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On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS. All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well. Yes. What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes.
agreed. but marines can shoot up, their scaling is much more effective in the late game.
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Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.
If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.
A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.
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On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up.
Kind of a strange flip from last season's distribution which had 3 Protoss 5 Terran and 8 Zergs with 3 foreigners competing in total.
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On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up.
Zerg needs buff. Reverse Infestor nerf!
Lol but seriously, I do think Zerg can use a bit of a buff. Early to mid game hasn't changed all that much for Zerg imo. But then Zerg players stopped using Roach-Hydra as well, which imo was a very good unit composition.
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On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.
it's less balance than why marines are so gud (and thor suck so hard :D)
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On August 12 2013 11:52 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:50 redviper wrote:On August 12 2013 11:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
I don't know if Scarlett would have had a better shot vs Polt.
I uh... shouldn't have bet with my inner fanboy... knew Polt was going to be unstoppable. Its shocking that JD seems to have more fans than Polt. This guy is studying in the US, learning english, practicing on his own on the ladder, and still winning ridiculously high number of tournaments. He is outclassing other people without the facilities and the infrastructure. He is a real talent! I was never into BW, so the lemming like fanboyism for JD is quite intriguing to me 
Jaedong single-handily saved Oz, ZvT and zerg all in the ballerest way imaginable. If you even touched bw its impossible not to be a fan.
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On August 12 2013 12:00 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS. All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well. Yes. What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes. imo marines have two big advantages: the fact they're ranged which means scale really well in numbers and the fact they've such a wonderful synergy with medivacs.
They also have Stim, which compounds the upgrades even more.
Similar to how Adrenal Glands compound to help Zergling upgrades.
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On August 12 2013 12:01 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.
If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death. A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.
Innovation out GG
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On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.
If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.
Technically, a group could get both yeah? Dun dun dunnn.
Is there any method to the group distribution? Like does each group have to have at least 1 of NA, EU and KR? Or is it just group leaders then random draw?
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On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.
Nobody is questioning his awesomeness.
But the question is should he be able to dominate JD so badly?
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On August 12 2013 12:01 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.
If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death. A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.
I feel MMA would not do so well in that group
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United States15275 Posts
On August 12 2013 12:00 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS. All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well. Yes. What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes. imo marines have two big advantages: the fact they're ranged which means scale really well in numbers and the fact they've such a wonderful synergy with medivacs.
The main issue in the current TvZ metagame is that zerg has not figured out their proper hive timing and swarm hosts are utterly useless against bio-mine.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 12 2013 11:54 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Meh, why would JD 6 pool Scarlett then. Might have been North American in finals against the American. Might have been 4-1 for Polt, not the complete stomp.
Either way: gratz Polt, good luck at season finals, especially considering you should feel comfortable across all those tosses and terrans (and JD with Scarlett lol). Well, you know, JD kind of wanted to win.
Absolutely understandable decision, not gonna blame him on doing what he can to win (after all i was not blaming Maru for 3-0 1 basing/cheesing Inno into outplaying). But i can dream, right?
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On August 12 2013 12:01 bigbadgreen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS. All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well. Yes. What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes. agreed. but marines can shoot up, their scaling is much more effective in the late game.
Not if you don't factor in Medivacs which most people tend to forget.
3/3 Marines on their own are basically on the same level as Zealots and Zerglings with the same upgrades if not weaker. It's their synergy with Medivacs that makes them appear so powerful.
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On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.
I'm not saying polt didn't play outstanding. I think the issue gets shown more with better terran players. so the better players will show off the issues in a much more stated way.
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On August 12 2013 12:01 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up. Zerg needs buff. Reverse Infestor nerf! Lol but seriously, I do think Zerg can use a bit of a buff. Early to mid game hasn't changed all that much for Zerg imo. But then Zerg players stopped using Roach-Hydra as well, which imo was a very good unit composition.
After those games I legitimately considered a de-nerf of Fungal to help Zerg out, lol. And I seriously hate anti-micro spellcasting. :D
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On August 12 2013 12:02 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:52 Greendotz wrote:On August 12 2013 11:50 redviper wrote:On August 12 2013 11:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
I don't know if Scarlett would have had a better shot vs Polt.
I uh... shouldn't have bet with my inner fanboy... knew Polt was going to be unstoppable. Its shocking that JD seems to have more fans than Polt. This guy is studying in the US, learning english, practicing on his own on the ladder, and still winning ridiculously high number of tournaments. He is outclassing other people without the facilities and the infrastructure. He is a real talent! I was never into BW, so the lemming like fanboyism for JD is quite intriguing to me Jaedong single-handily saved Oz, ZvT and zerg all in the ballerest way imaginable. If you even touched bw its impossible not to be a fan.
Also, you can't say you never followed BW and then call it 'lemming like fanboyism'. Just admit that you don't understand why he is special, and be open to an explanation.
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How does Polt keep doing it? Does he still play on KR servers from Texas with low enough ping? He has no teammates either to have efficient/optimal preparation/practice for tournaments...Is he a genius? Nada? I mean he still goes to school fulltime as well...
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