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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2761
Poor Naniwa.
Jaedong allowed to play one ZvP after the other. Big training advantage.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2762
FUCK YES. Apollo and Artosis!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2763
This ReDeYe/Chobra combo is so so good.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2764
On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.

Maybe because some people ignore all the petty things and root for players with great work ethic and for their play.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
August 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#2765
On August 24 2013 23:07 juvenal wrote:
How do you even root for naniwa: whines when loses, acts like the golden mouse owner when wins, bm regardless. I can understand swedes but all the others i dunno.

he's not a very sympathetic guy, that's for sure. but he is a good player and he always provides some form of entertainment.

that being said, GO JAEDONG DESTROY THAT FILTHY PROTOSS!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Solid_J
Profile Joined February 2012
Norway18 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2766
Can it be..?

Is this the time when foreigners fight back?

Taking out the reigning champion of WCS Korea and the widely considered best player in the world its a good start.

Nani vs JD is going to be insane...

Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2767
On August 24 2013 23:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:06 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:58 Waxangel wrote:
Naniwa please win


check pm so i can pass out


How in the hell are you awake


passion

and ff14


That's gotta be like +10 passion soon


I made it to +7 passion, not too terrible.
eusoc
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy82 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2768
On August 24 2013 22:58 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 22:56 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 Exarl25 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:52 Raambo11 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.


When your maxed as terran you can't defend until you lose supply if your army is on the other side of the map. Either that or wait for a production cycle and take damage meanwhile.


If the Protoss is dedicating supply to harassment then the Terran must dedicate supply to defense. Splitting your army is so hard? And people complain about deathballs.

Both armies don't have the same supply-efficiency at all; park 20 army supply to defend Zealots raids and suddenly your core army melts so badly.


Bunkers + repair vastly improves the supply efficiency of the Terran defense.

Zealots barely care about Bunkers, see how First could easily break aLive's bunker in the Whirlwind game. Protoss can commit much more supply to harassment than Terran can to defend because of defensive Storms.



6+ zealots is 600+ resources(and warpgate been busy), while a bunker with marines is half the minerals, and you can stim marines, repair the bunker and use depots to reduce the surface area. And terrans have PF. He was just better at multi-pronged attacks and map control than aLive was
Dubag
Profile Joined March 2006
Australia82 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2769
Is it just me or are they playing oldschool Total Annihilation music?
DRG | MC | Gumiho | Soulkey | Effort
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 14:09:37
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2770
On August 24 2013 23:07 Fyzar wrote:
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On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.

Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots.


What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets?


That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down.

All other races have supply-less defence.

you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker.


4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible.

rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so?


First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran.

Do you feel that Terran is the weakest race?

Genuine question, I'm curious.


I feel its the best race with highest potential if you perfectly read it with perfect mechanics behind it. I feel its very unforgiving and easy to break apart on the other hand. IF the game goes your way and you play it perfectly, you can completely destroy, but if you make mistakes, you don't come back easily if at all.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2771
On August 24 2013 23:07 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 23:06 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 23:00 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:59 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:55 NarutO wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:54 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 22:48 Swisslink wrote:
aLive's multitasking just completely fell apart. It wasn't only the storms but also the fact that aLive did absolutely nothing to defend in his base.

Maybe because he had nothing to defend? SCVs don't do that well against upgraded Zealots.


What can a terran player do then? Like produce a ton of turrets?


That is one of the often voiced complains with Terran. We have no supply-less defence that is actually worth getting. In lategame zealot/dt runbys or warpins don't care about the planetary, they still kill your economy or make you run. Not to mention you cannot get planetaries everywhere and if your economy runs, it can also go down.

All other races have supply-less defence.

you have less worker supply though (because of the mule) therefore you can hvae more units, so you can leave 4 rines in a bunker.


4 marines in a bunker don't defend shit in lategame. And we have less workers, because our army is neither cost nor supply efficient. We need to have as much mainarmy together as possible.

rines in a bunker do defend harassment quite well when you repair the bunker. "don't defend shit" is quite an exaggeration, don't you think so?


First of all you would actualy react perfectly, because a bunker that is surrounded is down in less than the amount of time needed to reach that bunker to repair, secondly if its well positioned zealots can still hold position. If DTs are warped in in addition, you cannot counter-repair. As said and seen in tons of games, its a huge concern for Terran.

I heard that building things around Bunkers prevents Zealots from getting to them so quickly.

You know, the same way Protoss has to build Pylons/Gateways around Cannons in PvZ..?



EDIT:

Harassment is hard to deal with for all races in all match-ups.

Please...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2772
Maybe [A] can take both WCS and TI :3
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2773
On August 24 2013 23:07 NSGrendel wrote:
In Jaedong vs Naniwa, I suspect whoever wins the first game will win the series. Naniwa is a great player, but I'm still not convinced he can take an early loss without folding.

i sort of agree with this
this is a quote
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2774
I REALLY dislike Naniwa's go-to PVZ strat, lol. I don't think JD can pull it off. I suspect he's going to mass-hydra himself to death
Refer to my post.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2775
Hehehehe

김경덕 ‏@positive2duck 1m
JD GOGOGO GOGOGOGO
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2776
How was scarlett vs maru?
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2777
a pity they did not schedule this as the last 1/4
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 14:09:51
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2778
On August 24 2013 23:06 Kabras wrote:
plz naniwa win and kick eg out of tourney. thx.


Yeah. Go Alliance, EG sucks!

...
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2779
Yikes only 66k viewers for JD vs Naniwa. Not even at a bad time either
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
August 24 2013 14:09 GMT
#2780
Honestly, the Alliance must find some decent clothes to Naniwa. An uniform will be perfect.
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