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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 20:13:21
August 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#1681
On August 06 2013 05:12 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:10 stuchiu wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.


Funnily enough a sentry with hallucination can do all of these things.


Not really

It cant jump, can it?


Fake phoenixes are better than Reapers for scouting anyway.
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Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
August 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#1682
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss hid his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).

I agree, the scan should reveal 100% of the map and atleast for 2 minutes...
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12533 Posts
August 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#1683
On August 06 2013 05:12 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss hid his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).


No race has perfect scouting, I don't really see the problem.


Well we have perfect scouting in PvT because we already know from the start what the terran's gonna do every game.
No will to live, no wish to die
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#1684
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss his his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).


I'm being facetious for the sake of argument and exaggerating because I think Terran has few issues with scouting. Your drops are going to be doing scouting when you're dropping, and scans really are one of the premier tools of gaining information even if you can - and do - miss.
dohgg
Profile Joined February 2011
310 Posts
August 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#1685
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.


well i will replace any of these "great" methods of scouting for a flying invisble unit or hallucinated phoneix both of them almost free, and guarnteed to scout a huge almost unlimted area on the map - unlike the "great" method you mentioned
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#1686
On August 06 2013 05:11 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:10 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Where are the moderators? Some stupid balance whining going on in this thread.

This is normal when the favorite loses. Just ignore it.

Report and move on is the appropriate response!
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#1687
On August 06 2013 05:12 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:10 habeck wrote:
Well, i wont watch Wcs eu, if Mvp fails to advance


Are any of your posts NOT MvP fanboy QQ?

I really like MvP, but his fans are driving me up the wall lately.


we've reached the day where mvp is the one with the annoying fanboys? how things have changed ...
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#1688
On August 06 2013 05:10 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.


Funnily enough a sentry with hallucination can do all of these things.

Not the magical vision from outer space
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#1689
Only 1 hour 45 minutes until the real WCS begins.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
August 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#1690
Could we see a EUholdz again today? hmm, i dont think so, mvp not gonna slip twice, but its more exciting now
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1691
so damn good tactical and clever play by hasu !

Schneider fightin'
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1692
On August 06 2013 05:07 Sogetsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:03 Megiddosc wrote:
Apollo is sitting there talking about how cloak for ghosts could be a problem when there is only one ghost on the map and none being built. Meanwhile he makes ZERO mention of the factory being taken down meaning that Mvp could not build more starports.

I don't know why people say WCS NA has bad casters, because that is one of the worst I've heard in a while. Why in the world would he talk about cloak when there was only one ghost? Please Apollo, watch the game.


Yeah exactly the same I thought XD, when the Factory was destroyed and he didn't scout the Colossi I said "Ok, GG, no Vikings on time never in life", but Apollo keep talking about Cloak, dafuq? Also the Envission from Oracle could be enough, he got it alive all the match, what a good Stargate play, not massive SkyToss, just the needed

Oh please. He mentioned it once. And it could have been a problem because that means they can snipe the templar and Hasu was using storms to keep the colossi alive. I'm not sure why not having a factory would be worth mentioning when he could have pumped out enough vikings from the reactor'd starport to help with the defense against the 4 colossi. He didn't scout the colossi in time. Having a factory wouldn't have helped him defend. Apollo's analysis is always about what could a player possibly lose to at a given point and I think he did a great job. Cloaked ghosts turned out to be a non-issue but that was literally the only thing Hasu could have lost to at that point.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1693
On August 06 2013 05:12 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss hid his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).


No race has perfect scouting, I don't really see the problem.


hallucination+obs is perfect scouting, how can it not be? Relying on scans to scout is retarded on the other hand. It's like playing the lottery.
"In the name of Holy Terra I challenge, Take up arms, for the Emperor’s Justice falls on you!"
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1694
On August 06 2013 05:13 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:12 Roman666 wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:11 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:10 stuchiu wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.


Funnily enough a sentry with hallucination can do all of these things.


Not really

It cant jump, can it?


Fake phoenixes are better than Reapers for scouting anyway.

Fake phoenix scouts can be risky though, the loss of 100 energy could lose you a critical engagement, as it has for me several times.
TwitchTV as Maaasked I stream hots (rarely)
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1695
Just came home and FUCK YES Hasuobs . Need to watch the vods asap.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
August 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#1696
On August 06 2013 05:10 habeck wrote:
Well, i wont watch Wcs eu, if Mvp fails to advance

I would post a care-o-meter pic, but I am afraid that would give me a temp-ban.

Just to mention it though: No one cares.
GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
August 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#1697
On August 06 2013 05:13 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss his his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).


I'm being facetious for the sake of argument and exaggerating because I think Terran has few issues with scouting. Your drops are going to be doing scouting when you're dropping, and scans really are one of the premier tools of gaining information even if you can - and do - miss.


they should make scans cheaper and mules a bit more expensive, something like 35 = scan and 55= mule
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#1698
On August 06 2013 05:13 Strela wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss hid his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).

I agree, the scan should reveal 100% of the map and atleast for 2 minutes...

You sir won the internets for today
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
August 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#1699
On August 06 2013 05:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:12 Crownlol wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:10 habeck wrote:
Well, i wont watch Wcs eu, if Mvp fails to advance


Are any of your posts NOT MvP fanboy QQ?

I really like MvP, but his fans are driving me up the wall lately.


we've reached the day where mvp is the one with the annoying fanboys? how things have changed ...


Anything that beats mvp is imba, mvp always plays SO GOOD.
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
August 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#1700
On August 06 2013 05:13 Strela wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:11 TheDwf wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:08 Heartland wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:07 dohgg wrote:
Another case of a prottos hiding his colossus... terrans need a better scouting ability then hitting a money scan to find these transitions.


It's almost like they need a fast, regenerating unit which can jump up cliffs.

Or a flying unit which is faster than anything in the game to fly over the army.

Or a magical vision from afar they can activate for free and which can't be blocked.

Yep, you're totally going to fly over HTs/Phoenixes with your Medivac to see Protoss' whole base. Noticed how Mvp's first scan in the game missed the Stargate? So much for your "magical vision" which doesn't tell you where Protoss hid his tech (and isn't free at all by the way, no idea what you're talking about).

I agree, the scan should reveal 100% of the map and atleast for 2 minutes...


2 minutes? What are you going to see in 2 minutes? That is way too short of a time period!
You need to construct additional pylons.
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