EPT[Hot6ix Cup] Grand-Finals - Page 30
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Fjodorov
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:28 opterown wrote: Poll: Recommend Rain vs. Soulkey Game 4? ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12) ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3) ★★★ - Good game (3) ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1) ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rain vs. Soulkey Game 4? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:29 Schelim wrote: Soulkhan played that really well. Raynor tried his best but at the end Whirlpool is just too zerg-favored. also great casting by Airtoss and Breathless. Did you lose a bet or something? :D | ||
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ottosec
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
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Germany4057 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:29 FuRong wrote: Soulkey really needs to expand more aggressively in the midgame. He did enough to win there, but if his army had been caught out of position then he was dead, because he wouldn't have enough gas to rebuild. Would it really kill him to throw up an extra three or four hatcheries around the map when he's floating 2k minerals? maybe thats his strength. with more hatcheries you temp to defend those when attacked and this might end in a bad fight with your main army. without those hatcheries he focuses on good engagements | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:29 RKC wrote: Wow. I thought Rain had the perfect army composition. SK's army control and micro was better, I guess. Fungaled all the HT's so his corruptors could engage. Definitely just better control on SK's part. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:31 ArTiFaKs wrote: Lol ya SoulKey is so good he can turtle with Free Units and beat Protoss who is constantly having to remake tier 3 units. How on earth is Protoss supposed to win in that situation? You're contained automatically, so zerg can just build up economy to remax in seconds, and never has to remake units because of the constant free units spawning. Meanwhile Protoss needs Colossus Storm, High templars, Tempest, Void Ray and like 5 bases to even keep up, so good luck defending all those areas while trying to counter attack and survive against the constant pressure from the swarmhost/broodlord/corruptor/infestor combo. Late game PvZ is a joke and if it wasn't so damn boring everyone would be doing this. You could, you know, not get all your HTs' fungaled at once, and do more warp ins to abuse the immobility of that composition. Both those compositions the Protoss and the Zerg ones are incredibly strong but they aren't unbeatable. | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:31 ArTiFaKs wrote: Lol ya SoulKey is so good he can turtle with Free Units and beat Protoss who is constantly having to remake tier 3 units. How on earth is Protoss supposed to win in that situation? You're contained automatically, so zerg can just build up economy to remax in seconds, and never has to remake units because of the constant free units spawning. Meanwhile Protoss needs Colossus Storm, High templars, Tempest, Void Ray and like 5 bases to even keep up, so good luck defending all those areas while trying to counter attack and survive against the constant pressure from the swarmhost/broodlord/corruptor/infestor combo. Late game PvZ is a joke and if it wasn't so damn boring everyone would be doing this. Thanks for your input, bronzie | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:31 ArTiFaKs wrote: Lol ya SoulKey is so good he can turtle with Free Units and beat Protoss who is constantly having to remake tier 3 units. How on earth is Protoss supposed to win in that situation? You're contained automatically, so zerg can just build up economy to remax in seconds, and never has to remake units because of the constant free units spawning. Meanwhile Protoss needs Colossus Storm, High templars, Tempest, Void Ray and like 5 bases to even keep up, so good luck defending all those areas while trying to counter attack and survive against the constant pressure from the swarmhost/broodlord/corruptor/infestor combo. Late game PvZ is a joke and if it wasn't so damn boring everyone would be doing this. A good start is not to get all your HT to fungal. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:31 LimitSEA wrote: Fungaled all the HT's so his corruptors could engage. Definitely just better control on SK's part. It didn't matter at that point, with swarmhosts and broodlords the Zerg's economy is so good it can just remake all those units easily, free units tend to make any engagement cost efficient especially going against Tier 3 Protoss Units that cost 300min 250 gas each, along with High Templars + Storm. Void Ray, Colossus, Phoenix, Tempest. It's ridiculous. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:33 DJHelium wrote: A good start is not to get all your HT to fungal. That just ended the game faster, Rain had a really low chance of winning that game. He really should be all-ining more. | ||
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Maloreon
United States911 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:31 75 wrote: maybe thats his strength. with more hatcheries you temp to defend those when attacked and this might end in a bad fight with your main army. without those hatcheries he focuses on good engagements He also ended up using the vast majority of those minerals by end game to create roaches and spines and such. I agree, I think he doesn't get greedy with 7 bases cause he knows Rain will just warp in and kill them. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:33 DJHelium wrote: A good start is not to get all your HT to fungal. Obviously but it doesn't even matter, Zerg can just remake everything because of the cost effectiveness of FREE UNITS against Tier 3 units. It's impossible to come out ahead for the Protoss. And ya "more warp-ins to abuse the immobility" ok you try defending against that composition while at the same time saving warp-ins and units to counter-attack? Good luck buddy. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:34 ArTiFaKs wrote: It didn't matter at that point, with swarmhosts and broodlords the Zerg's economy is so good it can just remake all those units easily, free units tend to make any engagement cost efficient especially going against Tier 3 Protoss Units that cost 300min 250 gas each, along with High Templars + Storm. Void Ray, Colossus, Phoenix, Tempest. It's ridiculous. did you see how tempest/voidray/storm was eating through those corruptors? massing corruptors is expensive. Had he still had those 5-6 HT with storm SK couldnt have just forced his way in with his corruptors. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 08 2013 19:34 Maloreon wrote: He also ended up using the vast majority of those minerals by end game to create roaches and spines and such. I agree, I think he doesn't get greedy with 7 bases cause he knows Rain will just warp in and kill them. Also you don't really gain anything from more than 4 bases. Maybe gas income from extractor #9-10 but not worth it imo. | ||
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