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Canada16217 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/107391.jpg) Wednesday, Nov 13 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_Global_StarCraft_II_Team_League_Season_2/Round_2 TL Preview: Format:
- Round 1: Best of 7 All-Kill Format
- Round 2: Best of 7 Proleague Format
- Playoffs: Top 3 teams; 3rd vs 2nd; winner vs 1st
Playoff Match: Best of 3
- 1st Match: All-Kill Format
- 2nd Match: Proleague Format
- 3rd Match: All-Kill Format
Grand Finals: Best of 3
- 1st Match: PL Format
- 2nd Match: All-Kill Format
- Ace Match: Bo1 Ace Match
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Heart  SSanaEE
Alicia Trap
Impact hyvaa
Ryung Dear
INnoVation YoungJoo
Ace:
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+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Games 1-4] +Poll: Recommend set 1?★★★ - Good game (4) 40% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4) 40% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 20% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 1? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 2?★ - Do not see this game no matter what (11) 92% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 8% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 2? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 3?★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4) 40% ★★★ - Good game (3) 30% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2) 20% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 10% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 3? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 4?★★★ - Good game (3) 38% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 38% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 13% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1) 13% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 4? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 5?★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6) 60% ★★★ - Good game (3) 30% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 10% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 5? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 6?★★★ - Good game (6) 86% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 14% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 6? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend set 7?★★★★ - Highly recommended game (12) 75% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (3) 19% ★★★ - Good game (1) 6% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 7? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: PS4?PC MASTER RACE (17) 63% When better games come out. (6) 22% I would, but no money or time. (3) 11% fknoobs play PS, real men play XBawks (1) 4% Launch day baby! (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: PS4? (Vote): Launch day baby!
(Vote): When better games come out.
(Vote): fknoobs play PS, real men play XBawks
(Vote): PC MASTER RACE
(Vote): I would, but no money or time.
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Poll: Who will win?Ax-Acer (11) 69% SouL (5) 31% 16 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Ax-Acer
(Vote): SouL
Poll: Who will be the ACE player for Ax-Acer?Innovation (11) 58% Ryung (2) 11% MMA (2) 11% Impact (2) 11% Alicia (2) 11% Heart (0) 0% CranK (0) 0% 19 total votes Your vote: Who will be the ACE player for Ax-Acer? (Vote): Innovation
(Vote): Heart
(Vote): CranK
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Impact
(Vote): Alicia
Poll: Who will be the ACE player for SouL?Dear (15) 63% Last (5) 21% Trap (2) 8% YoungJoo (1) 4% SSanaEE (1) 4% hyvaa (0) 0% 24 total votes Your vote: Who will be the ACE player for SouL? (Vote): Dear
(Vote): Trap
(Vote): hyvaa
(Vote): YoungJoo
(Vote): Last
(Vote): SSanaEE
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I'll just put the polls here because it's where they should be.
For the first time this season, SouL has a Terran. It's so amazing.
Also, SouL has to win this, AxAxer has to win tomorrow, and SouL has to win on Friday (all while making StarTale's -1 indicator lower than SouL's currently -7 indicator) for SouL to make playoffs. Otherwise StarTale is joining AxAcer and AZUBU in the playoffs.
Go AxAcer!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Novemberstorm is a true hero!
Obligatory goooooo Ax-Acer! Holllly shit Last is back from the dead!!
And poor youngjood Inno is going to eat him alive if it gets that far.
And we have a chance of a Inno vs Dear ace match hypuuuu
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LAST!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D I'm so glad he's still playing! Gogo everyone in SouL!
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Who will win?Ax-Acer (11) 69% SouL (5) 31% 16 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Ax-Acer
(Vote): SouL
Poll: Who will be the ACE player for Ax-Acer?Innovation (11) 58% Ryung (2) 11% MMA (2) 11% Impact (2) 11% Alicia (2) 11% Heart (0) 0% CranK (0) 0% 19 total votes Your vote: Who will be the ACE player for Ax-Acer? (Vote): Innovation
(Vote): Heart
(Vote): CranK
(Vote): Ryung
(Vote): MMA
(Vote): Impact
(Vote): Alicia
Poll: Who will be the ACE player for SouL?Dear (15) 63% Last (5) 21% Trap (2) 8% YoungJoo (1) 4% SSanaEE (1) 4% hyvaa (0) 0% 24 total votes Your vote: Who will be the ACE player for SouL? (Vote): Dear
(Vote): Trap
(Vote): hyvaa
(Vote): YoungJoo
(Vote): Last
(Vote): SSanaEE
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Reserve a spot for polls next time :D
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Dear vs Ryung. Sounds cool. Go Soul!!!
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yay last is in my fgstl
:D
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Oh yeah, first tournament games for the Oracle buff and Widow Mine nerf. :o
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
INnoVation dont care for no nerf! But in seriousness Im excited to see if hell continue to 4m or will mix it up now 
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I cannot watch but I would absolutely love anyone who live reports
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oh yeah, I forgot this is all post-patch. Suddenly I'm interested.
Too bad no ZvP, I expected the roach buff to come into play most there.
I'll jizz blood if a terran attempts mech tonight. Probably not though :/
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Last is probably going to be rusty as hell. Good to see he's maybe back from his injury though, maybe?
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On November 13 2013 17:40 KristofferAG wrote:
Who's Impact
 Impact aka Mekia aka Fokins
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Norway25712 Posts
On November 13 2013 17:40 MCXD wrote:Impact aka Mekia aka Fokins
Ooooh.
What a lame new name.
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Can´t wait to see Trap´s PvP again.
Gogo Axiom, though! Ryung, MechvP, please.
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Winning SPL is apparently a "...decent..." performance according to Wolf.
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On November 13 2013 17:44 Daswollvieh wrote:Can´t wait to see Trap´s PvP again. Gogo Axiom, though! Ryung, MechvP, please.
If Ryung goes mech, he's fucked against Dear's Oracles...
Also Wolfdor underestimating YoungJoo in his match-up... In every interview back when Seeker translated ALL THE THINGS, INnoVation always thanked YoungJoo for TvZ practice. He was the main practice partner back on STX SouL, he might know INnoVation's unknown to the public weaknesses. (If you go back to the interviews, YoungJoo's ID from Brood War was Size and he changed it to YoungJoo some time this year)
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Looking forward to Trap and Innovation. Axiom-Acer will probably win quite convincingly, though.
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I'm surprised Wolfdor hasn't mentioned Team Epic yet...
Also MKP won the MLG Winter Arena and MLG Winter Championship last year... Both over DRG in the finals.
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Is the patch live in Korea ?
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On November 13 2013 18:15 NarutO wrote:
Is the patch live in Korea ?
It was live in Korea before anywhere else. :o
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:15 NarutO wrote:
Is the patch live in Korea ?
Yes I think so
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On November 13 2013 18:15 Elite_ wrote:It was live in Korea before anywhere else. :o
I guess YoungJoo is favorite against INnoVation ^_°
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One other thing we have is all 2012 GOMTV VODs for free.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:16 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:15 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 18:15 NarutO wrote:
Is the patch live in Korea ? It was live in Korea before anywhere else. :o I guess YoungJoo is favorite against INnoVation ^_°
Hahahaha :D +1
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On November 13 2013 18:16 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:15 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 18:15 NarutO wrote:
Is the patch live in Korea ? It was live in Korea before anywhere else. :o I guess YoungJoo is favorite against INnoVation ^_°
Don't be so sure. The tank was buffed, after all.
...right?
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Double rax is completely standard after CC first isnt it?
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:18 NovaMB wrote:
Double rax is completly standard after CC first isnt it?
Yeah
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On November 13 2013 18:18 NovaMB wrote:
Double rax is completly standard after CC first isnt it?
It is, yes. It starts to deviate if you go either two barracks and faster tech or 3 barracks (which would be more standard or the earlier standard).
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Holy shit that oracle's so fast
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Is there a reason not to make oracles now? Gives nice map control.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
I think Soul might win finally.
I might be wrong though... xD
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In the words of a WCS Champion...
김유진 @WJsOs 10h
oracle speed very very good
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Im gonna slit my own wrists once I start
Playing vs those oracles Q.Q
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Austria24417 Posts
YES!
So much HerO PvZ godlikeness to watch
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On November 13 2013 18:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:YES! So much HerO PvZ godlikeness to watch
You are a scribe now? Congrats!
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On November 13 2013 18:26 GumBa wrote:
Oracle good unit
Zealot even better unit...
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Where's the revelation Crank, the thing's never going to die with that speed xD
edit: there it is
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Triple Stargate? Triple Oracles!
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Canada16217 Posts
this gonna get interesting :o
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:27 artrea wrote:Zealot even better unit...
Toss good race?
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lol...the viking only got like 1 shot on the oracle and it's gone
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On November 13 2013 18:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
lol...the viking only got like 1 shot on the oracle and it's gone
We need faster vikings!
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Last going full Happy-style TvP.
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He really needs like 2 bunkers and some SDs to block of those Zealot runbys in lower right
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Austria24417 Posts
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha
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Crank accidentally winning the game with Zealot harass.
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16 HT produced at once o.o
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10x150 = 1200 according to Wolf :D
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Poll: Recommend set 1?★★★ - Good game (4) 40% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4) 40% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 20% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 1? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
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"Never do math on stream"
It just never stops being true :D
gg Crank, looked quite decent.
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that was very entertaining
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Other than the fact Trap should beat Alicia, we might not even see Dear or Innobation 
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On November 13 2013 18:32 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
lol...the viking only got like 1 shot on the oracle and it's gone We need faster vikings!
make everything faster!
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No MMA?
Good game by Crank, even if his decision-making near the end wasn't the most perfect (and I guess when you're banking so much money, you don't need to have the best decision making lol)
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On November 13 2013 18:38 sudete wrote:No MMA? Good game by Crank, even if his decision-making near the end wasn't the most perfect (and I guess when you're banking so much money, you don't need to have the best decision making lol)
could be ace :o
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On November 13 2013 18:32 NovaMB wrote:
Last going full Happy-style TvP.
It was ByuN style before Happy style unless I'm mistaken. :o
Khaldor can vouch for me. He casted the longest game of GSL history with ByuN using that style. 
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On November 13 2013 18:36 Doublemint wrote:
"Never do math on stream"
It just never stops being true :D
gg Crank, looked quite decent.
Tsss, my math was 100% correct dude :-P
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On November 13 2013 18:43 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:36 Doublemint wrote:
"Never do math on stream"
It just never stops being true :D
gg Crank, looked quite decent. Tsss, my math was 100% correct dude :-P
Haha - "except you are blessed with german efficiency and/or Khaldor" :D
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not sure why i find it so funny that Khaldor just said "alright, ladies" :D
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On November 13 2013 18:50 Schelim wrote:
not sure why i find it so funny that Khaldor just said "alright, ladies" :D
always shout out the ladies before every match
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that's a photon cannon under that overlord
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On November 13 2013 18:51 Schelim wrote:
that's a photon cannon under that overlord
I thought it was an Oracle... but that makes more sense. :o
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On November 13 2013 18:50 Schelim wrote:
not sure why i find it so funny that Khaldor just said "alright, ladies" :D
Completely random (and silly) but doesn't he look a bit like Johnny Sins? Hahahahaha
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Sanaee getting destroyed like usual
I like him but damn, he just doesn't beat anyone
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ssanaee I think he's nervous in that booth
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oh ssanaee what a disaster
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Soul gotta win some or we won´t get to see Dear vs Ryung.
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend set 2?★ - Do not see this game no matter what (11) 92% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 8% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 2? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
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That was a 1 star game if I ever saw one
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
That was like worst than my ZvT and i dont play zerg, and haven't play ladder since WOL :S
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On November 13 2013 19:03 Pandemona wrote:
That was like worst than my ZvT and i dont play zerg, and haven't play ladder since WOL :S
good thing you're not exaggarating
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An all-kill isn't unreasonable here for AA.
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poor soul. they're so awful.
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SSanaEE isn't on the line-up for the last match... He's 0-8 in 2 GSTL seasons if SouL doesn't make playoffs... and that's looking extremely unlikely right now.
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Hopefully Trap can give us a non-awful game from Soul.
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On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha
Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
An all-kill isn't unreasonable here for AA.
Yeah that is true, but you would still in a BO3 format have Trap 60-40 over Alicia, even in a mirror due to his awesome PvP
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On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers.
lol i can already see protosses build every single pylon in random spots all over the map to win the inevitable basetrade
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On November 13 2013 19:09 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
An all-kill isn't unreasonable here for AA. Yeah that is true, but you would still in a BO3 format have Trap 60-40 over Alicia, even in a mirror due to his awesome PvP
I wouldn't be so sure... Alicia won the PvP IPL Korea qualifiers with Oracles at the start of HotS.
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If they both play to the best of their abilities, there should be some sick mirco.
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Austria24417 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers.
I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs
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This stuff is why I love Trap. Damn, that was sexy.
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lol...totally backhanded and rightfully so. That's become so common on this map
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On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs
dat immediate proof of your theory
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Poll: Recommend set 3?★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4) 40% ★★★ - Good game (3) 30% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2) 20% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 10% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 3? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
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Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
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On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs
Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds.
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Austria24417 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds.
Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc. Or just forever. I doubt that though, these pros are pretty good at figuring stuff out ;o
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On November 13 2013 19:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds. Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc.
In PvP? Say it won't be so!
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lol Khaldor's all like "roflcopter he's a PIMP" and Wolf insists on Gundam pilot. that is really funny to me if you think about it.
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who is that female looking person on the bench?
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On November 13 2013 19:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds. Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc. Or just forever. I doubt that though, these pros are pretty good at figuring stuff out ;o
I think it is coin flippy if you go proxy stargate. But if you start with oracles when you are on 2 bases, it becomes much better and not insta loss
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I think the OP bolded Trap in the wrong place (not in the results spoiler)
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On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs
I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden.
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lol i like how they play such a sad song
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On November 13 2013 19:21 thirtyapm wrote:
who is that female looking person on the bench?
The assistant manager of Axiom. https://twitter.com/olimwong
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On November 13 2013 19:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:17 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs Yes, Phoenix opening is the hard counter for sure. But Phoenix opening also have problems with gateway builds. Yeah, which is why it might be a bit more coinflippy and build oriented for a while until people figure out how to scout for things or how not to die, etc. Or just forever. I doubt that though, these pros are pretty good at figuring stuff out ;o I think it is coin flippy if you go proxy stargate. But if you start with oracles when you are on 2 bases, it becomes much better and not insta loss
If you mean a 1gate FE into SG oracle that's rather coinflippy because it dies even harder to some all ins than FE-> robo (some people like Parting still do it on 4 player maps sometimes). Imagine going 1gate FE -> stargate oracle (which you should keep at home initially because of a DT threat) and then someone shows up with an aggressive 1base phoenix all in. GGWP D:
But do it later and there will be hallucination scouting going on and 2 stalkers + overcharge should be ready anytime and your 300/300 investment will be worthless => you open yourself up to a timing or give your opponent an easier and earlier third base (leading to an even bigger timing later). Since charge/templar archives is the most standard choice in PvP your oracle might even get feedbacked and die, depending on your SG timing
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On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden.
soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version
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On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version
Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters.
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hyvaa not doing any aggressive builds or all-in makes me sad
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whoops forgot this was on today ;x
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On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters.
will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
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On November 13 2013 19:36 Dark.Carnival wrote:
whoops forgot this was on today ;x
You'd think you'd forget about tomorrow because that's the day it usually isn't on. ;o
On November 13 2013 19:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters. will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
Who knows, that might be the Phoenix counter.
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Two or three Stalkers in the mineral line wins against a proxy Oracle and allows you to tech, so I don't think people need to assume that there will be only Stargate play in PvP.
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AMG Hyvaa playing WELL! With no cheese :O
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On November 13 2013 19:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:33 goody153 wrote:On November 13 2013 19:22 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 13 2013 19:08 vthree wrote:On November 13 2013 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I watched HerO's stream yesterday and his first oracle in a PvP got like 20 kills and never died
Can't wait to get my hands on it haha Lol, I can see oracles becoming PvP version of the prenerf hellbats in TvT. Where PvP will just be oracles killing all of each others workers. I don't think so tbh. Phoenix openings are just going to be more common now. An in base stargate phoenix first is still safe against an oracle build since the phoenix is like the only thing that's faster than an oracle (4,25 against the oracle's 4) and gives you a pretty good advantage against oracle first (and a pretty much BO win against proxy oracle). Should be zealot->sentry-> stargate builds though to have a forcefield ready in case of pressure and/or DTs I just realized this means moar Phoenix vs. Phoenix PvP in pro games... I'm happy about this change all of a sudden. soo pvp hots will be a Broodwar zvz version Nah, there will be a counter to Phoenix openings and it will be a rock paper scissors match-up again between Oracles, Phoenixes, and Phoenix counters. will gateway-robo openings still exist ?
I'd be really careful with those for a while but I don't think they'll fade away. You don't necessarily have to kill an oracle to be safe against it. Just having 2 stalkers ready should do the job (or 1 stalker and photon overcharge). And the usual oracle opening was into nexus/robo or robo/nexus depending on how safe you think you are so if your oracle doesn't do damage there's still a counterattack threat by the robo player. Oz and HerO for example do this a lot. They chronoboost out 2/3 immortals and add up to 2 gateways depending on how much they want to commit to it and hit a timing that exploits the lack of immortals. Worst case scenario they force the opponent to chrono emergency void rays and produce more sentries which slows down their teching. I'd say phoenix openings will be used a lot more until people figure out how to not take damage from oracles. A lot of the time even before the patch the oracle wouldn't die and the game would continue. That'll just happen more often now and oracles will punish a lack of defense harder
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Ohgod Mekia
That was horrible
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LOOOOOOOL hahahahaa hyvaa
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Manner overwhelming....he's pulling a Dear!
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kakaka lol just tuned in to see that happen lmao
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Can we call this Soul Manner now? :O
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What happened to you soul players-_-
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On November 13 2013 19:46 yrt123 wrote:
kakaka lol just tuned in to see that happen lmao
Same here. That made my day.
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He just killed creep tumors even though he is bringing his SCs with him ;_;
Jesus christ Hyvaa lol
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ZvZ enthusiasts unite!
good game spotted!
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hyvaa is a great guy :D
hopefully he'll win it
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hyvaa should expand more aggressively
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hyvaa, dear, who's next-_-
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Stupid engagement for Mekia.........
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Nooooooooo Mekia
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we're gonna see Ryung and Innovation
thank you based hyvaa
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Poll: Recommend set 4?★★★ - Good game (3) 38% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 38% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 13% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1) 13% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 4? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
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So funny xD
Oh well 2-2!
Now Dear makes it 3-2 :D
Then INnoVation wins to make 3-3
ACE MATCH ON THE CARDS? :D
Most likely Innovation vs Dear? AWWW YES
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I guess that means we're gonna see an ace match? Unless Ryung pulls out a Ryung GSTL moment
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aligulac gives YoungJoo a 15.69% chance to win :o
(1247) YoungJoo 0-0 INnoVation (2193)
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15.69% 1-0 0-1 84.31%
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15.69% 84.31%
Median outcome: YoungJoo 0-1 INnoVation
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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On November 13 2013 19:52 Pandemona wrote:
So funny xD
Oh well 2-2!
Now Dear makes it 3-2 :D
Then INnoVation wins to make 3-3
ACE MATCH ON THE CARDS? :D
Most likely Innovation vs Dear? AWWW YES
Next level ace match mind games - INnoVation vs. Last
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Just realized that MMA isn't playing today
WHYYYYY?
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On November 13 2013 19:53 Keeemy wrote:
Just realized that MMA isn't playing today
WHYYYYY?
Maybe in Germanyz for HSC?
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On November 13 2013 19:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:aligulac gives YoungJoo a 15.69% chance to win :o (1247) YoungJoo 0-0 INnoVation (2193)
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15.69% 1-0 0-1 84.31%
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15.69% 84.31%
Median outcome: YoungJoo 0-1 INnoVation
YoungJoo was INnoVation's punching bag practice partner on STX :o
On November 13 2013 19:54 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:53 Keeemy wrote:
Just realized that MMA isn't playing today
WHYYYYY? Maybe in Germanyz for HSC?
He's on the bench...
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I love Ryung but this is going to be next to impossible to win
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I have this weird feeling Ryung will win
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On November 13 2013 19:54 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:53 Keeemy wrote:
Just realized that MMA isn't playing today
WHYYYYY? Maybe in Germanyz for HSC?
He's in the studio just chilling and he's playing in tomorrow's GSTL match
I guess he wanted to rest for a bit after Blizzcon
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gogo Ryung 90 minute game with mass nukez and tanks and BCs and shit!!!
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Maybe Soul will try to play Last to snipe Innovation in the ace match, so Acer plays MMA to try and trick em (and then Dear plays for the ace match, MMA auto-loses to proxy oracles)
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On November 13 2013 19:56 Schelim wrote:
gogo Ryung 90 minute game with mass nukez and tanks and BCs and shit!!!
Good luck with that on Yeonsu Would love to see some endgame TvP though.
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Ryung! This is your chance to wear the daddy pants with MMA not playing today
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Rooting for Dear and Soul.
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On November 13 2013 19:56 Schelim wrote:
gogo Ryung 90 minute game with mass nukez and tanks and BCs and shit!!!
and typing IMBA IMBA in the end to complete it :p
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Ryung is looking good so far
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Heads up November, you bolded trap in the lineup rather than results.
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Ouch Ryung
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Ouch, what a smackdown.
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and just like that, he's dead D;
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that's what i was referring to
Ryung nooooo =/
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Wow. This last fight was more one-sided than expected.
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Dear so good with that timing,those time warp was right on the mark. Ryung looked so baffled after the match haha.
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That hurt to watch.
Oh well, gogog innovation!
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On November 13 2013 20:06 dainbramage wrote:
Heads up November, you bolded trap in the lineup rather than results.
whoops, thanks for noticing it's fixed now
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4 colossus and 2 - 2. That hurts
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seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late?
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innovation looking like knows he is pretty good at this game :p
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Youngjoo has epic glasses
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On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late?
Upgrades, time warps, four Colossi.
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Watching GSTL once in a while can't hurt, but shit I didn't even know GSTL changed format haha.
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I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible.
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Ryung was never going to win that fight. Maybe should have threatened with doom drops and so on to buy more time for larger viking count.
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On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible.
I was thinking that this is what's going to happen:
Inno will play same way, be less effective with mines, and still win because he's so good.
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On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible.
His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously.
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On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible.
This and reiterating what I said earlier...
On November 13 2013 18:05 Elite_ wrote:
Wolfdor underestimating YoungJoo in his match-up... In every interview back when Seeker translated ALL THE THINGS, INnoVation always thanked YoungJoo for TvZ practice. He was the main practice partner back on STX SouL, he might know INnoVation's unknown to the public weaknesses. (If you go back to the interviews, YoungJoo's ID from Brood War was Size and he changed it to YoungJoo some time this year)
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awesome, we are gonna see how big the widow mine nerf gonna hit innovation's play.
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On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible.
Whatever else has changed, he has a 80%< winrate in the match up, thats as insane as it gets in SC2
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i feel like this song is so inappropriate lol. and they play it all the damn time too.
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I literally in love with Bogus
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There's also been a pretty damn significant patch hit recently.........
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Rooting for Innovation this time, so that we can get an ace match, hopefully between Innovation and Dear,, hopefully won by Dear.
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I mean at least make tanks. I'd like to see more of the patch in action at this level :/
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On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late?
the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete
dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull
ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment
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On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously.
That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o
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On November 13 2013 20:17 GumBa wrote:
I literally in love with Bogus
That´s sad, because he will never be able to reciprocate those feelings. 
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On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment
but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third?
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On November 13 2013 20:19 Daswollvieh wrote:That´s sad, because he will never be able to reciprocate those feelings.
I know
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On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o
Wait what? You talking about Inno?
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
haha no, hes talking about the player named Lucky. Not Innovation getting lucky
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Oh Wolf, give Tassadar a break pls
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
You didn't read the quote, did you?
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
Nope. You can drop your knife.
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On November 13 2013 20:22 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third?
he could have had the bunkers where the fight took place which is the ideal place for the protoss to fight. if he went into the natural the vikings would have been harder to take care of and alot of protoss firepower would have been ai fucked by attackign the command center or other random stuff thats not the actual army of ryung
no he didnt cancel the 3rd base. and yes its not a must-kill for dear but im just saying what ryung needs for the game to keep going, theres no way he wins that fight in the open during those upgrades and army values with the double timewarp
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Innovation going for a starport instead of a 3rd CC right away, blasphemy!
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On November 13 2013 20:24 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno? You didn't read the quote, did you?
Yeah I did I just misunderstood what you said sorry.
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Is this mech?
Edit: Ah, no, there's Stim
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On November 13 2013 20:26 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:22 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third? he could have had the bunkers where the fight took place which is the ideal place for the protoss to fight. if he went into the natural the vikings would have been harder to take care of and alot of protoss firepower would have been ai fucked by attackign the command center or other random stuff thats not the actual army of ryung no he didnt cancel the 3rd base. and yes its not a must-kill for dear but im just saying what ryung needs for the game to keep going, theres no way he wins that fight in the open during those upgrades and army values with the double timewarp
aye I see. Yeah ive seen terrans defending surprisingly well at the natural with that high ground and ai being messed up.
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On November 13 2013 20:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno? Nope. You can drop your knife.
I love knifing though
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I understand now why Innovation wanted to show his TvT, seems to have worked on his banshee micro.
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miscontroled his wm there
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new uses of widow mines, tank baneling shots
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When a zerg is behind in supply so soon in a match (around 11min mark) you know your in trouble >.<
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overlord drop but no baneling speed. ouch
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youngjoo also uses grid and makes ovi cargo instead of mutas like me :D
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LOL slow overlord baneling drop
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wow, slow overlord with banes...I've seen everything now
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Innovation vs Dear plzthx
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I couldn't stop laughing at that drop xD
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Poll: Recommend set 6?★★★ - Good game (6) 86% ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year ( (1) 14% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend set 6? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (
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dat overlord was so hilarious.
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youngjoo you've done what you have to do.
time for ace match=)
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ace match on frost. Nice!
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Dear vs Innovation Ace match Please.
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dear vs innovation will be gsl final worthy
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MMA should be in good shape considering he must have been practicing really hard for blizzcon. And maybe has a few builds prepared cuz of it
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Bogus vs Dear would be epic. If Dear doesn't do a blink all-in.
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today I will play Zerg on ladder and do the slow overlord baneling bombs everywhere.
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innovation vs Dear ..
wait what ? its a trap !
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More Trap, that's always nice. Way more entertaining that Dear, so I'm glad to see Trap in the ace.
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Why they go with Trap 0.O
Think they thought they might of sent Crank instead? :S
Trap good of course but Dear is more than fine PvT as well
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(1582) Trap 0-0 INnoVation (2041)
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30.52% 69.48%
Median outcome: Trap 0-1 INnoVation
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Trap?
With current TvP and Innovation losing to Duckdeok recently, why wouldn't you send your strongest protoss player?
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I like Trap's play so it's nice to see him play.
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On November 13 2013 20:39 FeyFey wrote:
today I will play Zerg on ladder and do the slow overlord baneling bombs everywhere.
multiprong slow overlord drop will make your opponent think that they are playing tower defense and not starcraft
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People really underestimate Trap. IMO he is better than Dear in doing snipe builds, gimmicky stuff etc so he most likely has a build prepared.
E: Not better, but more his style.*
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Maybe comes down to form and the players mental state this particular day. Anyways, Trap is pretty damn good so this will be interesting. 50/50 match imo
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On November 13 2013 20:40 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:39 FeyFey wrote:
today I will play Zerg on ladder and do the slow overlord baneling bombs everywhere. multiprong slow overlord drop will make your opponent think that they are playing tower defense and not starcraft
lol
"Don't worry about that, it's just mis rallied overlords"
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On November 13 2013 20:39 Qwerty85 wrote:
Trap?
With current TvP and Innovation losing to Duckdeok recently, why wouldn't you send your strongest protoss player?
just maybe we dont know that they are almost equals .. maybe there skill gap is not as far as we think .. trap and dear .. in the teamhouse at least .. its just that dear has more chance to show his prowness in individual leagues
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Trap/Dear doesnt matter, both are in my FGSTL
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Time to dominate INnoVation !!! Your time isup Trap
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On November 13 2013 20:42 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:39 Qwerty85 wrote:
Trap?
With current TvP and Innovation losing to Duckdeok recently, why wouldn't you send your strongest protoss player? just maybe we dont know that they are almost equals .. maybe there skill gap is not as far as we think
Would've been awesome if we got to see Trap in Blizzcon with Dear.
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I'm gonna cry if Trap goes for a blink all-in. ~_~
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Trap kinda looks like Sjow
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wish trap would start oracle and shows us how fast it is now
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No fast expand from Innovation....
Oh it was, just put it high ground, wtf a terran with a brain scary thought =p
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just play terran, if you meet a Protoss you know how fast they will be x3.
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I think it is definitely a mistake to send Trap here. Of course his PvT is good, but definitely not as good as Dear's.
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Awesome cannons and defense of that marine widow mine pressure. Now he is ahead, and as a 'toss that can spiral into an unassailable lead.
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I think that pylon is to trick innovation thinking the proxy pylon is taken out
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why did trap attack there lol
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Wheres the Ghost Academy?
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Damn, Trap has some balls! Such a fun playstyle to watch
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This is like the opposite to Dear vs Maru. With terran turtling and proding at the front whilst toss drops like a mad man xD
Unless Trap can squeeze colli out he dead man
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wow what a game... sick play by both. still looking good for inno though.
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Such a nice game. Please win this Trap !
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Wow Innovation is letting him tech into Colli!
Will be gg if he gets 2+ out
Here come the colli :O
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Innovation and his crazy supply... how does he do it? Sickest macro...
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finally inno with the ghosts. this should be it.
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And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol
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FUCK YES, THANK YOU INNOVATION AND AXIOM-ACER!
Startale is in the playoffs YO!
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Soul must be pretty miffed about Innovation's transfer : P
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Poll: PS4?PC MASTER RACE (17) 63% When better games come out. (6) 22% I would, but no money or time. (3) 11% fknoobs play PS, real men play XBawks (1) 4% Launch day baby! (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: PS4? (Vote): Launch day baby!
(Vote): When better games come out.
(Vote): fknoobs play PS, real men play XBawks
(Vote): PC MASTER RACE
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why isn't the poll working? O_O it works in the OP
Poll: PS4?PC MASTER RACE (17) 63% When better games come out. (6) 22% I would, but no money or time. (3) 11% fknoobs play PS, real men play XBawks (1) 4% Launch day baby! (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: PS4? (Vote): Launch day baby!
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Innovation still a pretty alright player :D
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I could have sworn that colossus was in death animation when it was picked up lol.
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Innovation just keeps rollin rollin rollin rolling wooooot \m/
GG AxA <3
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aww trap you're usually a lot better with storm, a bit underwhelming control that game ~~;
no more SouL, even if they win their next match it doesn't matter x_x;;
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OMG. Trap played the perfect game and still loses.
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sick game. Innovation looking really good today. I have no idea how he survives the storms and manage to keep pushing
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Sick final game. No colossus still makes everything better.
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On November 13 2013 20:59 samurai80 wrote:
OMG. Trap played the perfect game and still loses.
How deluded can you be?
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On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol
Trap clumped his HTs together. I think if his HTs were spread more, he would have had a shot to hold out until colo.
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AxAcer wins games 1 + 2, SouL wins 3, 4, 5, AxAcer wins games 6 + 7. End result looks like -_-
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On November 13 2013 20:59 samurai80 wrote:
OMG. Trap played the perfect game and still loses.
What the fuck?
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Meh Trap shouldn't of had his ghosts where he did. Guess didn't scout the army had ghosts until to late but still. Could of held that out landed the storms he needed too and colli comes out and he wins. Instead casts 1 shite storm out of a possibly 6 and loses 2 archons for free as he was fighting in an awful angle xD
GG
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On November 13 2013 20:59 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:59 samurai80 wrote:
OMG. Trap played the perfect game and still loses. How deluded can you be?
hahaha
long time no see
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Great engagements by Trap, but Innovation's macro was just unstoppable. Really enjoyable game, with fantastic casting by Wolf and Khaldor.
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why sending trap when u have dear...
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StarTale fangirling at the StarTale house. They're in the playoffs. ;o
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Innovation has it, since Symbol is at HSC and is not playing against SouL
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On November 13 2013 21:00 Ctesias wrote:
Great engagements by Trap, but Innovation's macro was just unstoppable. Really enjoyable game, with fantastic casting by Wolf and Khaldor.
Yeah. One of the best I've seen recently. I still can't believe Trap lost but this is how good Innovation's macro is.
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On November 13 2013 21:01 NovaMB wrote:
Innovation has it, since Symbol is at HSC and is not playing against SouL
allkill in PL format is kinda difficult to do anyways
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On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol
Yes you somehow need to be 40 supply ahead against protoss and even/ahead on upgrades and only then when you have massive unit advantage, you can afford to switch to ghost. And even then you need to hit the timing before protoss goes colossus.
Maru was losing more units for sure but he would never be able to get such a macro lead against Dear even if he played a bit more passive.
Inno was just way better than Trap in this game.
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I thought WolfDor made that game like 50% more epic than it already was (and it was pretty epic on its own, ye). Great ace match after so many underwhelming games today
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On November 13 2013 21:02 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol Yes you somehow need to be 40 supply ahead against protoss and even/ahead on upgrades and only then when you have massive unit advantage, you can afford to switch to ghost. And even then you need to hit the timing before protoss goes colossus. Maru was losing more units for sure but he would never be able to get such a macro lead against Dear even if he played a bit more passive. Inno was just way better than Trap in this game.
Don't forget the god mode defense of all the various harass that Trap constantly threw at him. Very strong game from innovation!
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woot, Axiom-Acer is in the GSTL finals :D closest a "foreigner" team (lol i know ) has ever been to winning a korean team league. Hope they prepare hardcore and goes all the way
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On November 13 2013 21:02 sudete wrote:
I thought WolfDor made that game like 50% more epic than it already was (and it was pretty epic on its own, ye). Great ace match after so many underwhelming games today
yup, thanks wolfdor :D
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I like Trap but the time has come to admit that Dear is clearly his superior, should've played the ace match for sure
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Ryung #1 Troll KR... lol that was Heart... Ryung still #1 troll KR, Heart maybe #2. lol
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This wasnt even his final form. Damn
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On November 13 2013 21:04 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 21:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol Yes you somehow need to be 40 supply ahead against protoss and even/ahead on upgrades and only then when you have massive unit advantage, you can afford to switch to ghost. And even then you need to hit the timing before protoss goes colossus. Maru was losing more units for sure but he would never be able to get such a macro lead against Dear even if he played a bit more passive. Inno was just way better than Trap in this game. Don't forget the god mode defense of all the various harass that Trap constantly threw at him. Very strong game from innovation!
yep you need to somehow keep the terran busy to get storm ready if you skip colossus. I think Trap did a good job, but Innovations defense was so good that it cost Trap to much.
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On November 13 2013 21:10 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 21:04 AxionSteel wrote:On November 13 2013 21:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol Yes you somehow need to be 40 supply ahead against protoss and even/ahead on upgrades and only then when you have massive unit advantage, you can afford to switch to ghost. And even then you need to hit the timing before protoss goes colossus. Maru was losing more units for sure but he would never be able to get such a macro lead against Dear even if he played a bit more passive. Inno was just way better than Trap in this game. Don't forget the god mode defense of all the various harass that Trap constantly threw at him. Very strong game from innovation! yep you need to somehow keep the terran busy to get storm ready if you skip colossus. I think Trap did a good job, but Innovations defense was so good that it cost Trap to much.
This too. Both players played really well, I don't see a clear mistake from Trap but somehow Innovation seems to win this game in a dominating fashion.
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On November 13 2013 21:12 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 21:10 FeyFey wrote:On November 13 2013 21:04 AxionSteel wrote:On November 13 2013 21:02 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 13 2013 20:58 Calthrash wrote:And this is how you win Maru Guess Trap wasnt expecting Inno to ever make ghosts lol Yes you somehow need to be 40 supply ahead against protoss and even/ahead on upgrades and only then when you have massive unit advantage, you can afford to switch to ghost. And even then you need to hit the timing before protoss goes colossus. Maru was losing more units for sure but he would never be able to get such a macro lead against Dear even if he played a bit more passive. Inno was just way better than Trap in this game. Don't forget the god mode defense of all the various harass that Trap constantly threw at him. Very strong game from innovation! yep you need to somehow keep the terran busy to get storm ready if you skip colossus. I think Trap did a good job, but Innovations defense was so good that it cost Trap to much. This too. Both players played really well, I don't see a clear mistake from Trap but somehow Innovation seems to win this game in a dominating fashion.
Donating too many Zealots, late third, losing most of his Templars at the last fight.
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If there's any gosu Liquipedia people that can make the playoff page, semifinals are AZUBU vs. StarTale and the winner faces AxAcer in the finals. :o
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Trap played quite a good game but he's still not that level to beat innovation i guess...still can't stop thinking what if they sent dear
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Well, this was the match I was most worried about. Soul got the perfect picks for each matchup, but thanks to Innovation, Heart and CranK, we pulled it off anyway.
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On November 13 2013 21:37 lystier wrote:
Trap played quite a good game but he's still not that level to beat innovation i guess...still can't stop thinking what if they sent dear
Considering INnoVation's amazing winning rates, I think the best shot at beating him would have Last.
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Inno is an inspiration to all terranc.
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I just got home, and gotta think to myself: did Soul blindpick Trap expecting Impact ace? That doesn't make sense to me
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There are no free VODs for GSTL, right?
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Wonger who will be the hero who creates the thread tomorrow.
And yes Wigglingsquid you must pay.
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They should put a screenshot of Ryung window wiping MMA's face that was fking funny
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On November 14 2013 02:03 Muffloe wrote:
I just got home, and gotta think to myself: did Soul blindpick Trap expecting Impact ace? That doesn't make sense to me
If they expected Impact then they definitely would have picked Dear who is a PvZ monster. To be fair, Dear is a moster in all match-ups so it was silly to not send him out. If you have one of the best players (if not the best) in the world then why on earth would you not send him out in the ace match. It just doesn't make sense at all.
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On November 14 2013 03:08 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 02:03 Muffloe wrote:
I just got home, and gotta think to myself: did Soul blindpick Trap expecting Impact ace? That doesn't make sense to me If they expected Impact then they definitely would have picked Dear who is a PvZ monster. To be fair, Dear is a moster in all match-ups so it was silly to not send him out. If you have one of the best players (if not the best) in the world then why on earth would you not send him out in the ace match. It just doesn't make sense at all.
Mindgames
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Well done Axiom-Acer! Let's go win that whole thing!
It's a shame that SouL didn't make the playoffs though, I think they suffered a lot early due to the turmoil from the transition from Kespa to eSF.
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On November 14 2013 05:51 Bagration wrote:
Well done Axiom-Acer! Let's go win that whole thing!
So that Startale will never win one.
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On November 14 2013 05:51 Bagration wrote:
Well done Axiom-Acer! Let's go win that whole thing!
It's a shame that SouL didn't make the playoffs though, I think they suffered a lot early due to the turmoil from the transition from Kespa to eSF.
Yep. If GSTL had started around now, i'm pretty sure they would have been top3 easily
annyway, here to Axiom Acer going all the way !
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