• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:12
CEST 18:12
KST 01:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7536 users

[Red Bull Battle Grounds] New York Day 1 - Page 122

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 Next
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
November 24 2013 02:34 GMT
#2421
On November 24 2013 11:32 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:29 Sub40APM wrote:
zerg doesnt really have a good anti air unit. Corrupters are the worse. Queens with tranfuse can work if the number of VR is less than 10+ but once there is a mass of VR, only if you perpemantly chain fungal them out of range of anything and the toss doesnt just feedback/storm you to death.

I'd like to see another anti-air unit for zerg. I wouldn't mind if corrupter was re-designed so it's more flashy/less boring?

I had some dream where Corruptors could morph into stronger Scourge which tank better yet can suicide and deal some good damage, possibly with splash. Of course, this presents numerous problems and requires plenty of balancing if it were to ever be considered, but alas, I can always dream for stronger sky Banelings.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
November 24 2013 02:35 GMT
#2422
On November 24 2013 11:26 Tresher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:18 Heavenlee wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:17 Tresher wrote:
Maybe a bit late on that one but:
How is it possible that so many Hydras get owned by Void Rays? Can somebody explain that ? Ok Hyun couldnt move his Hydras under the VRs cause of timewarp but still...


Lol, what's there to explain unless you're a twitch chat bronzie? Voidrays cost almost 3x more than hydras and they had ground support eating up shots. MC was ahead teh entire game.

No need to league flame. And by your logic BCs should rape everything, yet they are shot down by marines ,hydras, stalkers basiclly everything that hits air.
Infestors help but still. And what has it to do with MC being ahead? Oh Im ahead so my marines are invincible against banes...(Irony off)


What are you even rambling about, seriously. I just explained why "so many hydras" get owned by void rays, it has nothing to do with battle cruisers. It has to do with the fact that MC's army is superior---aka..he's ahead...aka..me saying 1 voidray = 3 hydras...aka 1 voidray beating 3 hydras is easy to understand...and he had ground support.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 24 2013 02:37 GMT
#2423
On November 24 2013 11:26 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:19 Tresher wrote:
He was talking about a situation where Oracles were involved -_- .

no he said you need infestors to deal with mass vr why would you even expect mass hydra to win against mass vrs wtf


Well because the game says so . If you check hydras ingame, you will see that the are supposed to be strong against Void Rays. A t2 AA unit beating a t2 air unit makes sense imo. I think it's stupid you need 2 techs to deal with only Voidrays. I'm not saying Hyun should've won here or anything, just that in general the way Voidrays vs Hydras work is stupid. I think mass hydras should totally destroy mass Voidrays, it's the intended counter.

i think it's fine considering the costs of a vr. and i think in the open field the first fight could have very well gone in favor of hyun but he got caught in a weird spot and got slowed down by time warps, it was just the better overall execution by mc in my opinion
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
November 24 2013 02:40 GMT
#2424
I really can't see Scarlett beating sOs. Hope she proves me wrong.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 02:51:25
November 24 2013 02:42 GMT
#2425
On November 24 2013 11:37 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:26 Musicus wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:19 Tresher wrote:
He was talking about a situation where Oracles were involved -_- .

no he said you need infestors to deal with mass vr why would you even expect mass hydra to win against mass vrs wtf


Well because the game says so . If you check hydras ingame, you will see that the are supposed to be strong against Void Rays. A t2 AA unit beating a t2 air unit makes sense imo. I think it's stupid you need 2 techs to deal with only Voidrays. I'm not saying Hyun should've won here or anything, just that in general the way Voidrays vs Hydras work is stupid. I think mass hydras should totally destroy mass Voidrays, it's the intended counter.

i think it's fine considering the costs of a vr. and i think in the open field the first fight could have very well gone in favor of hyun but he got caught in a weird spot and got slowed down by time warps, it was just the better overall execution by mc in my opinion


Yeah as I said I'm not saying Hyun should've won because of the reasons you mentiond and also the lack of target firing. But I still think the counter to vr isn't working as intended. Of course vrs cost more, but if you have 3 hydras per voidray, it should be a onesided win for hydras imo, since hydras are indeed the intended counter. Needing another tech tree to counter a single unit annoys me.

Edit: After watching the replay (thanks redbull), MC deserved to win, but it should've been closer considering it was 2-0 vs 1-0 and MC only lost 5 vrs.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
November 24 2013 02:43 GMT
#2426
On November 24 2013 11:28 de1irium wrote:
[image loading]

Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
November 24 2013 02:53 GMT
#2427
On November 24 2013 11:35 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:26 Tresher wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:18 Heavenlee wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:17 Tresher wrote:
Maybe a bit late on that one but:
How is it possible that so many Hydras get owned by Void Rays? Can somebody explain that ? Ok Hyun couldnt move his Hydras under the VRs cause of timewarp but still...


Lol, what's there to explain unless you're a twitch chat bronzie? Voidrays cost almost 3x more than hydras and they had ground support eating up shots. MC was ahead teh entire game.

No need to league flame. And by your logic BCs should rape everything, yet they are shot down by marines ,hydras, stalkers basiclly everything that hits air.
Infestors help but still. And what has it to do with MC being ahead? Oh Im ahead so my marines are invincible against banes...(Irony off)


What are you even rambling about, seriously. I just explained why "so many hydras" get owned by void rays, it has nothing to do with battle cruisers. It has to do with the fact that MC's army is superior---aka..he's ahead...aka..me saying 1 voidray = 3 hydras...aka 1 voidray beating 3 hydras is easy to understand...and he had ground support.


Im rambling about your useless posts. If you want to troll or league flame go to bnet forums. You didnt even get the example with the BCs. So please dont answer me anymore, your comments make my brain cells die.
Extreme Force
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:01:16
November 24 2013 02:59 GMT
#2428
On November 24 2013 11:34 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:32 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:29 Sub40APM wrote:
zerg doesnt really have a good anti air unit. Corrupters are the worse. Queens with tranfuse can work if the number of VR is less than 10+ but once there is a mass of VR, only if you perpemantly chain fungal them out of range of anything and the toss doesnt just feedback/storm you to death.

I'd like to see another anti-air unit for zerg. I wouldn't mind if corrupter was re-designed so it's more flashy/less boring?


Yeah I hope they do that, it was requested so often already. They are so boring and often ineffective. Like a targetable suicide option vs air units (no splash) or something.


It's kinda crazy that when they decided to make a Land Scourge they basically created one of the most dynamic units in StarCraft II, and then they removed actual Scourge and replace them by the most boring unit in the game.

I mean, pure air-to-air units are pretty hard to make interesting, Valkyries and Devourers were not especially interesting either, but at least with Vikings and Phoenixes they made an excellent effort by giving them both a means of affecting the ground, suboptimal though it may be, and a unique particularity - the Vikings' range and Phoenixes' mobility. What does the Corrupter have? A minor debuff and a lot of hit points?

I oppose the nostalgia for Brood War units on general principle, but for Scourge I'd make an exception.

EDIT: Though I don't know how much they'd help with Skytoss. Phoenixes would just decimate Scourge.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
November 24 2013 03:04 GMT
#2429
The tournament is awesome, but it's a pity that they've picked this combo of casters, they don't really do the games 100% justice. DJwheat needs to be paired with a STRONG analytical caster, he's rambling a little too much, and is waaay too much play-by-play. Wheat or TB shouldn't do analysis either, that is really weird, and just a bit a re-hashed cast, not really analytical insight.
Bitters and TB is a little better, but I think I like the TB + Day9 casting combo a lot better. Wheat was awesome at WCS as a host, but as a caster he needs to get a little more up to speed IMHO.
Really cool that they let you download the replays immediately after the games, awesome!
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 24 2013 04:09 GMT
#2430
On November 24 2013 12:04 arie3000 wrote:
The tournament is awesome, but it's a pity that they've picked this combo of casters, they don't really do the games 100% justice. DJwheat needs to be paired with a STRONG analytical caster, he's rambling a little too much, and is waaay too much play-by-play. Wheat or TB shouldn't do analysis either, that is really weird, and just a bit a re-hashed cast, not really analytical insight.
Bitters and TB is a little better, but I think I like the TB + Day9 casting combo a lot better. Wheat was awesome at WCS as a host, but as a caster he needs to get a little more up to speed IMHO.
Really cool that they let you download the replays immediately after the games, awesome!

Give Axslav with anyone and im happy
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Watahantowet
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14 Posts
November 24 2013 04:10 GMT
#2431
I know I'm late to this party, but I had this thread open in one tab, and then forgot about it watching the remainder of the day 1 matches. I'm watching BasetradeTV now, and noticed this tab still open - I scrolled down a bit instead of just closing it and saw this:

On November 24 2013 07:19 Squat wrote:
Sweet fucking spaghetti monster, this feels so good, having to watch troglodytes rag on her for the last 2 months because she was in a slump, having to hear she was never any good, overrated, not a top foreigner etc.

In. Your. Face.


Amen, brother. (don't see many 'spaghetti monster' references when I'm in sc2-watching mode...very nice). I feel for the Bomber fans, but I'm delighted to see Scarlett get past that 0-2 start and finish with such a dramatic win. She's been a target for a lot of trash-talk (and will undoubtedly continue to be), but today felt sooooooo good. Tomorrow will be a tough day for her, but I will be rooting for Scarlett until she retires - and I'll be happier if that doesn't happen anytime soon.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
November 24 2013 04:56 GMT
#2432
DJWheat is beginning to look homeless.

Great work from Scarlett though, I never understood the "slump" myself, wasn't it really just WCS AM (which was stacked) and HSC that she failed to perform in?
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
November 24 2013 05:02 GMT
#2433
Just realized B4 broke MMA's 17 win streak in TvZ.
mYi.Rain | SKT1.soO
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
November 24 2013 05:28 GMT
#2434
Glad Parting and sOs won first in there groups, hoping to see them in the finals! Sad Bomber got knocked out though
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 06:27:48
November 24 2013 06:26 GMT
#2435
On November 24 2013 11:53 Tresher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:35 Heavenlee wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:26 Tresher wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:18 Heavenlee wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:17 Tresher wrote:
Maybe a bit late on that one but:
How is it possible that so many Hydras get owned by Void Rays? Can somebody explain that ? Ok Hyun couldnt move his Hydras under the VRs cause of timewarp but still...


Lol, what's there to explain unless you're a twitch chat bronzie? Voidrays cost almost 3x more than hydras and they had ground support eating up shots. MC was ahead teh entire game.

No need to league flame. And by your logic BCs should rape everything, yet they are shot down by marines ,hydras, stalkers basiclly everything that hits air.
Infestors help but still. And what has it to do with MC being ahead? Oh Im ahead so my marines are invincible against banes...(Irony off)


What are you even rambling about, seriously. I just explained why "so many hydras" get owned by void rays, it has nothing to do with battle cruisers. It has to do with the fact that MC's army is superior---aka..he's ahead...aka..me saying 1 voidray = 3 hydras...aka 1 voidray beating 3 hydras is easy to understand...and he had ground support.


Im rambling about your useless posts. If you want to troll or league flame go to bnet forums. You didnt even get the example with the BCs. So please dont answer me anymore, your comments make my brain cells die.


Lmao, I'm not trolling and the league flame seems pretty accurate. I got the example perfectly fine, not exactly a complex point there, you just don't understand that analogies like that are completely pointless. Void rays are void rays, battlecruisers are battlecruisers. If you want to actually make this comparison, take equal cost of battle cruisers and hydras and I bet battlecruisers win if you have a medium-sized number, especially with yamato. I said the cost thing to demonstrate that there were "so many hydras" is misleading because there was at least an equal army value of void rays---so there's "so many void rays" battling those "so many hydras".
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 06:59:01
November 24 2013 06:55 GMT
#2436
Tuned in to the rebroadcast just in time for Bomber/Scarlett game 3. WOWOWOWOW
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 07:41:44
November 24 2013 07:41 GMT
#2437
Are there VODs already available or do I have to watch the whole rebroadcast (there are no time stamps)? I want to see Scarlett vs Bomber so badly.

Thanks in advance.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 24 2013 07:53 GMT
#2438
On November 24 2013 16:41 Malinor wrote:
Are there VODs already available or do I have to watch the whole rebroadcast (there are no time stamps)? I want to see Scarlett vs Bomber so badly.

Thanks in advance.


http://www.twitch.tv/redbullesports/b/482370792?t=3h02m
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
November 24 2013 07:57 GMT
#2439
On November 24 2013 16:53 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 16:41 Malinor wrote:
Are there VODs already available or do I have to watch the whole rebroadcast (there are no time stamps)? I want to see Scarlett vs Bomber so badly.

Thanks in advance.


http://www.twitch.tv/redbullesports/b/482370792?t=3h02m


Thank you!
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
November 24 2013 08:54 GMT
#2440
On November 24 2013 11:32 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:29 Sub40APM wrote:
zerg doesnt really have a good anti air unit. Corrupters are the worse. Queens with tranfuse can work if the number of VR is less than 10+ but once there is a mass of VR, only if you perpemantly chain fungal them out of range of anything and the toss doesnt just feedback/storm you to death.

I'd like to see another anti-air unit for zerg. I wouldn't mind if corrupter was re-designed so it's more flashy/less boring?


Give intested terrans their upgrades back.
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
01:00
Patch Clash Monthly #2
RotterdaM354
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 339
TKL 185
ProTech140
SteadfastSC 123
UpATreeSC 42
ByuN 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32995
Calm 3315
Shuttle 2349
Jaedong 1650
Mini 618
Horang2 529
EffOrt 498
Soma 311
Rush 299
Stork 243
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 231
ZerO 213
Snow 188
BeSt 161
firebathero 110
Mong 89
Zeus 87
hero 83
910 82
Mind 67
Hyun 42
Shine 40
sorry 40
Free 36
Sharp 34
Shinee 33
ToSsGirL 28
Yoon 27
PianO 24
Terrorterran 24
Killer 23
JYJ 19
Aegong 17
Bale 17
Trap 15
Rock 14
scan(afreeca) 14
Sacsri 12
Sexy 11
HiyA 11
Hm[arnc] 10
Noble 4
Dota 2
Gorgc5903
Dendi1337
League of Legends
KnowMe11
Counter-Strike
fl0m3355
Fnx 561
x6flipin453
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King79
ChuDatz33
Other Games
singsing2073
Liquid`RaSZi1256
B2W.Neo705
hiko657
ceh9387
crisheroes309
dupreeh309
Beastyqt264
Khaldor217
Livibee213
420jenkins206
QueenE100
Trikslyr84
Dewaltoss62
C9.Mang059
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV261
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream31
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH285
• Hinosc 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4108
• WagamamaTV394
League of Legends
• Nemesis2623
Other Games
• Shiphtur768
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
17h 48m
INu's Battles
18h 48m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
20h 48m
OSC
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 6h
OSC
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.