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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:19 Rhaegal wrote: 12 rax is sooo sub optimal.. no way Soulkey expected that. As ironic as that is, theres less chance of winning with 12 rax then with ccfirst high ground in my career of 6pooling | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:21 PerSe wrote: still no way supernova is beating soulkey in a macro game Inc 2 base timing for a 2-0  | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:20 NovemberstOrm wrote: It's taking a risk. He felt the chances were good enough. I'd call it flipping a coin. This is more than just taking a risk, either your opponent did CC first and you win or he didn't and you lose. There are also some maps where you can defend a 6-pool with CC first on the high ground by re-walling with an E-Bay but that doesn't work on Newkirk. So it's really just flipping a coin | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:17 Vertitto wrote: as much i love Supernova i would like to SoulKey at gamescom. Looking on am/eu ro16 groups we may not have many zergs in season finals yeah no Zergs would make it a bit boring, but Protoss would rip through the Terrans so we get a Protoss winner most likely. | ||
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
So... whoever's not a Terran, go go go! | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:25 Pandemona wrote: lol BFH. Yes more WOL builds :3 Only now it's not ass in in a straight up fight. :D | ||
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Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
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Sokrates
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On August 06 2013 19:16 Destructicon wrote: Over the past 4 months of release in the GSL/OSL, MLG's, WCS, GSTL and Proleague I've seen countless protosses just lose to that late game zerg composition, either by bleeding out units slowly and surely or by miss microing during the critical attack and getting crushed. What First did was absolutely incredible and its quite a shame you are too zerg biassed to see the beauty behind his subtle actions. And even if a roach hydra switch would have cleaned up the attack, First's would have reacted appropriately by warping in deffensively and then switching into immortal, archon voids and would have crushed Symbol with the follow up attack, roach, hydra is just trash at that stage of the game if the toss plays it out correctly. But since I see you are adamant to stick to your flawed point lets agree to disagree. 1.Once you get to that point in zvsp as a zerg on this map this composition symbol had is broken. Yet toss is incredibly overpowered against zerg these days. Still i think this composition, once you get to this point, you shouldnt lose as a zerg on this map. A stephano would have never ever lost to this. Not even gowser. 2.Symbol did a couple of mistakes, for example cutting drones too early, not playing more greedy and having not enough static defense. Nothing first did here was good he went for a burst that he got lucky with. And even that was bad play. Voids were spread apart from each other so symbol could pick them off. His zealots warpins were ridicolous. He got the greater spire 2x, that was all symbols fault, not firsts good play. He even lost 15 zealots in between the third and forth base doing nothing but fighting broodlords. Not even getting symbol out of position. Plain bad play by first, symbol just did very stupid mistakes. 3.Both used up all their banks, they had NO minerals and gas left. The problem was that symbol spent all his minerals AND HIS HUGE GAS BANK (he had like 4k gas much more than first)by making mutas. If he could reenforce with roaches, he can clean up this massive warpins with them very mineral and gas efficient. Both had no banks but symbol would have had a huge gas bank, he could make a shitload of infesters. And it takes a long time till first has an army to push again. In this time symbol could set up his defense again. So all in all, really bad play by first. Symbol just made a lot of mistakes that he never ever should have made. No "subtle" actions of first. Well if you think fighting with zealots against broodlords is subtle... | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:22 Yello wrote: I'd call it flipping a coin. This is more than just taking a risk, either your opponent did CC first and you win or he didn't and you lose. There are also some maps where you can defend a 6-pool with CC first on the high ground by re-walling with an E-Bay but that doesn't work on Newkirk. So it's really just flipping a coin I would call it poor preparation, okay they mention there haven't been alot ov vZ from Supernova, but Reapers are just so Supernova. And the 6 pool overstayed its welcome anyway, almost no Terran risks anything anymore on the big maps, because it is so common. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:25 Daralii wrote: Only now it's not ass in in a straight up fight. :D LOL xd OOOOOOO Smart SuperNova is Smart. BFH to get the old Hellbat damage back to go PEWPEW all the Zerg xD | ||
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Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 06 2013 19:26 Sokrates wrote: 1.Once you get to that point in zvsp as a zerg on this map this composition symbol had is broken. Yet toss is incredibly overpowered against zerg these days. Still i think this composition once you get to this point you shouldnt lose as a zerg on this map. A stephano would have never ever lost to this. Not even gowser. Stephano has the advantage of probably understanding zvp better then anyone | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Pandemona
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