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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 23 2013 18:44 GMT
#301
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.

Creep doesn't die.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
November 23 2013 18:45 GMT
#302
On November 24 2013 03:44 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.

Creep doesn't die.


Ok, cool.
vjcamarena
Profile Joined October 2013
Spain493 Posts
November 23 2013 18:45 GMT
#303
Why's everyone so negative on this map? We really don't have enough games to call it imbalanced. Golden decided to take the gold base, as I understand it the standard should be taking the farther ones, right?

Interesting that the shorter push distance led to bomber trying to control the strech between the thirds with tanks+mines.
Mvp and ForGG! - Vortix FTW - Never forget Lucifron
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 23 2013 18:45 GMT
#304
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


You're not forced to take the golden base and put yourself close to the opponent. And if you do, maybe use the income for defense instead of wasting a thousand zerglings in very bad counterattacks.
TerranMan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States114 Posts
November 23 2013 18:46 GMT
#305
Poll: Recommend game 2 Bomber VS Golden

No (5)
 
56%

Yes (3)
 
33%

If you have free time (1)
 
11%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 2 Bomber VS Golden

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have free time


Terran
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 23 2013 18:46 GMT
#306
On November 24 2013 03:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.

Okay we get it, you don't like new maps. Hush.

you tell em plexa
Moderatorlickypiddy
vjcamarena
Profile Joined October 2013
Spain493 Posts
November 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#307
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.


Apart from the fact that the mapmakers surely tested the maps extensively, they actually hosted a Redbull-sponsored tournament with pros to test the maps. Not liking a map doesn't mean it wasn't tested.
Mvp and ForGG! - Vortix FTW - Never forget Lucifron
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#308
pushing distance and the fact that third is goldbase make it favorable to terran imo. Still fun to see new maps and hopefully the players and figure out ways to make them work.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
November 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#309
On November 24 2013 03:45 vjcamarena wrote:
Why's everyone so negative on this map? We really don't have enough games to call it imbalanced. Golden decided to take the gold base, as I understand it the standard should be taking the farther ones, right?

Interesting that the shorter push distance led to bomber trying to control the strech between the thirds with tanks+mines.


This is true. If Golden took the standard bases he would have been muuuch farther away from Bomber. They both took gold bases which are super close to each other. Honestly, I feel the Gold base is a trap for zerg players.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#310
Off topic here, any idea what month WCS Starts again?
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#311
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.


It would be nice if pros would actually play our maps and test for us.

And creep tumours go explodey
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 23 2013 18:48 GMT
#312
On November 24 2013 03:47 neobowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.


It would be nice if pros would actually play our maps and test for us.

And creep tumours go explodey

They went explodey in TLMC, but we patched it.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 23 2013 18:49 GMT
#313
"It turns out" NOOO! Since when!?!?!
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 23 2013 18:49 GMT
#314
On November 24 2013 03:47 vjcamarena wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.


Apart from the fact that the mapmakers surely tested the maps extensively, they actually hosted a Redbull-sponsored tournament with pros to test the maps. Not liking a map doesn't mean it wasn't tested.


The only problem with the testing is that the fans voted in maps afterwards, not players or strategists. Sooooo, sorta skewed the votes a bit in favour of the more fun maps. Not a bad thing but won't lead to the most balanced maps.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
November 23 2013 18:49 GMT
#315
On November 24 2013 03:45 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


You're not forced to take the golden base and put yourself close to the opponent. And if you do, maybe use the income for defense instead of wasting a thousand zerglings in very bad counterattacks.

I'm not saying Golden should have won, Bomber was better and that's fine. I'm just confused why any serious tournament would use maps that would have been shunned like the plague in early 2012.

And giving a terran a gold third that close to the zerg is like giving him a free win. I'm just disappointed, this is not a joke, these guys are playing for money and to support themselves, they deserve to have their competition treated seriously.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
November 23 2013 18:49 GMT
#316
Lol, Bomber gave him 1% chance of winning :D
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 23 2013 18:49 GMT
#317
On November 24 2013 03:48 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:47 neobowman wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:44 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


Yes, such maps should be tested in casual games before they can be used in actual tournaments. That goes for the first map as well... Not sure what happens with creep on the low ground when lava rises.


It would be nice if pros would actually play our maps and test for us.

And creep tumours go explodey

They went explodey in TLMC, but we patched it.

But I thought you liked the dynamic it brought with the overlords D:
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 23 2013 18:50 GMT
#318
On November 24 2013 03:47 SidianTheBard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:45 vjcamarena wrote:
Why's everyone so negative on this map? We really don't have enough games to call it imbalanced. Golden decided to take the gold base, as I understand it the standard should be taking the farther ones, right?

Interesting that the shorter push distance led to bomber trying to control the strech between the thirds with tanks+mines.


This is true. If Golden took the standard bases he would have been muuuch farther away from Bomber. They both took gold bases which are super close to each other. Honestly, I feel the Gold base is a trap for zerg players.


yeah but taking a normal base while you know your terran opponent is mining from gold isnt a very pleasant feeling ^^
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 23 2013 18:50 GMT
#319
On November 24 2013 03:49 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:45 Big J wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:42 Squat wrote:
Seriously, a map with gold bases and a layout that puts the thirds within spitting distance? Who made these maps? How is zerg supposed to do anything on these maps? I'm usually not this negative about stuff but this is fucking stupid.


You're not forced to take the golden base and put yourself close to the opponent. And if you do, maybe use the income for defense instead of wasting a thousand zerglings in very bad counterattacks.

I'm not saying Golden should have won, Bomber was better and that's fine. I'm just confused why any serious tournament would use maps that would have been shunned like the plague in early 2012.

And giving a terran a gold third that close to the zerg is like giving him a free win. I'm just disappointed, this is not a joke, these guys are playing for money and to support themselves, they deserve to have their competition treated seriously.

A serious tournament used a map that had neutral creep tumors at the thirds, plus rocks blocking every path to everywhere.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 18:51:21
November 23 2013 18:50 GMT
#320
On November 24 2013 03:47 SidianTheBard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 03:45 vjcamarena wrote:
Why's everyone so negative on this map? We really don't have enough games to call it imbalanced. Golden decided to take the gold base, as I understand it the standard should be taking the farther ones, right?

Interesting that the shorter push distance led to bomber trying to control the strech between the thirds with tanks+mines.


This is true. If Golden took the standard bases he would have been muuuch farther away from Bomber. They both took gold bases which are super close to each other. Honestly, I feel the Gold base is a trap for zerg players.

So, take the gold and die because of the short pushing distance.

Or don't take the gold and die because you're behind in economy.
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