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who is that female looking person on the bench?
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On November 13 2013 19:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds. Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc. Or just forever. I doubt that though, these pros are pretty good at figuring stuff out ;o
I think it is coin flippy if you go proxy stargate. But if you start with oracles when you are on 2 bases, it becomes much better and not insta loss
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I think the OP bolded Trap in the wrong place (not in the results spoiler)
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On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs
I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden.
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lol i like how they play such a sad song
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On November 13 2013 19:21 thirtyapm wrote:
who is that female looking person on the bench?
The assistant manager of Axiom. https://twitter.com/olimwong
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On November 13 2013 19:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds. Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc. Or just forever. I doubt that though, these pros are pretty good at figuring stuff out ;o I think it is coin flippy if you go proxy stargate. But if you start with oracles when you are on 2 bases, it becomes much better and not insta loss
If you mean a 1gate FE into SG oracle that's rather coinflippy because it dies even harder to some all ins than FE-> robo (some people like Parting still do it on 4 player maps sometimes). Imagine going 1gate FE -> stargate oracle (which you should keep at home initially because of a DT threat) and then someone shows up with an aggressive 1base phoenix all in. GGWP D:
But do it later and there will be hallucination scouting going on and 2 stalkers + overcharge should be ready anytime and your 300/300 investment will be worthless => you open yourself up to a timing or give your opponent an easier and earlier third base (leading to an even bigger timing later). Since charge/templar archives is the most standard choice in PvP your oracle might even get feedbacked and die, depending on your SG timing
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On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden.
soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version
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On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version
Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters.
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hyvaa not doing any aggressive builds or all-in makes me sad 
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whoops forgot this was on today ;x
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On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters.
will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
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On November 13 2013 19:36 Dark.Carnival wrote:
whoops forgot this was on today ;x
You'd think you'd forget about tomorrow because that's the day it usually isn't on. ;o
On November 13 2013 19:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters. will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
Who knows, that might be the Phoenix counter.
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Two or three Stalkers in the mineral line wins against a proxy Oracle and allows you to tech, so I don't think people need to assume that there will be only Stargate play in PvP.
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AMG Hyvaa playing WELL! With no cheese :O
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On November 13 2013 19:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters. will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
I'd be really careful with those for a while but I don't think they'll fade away. You don't necessarily have to kill an oracle to be safe against it. Just having 2 stalkers ready should do the job (or 1 stalker and photon overcharge). And the usual oracle opening was into nexus/robo or robo/nexus depending on how safe you think you are so if your oracle doesn't do damage there's still a counterattack threat by the robo player. Oz and HerO for example do this a lot. They chronoboost out 2/3 immortals and add up to 2 gateways depending on how much they want to commit to it and hit a timing that exploits the lack of immortals. Worst case scenario they force the opponent to chrono emergency void rays and produce more sentries which slows down their teching. I'd say phoenix openings will be used a lot more until people figure out how to not take damage from oracles. A lot of the time even before the patch the oracle wouldn't die and the game would continue. That'll just happen more often now and oracles will punish a lack of defense harder
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Ohgod Mekia
That was horrible
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LOOOOOOOL hahahahaa hyvaa
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Manner overwhelming....he's pulling a Dear!
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