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How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.
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In Jaedong vs Naniwa, I suspect whoever wins the first game will win the series. Naniwa is a great player, but I'm still not convinced he can take an early loss without folding.
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On August 24 2013 23:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 24 2013 23:00 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2013 22:58 Waxangel wrote:
Naniwa please win check pm so i can pass out How in the hell are you awake passion and ff14
That's gotta be like +10 passion soon
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On August 24 2013 23:05 Conut wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:00 Exarl25 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:58 TheDwf wrote:On August 24 2013 22:56 Exarl25 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:55 TheDwf wrote:On August 24 2013 22:53 Exarl25 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:52 Raambo11 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base. When your maxed as terran you can't defend until you lose supply if your army is on the other side of the map. Either that or wait for a production cycle and take damage meanwhile. If the Protoss is dedicating supply to harassment then the Terran must dedicate supply to defense. Splitting your army is so hard? And people complain about deathballs. Both armies don't have the same supply-efficiency at all; park 20 army supply to defend Zealots raids and suddenly your core army melts so badly. Bunkers + repair vastly improves the supply efficiency of the Terran defense. Zealots barely care about Bunkers, see how First could easily break aLive's bunker in the Whirlwind game. Protoss can commit much more supply to harassment than Terran can to defend because of defensive Storms. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Well positioned Bunkers will have very little surface area for the Zealots to attack. Marines rip through them. First barely had any supply committed to that harassment. If you see the post game analysis right now it was like 3 Zealots that completely shut down mining at the 3rd. Alive's defense just wasn't up to par. not to mention you can just build a PF to wall of your ramps, just insane that he never did it in even one game
PFs are expensive, you can't randomly spam them by midgame (which was the case for the last game); he was just starting his extra CCs since he was max, and the Zealots raids killed him before he had a chance to complete them.
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On August 24 2013 23:02 bo1b wrote:![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/chat/smiles-hidden/jae4.gif) ITS TIME ARTOSIS ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/ibuyoHSHzzGC3G.gif)
LETS DO THIS
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On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base. Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots. What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets? That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down. All other races have supply-less defence. you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker. 4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible. rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so? First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran.
Do you feel that Terran is the weakest race?
Genuine question, I'm curious.
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Only an englishman would say mightily in pregame hype <3
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Dancing? Nobody beats Jaedong at dancing
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jaedong coming to crush hopes
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On August 24 2013 23:07 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base. Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots. What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets? That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down. All other races have supply-less defence. you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker. 4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible. rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so? First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran. I heard that building things around Bunkers prevents Zealots from getting to them so quickly. You know, the same way Protoss has to build Pylons/Gateways around Cannons in PvZ..? 
Its a completely different issue and I already explained that the firepower of 2 marauders or 4 marines doesn't challenge 8+ zealots at all in the later stages and your economy will suffer regardless. Not to mention you would need to replace the marines after 3 stims
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On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.
He plays well, which is also a reason to be a fan of someone :p.
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Come on Nani, you can do it! If not for yourself, do it for me! 
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On August 24 2013 23:04 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base. Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots. What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets? That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down. All other races have supply-less defence. you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker. 4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible. rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so? Against 3 or 4 zealots, maybe repair works.
You are so biased it's unbelievable. Even with no repairing and all Zealots attacking at once 4 Marines in a Bunker beat 4 Zealots. Funneled with Supply Depots/good positioning and it isn't even close.
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On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.
Because it is more interesting than only Koreans, and the tears on TL when Koreans get beaten by non-Koreans, which is impossible for many to comprehend, are fun.
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On August 24 2013 23:04 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 24 2013 23:00 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2013 22:58 Waxangel wrote:
Naniwa please win check pm so i can pass out How in the hell are you awake he's Canadian, hard worker 
Igloos are cold, it helps us stay awake
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EPT
