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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2741
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.
Michael Probu
NSGrendel
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom235 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2742
In Jaedong vs Naniwa, I suspect whoever wins the first game will win the series. Naniwa is a great player, but I'm still not convinced he can take an early loss without folding.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2743
On August 24 2013 23:06 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:58 Waxangel wrote:
Naniwa please win


check pm so i can pass out


How in the hell are you awake


passion

and ff14


That's gotta be like +10 passion soon
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2744
On August 24 2013 23:05 Conut wrote:
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On August 24 2013 23:00 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:58 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:56 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:52 Raambo11 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.


When your maxed as terran you can't defend until you lose supply if your army is on the other side of the map. Either that or wait for a production cycle and take damage meanwhile.


If the Protoss is dedicating supply to harassment then the Terran must dedicate supply to defense. Splitting your army is so hard? And people complain about deathballs.

Both armies don't have the same supply-efficiency at all; park 20 army supply to defend Zealots raids and suddenly your core army melts so badly.


Bunkers + repair vastly improves the supply efficiency of the Terran defense.

Zealots barely care about Bunkers, see how First could easily break aLive's bunker in the Whirlwind game. Protoss can commit much more supply to harassment than Terran can to defend because of defensive Storms.


I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Well positioned Bunkers will have very little surface area for the Zealots to attack. Marines rip through them. First barely had any supply committed to that harassment. If you see the post game analysis right now it was like 3 Zealots that completely shut down mining at the 3rd. Alive's defense just wasn't up to par.

not to mention you can just build a PF to wall of your ramps, just insane that he never did it in even one game

PFs are expensive, you can't randomly spam them by midgame (which was the case for the last game); he was just starting his extra CCs since he was max, and the Zealots raids killed him before he had a chance to complete them.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 14:07:47
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2745
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 14:07:34
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2746
On August 24 2013 23:02 bo1b wrote:
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ITS TIME ARTOSIS
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LETS DO THIS
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2747
On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:
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On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.

Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots.


What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets?


That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down.

All other races have supply-less defence.

you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker.


4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible.

rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so?


First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran.

Do you feel that Terran is the weakest race?

Genuine question, I'm curious.
It appears I have been chosen.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2748
Nani (L)
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2749
Only an englishman would say mightily in pregame hype <3
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2750
THE DONG IS HERE.
Long live the King of Wings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 24 2013 14:07 GMT
#2751
Dancing? Nobody beats Jaedong at dancing
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2752
jaedong coming to crush hopes
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2753
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2754
On August 24 2013 23:07 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.

Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots.


What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets?


That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down.

All other races have supply-less defence.

you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker.


4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible.

rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so?


First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran.

I heard that building things around Bunkers prevents Zealots from getting to them so quickly.

You know, the same way Protoss has to build Pylons/Gateways around Cannons in PvZ..?



Its a completely different issue and I already explained that the firepower of 2 marauders or 4 marines doesn't challenge 8+ zealots at all in the later stages and your economy will suffer regardless. Not to mention you would need to replace the marines after 3 stims
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2755
On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.

He plays well, which is also a reason to be a fan of someone :p.
It appears I have been chosen.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2756
Come on Nani, you can do it! If not for yourself, do it for me!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2757
[A] Naniwa!!
The curse is real
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2758
On August 24 2013 23:04 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.

Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots.


What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets?


That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down.

All other races have supply-less defence.

you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker.


4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible.

rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so?

Against 3 or 4 zealots, maybe repair works.


You are so biased it's unbelievable. Even with no repairing and all Zealots attacking at once 4 Marines in a Bunker beat 4 Zealots. Funneled with Supply Depots/good positioning and it isn't even close.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2759
On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.

Because it is more interesting than only Koreans, and the tears on TL when Koreans get beaten by non-Koreans, which is impossible for many to comprehend, are fun.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2760
On August 24 2013 23:04 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:58 Waxangel wrote:
Naniwa please win


check pm so i can pass out


How in the hell are you awake

he's Canadian, hard worker


Igloos are cold, it helps us stay awake
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