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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
November 30 2013 23:00 GMT
#4401
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?


As long as TvT is bio tank, (at least on the part of one player), definitely agree.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
November 30 2013 23:00 GMT
#4402
pvp is better than zvz
zvz is stale
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:01:23
November 30 2013 23:00 GMT
#4403
On December 01 2013 07:59 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:58 Swiipii wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:56 sharkie wrote:
Arent the counter attacks actually losing the game for Life?

Taeja keeps waiting for him to counter attack

Life is counter attacking at the exact moment Taeja's army is out off position but Taeja is always spot on on the defence.


All I see is Taeja baiting him. Taeja keeps going out with small armies which dont get destroyed because Life doesnt defend with all his units.

Life only wastes units with countering.

Do you realize taeja had better upgrades all game long ?
On December 01 2013 08:00 DMXD wrote:
pvp is better than zvz
zvz is stale

Better stale than a joke :p
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 30 2013 23:00 GMT
#4404
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

I prefer TvP over ZvP, else yeah looks right.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4405
On December 01 2013 08:00 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:59 sharkie wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:58 Swiipii wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:56 sharkie wrote:
Arent the counter attacks actually losing the game for Life?

Taeja keeps waiting for him to counter attack

Life is counter attacking at the exact moment Taeja's army is out off position but Taeja is always spot on on the defence.


All I see is Taeja baiting him. Taeja keeps going out with small armies which dont get destroyed because Life doesnt defend with all his units.

Life only wastes units with countering.

Do you realize taeja had better upgrades all game long ?


My point applies to game one too.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4406
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

PvP > ZvZ tbh
SooYoung-Noona!
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:06:20
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4407
playing a standard zvt (at the top level) where you stay at 2/2 and eventually just die to 3/3 marine mine is not a good game-plan. Needs hive or burrowed banes or big damage at 2/2 before terran has 2/2. Easier said than done I know, but damn is that frustrating to watch over and over again.

Also, life stops creep spreading once the crazy mid-game starts, which kinda kills him. It's super hard, but restarting creep spread against a terran that's cleaning it up is absolutely necessary.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4408
On December 01 2013 07:59 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:57 Wintex wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:54 Greendotz wrote:
Life was behind on upgrades for the entirety of that game, insane that he hung in that long.


Hots mutas.
As soon as Life lost them on it was over in 2 minutes.

Believe me. Any other player would have lost that game 10 min earlier or so.

yes but if you play against life like he is any other zerg you lose. go ask innovation.

Playing as if you are playing against Life makes you an immovable object if you play vs anyone else, though.
The Bomber boy
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4409
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

TvP over PvZ. Remember games like Dear vs Maru on Frost? It can be an insanely exciting matchup.
QO Feasting
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4410
On December 01 2013 08:00 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

I prefer TvP over ZvP, else yeah looks right.


As far as I'm concerned, if a Terran is playing it will be a great series whatever opponents race but if it's Protoss vs Anything, it's likely to be shit.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
November 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#4411
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

i think tvp and zvp are on the same spot .. tvp produces the most nailbitting shit at times whenever we it doesnt involve in all-ins from toss ...

like

that long macro game taeja vs rain on whirlwind
or flash vs parting on akilon waste
this is a quote
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 30 2013 23:02 GMT
#4412
On December 01 2013 08:01 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:59 Hryul wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:57 Wintex wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:54 Greendotz wrote:
Life was behind on upgrades for the entirety of that game, insane that he hung in that long.


Hots mutas.
As soon as Life lost them on it was over in 2 minutes.

Believe me. Any other player would have lost that game 10 min earlier or so.

yes but if you play against life like he is any other zerg you lose. go ask innovation.

Playing as if you are playing against Life makes you an immovable object if you play vs anyone else, though.

so TvLife is now a new matchup. quite a feat!
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2013 23:02 GMT
#4413
Life perfectly countering what Taeja is trying.

Looking gooooooood but not getting too excited yet
Hello
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 30 2013 23:02 GMT
#4414
On December 01 2013 08:01 Dinotramp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:00 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

I prefer TvP over ZvP, else yeah looks right.


As far as I'm concerned, if a Terran is playing it will be a great series whatever opponents race but if it's Protoss vs Anything, it's likely to be shit.

Same opinion man, hopefully LotV will change that. Not thinking it will, though.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 30 2013 23:03 GMT
#4415
On December 01 2013 08:01 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

i think tvp and zvp are on the same spot .. tvp produces the most nailbitting shit at times whenever we it doesnt involve in all-ins from toss ...

like

that long macro game taeja vs rain on whirlwind
or flash vs parting on akilon waste


Slight problem there, "When it isn't all-ins" All in for toss is like 95% of the time.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:03:50
November 30 2013 23:03 GMT
#4416
Queens and MSCs dostroying early pressure for too long now
Davkaus
Profile Joined October 2013
United Kingdom368 Posts
November 30 2013 23:03 GMT
#4417
Random face shots. Thanks Dreamhack.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
November 30 2013 23:04 GMT
#4418
On December 01 2013 07:58 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:56 HammerKick wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:55 myminerals wrote:
Why didn't Life try burrowing banes?


Everyone's asking themselves this question, wow.

Burrowed banelings aren't a game changer everytime, especially if you're again someone who hates everything that's stealth and who has scaaaaaaaaans.

Point is that they don't take too much effort to set and is pretty cheap to upgrade burrow and burrow 6 Banelings all over the map. They don't have to be the game changer, but you will probably kill more units with them than just suiciding 20 Banelings into Bio Blob that is controlled by Taeja.

When you're injecting, extending creep, counter attacking on one/sometimes two fronts, microing your mutalisks and your main army you don't have much room to set up baneling traps. Especially against Taeja who is always contesting those precious Xel Naga's watchtowers.
GaribaldiSC2
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain709 Posts
November 30 2013 23:04 GMT
#4419
On December 01 2013 08:01 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

i think tvp and zvp are on the same spot .. tvp produces the most nailbitting shit at times whenever we it doesnt involve in all-ins from toss ...

like

that long macro game taeja vs rain on whirlwind
or flash vs parting on akilon waste


Innovation vs Parting in Whrilwind was insanely good too
Noc-
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland850 Posts
November 30 2013 23:04 GMT
#4420
CMON Life win this series quick!

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