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Stop the balance whining please.
bigbadgreen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States142 Posts
August 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#3801
On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS.


All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well.


Yes.

What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes.



agreed. but marines can shoot up, their scaling is much more effective in the late game.
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 03:01:35
August 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#3802
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#3803
On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.

If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.


A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#3804
On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up.


Kind of a strange flip from last season's distribution which had 3 Protoss 5 Terran and 8 Zergs with 3 foreigners competing in total.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
August 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#3805
On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up.

Zerg needs buff. Reverse Infestor nerf!

Lol but seriously, I do think Zerg can use a bit of a buff. Early to mid game hasn't changed all that much for Zerg imo. But then Zerg players stopped using Roach-Hydra as well, which imo was a very good unit composition.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3806
On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.


it's less balance than why marines are so gud (and thor suck so hard :D)
Zest fanboy.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3807
On August 12 2013 11:52 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:50 redviper wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
I don't know if Scarlett would have had a better shot vs Polt.

I uh... shouldn't have bet with my inner fanboy... knew Polt was going to be unstoppable.


Its shocking that JD seems to have more fans than Polt. This guy is studying in the US, learning english, practicing on his own on the ladder, and still winning ridiculously high number of tournaments. He is outclassing other people without the facilities and the infrastructure. He is a real talent!


I was never into BW, so the lemming like fanboyism for JD is quite intriguing to me

Jaedong single-handily saved Oz, ZvT and zerg all in the ballerest way imaginable. If you even touched bw its impossible not to be a fan.
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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3808
On August 12 2013 12:00 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS.


All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well.


Yes.

What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes.


imo marines have two big advantages: the fact they're ranged which means scale really well in numbers and the fact they've such a wonderful synergy with medivacs.

They also have Stim, which compounds the upgrades even more.

Similar to how Adrenal Glands compound to help Zergling upgrades.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3809
On August 12 2013 12:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.

If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.


A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.


Innovation out GG
Zest fanboy.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3810
On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.

If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.


Technically, a group could get both yeah? Dun dun dunnn.

Is there any method to the group distribution? Like does each group have to have at least 1 of NA, EU and KR? Or is it just group leaders then random draw?
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3325 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3811
On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.

Nobody is questioning his awesomeness.
But the question is should he be able to dominate JD so badly?
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3812
On August 12 2013 12:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:58 Fionn wrote:
It'll probably be Polt, Maru, and Duckdeok as group leaders, and then the highest points earner as the other top seed, and that being Innovation.

If that's how it goes, whatever group gets Rain or Taeja will be the groups of death.


A group of Innovation MMA Taeja Bomber. TvT heaven.


I feel MMA would not do so well in that group
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#3813
On August 12 2013 12:00 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS.


All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well.


Yes.

What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes.


imo marines have two big advantages: the fact they're ranged which means scale really well in numbers and the fact they've such a wonderful synergy with medivacs.


The main issue in the current TvZ metagame is that zerg has not figured out their proper hive timing and swarm hosts are utterly useless against bio-mine.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3814
On August 12 2013 11:54 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Meh, why would JD 6 pool Scarlett then. Might have been North American in finals against the American. Might have been 4-1 for Polt, not the complete stomp.
Either way: gratz Polt, good luck at season finals, especially considering you should feel comfortable across all those tosses and terrans (and JD with Scarlett lol).


Well, you know, JD kind of wanted to win.

Absolutely understandable decision, not gonna blame him on doing what he can to win (after all i was not blaming Maru for 3-0 1 basing/cheesing Inno into outplaying). But i can dream, right?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3815
On August 12 2013 12:01 bigbadgreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:54 bigbadgreen wrote:
why does marine still scale so hard with upgrades now that there are mines? in WOL I can understand why, but not in HOTS.


All base-mineral units scale well with upgrades. Zerglings and zealots benefit greatly as well.


Yes.

What makes 3/3 marines so deadly is their low initial cost and 1 supply cost. Same is true also for Zealots and Zerglings. The cheaper the unit the more worthwhile upgrading it becomes.



agreed. but marines can shoot up, their scaling is much more effective in the late game.


Not if you don't factor in Medivacs which most people tend to forget.

3/3 Marines on their own are basically on the same level as Zealots and Zerglings with the same upgrades if not weaker. It's their synergy with Medivacs that makes them appear so powerful.
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bigbadgreen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States142 Posts
August 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3816
On August 12 2013 12:01 below66 wrote:
Most of you have great points, but at least make sure to say Polt deserved it after your complaints. Because he's an awesome player and you take that away every time you talk about balance.


I'm not saying polt didn't play outstanding. I think the issue gets shown more with better terran players. so the better players will show off the issues in a much more stated way.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
August 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3817
On August 12 2013 12:01 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So, of the 16 spots that are currently decided in the finals, currently we have 5 foreigners vs 11 koreans, and 8 Toss, 6 Terran and 2 Zerg. Zerg really need to step it up.

Zerg needs buff. Reverse Infestor nerf!

Lol but seriously, I do think Zerg can use a bit of a buff. Early to mid game hasn't changed all that much for Zerg imo. But then Zerg players stopped using Roach-Hydra as well, which imo was a very good unit composition.


After those games I legitimately considered a de-nerf of Fungal to help Zerg out, lol. And I seriously hate anti-micro spellcasting. :D
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3818
On August 12 2013 12:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:52 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:50 redviper wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
I don't know if Scarlett would have had a better shot vs Polt.

I uh... shouldn't have bet with my inner fanboy... knew Polt was going to be unstoppable.


Its shocking that JD seems to have more fans than Polt. This guy is studying in the US, learning english, practicing on his own on the ladder, and still winning ridiculously high number of tournaments. He is outclassing other people without the facilities and the infrastructure. He is a real talent!


I was never into BW, so the lemming like fanboyism for JD is quite intriguing to me

Jaedong single-handily saved Oz, ZvT and zerg all in the ballerest way imaginable. If you even touched bw its impossible not to be a fan.


Also, you can't say you never followed BW and then call it 'lemming like fanboyism'. Just admit that you don't understand why he is special, and be open to an explanation.
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UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 03:04:21
August 12 2013 03:04 GMT
#3819
How does Polt keep doing it? Does he still play on KR servers from Texas with low enough ping? He has no teammates either to have efficient/optimal preparation/practice for tournaments...Is he a genius? Nada? I mean he still goes to school fulltime as well...
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jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 12 2013 03:04 GMT
#3820
Current WCS Points standings

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

Polt jumps into 3rd place... with a decent chance at go 2nd should do half-decently at upcoming Season Finals. Jaedong in 7th, poised to jump into 4th or at least 6th.
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