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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
November 17 2013 01:14 GMT
#3541
On November 17 2013 10:14 Cascade wrote:
are they done for today?

yes
리노크 👑
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 17 2013 01:15 GMT
#3542
On November 17 2013 10:14 Cascade wrote:
are they done for today?

Thank god yes, no 4:00 like yesterday :D
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 17 2013 01:16 GMT
#3543
On November 17 2013 10:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:05 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:57 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:57 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Today really crystalized one of the big differences between the Korean players and the foreigners as I see it. It is clear now that many foreigners CAN play at a very high level and compete toe to toe with very good Koreans. But they seem to have trouble playing at that level with the same consistency at the Koreans.

Also known as inferior level.

True, that said the mechanical difference isn't AS massive as some make out.

Koreans seem a hell of a lot better at adjusting builds and timings on the fly, and generally make better decisions too.

Not in his best shape, but guys like MC make their timings work with such regularity, even weird ones, they seem to have some triggers mentally

Depends on the races. The difference between non-Korean and Korean Terrans regarding this is really huge, for instance.

Korean Terrans are superhumans, or perhaps androids.

Korean Zergs are mechanically a cut above, especially Jaedong/Soulkey/Life and those of that calibre. Peak Stephano and Scarlett weren't/aren't a million miles off though. Stephano is a case in point though, his on-the-fly decision making was truly sensational at his peak, as was his general gamesense and mental strength.

Protosses not so much. I think they have the capacity for sure, but there's just a bit less of a mechanical demand with that race.

For Protoss, it depends on the style played. If you were to watch the FPOV of people like Dear, Trap or PartinG while playing a Templar style in PvT, you would still notice a huge difference with a non-Korean Protoss trying to do so. Naturally, the differences are made partially irrelevant if both Protoss play a peaceful turtle style and aren't disturbed much while doing so.

For Zerg, someone like Scarlett even had better creep spread than many top Korean Zergs. But someone like DRG with his 250 eapm is still much faster than any non-Korean Zerg.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 17 2013 01:17 GMT
#3544
just got back, Lol taeja vs hero team kill and leenock vs jjakji

BabyKnight 2-3 Symbol
TaeJa 3-0 HerO
Happy 1-3 Hyun
Leenock 3-2 Jjakji

Symbol 1-3 TaeJa
Hyun 3-1 Leenock

TaeJa 3-2 Hyun
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 17 2013 01:19 GMT
#3545
I can't be around for the full day tomorrow so someone else needs to make the LR if you want detailed results in the OP
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
November 17 2013 01:20 GMT
#3546
On November 17 2013 10:16 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:05 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:57 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 09:57 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Today really crystalized one of the big differences between the Korean players and the foreigners as I see it. It is clear now that many foreigners CAN play at a very high level and compete toe to toe with very good Koreans. But they seem to have trouble playing at that level with the same consistency at the Koreans.

Also known as inferior level.

True, that said the mechanical difference isn't AS massive as some make out.

Koreans seem a hell of a lot better at adjusting builds and timings on the fly, and generally make better decisions too.

Not in his best shape, but guys like MC make their timings work with such regularity, even weird ones, they seem to have some triggers mentally

Depends on the races. The difference between non-Korean and Korean Terrans regarding this is really huge, for instance.

Korean Terrans are superhumans, or perhaps androids.

Korean Zergs are mechanically a cut above, especially Jaedong/Soulkey/Life and those of that calibre. Peak Stephano and Scarlett weren't/aren't a million miles off though. Stephano is a case in point though, his on-the-fly decision making was truly sensational at his peak, as was his general gamesense and mental strength.

Protosses not so much. I think they have the capacity for sure, but there's just a bit less of a mechanical demand with that race.

For Protoss, it depends on the style played. If you were to watch the FPOV of people like Dear, Trap or PartinG while playing a Templar style in PvT, you would still notice a huge difference with a non-Korean Protoss trying to do so. Naturally, the differences are made partially irrelevant if both Protoss play a peaceful turtle style and aren't disturbed much while doing so.

For Zerg, someone like Scarlett even had better creep spread than many top Korean Zergs. But someone like DRG with his 250 eapm is still much faster than any non-Korean Zerg.

There aren't enough FPs of top Korean Protosses these days, shame really. Hopefully more guys will stream during the WCS off-season.

Oh DRG, where art thou?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 17 2013 01:22 GMT
#3547
Any good games btw?
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
November 17 2013 01:24 GMT
#3548
Omg leenock jjakji rematch
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
VictorX
Profile Joined April 2011
United States773 Posts
November 17 2013 01:25 GMT
#3549
Is that Edward Norton?

Tons of good games: Dayshi vs. Hero, Incontrol vs. ToD to name a few.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 17 2013 01:32 GMT
#3550
Awesome interview with Dimaga there
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 17 2013 01:33 GMT
#3551
On November 17 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:
Any good games btw?

happy games, dayshi vs hero
yo
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 17 2013 01:37 GMT
#3552
On November 17 2013 10:33 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:
Any good games btw?

happy games, dayshi vs hero


Also Heromarine vs Leenock
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 17 2013 01:41 GMT
#3553
Go Hero!.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
November 17 2013 01:44 GMT
#3554
On November 17 2013 10:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:33 Killmouse wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:
Any good games btw?

happy games, dayshi vs hero


Also Heromarine vs Leenock

Is that it for recommended games for today?

I'm not sure what "happy games" entails (which series?), but Dayshi vs HerO and Heromarine vs Leenock?
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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 17 2013 01:49 GMT
#3555
On November 17 2013 10:44 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 10:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:33 Killmouse wrote:
On November 17 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:
Any good games btw?

happy games, dayshi vs hero


Also Heromarine vs Leenock

Is that it for recommended games for today?

I'm not sure what "happy games" entails (which series?), but Dayshi vs HerO and Heromarine vs Leenock?

all happy games today were sick in my opinion, btw im terran ;P
yo
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
November 17 2013 01:54 GMT
#3556
I'm so excited for tomorrow, rematch of the best GSL finals ^_^.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 17 2013 02:00 GMT
#3557
Wow I missed nearly all of today. MC out 0-2, never expected that. 1-2 vs ToD, that means MC is now at Incontrols level Happy and Babyknight looking really strong. Ro8 looks pretty tough for any player.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 17 2013 02:03 GMT
#3558
Taeja vs HerO. That's where the torch passes, it is known
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1942 Posts
November 17 2013 02:05 GMT
#3559
On November 17 2013 11:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Taeja vs HerO. That's where the torch passes, it is known


It is known.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 02:07:34
November 17 2013 02:06 GMT
#3560
Picking Taeja for the finals. On the other side of the bracket it's a toss-up between the koreans I pick Leenock.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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