assuming that the opening does not take forever and a day, I may well stay up to watch this. It's been a while since I watched some good SC2. | ||
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Fjodorov
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MrLightning
306 Posts
(P)Super < Sejong Science Base > (Z)soO (Z)DongRaeGu < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (P)PartinG (Z)Shine < Outboxer > (Z)Soulkey Zerg vs Zerg Ace Match | ||
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Devesh
Sweden4 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:26 Devesh wrote: Will it be possible to find any english commentary? twitch.tv | youtube | youtube | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:26 Devesh wrote: Will it be possible to find any english commentary? yes, on twitch and youtube | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:26 Devesh wrote: Will it be possible to find any english commentary? Wolf Brendan Valdes mOOnGLaDe Will be casting in english edit: all on 18:29 lol | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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WigglingSquid
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Dinotramp
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:40 Dinotramp wrote: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Ahn/status/417228044126781440/photo/1 Decent turnout :o | ||
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Diaresta
United States597 Posts
Super > soO DongRaeGu < PartinG Shine < Soulkey MVP 1 < 3 SKT | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
My day is good when there is Korean StarCraft on at a decent time. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:40 Dinotramp wrote: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Ahn/status/417228044126781440/photo/1 ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcpKsgSCIAEzU8Z.jpg) | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
So close | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Groups.php?r=18 | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:49 opterown wrote: control-F Team LR and join guys! http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Groups.php?r=18 Don't you mean join Team Millenium ? | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
Team Dream 0-0 Team Rain Estimated by Aligulac. Modify. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:45 Lorning wrote: Hypuuuuuu My day is good when there is Korean StarCraft on at a decent time. Amen. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
THE STREAM IS ON gogogo | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1049 Posts
www.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i82CUzNzgRA | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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Pandemona
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South Africa1014 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
Go MVP (but not DRG, you lose please) | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 18:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: heh, hope this isn't a troll timer that counts down to another countdown >_> Countdown to... starting soon Is full quality twitch better than youtube stream ? | ||
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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
That intro lmao | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:01 Zealously wrote: Did that just say CATACLYSM? Hahaha yes it did | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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gTank
Austria2546 Posts
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
She just wons 7 points  | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
This shit looks good | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Pandemona
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GTR
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Wait a second, nonempty venue and Eng casters on stage. FYEAH! | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
OHMYGOD | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:03 Keeemy wrote: English casters on stage OHMYGOD Too bad we don't get to hear them | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:03 MCXD wrote: They may be on the stage, but they ain't on the speakers. It's normal. If you have the youtube stream it runs fine without issues. | ||
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:03 Pandemona wrote: OMG English casters ON the stage? ;o I thought that was the standard? OGN's been doing for a looooong time in LoL, where are the English placed usually? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:03 MCXD wrote: They may be on the stage, but they ain't on the speakers. Who cares. Last season they were in some basement and not at the venue | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:04 FFW_Rude wrote: Youtube or twitch ?... Can't decide. YouTube ! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
I'm sure you survived that dreadful wait. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
OH FOR FUCKS SAKES I HAVE TO GO EAT DINNER WITH SOME RELATIVES | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
Twitch! (Youtube blocked by GEMA T_T) | ||
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gTank
Austria2546 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
The long road to the championship starts now | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Well twtich switched to english Twitch source or youtube 720 ? | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
Poor of you. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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HolydaKing
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Lorning
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Canada2633 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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WhurreOdu
Austria1739 Posts
Hype! | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
>_> Yes, SangHo can actually all-kill in proleague format, he is that awesome of a person. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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United States1000 Posts
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On December 29 2013 19:04 XaCez wrote: I thought that was the standard? OGN's been doing for a looooong time in LoL, where are the English placed usually? Last season they were in front of a green screen somewhere, not in the studio at least. It was actually the same with Monte/Doa for the beginning of OSL, but eventually they switched them to the stage just as they have in OGN Champions. Could a kind soul post the Youtube link again? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:05 Zealously wrote: So they literally improved everything, even the music khaldor will find something to bitch about | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:06 DinosaurJones wrote: where is Moonglade??? Guessing they take it in turns to cast. Moonglade will probably be tomorrow | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:06 WhurreOdu wrote: Yeah, venue looks good. Hype! attendance is good! may this be a sign! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:06 lolfail9001 wrote: By the way, if it is just starting, why overall results has first match result set? The match-ups are pre-set, if that's what you're asking | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:06 UmberBane wrote: Last season they were in front of a green screen somewhere, not in the studio at least. It was actually the same with Monte/Doa for the beginning of OSL, but eventually they switched them to the stage just as they have in OGN Champions. Could a kind soul post the Youtube link again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM | ||
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EDIT : whoops sorry... celeritas x8 | ||
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Thank you! ... and thank you GEMA for blocking it, lmao | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:07 bertu wrote: the emperor and the evil queen Who's the evil queen ? E : Ok, there is a delay for youtube | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:08 Swiv wrote: btw i suggest we make on thread per proleague day? or has this been discussed before? Each thread for each match. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:08 Swiv wrote: btw i suggest we make on thread per proleague day? or has this been discussed before? Ask panda Edit : IS that Static X ? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:07 Zealously wrote: The match-ups are pre-set, if that's what you're asking Nono, i mean why is one of players in that spoilered section is bolded already :D Oh, nvm, i am drunk. | ||
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is wolf doing this full time, or is he still going to be casting Code A? | ||
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LimitSEA
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Also, BoxeR so handsome. Why no Moonglade? Not in Korea yet? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:08 Swiv wrote: btw i suggest we make on thread per proleague day? or has this been discussed before? One mere thread is not enough to contain the hype | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:08 Swiv wrote: btw i suggest we make on thread per proleague day? or has this been discussed before? It's mostly because having two separate threads doesn't force one person to update the OP for 4-6 hours straight. This way, two different people can do it. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:10 GTR wrote: Vel'Shir Vestage Looks legit. | ||
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Gogo Rain | ||
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EDIT: Nevermind. Cool anyway, I guess. | ||
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what is with this hype | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 Ana_ wrote: That is good crowd compared to last season? Yes | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 GTR wrote: also what's the point of the ace booth if people can just deduce who's missing from the bench =/ Shhh, logic is not applicable here. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:09 fuzzylogic44 wrote: When I realized OGN wouldn't be running any of SPL and it was all spotv I panicked a bit because last season the spotv days were pathetic production. But this is really nice. As soon as they figure out how to show the English casters on camera, anyway. Hopefully SPOTV has the doom zoom on players faces. It's one of my favourite production moments. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 GTR wrote: also what's the point of the ace booth if people can just deduce who's missing from the bench =/ Don't kill the hype ! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 GTR wrote: also what's the point of the ace booth if people can just deduce who's missing from the bench =/ maybe they all go huddle in the locker room. now shush it's awesome... | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:12 LimitSEA wrote: Ace Booth! So sick. Cannot contain my hype. I need more pants. Who needs pants? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 GTR wrote: also what's the point of the ace booth if people can just deduce who's missing from the bench =/ Maybe they'll hide the bench or some shit? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:11 Ana_ wrote: That is good crowd compared to last season? Yes ! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:12 sparklyresidue wrote: maybe they all go huddle in the locker room. now shush it's awesome... hopefully! | ||
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gogo MVP! | ||
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Hoep they change that in the future | ||
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My parents raised me to believe that it's rude to point. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:13 FFW_Rude wrote: English casters on stage but korean commentator shown ? Hoep they change that in the future They most likely won't ^^ | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:13 LimitSEA wrote: My parents raised me to believe that it's rude to point. What ? | ||
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Well they put them on stage so that's a start Weird... Mostly male. Where are Korean pl girls ? | ||
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There is a thing called a zero, you know, production. [/nitpicking] | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:14 FFW_Rude wrote: Well they put them on stage so that's a start Weird... Mostly male. Where are Korean pl girls ? I miss the booth girls. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:14 Schelim wrote: dat special ace booth. of course it's not really gonna be all that exciting when KT sends Flash every single time anyways. Well It's not like flash is the only ace they sends... | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:14 Schelim wrote: dat special ace booth. of course it's not really gonna be all that exciting when KT sends Flash every single time anyways. They'll send Myungsik, let's not fool ourselves | ||
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Rain will destroy the ugly foes | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:15 Varanice wrote: Anyone else find this background track really annoying? I kind of do. It'd be better if the commentators were slightly louder. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:14 FFW_Rude wrote: Well they put them on stage so that's a start Weird... Mostly male. Where are Korean pl girls ? no bisu, no jaedong | ||
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FFW_Rude
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Yeah that too... Especially when it was FBH playing | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:15 MCXD wrote: I kind of do. It'd be better if the commentators were slightly louder. Yeah, it's way too loud. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:13 LimitSEA wrote: My parents raised me to believe that it's rude to point. Depends on what you are pointing but I understand your concerns. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:15 Varanice wrote: Anyone else find this background track really annoying? Not the track itself, but it's a little too loud | ||
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And i guess no LighT | ||
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gogo Dream! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:16 UmberBane wrote: That intro is kind of awkward Yeah. | ||
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Game sound to high | ||
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Is that GHO? | ||
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also tasteless is streaming right now. killing esports. again. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:18 Ammanas wrote: meh they have face cams, so they probably won't have doom zooms -.- As you say that. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:19 HolydaKing wrote: enough boxer, i want the game! :D Enough of the game, I want more Boxer! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:19 HolydaKing wrote: enough boxer, i want the game! :D Never enough boxer. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:19 FFW_Rude wrote: Video quality is REALLY good. And twitch not lagging on source. What is this magic ? youtube is even better. Theres some difference in the smoothness I cant describe but youtube ftw | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:20 FFW_Rude wrote: Blink allin ? Yep. Can someone confirm that there is a little delay on YouTube compared to twitch ? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:20 Arceus wrote: youtube is even better. Theres some difference in the smoothness I cant describe but youtube ftw I'll switch next game to compare. | ||
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Warp Gate is no where near done :S | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:20 Arceus wrote: youtube is even better. Theres some difference in the smoothness I cant describe but youtube ftw Does the youtube stream have English casters, or is there only the Korean stream? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:21 Ammanas wrote: Rain forgot warp gate... mother of god... | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:21 LimitSEA wrote: Does the youtube stream have English casters, or is there only the Korean stream? Both. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5b9qtsARtA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM | ||
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And it's got absolutely nothing to do with choking. Sometimes you click the hotkey on the core when you're like 2 gas short and you move on to bigger things. It happens | ||
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I missed the start of the game >< | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:21 LimitSEA wrote: Does the youtube stream have English casters, or is there only the Korean stream? English! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:22 Aeromi wrote: Both. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5b9qtsARtA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM OH SWEET. Tyvm. The 720p with no lag is glorious. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:24 AzBozz wrote: what a surprise a scouted blink allin wins the game for rain ^^ Yeonsu... | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:24 sparklyresidue wrote: Great production, great venue, great hype, snore of a metagame nah that was fully Dream's fault. One more bunker and he holds it without problems... | ||
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Or almost no SCV's. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:20 FFW_Rude wrote: Blink allin ? Yep. Can someone confirm that there is a little delay on YouTube compared to twitch ? ? | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 kckkryptonite wrote: Timings don't match up, gets scouted, doesn't matter - MSC. No, don't even try to complain. Dream just hanled it bad, he could have and should have hold this. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote: nah that was fully Dream's fault. One more bunker and he holds it without problems... Always that one bunker. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 kckkryptonite wrote: Timings don't match up, gets scouted, doesn't matter - MSC. One bunker in that spot saves Dream in this game I reckon | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 AxionSteel wrote: AWESOME Timewarps That's new BEAUTIFUL FUNGALS!? | ||
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Start praying. or do something better than nothing. | ||
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Don't forget storms ! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 Aeromi wrote: Yep. Can someone confirm that there is a little delay on YouTube compared to twitch ? ? Tiume on twitch is 14:40 IG | ||
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Anyway. good win from Rain with good use of his Stalkers. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 kckkryptonite wrote: Timings don't match up, gets scouted, doesn't matter - MSC. One more bunker and Dream holds that, kills the stalkers, runs across the map and wins in under 10 minutes. That was player error, not a design flaw. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 liberate71 wrote: THUNDER! THUNDER! | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:25 Qwerty85 wrote: These blink maps seriously need to go away. Did you not see the new maps? blink will be even stronger in new map pool. This is fucking bullshit frankly. Scout the build, prepare accordingly. Proceed to die because of timewarp and msc ubervision. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:26 Ammanas wrote: No, don't even try to complain. Dream just hanled it bad, he could have and should have hold this. I guess the "he should had made one more bunker". And if he hade made that, always "one more" bunker. A tactic that is being scouted, and is failing due to forgetting something like Warp Gate should never be able to break a defending player. Nice start now for SKT1. | ||
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Thunderstruck + Rain + Psi Storm | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:26 Kasaraki wrote: 105 to 65 supply. Wolf: "He has closed the gap in supply" That's why I watch the Korean stream. It doesn't have the English commentator nonsense. :p | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:26 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote: nah that was fully Dream's fault. One more bunker and he holds it without problems... Lol, that is what all the Protoss say, 1 more bunker... You realise that on yeonsu, you need like 5 bunkers to cover the base... Time wrap is just retarded on this map... Gives the Protoss way too much zone control. And it is so easy to land. At least ff need some skill. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 Snusmumriken wrote: Did you not see the new maps? blink will be even stronger in new map pool. This is fucking bullshit frankly. Scout the build, prepare accordingly. Proceed to die because of timewarp and msc ubervision. Brace yourselfs PvProleage is coming. | ||
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and oov you need a haircut dude | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 AxionSteel wrote: Yes, Fungal was 100x more impressive than this though Well, it was for me because i have 400 ping so my fungals land second after i cast them. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 Daralii wrote: One more bunker and Dream holds that, kills the stalkers, runs across the map and wins in under 10 minutes. That was player error, not a design flaw. not really necessarily true, but it would have helped a little | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 Snusmumriken wrote: Did you not see the new maps? blink will be even stronger in new map pool. This is fucking bullshit frankly. Scout the build, prepare accordingly. Proceed to die because of timewarp and msc ubervision. Nah, they just gotta play better by building 4 bunkers. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:27 Varanice wrote: Oh I get it. Thunderstruck + Rain + Psi Storm oh lol nice catch | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:27 Varanice wrote: Oh I get it. Thunderstruck + Rain + Psi Storm If he has a song for every player, I'm going to be very impressed. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:26 DarkLordOlli wrote: I almost forgot the feeling of whine whenever protoss wins a game :D Really? You must have a short memory... | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:27 Snusmumriken wrote: Did you not see the new maps? blink will be even stronger in new map pool. This is fucking bullshit frankly. Scout the build, prepare accordingly. Proceed to die because of timewarp and msc ubervision. If only Dream had prepared accordingly | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:28 USvBleakill wrote: Brace yourselfs PvProleage is coming. only the diehards and hipsters will survive I'm dug in | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: If only Dream had prepared accordingly Nailed it! | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
rain won but the msc is something special -_- | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:28 Heartland wrote: What's going on, why is a korean starcraft stream playing good music? Pray for the lost and the lonely. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:26 Ammanas wrote: No, don't even try to complain. Dream just hanled it bad, he could have and should have hold this. Well there is always something to point out. The fact is Rain screwed up as well. Warp gate, late expo, letting Dream having full scout of his base etc. The blink with MSC and time warp, especially on such blink favored map leaves so little room for mistakes for terran player and a lot of breathing room for protoss. So yes, while you will always find some mistakes on terran part, I have never seen terran hold 2 base blink unless protoss screwed completely (like losing MSC). | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:27 Daralii wrote: One more bunker and Dream holds that, kills the stalkers, runs across the map and wins in under 10 minutes. That was player error, not a design flaw. And please show me a Terran build that needs 4-5 cannons from the Protoss as a reaction... | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:28 kckkryptonite wrote: Nah, they just gotta play better by building 4 bunkers. No, let's play better by not reacting properly. Great plan. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:27 Glorfindel! wrote: I guess the "he should had made one more bunker". And if he hade made that, always "one more" bunker. A tactic that is being scouted, and is failing due to forgetting something like Warp Gate should never be able to break a defending player. Nice start now for SKT1. Well, it's not never. He should have hold it if he didn't make crucial mistakes. In this case it was not building a bunker in a blink spot. Also his army positioning was terrible, as he had to run through 2 time warps just in order to get into range. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
I'm'a gonna be flip-flopping over to MVP just for DRG, though, ahaha. Let's go SKT1! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Let us see if that helps them! | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
We now know why ByuN is not playing. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: If only Dream had prepared accordingly You mean like Rain did by letting his cheese getting scouted and forgetting his most important upgrade? ^^ To bad Dream did not make a third bunker on the right place, he clearly deserved to loose! Flawless logic... :D:D:D:D | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
I'm happy with the result tho | ||
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Nezgar
Germany530 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:27 Snusmumriken wrote: This is fucking bullshit frankly. Scout the build, prepare accordingly. Proceed to die because of timewarp and msc ubervision. That was as far away from a good preperation as you can get... Build a bunker, maybe add a siegetank and he's safe as many other terrans have shown before. That was just Dream being sloppy. | ||
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regizer239
Guam327 Posts
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 vthree wrote: And please show me a Terran build that needs 4-5 cannons from the Protoss as a reaction... drops. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
TvP is in the worst state ever. Protoss now 100% dominates the early and the lategame. If you somehow manage to get into the midgame (10 min push MMM push) the protoss player just sits in his base and laughs because there is no way to stop him. User was warned for this post | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Glorfindel! wrote: You mean like Rain did by letting his cheese getting scouted and forgetting his most important upgrade? ^^ To bad Dream did not make a third bunker on the right place, he clearly deserved to loose! Flawless logic... :D:D:D:D So, essentially, what you're saying is that Dream played an otherwise flawless game? Don't be stupid. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2320 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 vthree wrote: And please show me a Terran build that needs 4-5 cannons from the Protoss as a reaction... Now here's an argument that makes no sense at all. | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=File:Yeonsu_LE.jpg&filetimestamp=20130822204748 | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2543 Posts
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GTR
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:31 TurboMaN wrote: Wow a game where you can mess up your build timings and still manage to win with only little micro. TvP is in the worst state ever. Protoss now 100% dominates the early and the lategame. If you somehow manage to get into the midgame (10 min push MMM push) the protoss player just sits in his base and laughs because there is no way to stop him. The saddest part is TvZ is in such a great state at the moment that if the XvP matchups could be slightly more balanced the game would be in the best state its been ever | ||
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WhurreOdu
Austria1739 Posts
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Nezgar wrote: That was as far away from a good preperation as you can get... Build a bunker, maybe add a siegetank and he's safe as many other terrans have shown before. That was just Dream being sloppy. Once again it is not really fair calling Dream sloppy for not making a THIRD bunker. Rain forgot his most important upgrade and let his cheese get scouted. How sloppy was that on a scale? Dreams was not making a Third bunker in the "right" spot. Is that even.. Comparable? | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Ammanas wrote: Well, it's not never. He should have hold it if he didn't make crucial mistakes. In this case it was not building a bunker in a blink spot. Also his army positioning was terrible, as he had to run through 2 time warps just in order to get into range. that happens against pretty much every blink allin. Kinda hard to avoid big green circles that instantly appear on your army. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: If only Dream had prepared accordingly This. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 GTR wrote: wow the guy came from jeju (island 5 hours away from seoul) just to see the korean caster live He shouldn't be going home empty-handed. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Figgy wrote: I don't understand why Terran refuses to build 1-2 tanks on that map vs blink stalkers. He had more than enough time for it, would have been an easy hold. Because 1 tank does nothing vs blink stalkers... | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 bo1b wrote: Does anyone have an answer to youtube repeating like its got a scratch on it? Twitch is so laggy for me and I'd really like to watch this in hd Lol im watching on Mobile resolution ffs!! | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 GTR wrote: wow the guy came from jeju (island 5 hours away from seoul) just to see the korean caster live Why is he wearing such a breathing protection thingy? Are people from rural areas scared of pollution in big cities like Seoul or something? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 Glorfindel! wrote: Once again it is not really fair calling Dream sloppy for not making a THIRD bunker. Rain forgot his most important upgrade and let his cheese get scouted. How sloppy was that on a scale? Dreams was not making a Third bunker in the "right" spot. Is that even.. Comparable? On December 29 2013 19:31 Zealously wrote: So, essentially, what you're saying is that Dream played an otherwise flawless game? Don't be stupid. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:33 vthree wrote: Because 1 tank does nothing vs blink stalkers... He did say 1-2. 2 must absolutely crush it. | ||
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 KristofferAG wrote: He shouldn't be going home empty-handed. only if he swam to seoul :p | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
O shit | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:31 architecture wrote: Don't see how tank or bunker works on that map. There is way too much room to maneuver around. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=File:Yeonsu_LE.jpg&filetimestamp=20130822204748 just get 3-4 tanks, 4 bunkers, stim and medivacs and stop crying ffs | ||
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GTR
51374 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:33 UmberBane wrote: Why is he wearing such a breathing protection thingy? Are people from rural areas scared of pollution in big cities like Seoul or something? if you're ill it's common courtesy in east asia to wear a mask as to not spread your illness | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 Glorfindel! wrote: Once again it is not really fair calling Dream sloppy for not making a THIRD bunker. Rain forgot his most important upgrade and let his cheese get scouted. How sloppy was that on a scale? Dreams was not making a Third bunker in the "right" spot. Is that even.. Comparable? He could have built that 3rd bunker and gotten a single tank and been 100% fine against any blink location. He knew how fast his expansion was compared to Rain, and he 100% knew it was a blink ALL-IN. Yet he decided to play super greedy (even trying to get +1 before it hit) and he payed for it. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:31 Zealously wrote: So, essentially, what you're saying is that Dream played an otherwise flawless game? Don't be stupid. No, but with much less flaws than Rain as far as I could see from the spectators view. However your Protossbiases are incredible And there is no reasong to call anyone stupid, right? | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
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Vertitto
Poland750 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:33 vthree wrote: Because 1 tank does nothing vs blink stalkers... i tell you - bunker upgrades is way to go ; D | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:34 Glorfindel! wrote: No, but with much less flaws than Rain as far as I could see from the spectators view. However your Protossbiases are incredible And there is no reasong to call anyone stupid, right? I tend to call people stupid when they are | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:34 GTR wrote: if you're ill it's common courtesy in east asia to wear a mask as to not spread your illness Sure does sound better than getting coughed in the face on public transport. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:32 Glorfindel! wrote: Once again it is not really fair calling Dream sloppy for not making a THIRD bunker. Rain forgot his most important upgrade and let his cheese get scouted. How sloppy was that on a scale? Dreams was not making a Third bunker in the "right" spot. Is that even.. Comparable? Exactly. People who defend blink just focus on Dream's mistakes but in that game. Nobody can play flawless game. I think Rain did more crucial mistakes but time warp + blink mobility and multiple entry points on Yeonsu favor protoss so much. If you want an honest analysis you need to include Rain's mistakes as well. It is probably a 90% win strategy on that map, same as for example Star Station or most likely next season Heavy Rain. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:34 n0ise wrote: just get 3-4 tanks, 4 bunkers, stim and medivacs and stop crying ffs Rushing to Neosteel frame along with a couple of ravens would do wonders against this push. Dream just didn't make the correct reads. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:34 GTR wrote: if you're ill it's common courtesy in east asia to wear a mask as to not spread your illness I'll never forget Violet winning an MLG Arena while sick and wearing a mask. Made an impression. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Stop it already and enjoy the game. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 AxionSteel wrote: Rushing to Neosteel frame along with a couple of ravens would do wonders against this push. Dream just didn't make the correct reads. BC/ghost should hold that no problem imo. especially if you also make a positional PF. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:33 Ctesias wrote: He did say 1-2. 2 must absolutely crush it. If you have both tanks in the main, the Protoss time wraps your ramp and kills your natural... That map is just terrible for TvP. | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 FFW_Rude wrote: Can we stop to whine about that first game ? Dear did not put a bunker where 100% of the blink all in arrive. Doesn't matter that Rain screwd up. It's like scouting a 2rax and going 3hatch before pool. Stop it already and enjoy the game. If he put a bunker there, you cannot find another place to blink up? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=File:Yeonsu_LE.jpg&filetimestamp=20130822204748 You think 2 bunkers is enough for the main? | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
nice! | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 KristofferAG wrote: Sure does sound better than getting coughed in the face on public transport. I think it actually does help to reduce the chance of spreading the illness, so its quite nice. Personally I always want to spread my sick as far as I can, so I don't even cover my mouth when sneezing. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 Zealously wrote: I tend to call people stupid when they are Feels like you are making some personal insults which clearly does not belong in a thread? Especially a TL-writer should know better? Cheering for MVP now, want an ace match | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:34 GTR wrote: if you're ill it's common courtesy in east asia to wear a mask as to not spread your illness Ah okay. That's... kinda nice of them | ||
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GTR
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:36 vthree wrote: If you have both tanks in the main, the Protoss time wraps your ramp and kills your natural... That map is just terrible for TvP. Is there a map that isn't? + Show Spoiler + this isn't balance whine this is a zerg asking a TvP question | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:36 Schelim wrote: BC/ghost should hold that no problem imo. especially if you also make a positional PF. So much good advice in this thread, it's just Terrans refusing to adapt and keep whine whine whine | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
Not that anyone does that anymore but you get the point | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Nezgar wrote: That was as far away from a good preperation as you can get... Build a bunker, maybe add a siegetank and he's safe as many other terrans have shown before. That was just Dream being sloppy. blatant lie. If you try to add siegetanks you cut marauders which are way better at dealing with this build, in particular because siegetanks are fucking useless apart from defending (and you need 2 at least). Putting down too many bunkers mean you cut units, at which point the protoss can just blink on top of the bunker and kill it quickly and proceed to kill yo ubeause you have nothing outside the bunker. If you cut too many scvs you risk falling behind even with perfect defence since you dont know if protoss is cutting probes or not. Rain fucked up. He got scouted, he forgot warpgate, but no... lets talk about dream not building a ring of bunkers around his base. Forget the fact that he actually needs units IN his bunker, must find excuse. Such skill, so amaze. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:37 GTR wrote: come august that sk telecom jingle is going to be grating to the ears I thought it was my computer making a weird noise. Why would they add that? | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 FFW_Rude wrote: Can we stop to whine about that first game ? Dear did not put a bunker where 100% of the blink all in arrive. Doesn't matter that Rain screwd up. It's like scouting a 2rax and going 3hatch before pool. Stop it already and enjoy the game. No, do you play this game? Blink can come from multiple places on Yeonsu.. That is why Terrans are complaining... Protoss has MSC and they know where the weakest point is and attack there... It isn't close the 3 hatch before pool you idiot. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:33 covetousrat wrote: Lol im watching on Mobile resolution ffs!! I shouldn't complain too much , it's pretty much a first world problem that I can't watch professional video gaming in hd :D | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 KristofferAG wrote: Sure does sound better than getting coughed in the face on public transport. I always thought coughing isn't spreading colds. Only sniffing. Not that coughing in other guys face is right, rofl. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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kckkryptonite
1126 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:30 Ammanas wrote: Well, it's not never. He should have hold it if he didn't make crucial mistakes. In this case it was not building a bunker in a blink spot. Also his army positioning was terrible, as he had to run through 2 time warps just in order to get into range. And apparently Rain didn't make any crucial mistakes. How exactly is the T supposed to keep constant tabs on the blink Stalker army with that many points to defend? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:36 Glorfindel! wrote: Feels like you are making some personal insults which clearly does not belong in a thread? Especially a TL-writer should know better? Cheering for MVP now, want an ace match I'm insulting what you're saying because it is stupid. I can't convince you otherwise, but you're sadly mistaken if you think the only mistake Dream made in that game was not building an additional bunker. Likewise, you seem to underestimate the efficiency of Rain's micro. Not just any Protoss wins in that situation. It takes mistakes from Dream and good play from Rain, and both happened. | ||
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noobPride
Spain333 Posts
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:35 FFW_Rude wrote: Can we stop to whine about that first game ? Dear did not put a bunker where 100% of the blink all in arrive. Doesn't matter that Rain screwd up. It's like scouting a 2rax and going 3hatch before pool. Stop it already and enjoy the game. Lol, making 3 instead of 4 bunkers is equivalent to scouting 2 rax and going 3 hatch before pool? You can't be serious. Dream didn't go for 2 rax fast medivacs, he had 3 rax with addons which is good enough production to defend such aggression. The problem is that the margin for error is so small that terran will lose to that strat 90% of the time. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:37 GTR wrote: come august that sk telecom jingle is going to be grating to the ears mindmindmind much? | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2320 Posts
There's no such thing as race imba maps in PL. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:37 DarkLordOlli wrote: So in other words the map is to blame. Which again begs the question - why didn't Dream take that into consideration and made another bunker? If I play on a map with a giant natural ramp and I scout a 2rax, I'm making more than 2 sentries. It's called adapting Not that anyone does that anymore but you get the point Because the game has limited resources and you can build 10 bunkers and have units... | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
Impressed with quality of stream so far, no issues for me lag wise on Twitch watching in source | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5522 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
still miss Arkanoid though | ||
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sharkie
Austria18323 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:40 vthree wrote: Because the game has limited resources and you can build 10 bunkers and have units... Then dont send out a terran on this map? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:39 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if you're upset about blink stalkers, send a Protoss yourself?! There's no such thing as race imba maps in PL. Have you seen the PL line ups? Do you want every team to send in 4 Ps? | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Bingo. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23571 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Standings.php?r=18&g=3038 It's just NovaMB and me right now. Let's catch up to Sweden (14) and Australia (21) ! | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Honestly that was the most surprising thing about that match tbh. In the state PvT meta is in that seems like the least likely map I'd want to send a terran on. Maybe hoping SKT would put a good ZvP zerg on it instead of a toss? Seems kinda silly but the only thing I see | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:39 Zealously wrote: I'm insulting what you're saying because it is stupid. I can't convince you otherwise, but you're sadly mistaken if you think the only mistake Dream made in that game was not building an additional bunker. Likewise, you seem to underestimate the efficiency of Rain's micro. Not just any Protoss wins in that situation. It takes mistakes from Dream and good play from Rain, and both happened. When saying: "Dont Be Stupid" and "I tend to call people stupid" and even quote it, how on earth can you claim that you insult what I am saying and not me in person? You clearly overstep and insult me because we do not look at the game in the same way. I can promise I watch just as much SC2 as you and it feels like you feel like your arguments in those threads just "wins" because what you say somehow is supposed to be the truth. When I say that "hey, perhaps that didnt make any sence" you insult me personally by twice calling me stupid. Then you say you didnt, even though you quote it.. I dont even.. :S | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:42 vthree wrote: Have you seen the PL line ups? Do you want every team to send in 4 Ps? I don't think what we, as viewers, want to see is very relevant in this case | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:40 vthree wrote: Because the game has limited resources and you can build 10 bunkers and have units... 1 additional bunker in a key location. You know, a bunker already scares a protoss away from blinking in at a certain location. There's no way to know how many/what units are inside and unless you're desperate you're not blinking into it. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:39 Zealously wrote: I'm insulting what you're saying because it is stupid. I can't convince you otherwise, but you're sadly mistaken if you think the only mistake Dream made in that game was not building an additional bunker. Likewise, you seem to underestimate the efficiency of Rain's micro. Not just any Protoss wins in that situation. It takes mistakes from Dream and good play from Rain, and both happened. Almost every protoss wins with 2 base blink on maps like Yeonsu or Star Station. Yes, Rain is great, but he screwed up his build pretty bad, made probably the same amount of mistakes as Dream, probably even more but the mobility of stalkers+time warp + multiple entry points make it almost impossible to defend 2 base blink. You cant even evacuate the natural because protoss is mining back home from 2 bases. Seriously, saying that blink isn't broken on current maps is like saying 1/1/1 wasn't broken against protoss. It had the same problems - hard to scout exactly what you are up against and tiny margin for error on protoss part. I bet you could find errors in every protoss players defense of 1/1/1 back in WoL but that doesn't change the fact the build was too strong and imbalanced. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16053 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:42 vthree wrote: Have you seen the PL line ups? Do you want every team to send in 4 Ps? It's honestly what I'm expecting with the current map pool and metagame. Proleague was all PvP last season, I don't see any reason why that trend won't repeat itself this season, especially considering what we just saw. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18323 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:42 vthree wrote: Have you seen the PL line ups? Do you want every team to send in 4 Ps? I am sure the team coaches take the fans into consideration when they put up their lineups... | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
So we should have always have mirrors? Why don't we just make a map with 1 base each so teams only send out Terran? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
Tempests too...maybe amgerd | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Already liking 2014 season much more than 2013 | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:37 DarkLordOlli wrote: So in other words the map is to blame. Which again begs the question - why didn't Dream take that into consideration and made another bunker? If I play on a map with a giant natural ramp and I scout a 2rax, I'm making more than 2 sentries. It's called adapting Not that anyone does that anymore but you get the point Because one more bunker wouldn't actually be enough. One more Bunker means one less Marauder as minerals are tight in the early game. Also that Bunker needs to be filled in time and if you spread out across 3 bunkers you have not enough units at either point and an intelligent protoss like Rain is able to abuse that and snipe a bunker and the units in it with the help of a timewarp. The best way to defend blink-allins is actually having more units because Bunkers don't do much at all. Dream's mistake wasn't not building a bunker but not being in the right position. If he was positioned better he could have held it. That's really difficult to do though | ||
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usopsama
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:43 DarkLordOlli wrote: 1 additional bunker in a key location. You know, a bunker already scares a protoss away from blinking in at a certain location. There's no way to know how many/what units are inside and unless you're desperate you're not blinking into it. Bunkers don't scare protoss away at all. MSC provides so much vision that you can easily decide where is the best entry point into terran base. I saw so many 2 base blink plays where protoss just blinked on top of the bunker while the rest of the army was somewhere by the ramp. You can even time warp to delay the army or repair even more. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:43 Qwerty85 wrote: Almost every protoss wins with 2 base blink on maps like Yeonsu or Star Station. Yes, Rain is great, but he screwed up his build pretty bad, made probably the same amount of mistakes as Dream, probably even more but the mobility of stalkers+time warp + multiple entry points make it almost impossible to defend 2 base blink. You cant even evacuate the natural because protoss is mining back home from 2 bases. Seriously, saying that blink isn't broken on current maps is like saying 1/1/1 wasn't broken against protoss. It had the same problems - hard to scout exactly what you are up against and tiny margin for error on protoss part. I bet you could find errors in every protoss players defense of 1/1/1 back in WoL but that doesn't change the fact the build was too strong and imbalanced. Lol, not even close | ||
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Glorfindel!
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Can you exaplain what is not being close instead of writing "lol" and nothing else? | ||
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bo1b
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
SKT got this shit so ez | ||
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vthree
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1/1/1s were held... | ||
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sparklyresidue
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On December 29 2013 19:46 bo1b wrote: Looks like mvp is about to pick up a game in time for drg to stomp so hard that skt forfeits Super forgot to not die to hydras | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
Well that was a well constructed argument if I ever saw one. | ||
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FFW_Rude
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On December 29 2013 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: And twitch continues to be unwatchable for me. Great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM Try this | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
SKT T1 Domination | ||
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WhurreOdu
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On December 29 2013 19:45 WhurreOdu wrote: Looks good for Super until now. ...until now | ||
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lolfail9001
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On December 29 2013 19:47 Comogury wrote: 0 forcefields. he probably had the mothership core hotkeyed with his sentries and got fucked over that way. Nah, he spent all energy on hallucinations :D | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: And twitch continues to be unwatchable for me. Great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM&feature=player_embedded | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Now we know that phoenixes suck against MASS hydra | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: And twitch continues to be unwatchable for me. Great. Watch on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:47 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:44 vthree wrote: So we should have always have mirrors? Why don't we just make a map with 1 base each so teams only send out Terran? Pretty sure the maps' d change if we always had 4 PvPs | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:47 ACrow wrote: gg, SKT Zerg fighting Even an SKT wins a game where a Protoss with sentries doesn't use force fields and decided to heatbutt your lings tt | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16053 Posts
Oh fuck yea, I forgot this was going to be streamed on youtube. Thank you kindly. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:48 Qwyn wrote: OMG sick timings by soO! That was an awesome switchup of the normal flow of ZvP, ahaha. Glad to see this becoming more common - it reminds me so much of classical timings. So new standard is muta ling into hydra-muta instead of hydra ling into muta ling :D | ||
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negativedge
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he was the final boss at one point, ok. the GSTL monster. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:46 Lunareste wrote: KESPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA hahaha this never gets old | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
time for DRG to go full badass | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Mass hydra just rapes that amount of phoenixes | ||
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covetousrat
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On December 29 2013 19:47 Zealously wrote: Watch on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM I love you!! | ||
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ChoDing
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On December 29 2013 19:49 mOojc wrote: Noooooooooooo soO you were meant to lose! My anti team =( nooooo super meant to lose! My anti team =) | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
It's fucking pissing me off every time I refresh | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:49 Mangooze wrote: Stream quality is very nice for freeloaders this time. Youtube ftw. No lag for Ausfailian internet. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:49 ne4aJIb wrote: bo5 so sad I definitely agree it's not good. Now lesser players will get no playtime at all. Well... at least we got PL back. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:51 TAMinator wrote: Why isn't Moonglade here? Not doing trio casts? Maybe latter. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:51 TAMinator wrote: Why isn't Moonglade here? Not doing trio casts? Probably rotating | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
1/1/1s were held after an immortal buff on maps that were specifically designed to discourage 1/1/1s (see Daybreak). Every terran went 1/1/1 on every map that allowed for it and protoss got close to extinct. That's the worst state of balance this game ever had. If blink allins were at all comparable then every protoss would do it every game and it would still have an 80% winrate. Because that's how the 1/1/1 was | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:50 LimitSEA wrote: Youtube ftw. No lag for Ausfailian internet. Thanks! | ||
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I played parting today(btw he's probably doing WCS NA that's my theory, getting those 200 wins); on belshir vestige He did a cannon rush vs my 15 pool 16 hatch in the top right portion of my natural. | ||
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McRatyn
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 Canata? | ||
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Pandemona
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Pro League and KESPA listened to last years 5minute breaks after every game?!?! | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Kipsate/1371295123481.gif) | ||
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vthree
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On December 29 2013 19:51 DarkLordOlli wrote: 1/1/1s were held after an immortal buff on maps that were specifically designed to discourage 1/1/1s (see Daybreak). Every terran went 1/1/1 on every map that allowed for it and protoss got close to extinct. That's the worst state of balance this game ever had. If blink allins were at all comparable then every protoss would do it every game and it would still have an 80% winrate. Because that's how the 1/1/1 was Every Terran went 1/1/1 on every map? Stop exaggerating... Some 1/1/1s were held before the immortal buff... | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:54 Schelim wrote: dat ad. now i really wanna go to Korea because girls. You should go there because food. That stuff is delicious. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 Pangpootata wrote: Every single Korean guy in that Street interview has black rimmed hipster spectacles wtf. Because those kinda spectacles are fucking aaawesomeeeeeee | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 Ctesias wrote: You should go there because food. That stuff is delicious. Best option would be to go for both! | ||
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Pangpootata
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On December 29 2013 19:55 Keeemy wrote: Because those kinda spectacles are fucking aaawesomeeeeeee Actually I wear those kind too haha. On December 29 2013 19:52 McRatyn wrote: Is that my imagination or is the caster on the right Canata?I was thinking the same thing too. Maybe someone who understands Korean can confirm? | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
Food on girls FTW! | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 Ctesias wrote: You should go there because food. That stuff is delicious. Also hella cheap. Like. Food-wise, I spent nearly nothing because good food doesn't cost much. | ||
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ChoDing
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 vthree wrote: Every Terran went 1/1/1 on every map? Stop exaggerating... Some 1/1/1s were held before the immortal buff... Sure they were, but they were still dominant..I'm a terran and can see this, surely you can too! | ||
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I can't see him beating Parting. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:52 McRatyn wrote: Is that my imagination or is the caster on the right Canata?he joined SPOTV like one year ago. Now if they manage to snatch GoRush/TheMarine it would be awesome. SPOTV casters doesnt seem as good as OGN | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2320 Posts
"13 W 11L is an INSANE RECORD" | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 Pangpootata wrote: Every single Korean guy in that Street interview has black rimmed hipster spectacles wtf. They aren't hipster spectacles, they are glasses that are comfortable which nerds were as they are comfortable for you. I have a pair but they aren't as big rimmed as those and they are so comfortable compared to my last glasses. All the girls who wear those kind of glasses are hipsters as for some reason nerd is now a fashion style 0.O | ||
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Pangpootata
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That's Japan not Korea, where at certain restaurants you can get sushi served on a girl's body. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:56 Arceus wrote: he joined SPOTV like one year ago. Now if they manage to snatch GoRush/TheMarine it would be awesome. SPOTV casters doesnt seem as good as OGN wtf the other two are the guys from MBC, they're just as good. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 vthree wrote: Every Terran went 1/1/1 on every map? Stop exaggerating... Some 1/1/1s were held before the immortal buff... On every map that allowed for it, please read correctly. That isn't an exaggeration either. It's why it was calles "the 1/1/1" era. They started mixing it up when counterbuilds developed (that protoss had to do blindly mind you) | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 Ctesias wrote: You should go there because food. That stuff is delicious. i know, we have a Korean restaurant in Vienna that is supposedly legit Korean food (rather than Western "asian" food) and goddamn is it delicioius. i just wanna go for both. i'll eat Korean food off Korean girls. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
parting is so chubby now.. | ||
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New Zealand5447 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:54 vthree wrote: Every Terran went 1/1/1 on every map? Stop exaggerating... Some 1/1/1s were held before the immortal buff... Can you and Olli please just stop. No-one gives a shit. It's game 3 already. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
nonnononono twitch. You were doing fine ! Don't start to lag | ||
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Germany6362 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:55 bo1b wrote: Can't believe wolf says drg cracks under pressure lol Well, he kinda does. GSTL Finals in game seven, Blizz-cup in game 7 after bringing in back from 3-0 to 3-3, Iron Squid in game 7, after being up 3-0. DRG may be a monster, but he still shows nerves, MMA for example has shown to be more cold-blooded. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:56 ChoDing wrote: holy shit parting got FAT Yo guys seriously is this a joke or something...? Because that's far from fat. Unless you compare his body now to the ST times when he was skinny as fuck. You could say he got healthier. | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:56 sharkie wrote: DRG isn't a good zerg anymore is he? Best ZvT | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:58 Keeemy wrote: Yo guys seriously is this a joke or something...? Because that's far from fat. Unless you compare his body now to the ST times when he was skinny as fuck. You could say he got healthier. Exactly, if anything the jacket makes him look fat but he certainly isn't. | ||
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Aeromi
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On December 29 2013 19:56 LeLfe wrote: how is 13-11 an insane stat? Get the hype ! By the way, you should change your quote. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:58 Kasaraki wrote: Ugh Wolf used to be such a good caster. Hoping this is just an off day. Oh come on now, his comment fails are part of his charm imo!! and....PartinG is fat. Wow. | ||
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Zealously
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On December 29 2013 19:56 sharkie wrote: DRG isn't a good zerg anymore is he? Yes he is sometimes | ||
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United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:59 McRatyn wrote: 13-11 the new running joke on TL. Called it. 40/40 chance it catches on | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:56 Arceus wrote: he joined SPOTV like one year ago. Now if they manage to snatch GoRush/TheMarine it would be awesome. SPOTV casters doesnt seem as good as OGN GoRush and TheMarine are supposed to be casting a BW Proleague, man. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438440 | ||
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On December 29 2013 19:51 DarkLordOlli wrote: 1/1/1s were held after an immortal buff on maps that were specifically designed to discourage 1/1/1s (see Daybreak). Every terran went 1/1/1 on every map that allowed for it and protoss got close to extinct. That's the worst state of balance this game ever had. If blink allins were at all comparable then every protoss would do it every game and it would still have an 80% winrate. Because that's how the 1/1/1 was There were games where protoss held 1/1/1 even before the immortal buff. For example Thorzain vs. MC on Xel Naga. Also, if every terran went 1/1/1 and it was not possible to hold, how come terran had somewhere between 55-60% win ratio in Korea at that time and not closer to 100%. So you are way overexagerating. Also, protoss players are doing blink all ins almost every game on blink favored maps. The only difference is that there are some other good protoss builds like proxy oracle that can do significant damage so protoss isn't just limited to 2 base blink. But as I said, when map is blink favored, you will see 2 base blink in almost every single TvP. So it is very comparable to 1/1/1. Even if 1/1/1 was a bit stronger, that doesn't mean blinks are not to strong as well in the current map pool. | ||
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LeLfe
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On December 29 2013 19:59 Aeromi wrote: Get the hype ! By the way, you should change your quote. yeah realized that after I posted | ||
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bo1b
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On December 29 2013 19:58 Xoronius wrote: Well, he kinda does. GSTL Finals in game seven, Blizz-cup in game 7 after bringing in back from 3-0 to 3-3, Iron Squid in game 7, after being up 3-0. DRG may be a monster, but he still shows nerves, MMA for example has shown to be more cold-blooded. All of those games aren't examples of choking under pressure lol. Losing to a superior player isn't choking, if drg choked under pressure he'd have been 4:0d in the blizz cup, he wouldn't have carried his team so hard in gstl for 3 seasons etc. | ||
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FFW_Rude
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Edit : phenix... i hate it even more. Well.. i might learn how to defend that | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:00 KristofferAG wrote: GoRush and TheMarine are supposed to be casting a BW Proleague, man. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438440 I know. Thats why I figure maybe they would be free to cast something other than OGN's contents | ||
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vthree
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On December 29 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote: On every map that allowed for it, please read correctly. That isn't an exaggeration either. It's why it was calles "the 1/1/1" era. They started mixing it up when counterbuilds developed (that protoss had to do blindly mind you) Then list the maps that allowed for it and I will show you a game where the Terran didn't 1-1-1. There is the BL infestor era as well, 11-11 era, P death ball era... Doesn't mean they did it every game. And you contradict yourself. iF Terrans did it 100%, then Protoss wouldn't be blind countering, would they? Since they know 100% it is coming... | ||
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Pandemona
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Fast third is normally how PartinG loses his PvZ xD | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:03 Pandemona wrote: Lack of soul is not cool Fast third is normally how PartinG loses his PvZ xD So that's a good thing :p Edit : no robo ? with hydras out ? EDIt 2 : here it is ^^ | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:04 FFW_Rude wrote: So that's a good thing :p Edit : no robo ? with hydras out ? EDIt 2 : here it is ^^ Yeah standard PartinG thinking he can hold Hydras with his blink micro xD Well guess he showed me...rape 0.O | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:02 Arceus wrote: I know. Thats why I figure maybe they would be free to cast something other than OGN's contents I wouldn't mind. More of them is always a good thing IMO | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:06 Pandemona wrote: Yeah standard PartinG thinking he can hold Hydras with his blink micro xD Well guess he showed me...rape 0.O that was nice WOW | ||
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Pandemona
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Poll: Recommend DRG vs PartinG Meh Game (20) Good Game (8) Bad Game (5) Excellent Game (3) 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend DRG vs PartinG (Vote): Excellent Game Poll: Recommend Shine vs Soulkey Excellent Game (12) Good Game (7) Bad Game (3) Meh Game (1) 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Shine vs Soulkey (Vote): Excellent Game | ||
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joke aside it's been a while since he played a correct PvZ, nice to see him do well | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:08 Pandemona wrote: Poll: Recommend DRG vs PartinG Meh Game (20) Good Game (8) Bad Game (5) Excellent Game (3) 36 total votes Your vote: Recommend DRG vs PartinG (Vote): Excellent Game Poll: Recommend Shine vs Soulkey Excellent Game (12) Good Game (7) Bad Game (3) Meh Game (1) 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Shine vs Soulkey (Vote): Excellent Game | ||
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On December 29 2013 17:00 ArTiFaKs wrote: Since T1 is going to loose badly i would recommend that you do make chocolate cookie. They're good when you're sad. YOU WERE SAYING?!!! | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:08 negativedge wrote: I mean, I know SKT is the best team, but none of those games was competitive for even a minute All three players screwed up in one way or another :/ | ||
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Bo5 feels weird for a team league, hopefully some better games in the next match. | ||
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IM is just lucky they're playing Prime, so they get an easy way out. | ||
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AxionSteel
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Still sad he lost though TERRIBLE games. | ||
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FFW_Rude
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hahaha Was wondering if i would get quoted. Well my heart is all for killing SKT :p But it was a DREAM. | ||
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Ctesias
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:09 StarVe wrote: A team new to proleague always gets wiped in the first match, just look at EGTL. IM is just lucky they're playing Prime, so they get an easy way out. Although lets be real, IM wouldn't be losing this bad to any team in the league | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Make Barbie cry, guys! | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:10 chipmonklord17 wrote: Although lets be real, IM wouldn't be losing this bad to any team in the league To be fair they're not facing CJ or SKT. It's two ex esf teams. | ||
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noobPride
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
(also those sweet, sweet SKT main team points ^^) | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:09 Zealously wrote: All three players screwed up in one way or another :/ the likelihood of SKT performing solidly is still way higher than MVP being on apeshit mode right | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:10 Ctesias wrote: Even more one-sided than expected. I wonder if anyone can beat SKT this season. We'll see when they play against a team whose players don''t screw up :D + Show Spoiler + CJ ez 3-0 | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Goddamnit I'm turning into an SKT fanboy. | ||
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Denmark7115 Posts
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Ctesias
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On December 29 2013 20:09 bertu wrote: Soulkey's signing proving to be a complete waste so far. The team is definitely too big for bo5 Proleague. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
Should have looked at the matches before picking. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:11 Ctesias wrote: The team is definitely too big for bo5 Proleague. Maybe that the reason why they may allow PartinG to play in WCS NA. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Or maybe on ace match. i want to see the secret booth. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:11 Arceus wrote: the likelihood of SKT performing solidly is still way higher than MVP being on apeshit mode right Not just right now, all the time I don't think more than one MVP player has went apeshit at any one time, ever | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Maybe Jin Air is close | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:11 FFW_Rude wrote: To be faire they're not facing CJ or SKT. Even then I don't see IM looking that lackluster against either CJ or SKT. Even if they would also lose 0-3 (which I don't think they will) | ||
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New Zealand165 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:11 Ctesias wrote: The team is definitely too big for bo5 Proleague. they should honestly pull a LoL and split into SKT S and SKT K | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
I was watching the Korean stream, and they are amazing at their job, but there is just no tension in SC2. Obvious outcomes of fights :/ Too many "ah..." let down moments where the casters are trying to hype something up, but it's is already over with or plain obvious what will happen. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:12 chipmonklord17 wrote: Even then I don't see IM looking that lackluster against either CJ or SKT. Even if they would also lose 0-3 (which I don't think they will) Unless they lose -1 - 3, they'll get wiped 0-3 | ||
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Singapore2748 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:13 Zealously wrote: Unless they lose -1 - 3, they'll get wiped 0-3 Am I missing something? Couldn't they also lose 2-3? | ||
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Arceus
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:14 poorcloud wrote: So hows the audience guys? Has it improved from last season? Seems so yes. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
dont be nervous babe. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:12 negativedge wrote: they should honestly pull a LoL and split into SKT S and SKT K How can you split a player into 2? | ||
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Canada39254 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:09 Laryleprakon wrote: Gratz SKT Bo5 feels weird for a team league, hopefully some better games in the next match. Yeah, I don't know what to feel about bo5 in a team league. But since they run two matches a day, I guess it's pretty fitting (two team league bo7 takes a lot of time). | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:14 ChoDing wrote: her hand is shaking.. dont be nervous babe. Well, that is a big name sign. Must be heavy. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
the team itself, not soulkey this shouldn't be that hard | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Also wow. Oov coming and you can see she's nervous as hell | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:15 Aeromi wrote: It could be funny to see Barbie interview Gerrard. prime will never win, so I don't think that will be a problem | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:15 Aeromi wrote: It could be funny to see Barbie interview Gerrard. Prime would have to win a match for that to happen | ||
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Finland7855 Posts
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Garnet
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
That commentator giving her a pro golf clap | ||
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:12 negativedge wrote: they should honestly pull a LoL and split into SKT S and SKT K SKT S (top1 team) Rain Parting Soulkey Soo SKT K (top4 team) Fantasy Classic Sacsri BravO SKT T (still ahead of Prime) Dark Journey Paralize Sorry | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:16 Dodgin wrote: Prime would have to win a match for that to happen Haha. Just wait. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
Day 4952, we are still waiting. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
I'VE BEEN WAITING MY ENTIRE LIFE, LORNING. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:16 Dodgin wrote: Prime would have to win a match for that to happen opterown going to get you | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:16 Dodgin wrote: Prime would have to win a match for that to happen Maybe there'll be an interview for the bottom-ranked team somewhere along the line. "How will you ever turn this 0-10 result around?" | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:17 Dodgin wrote: I'VE BEEN WAITING MY ENTIRE LIFE, LORNING. Just 40 minutes more. I think you can handle that. edit: Or 4 minutes, if I can believe the stream | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
he can't catch me he doesn't have a hammer shellbot pls spare me | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:14 chipmonklord17 wrote: Am I missing something? Couldn't they also lose 2-3? You're missing a (bad) joke | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 DJHelium wrote: How did DRG do? ZergBongRaeGu or a close game? Bopped. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 Ctesias wrote: Maybe there'll be an interview for the bottom-ranked team somewhere along the line. "How will you ever turn this 0-10 result around?" and the answer will be something like : "We are trying to get Coach park from cj" | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
Well, it definitely is an improvement, but you should be more worried about the longevity. Opening day better have more people. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 DJHelium wrote: How did DRG do? ZergBongRaeGu or a close game? It wasn't close. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 purakushi wrote: Well, it definitely is an improvement, but you should be more worried about the longevity. Opening day better have more people. Not enough girls compared to bw if you want | ||
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On December 29 2013 20:19 FFW_Rude wrote: Not enough girls compared to bw if you want Needs more Bisu. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 DJHelium wrote: How did DRG do? ZergBongRaeGu or a close game? It was as close as me playing flash while i had my hands attached behind my back and click on mouse with my tongue NO ! This is more like it. Also lol at Stork | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
Or Nada. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
I assumed as much, but its also 6:20am and I've gotten an hour of sleep #sleepkillingESPORTS | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 DJHelium wrote: How did DRG do? ZergBongRaeGu or a close game? Parting outplayed him, and his muta switch was scouted which led to Parting just stomping him before any mutas were produced. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439392 It's Prime Time | ||
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 Ctesias wrote: Maybe there'll be an interview for the bottom-ranked team somewhere along the line. "How will you ever turn this 0-10 result around?" Samsung did turn a 1-8 to 21-21 last season, so it doesn't seem impossible. But then again, it's prime. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:18 Aeromi wrote: It wasn't close. On December 29 2013 20:20 FFW_Rude wrote: It was as close as me playing flash while i had my hands attached behind my back and click on mouse with my tongue | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:21 Pangpootata wrote: Samsung did turn a 1-8 to 21-21 last season, so it doesn't seem impossible. But then again, it's prime. Maybe Prime will truly come into their own in the bo7 format later on. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:21 Pangpootata wrote: Samsung did turn a 1-8 to 21-21 last season, so it doesn't seem impossible. But then again, it's prime. khan had jangbang. it was only a matter of time. maybe prime can sign him mid season. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:21 Ctesias wrote: Maybe Prime will truly come into their own in the bo7 format later on. They would have to do well enough bo5 to GET to bo7 if I understood the format right | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:21 Pangpootata wrote: Samsung did turn a 1-8 to 21-21 last season, so it doesn't seem impossible. But then again, it's prime. Yeah, but they had JangBi and Roro in prime form, plus Stork doing ok. | ||
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Highways
Australia6098 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:12 FFW_Rude wrote: So no TvT and no ZvZ this week. Or maybe on ace match. i want to see the secret booth. What secret booth? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:23 ViperPL wrote: Yeah, but they had JangBi and Roro in prime form, plus Stork doing ok. Pretty sure Stork had the biggest losing streak in proleague last season | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
There is a special booth for the ace match. | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:24 Aeromi wrote: There is a special booth for the ace match. You forgot the important part ITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:24 GTPGlitch wrote: You forgot the important part ITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR Whaaaaaat the hype | ||
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hainrich
Germany144 Posts
SKT +4 MVP -1 Rain +4 soO +4 Parting +4 Soulkey +2 Shine +1 all other SKT players +1 | ||
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Heartland
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
Oh right, wrong thread hey. | ||
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United States1305 Posts
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Thruth
Poland112 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:36 TaShadan wrote: Kespa teams easy. The days of esf teams dominating is over. MVP is KeSPA | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 22:58 atrox_ wrote: that TvP was actually disgusting. How can Rain make so many mistakes yet still beat a player that saw what was coming and prepared? And if you're going to reply to this post with a protoss icon don't bother saying "build another bunker" i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:02 opterown wrote: i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers PF in the main! | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_zt6FpebM | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:02 opterown wrote: i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers just getting a single tank and defending it defends blink attacks early on. I don't play anymore but going mech the amount of times I won by just having a tank or two were pretty impressive. Of course if you're not going to ever build anything but MMM and there's a build that can exploit the current meta builds vunerability please be sure to blame balance and not stubborness of the players. Maybe MMM can't hold everything off early and that's a good thing, build something else. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:15 Qikz wrote: just getting a single tank and defending it defends blink attacks early on. I don't play anymore but going mech the amount of times I won by just having a tank or two were pretty impressive. Of course if you're not going to ever build anything but MMM and there's a build that can exploit the current meta builds vunerability please be sure to blame balance and not stubborness of the players. Maybe MMM can't hold everything off early and that's a good thing, build something else. So I think alot of people are missing what actually happend this game. Rain went for an economical blink timing. Normally, against 1-base blink you lift your expo into main, get 3-4 bunkers around your main and delay your starport tech (because you can't afford 3 rax'es and bunkers + quick factory/starport). While Dream went for relatively late factory/starport tech, he didn't lift his nat into main. Why? Cus he saw Rain getting an expo behind the blink-pressure, hence he figured that lifting his nat into main would put him behind. But he simply couldn't survive against this timing which hits before medivacs are out and defend locations (nat and main) at the same time. Against a normal 2-base blink pressure build, Dream could turtle on 2 bases with a couple of bunkers and 2 siege Tanks and be fine. However, this wasn't a normal 2base- blink pressure build, but an inbetweenber which caught Dream totally off guard. In my opinion, Dream should have played against this like it was a 1 base blink build and lifted nat into main. To optimize his situations, he could proceed to make these 3 adjustments; 1) Cut bio production a bit 2) Get slightly faster Medis out instead 3) Retake expo when 2 Medis are out He would be able to do this since Rain had less Stalkers than in a normal 1-base blink all in. But overall, we can't blame Dream for not adjusting proplery to this build since he probably doesn't have that much experience against it. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
Two questions arise, are the maps this poorly imbalanced against Terran? Or has Korea figured out that Terran isn't that good right now? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:26 catabowl wrote: So... Nothing but Zergs and Protoss... one terran in the first 2 sets... Two questions arise, are the maps this poorly imbalanced against Terran? Or has Korea figured out that Terran isn't that good right now? many of the good terrans simply aren't on kespa teams e.g. bomber, bogus, taeja, etc | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On December 29 2013 22:58 atrox_ wrote: that TvP was actually disgusting. How can Rain make so many mistakes yet still beat a player that saw what was coming and prepared? And if you're going to reply to this post with a protoss icon don't bother saying "build another bunker" Build another bunker... where 3rd bunker should be on Yeonsu in this case :p Granted blink all-in are hard to hold on this map but they are also very common. Dream saw it coming and I don't see how he did nearly what he could have done to ensure he does not die. That and the delayed warpgate might just have been enough to disturb him and make him underestimate the strength of Rain's timing attack. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:02 opterown wrote: i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers You don't get it, you need to "somehow get 4 Thors" (quoted from a Dreamhack Winter thread in which someone did seriously suggest this). | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:15 Qikz wrote: just getting a single tank and defending it defends blink attacks early on. I don't play anymore but going mech the amount of times I won by just having a tank or two were pretty impressive. Of course if you're not going to ever build anything but MMM and there's a build that can exploit the current meta builds vunerability please be sure to blame balance and not stubborness of the players. Maybe MMM can't hold everything off early and that's a good thing, build something else. So, pro Terran players play bio, bio/tank, mech in TvT, yet they just refuse to play it in TvP, I wonder why? I am not sure why Protoss always use this stubborn argument. It is like when WMs were claimed to be OP'ed, yet all Zergs did was ling bling muta, how is that different from MMM? Why didn't zergs go roach hydra to counter WMs? That is the same reason Terrans don't go mech. And sorry, were your 1 tank builds holding off Rain on Yeonsu? You simply cannot cover all the possible blink in areas with 1 or even 2 tanks unless you sac your natural. And having 2 tank means you have no mauraders and you can't even push out when medivacs are out. So when Protoss sees you have 2 tanks turtleneck on one base. They just laugh, do a soft contain and tech behind it. The problem is the blink build is that it is not all in, if the Protoss doesn't like the setup when they get there with their MSC, they have multiple options. Aggressive builds that have a good chance of doing game ending damage should have have transitions if the opponent reacts correctly. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:41 TheDwf wrote: You don't get it, you need to "somehow get 4 Thors" (quoted from a Dreamhack Winter thread in which someone did seriously suggest this). Hm, good idea. Thank god we can reactor them out of the fact in case of an emergency. Just cancel CS, should be enough money for 4 of them. OT: gogogo SKT T1! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:24 Hider wrote: So I think alot of people are missing what actually happend this game. Rain went for an economical blink timing. Normally, against 1-base blink you lift your expo into main, get 3-4 bunkers around your main and delay your starport tech (because you can't afford 3 rax'es and bunkers + quick factory/starport). While Dream went for relatively late factory/starport tech, he didn't lift his nat into main. Why? Cus he saw Rain getting an expo behind the blink-pressure, hence he figured that lifting his nat into main would put him behind. But he simply couldn't survive against this timing which hits before medivacs are out and defend locations (nat and main) at the same time. Against a normal 2-base blink pressure build, Dream could turtle on 2 bases with a couple of bunkers and 2 siege Tanks and be fine. However, this wasn't a normal 2base- blink pressure build, but an inbetweenber which caught Dream totally off guard. In my opinion, Dream should have played against this like it was a 1 base blink build and lifted nat into main. To optimize his situations, he could proceed to make these 3 adjustments; 1) Cut bio production a bit 2) Get slightly faster Medis out instead 3) Retake expo when 2 Medis are out He would be able to do this since Rain had less Stalkers than in a normal 1-base blink all in. But overall, we can't blame Dream for not adjusting proplery to this build since he probably doesn't have that much experience against it. Ok, so what you are saying is that Ps have an Eco expand build that can force the Terran to give up his natural even if he invests in multiple bunkers. This makes sense how? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:27 vthree wrote: So, pro Terran players play bio, bio/tank, mech in TvT, yet they just refuse to play it in TvP, I wonder why? I am not sure why Protoss always use this stubborn argument. It is like when WMs were claimed to be OP'ed, yet all Zergs did was ling bling muta, how is that different from MMM? Why didn't zergs go roach hydra to counter WMs? That is the same reason Terrans don't go mech. And sorry, were your 1 tank builds holding off Rain on Yeonsu? You simply cannot cover all the possible blink in areas with 1 or even 2 tanks unless you sac your natural. And having 2 tank means you have no mauraders and you can't even push out when medivacs are out. So when Protoss sees you have 2 tanks turtleneck on one base. They just laugh, do a soft contain and tech behind it. The problem is the blink build is that it is not all in, if the Protoss doesn't like the setup when they get there with their MSC, they have multiple options. Aggressive builds that have a good chance of doing game ending damage should have have transitions if the opponent reacts correctly. Eh... the real reason he didn't get a tank out in this game is because Rain went for a quicker blink allin, and thus Dream didn't have factory tech ready when the timing hits. Ok, so what you are saying is that Ps have an Eco expand build that can force the Terran to give up his natural even if he invests in multiple bunkers. This makes sense how? So what I was discussing wasn't related to balance-whining, but simply optimal strategy. If you study the timings with my suggested adjustments, you will notice that Dream only had to be on one-base for a very short-whil before Medis came out. Relative to a "normal 1-base" blink-allin Dream could reclaim his natural faster in this build if he made the suggested adjustments. Taking into account that Dream began mining from his expo faster and has Mules + Rain probably cut probes a bit, Dream would (probably) be a bit ahead once he reclaimed his natural. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:33 Hider wrote: Eh... the real reason he didn't get a tank out in this game is because Rain went for a quicker blink allin, and thus Dream didn't have factory tech ready when the timing hits. It was a delayed 1 base with late expand and Rain messed up his warp gate timing build... | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:36 vthree wrote: It was a delayed 1 base with late expand and Rain messed up his warp gate timing build... Ehh? Yes I know that, and that's my entire point. In the actual game he would almost have time to get a Siege Tank out, but if Rain hadn't forgot it, it would have been absolutely impossible. Thus, he simply had to lift his natural into his main and put the 2 bunkers that were placed in the natural into the main. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:33 Hider wrote: Eh... the real reason he didn't get a tank out in this game is because Rain went for a quicker blink allin, and thus Dream didn't have factory tech ready when the timing hits. So what I was discussing wasn't related to balance-whining, but simply optimal strategy. If you study the timings with my suggested adjustments, you will notice that Dream only had to be on one-base for a very short-whil before Medis came out. Relative to a "normal 1-base" blink-allin Dream could reclaim his natural faster in this build if he made the suggested adjustments. Taking into account that Dream began mining from his expo faster and has Mules + Rain probably cut probes a bit, Dream would (probably) be a bit ahead once he reclaimed his natural. I think you underestimate the time it would take to retake the nature. Dream would have to guess if Rain went back to saturating his natural or kept making stalkers, if Rain kept warping in stalkers, 2 medivacs won't hold it off since he no longer has bunker in the natural. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:41 vthree wrote: I think you underestimate the time it would take to retake the nature. Dream would have to guess if Rain went back to saturating his natural or kept making stalkers, if Rain kept warping in stalkers, 2 medivacs won't hold it off since he no longer has bunker in the natural. No. In that type of situation you can always retake your expansion once you have 2 medi's out (since he knows Rain invested ressources into a Nexus). As a general rule; when bio units can afford to stim against blink stalkers --> your safe. This is ofccourse assuming Rain hasn't engaged him (which he can't/wouldn't if Dream lifted his expansion in the main) --> his medis would have full HP. In terms of balance, the problem in TvP isn't that builds like this can't be beat. The problem is that protoss has 100 different builds with 100 different variations. And against each build terran has so many ways to lose and always needs to rely on "lucky scouts". If terran reacts perfectly, then the downside as a protoss player is very limited. For instance I believe if Dream had reacted as I suggested, Rain would probably just be 45-55 behind. Given all the ways for Dream to lose that game, that's an absurd risk/reward. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
Even if he saw a Robo coming down he still couldn't salvage bunkers as the blink stalkers still can do too much damage by poking at bio units without medivacs. Had he not wasted that scan, he could have afforded an additional bunker or faster medivacs. So bascially the loss in that game came down to Dream being very unfamilar with the blink stalker variation shown by Rain. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:46 Hider wrote: No. In that type of situation you can always retake your expansion once you have 2 medi's out (since he knows Rain invested ressources into a Nexus). This is ofccourse assuming Rain hasn't engaged him (which he can't/wouldn't if Dream lifted his expansion in the main) --> his medis would have full HP. In terms of balance, the problem in TvP isn't that builds like this can't be beat. The problem is that protoss has 100 different builds with 100 different variations. And against each build terran has so many ways to lose and always needs to rely on "lucky scouts". If terran reacts perfectly, then the downside as a protoss player is very limited. For instance I believe if Dream had reacted as I suggested he would probably just be 45-55 behind. Given all the ways for Dream to lose that game, that's an absurd risk/reward. I would argue that if Rain did not start making probes with the second nexus, he could have enough stalker a to take on 2 medivacs with no bunkers and time warp on the ramp. Of course, if Dream had perfect information or get 'lucky', he can hold it off. But like you said, the risk/reward is just absurd given that it was a delay expand build. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:49 Hider wrote: Another "mistake" by Dream last game was that he invested into a scan shortly before Rain attacked him, yet he didn't utilisie the information in anyway. He saw no addiitonal infastructures were being build by Rain, and still didn't lift natural into main. Even if he saw a Robo coming down he still couldn't salvage bunkers as the blink stalkers still can do too much damage by poking at bio units without medivacs. Had he not wasted that scan, he could have afforded an additional bunker or faster medivacs. So bascially the loss in that game came down to Dream being very unfamilar with the blink stalker variation shown by Rain. He scanned because Rain missed his timing and he was wondering why he wasn't. It wasn't a variation, Rain just messed up. I think it would have been too late to put up bunkers after he scanned. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
I would argue that if Rain did not start making probes with the second nexus, he could have enough stalker a to take on 2 medivacs with no bunkers and time warp on the ramp. What are you basing this off? Against a 1 base blink-all in I can (from my experience) always straight up beats blink stalkers with bio + 4 Medis. In the case where the protoss player has 2-3 less stalkers, it seems logical to assume that you only need 2 medviacs to break out. This is ofc. assuming that your maurauder/marine ratio is pretty high (e.g. you have 2 tech labs and 1 barrack without any addons) He scanned because Rain missed his timing and he was wondering why he wasn't. It wasn't a variation, Rain just messed up. I think it would have been too late to put up bunkers after he scanned. Yeh I expected this response, because it is a typical reason for scanning "I am confused what is happening now?" But in reality, its not logical to think like that. You should only scan, if your planning to change the way you play depending on your information. At the time Dream scanned, he wasn't gonna change anything really, and thus it was just a poor decision of him to scan. All this simply comes down to him being in an unfamiliar situation, where he didn't have time to figure out the optimal response. So I feel that Rain deserves some more credit for making developing this type of build. Wouldn't surprise me if he perhaps had studied Dream and knew he likely was gonna react the wrong way. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:57 Hider wrote: What are you basing this off? Against a 1 base blink-all in I can (from my experience) always straight up beats blink stalkers with bio + 4 Medis. In the case where the protoss player has 2-3 less stalkers, it seems logical to assume that you only need 2 medviacs to break out. This is ofc. assuming that your maurauder/marine ratio is pretty high (e.g. you have 2 tech labs and 1 barrack without any addons) Yeh I expected this response, because it is a typical reason for scanning "I am confused what is happening now?" But in reality, its not logical to think like that. You should only scan, if your planning to change the way you play depending on your information. At the time Dream scanned, he wasn't gonna change anything really, and thus it was just a poor decision of him to scan. All this simply comes down to him being in an unfamiliar situation, where he didn't have time to figure out the optimal response. So I feel that Rain deserves some more credit for making developing this type of build. Wouldn't surprise me if he perhaps had studied Dream and knew he likely was gonna react the wrong way. I am basing it on how blink stalkers work vs medivac bio. Because of the way blink works, the damage/hp is shared and stalkers that don't die is still giving full DPS. So against blink stalkers, it is about keeping up your DPS (ie. marines and marauders not dying). Yes, 4 medivacs will work, but with 2, you have 1/2 the healing and your marines are still dying too quick vs 15% DPS lost from the 2-3 stalkers. Once you lose your first 4-5 marines without forcing most of the stalkers low, it just snowballs. The scan was done so Dream could confirm if Rain was continuing his all in or going into other tech. When he didn't see additional tech, he kept making bio and started another bunker on the low ground. Maybe you do not agree with his response, but it was really a confusing action, he just did see the attack he expected at his timing and he had to see if he needed to keep building army or go more eco to match Rain. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 30 2013 01:23 vthree wrote: I am basing it on how blink stalkers work vs medivac bio. Because of the way blink works, the damage/hp is shared and stalkers that don't die is still giving full DPS. So against blink stalkers, it is about keeping up your DPS (ie. marines and marauders not dying). Yes, 4 medivacs will work, but with 2, you have 1/2 the healing and your marines are still dying too quick vs 15% DPS lost from the 2-3 stalkers. Once you lose your first 4-5 marines without forcing most of the stalkers low, it just snowballs. The scan was done so Dream could confirm if Rain was continuing his all in or going into other tech. When he didn't see additional tech, he kept making bio and started another bunker on the low ground. Maybe you do not agree with his response, but it was really a confusing action, he just did see the attack he expected at his timing and he had to see if he needed to keep building army or go more eco to match Rain. Yeah, the scan was not illogical at all considering Rain didn't hit at the standard timing; funnily enough, Rain was somewhat rewarded for his blunder (forgetting Warpgate) here. What lost the game for Dream was not pulling SCVs to shield his bio in his main. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
The scan was done so Dream could confirm if Rain was continuing his all in or going into other tech. When he didn't see additional tech, he kept making bio and started another bunker on the low ground. But scanning and making one additional bunker doesn't make sense (if that's your only adjustment). Why? Because its cheaper to not scan (and mule instead) and make one additional bunker anyway. What do you mean going into other tech? What exactly is he changing? He was going factory tech anyway at the same timing. All the scan did was that he had to cut bio production marginally + he could afford fewer bunkers after having wasted the scan. he kept making bio As a outlined above, you are going to do the actual opposite after having wasted a scan. In order to afford factory tech and bunkers you have to cut bio production a bit after having wasted that scan. So note that he is going to have less army stuff, not more after that scan. to keep building army or go more eco to match Rain Going more econ? The only real thing he could have done here was to add a 3rd, but there is no way he was going to do that before adding factories anyway. For instance 3 rax --> 3rd --> before factory is just a terrible build regardless of what the protoss is doing. So if your going to reply - Be specific. What exactly would he have changed depending on what he would see. (btw we know he would never ever see a Dark Shrine with that scan since Rain wouldn't place it in that obvious of a position). Yeah, the scan was not illogical at all considering Rain didn't hit at the standard timing; funnily enough, I already noted it in my previous posts, so you should be aware that I have taking this into account. It only helps to explain the reason why he scanned (he was a human being that was confused, and humans makes errors in unfamiliar situations). But that doesn't make it a logical decision. The point still stands - What is he actually gonna do differently after scanning and is that worth the opportunity cost? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 30 2013 02:16 Hider wrote: This is, however, irrelevant (and I already noted it in my previous posts, so you should be aware that I have taking this into account. The point still stands - What is he actually gonna do differently after scanning and is that worth the opportunity cost? Had he spotted some tech transition (forge/archives or forge/robobay, or even dual forge + another tech building), he could have salvaged part of or all his Bunkers, resumed full SCV production instead of producing units with short hiccups regarding workers, favor Marine production over Marauders to add extra rax or a third CC, etc. Inversely, had he scouted extra gates (Protoss can go up to 7), he could have remained on the defensive. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
On December 30 2013 02:28 TheDwf wrote: Had he spotted some tech transition (forge/archives or forge/robobay, or even dual forge + another tech building), he could have salvaged part of or all his Bunkers, resumed full SCV production instead of producing units with short hiccups regarding workers, favor Marine production over Marauders to add extra rax or a third CC, etc. Inversely, had he scouted extra gates (Protoss can go up to 7), he could have remained on the defensive. - He can't afford 4+ raxes at that point anyway. - If he scanned some type of tech, he would indeed be able to salvage a bunker. But only the one at his natural. If there were no bunkersm blink stalkers would then can poke at the bio units too efficiently. - How valuable is constant scv production (compared to semi-constant) relative to muling? In this situation he wasn't getting a quick 3rd anyway, and if you go 3-rax + starport tech you are always gonna be a bit oversaturated on 2 bases anyway which makes the value of constant scv production less significant. - How valuable is a slightly higher Marine/Maurauder ratio in this situation. Even if Rain isn't commiting, he still has a decent amount of Blink Stalkers. Compare this to the situation where he A) doesn't scan and B) Doesn't salvage the Bunker in the natural, C) Uses the additional ressources on extra bio units. - He was always going to be in the defense, regardless of the scan untill Medis are out (possible exception is extreme cases where he scouts 3 tech buildings or more, but that's quite unlikely). So I assume your talking about building additional bunkers. Yet, the problem is that at that point in time you don't really have excess ressources (after scanning) to afford mass bunkers and medivas with constant bio production. I think the trade-off your thinking about is something that comes 2 minutes later (or so) at the point where he has to consider whether to get a 3rd, 4+raxes (before 3rd) or get additional bunkers (against a 7-gate). But at the time he scanned, he wasn't gona change his infastructure setup in any significant way really (besides salvaging one bunker). | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
Nevertheless this shows the problem of relying on this type of scan. Like let's go through the options; * Rain adds like 3+ extra gates in main and Dream scouts it --> Dream gets additional bunkers. In this scenario Rain may chose to cancel them, and take a 3rd --> Rain gets a lot ahead. * Rain adds 3+ gates in the natural, Dream doesn't scout this since he scans natural --> Dream gets ebay and just dies to the 6-7 gate timing. * He scouts Robo tech and/or forge. He can choose to salvage one bunker, and produce scv's constantly. But he still can't afford a 3rd for the time being anyway and has less stuff out compared to the case where he doens't scout. * Rain does a delayed timing --> Perhaps Dream could have held it off better if he pulled scv's asap, but he would almost always end up behind. Regardless, your always better off by not scanning. The only situation where he is better off (relative to not scanning) is when Rain gets additional gateways in the Main and chooses to commit to the attack, rather than cancel them. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
was it to save money or something? or do they think this faster format instead of 6 + ace is better? | ||
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Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:57 Hider wrote: What are you basing this off? Against a 1 base blink-all in I can (from my experience) always straight up beats blink stalkers with bio + 4 Medis. In the case where the protoss player has 2-3 less stalkers, it seems logical to assume that you only need 2 medviacs to break out. This is ofc. assuming that your maurauder/marine ratio is pretty high (e.g. you have 2 tech labs and 1 barrack without any addons) Yeh I expected this response, because it is a typical reason for scanning "I am confused what is happening now?" But in reality, its not logical to think like that. You should only scan, if your planning to change the way you play depending on your information. At the time Dream scanned, he wasn't gonna change anything really, and thus it was just a poor decision of him to scan. All this simply comes down to him being in an unfamiliar situation, where he didn't have time to figure out the optimal response. So I feel that Rain deserves some more credit for making developing this type of build. Wouldn't surprise me if he perhaps had studied Dream and knew he likely was gonna react the wrong way. Actually, 'I am confused what is happening now' is the perfect reason to scan IMO. For example, what if Rain had only made 2-3 stalkers and cancelled blink after his build got scouted and went pure eco double forge HT or DT? Especially if Dream had lifted into his main as you suggested, this would have been a perfectly viable transition and if Dream had continued playing defensively and delaying upgrades would have put him significantly behind. In fact, a transition into DT would have likely done significant damage to Dream as well in this situation. Otherwise I agree with a lot of the things you've said. If Terran knows exactly what's happening, they can react to it and defend it okay (but not necessarily be ahead IMO), but every variation of every build requires a different response so Terran has to know like 100 counter builds to what Protoss can do in the early game if they want to macro... which they're forced into doing, because any sort of Terran all-in working relies on Protoss doing something non-standard. Meanwhile Protoss has a (couple) safe macro builds which can get you to the ~9:00 minute mark without any reaction to what your opponent is doing as long as you used what the build gets effectively, and you can even be reasonably sure you're even or ahead afterwards vs even the greediest Terran builds. Edit: I'm not really sure how Dream was realistically supposed to defend this without maphacks, Rain's building placement ensured that in order for Dream to scout the tech he had to lose the reaper (or spend a scan that early which isn't really an option), and therefore Dream had no way to know what Rain was doing after Dream scouted his tech. Add into that the fact that Rain's attack was significantly delayed due to the late warp gate, and Dream was left completely in the dark and had to just guess at what was happening. IIRC Dream didn't even see the natural Nexus go down. | ||
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Germany17651 Posts
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United States973 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:48 illidanx wrote: lol, the $5 subscription from last year is still active. No need to pay again :D Same here, best five dollars I've ever spent. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9345 Posts
Actually, 'I am confused what is happening now' is the perfect reason to scan IMO. For example, what if Rain had only made 2-3 stalkers and cancelled blink after his build got scouted and went pure eco double forge HT or DT? Especially if Dream had lifted into his main as you suggested, this would have been a perfectly viable transition and if Dream had continued playing defensively and delaying upgrades would have put him significantly behind. In fact, a transition into DT would have likely done significant damage to Dream as well in this situation. Cancelling blink? No that never ever happens since you still can do damage with your blink Stalkers. So cancelling it after investing into all the tech is just dumb. In the case where Rain goes for Greed, its actually a lot more likely that he is getting a fast 3rd, and the scan doesn't help him in anyway about that. Also I believe it is super unlikely that Dream will ever scout 3+ infastructures. Rain is smart enough not to put infastrtucture that has so much valueable information in an obvious scan location. In the more realistic case where he scans a forge and a robo he still can't move out before Medis are out, so in that case, the scan is premature. So really he should have lifted natural into main. Not scanned (but perhaps kept an scv out on the map). Waited for 2 Medi's --> then push out, or altenratively he could scan before pushing out (a later scan contains a lot more valuable information than this scan which was just premature). Edit: I'm not really sure how Dream was realistically supposed to defend this without maphacks, Rain's building placement ensured that in order for Dream to scout the tech he had to lose the reaper (or spend a scan that early which isn't really an option), and therefore Dream had no way to know what Rain was doing after Dream scouted his tech. Add into that the fact that Rain's attack was significantly delayed due to the late warp gate, and Dream was left completely in the dark and had to just guess at what was happening. IIRC Dream didn't even see the natural Nexus go down. I already laid that out? 1) Lift expo into main. 2) Cut bio produciton a bit 3) Get faster Medis out 4) Reclaim expo when 2 medis are out. Perhaps delay salvaing bunkers untill you get a feeling for whether Rain still is at <25 probes when you attempt to reclaim the natural. The reason he didn't do this is because it isn't particualrly intutive to expect that you have to play 1base for a while against a 2-base protoss. But due to Mothership Core (thanks blizzard), that's simply the nature of the new TvP. But I think when you add up the math, this approach is pretty solid against everything Rain can throw at you (after the opening phase). | ||
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United States1089 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 30 2013 03:35 mikumegurine wrote: anyone know what the explanation for lowering the # of games to only 4 + ace were? was it to save money or something? or do they think this faster format instead of 6 + ace is better? Several reasons which they addressed in the format thread and the KeSPA president made mention to it as well. It had to do with restructuring of teams to try and make them sustainable while bringing in the new guys as well. They're trying to squeeze everything in and they want to make sure everyone can compete. It's their new budgeting of the production blah, blah, blah. It had to be done. On December 30 2013 10:30 9-BiT wrote: So now Protoss has the advantage early mid and lategame, with Terran only having a real advantage endgame. Nice. Errr I bet you some people would say Protoss have a good advantage late game as well. | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On December 30 2013 10:30 9-BiT wrote: So now Protoss has the advantage early mid and lategame, with Terran only having a real advantage endgame. Nice. Protoss has always had the advantage before the medivacs are out and stim is done since Wings of Liberty. The terran expanded way before Protoss, invests in bunkers, engineering bay and +1, and concussive shells and stim and reactor starport. He stops unit production especially marauder production for a quite a while to get that bay ,+1 attack and reactor starport. None of that paid off....that's so much wasted resources on tech and structures and too little on actual units. He knows the Protoss invested a lot in gateways and his expansion is delayed. Why doesn't he just play more conservatively? Terran doesn't need to get their +1 faster than Protoss. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 30 2013 04:37 Pursuit_ wrote: Actually, 'I am confused what is happening now' is the perfect reason to scan IMO. For example, what if Rain had only made 2-3 stalkers and cancelled blink after his build got scouted and went pure eco double forge HT or DT? Especially if Dream had lifted into his main as you suggested, this would have been a perfectly viable transition and if Dream had continued playing defensively and delaying upgrades would have put him significantly behind. In fact, a transition into DT would have likely done significant damage to Dream as well in this situation. Otherwise I agree with a lot of the things you've said. If Terran knows exactly what's happening, they can react to it and defend it okay (but not necessarily be ahead IMO), but every variation of every build requires a different response so Terran has to know like 100 counter builds to what Protoss can do in the early game if they want to macro... which they're forced into doing, because any sort of Terran all-in working relies on Protoss doing something non-standard. Meanwhile Protoss has a (couple) safe macro builds which can get you to the ~9:00 minute mark without any reaction to what your opponent is doing as long as you used what the build gets effectively, and you can even be reasonably sure you're even or ahead afterwards vs even the greediest Terran builds. Edit: I'm not really sure how Dream was realistically supposed to defend this without maphacks, Rain's building placement ensured that in order for Dream to scout the tech he had to lose the reaper (or spend a scan that early which isn't really an option), and therefore Dream had no way to know what Rain was doing after Dream scouted his tech. Add into that the fact that Rain's attack was significantly delayed due to the late warp gate, and Dream was left completely in the dark and had to just guess at what was happening. IIRC Dream didn't even see the natural Nexus go down. You don't necessarily have to scout out the entire infrastructure with scans, but instead you can get valuable information by counting the probes and where Rain uses his chrono boosts on. He could also have made a couple of widow mines and place them on the ledge where mothership core was hovering around. All I'm saying is that I think it's too early to call any map imba. Give more time to the players and let them figure it out. | ||
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