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Arceus

Vietnam8333 Posts

August 01 2013 10:12 GMT

#1601

shit Rain might tilt real hard if he loses this map

BakedButters

United States748 Posts

August 01 2013 10:12 GMT

#1602

This map is so unfavorable for protoss

Fyzar

Netherlands8010 Posts

August 01 2013 10:12 GMT

#1603

Star Station so hard ;<.

Shellshock

United States97277 Posts

August 01 2013 10:12 GMT

#1604

On August 01 2013 19:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:

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6:00
Dark shrine for Rain
tech lab for Bomber
2 more gas for Rain
ebay for Bomber
stim research for Bomber
another gate for Rain
warp prism for Rain

7:00

47 vs

49
Factory for Bomber
another gas for Bomber
+1 attack started for Bomber
Forge for Rain
observer for Rain
2 more rax for Bomber

8:00

58 vs

64
Starport for Bomber
Rain scouts the hidden base of Bomber with a probe
immortal started for Rain
2 more gates for Rain
DT drop in the main of Bomber
Bomber floating away his hidden base
+1 armor for Rain

9:00

64 vs

69
Bomber blocking his building turret with marines
the DT escapes from the scan
DT in the natural mineral line killing more scvs
15 scvs have died
another DT killing a supply depot
charge research started for Rain
medivacs for Bomber
2 more gates for Rain
combat shields for bomber

10:00

79 vs

70
Bomber lands his 3rd OC at a typical 3rd base location in front of his main
Templar archives for Rain
+1 armor for bomber
concussive shells for Bomber

11:00

91 vs

89
3rd base for Rain
zealot and DT drop in the main of Bomber
+2 armor for Rain
Bomber has his army moving across the map in medivacs
storm research started for Rain

12:00

97 vs

90
Bomber drops the main of Rain with his army
photon overcharge on the main nexus but bomber just targets it down
Bomber moves his drop to the 3rd of Rain
units in the main of Bomber are cleaned up
DTs force a lift on Bomber's 3rd
Rain saves his 3rd Nexus

13:00

104 vs

88
Rain rebuilding his main nexus
Bomber moves back in and takes out the 3rd of Rain
Bomber sending more units across the map

14:00

116 vs

104
Bomber looking for a place to drop his army
drop in the main of Rain
Rain is able to force the drop away
Bomber harassing with his drop still
Bomber loads up his reinforcements and drops them all into Rain's main

15:00

118 vs

120
Bomber splits against the storm
+1 attack for Rain
forge of Rain is killed off
Rain warping in DTs somewhere
Bomber sending more units across the map
drop in the natural and main of Rain
forge rebuilding for RAin
DTs in the main of Bomber kill the turret in the mineral line

Vindicare605

United States16126 Posts

August 01 2013 10:12 GMT

#1605

On August 01 2013 19:10 ZenithM wrote:

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On August 01 2013 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote:

On August 01 2013 19:03 ZenithM wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:59 Vindicare605 wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:57 ZenithM wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:51 Vindicare605 wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:49 ZenithM wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:

On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.

I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.

The thing is, Terran doesn't need any buff right now. And making more strats viable is a pretty strong buff in itself, other races have to be ready for more stuff. It would probably have to come with some kind of nerf. I'm not sure they would be willing to fuck up Terran as it is now just to buff mech :D

Buffing Mech doesn't have to affect Bio the two are completely exclusive playstyles.

It doesn't work like that. Every viable strat you add to a race, no matter how independant from the already available options, is something more your opponents have to prepare for. For example, let's say that some matchup is at 50% winrate but side A doesn't need to invest in scouting options because they know what side B is doing. Add a completely different offensive option to B and now A has to scout, hence possibly shifting the balance.

It's good for variety, but not so straightforward for balance.

By that logic, this game should have EXACTLY 1 playstyle that's viable per match up and players are only allowed to play that style every game in order to ensure the best possible balance we can ever have.

Please spare me. You can have your cake and eat it too. This game can have more diversity and still be balanced. Brood War managed to do it, WoL in its earlier iterations managed to do it. HoTS can do it also.

Pushing for more diversity in order to stave off the kind of metagame stagnation we saw at the end of WoL should be a priority. It's better for the players playing, and its better for the spectators. It just improves the game.

Obviously it improves the game haha, never said the contrary ;D
I'm just saying that Blizzard just won't "go for the obvious needed mech buff" while they can barely figure out how to balance the game as is. And remember, they tried to push for mech with HotS. It just failed, unfortunately. Maybe for LotV, but you won't see some huge mech re-design before that imo.

They half-assed their supposed "mech focus" in the beta.

I was there, I submitted thread after thread of feedback and suggestions, I was one of dozens of Terrans doing it on just the NA forums alone.

They didn't listen to any of the feedback we had regarding the difficulties facing the Siege Tank. As far as they were concerned unless we were talking about how bad the Helbat was in early beta they weren't interested in hearing it.

It may also be complicated by the fact that mech is not /obviously/ good from a spectator point of view and the focus Blizzard have currently in their balance changes (more fast stuff, more action blahblahblah).
As far as I'm concerned for example, mech is boring to play (almost always), and boring to watch, unless played by like 5 people in the world. I wouldn't want to watch the incoming foreigner T vs foreigner T mech camping borefest, but I might very well watch them mismicro their bio units miserably. At least it ends faster.

Oh please, if Mech sucked to watch and play do you really think so many Terrans would be lobbying for it all the time?

Even if it WAS boring, there needs to be SOME alternative to Bio in every match vs Zerg and Protoss. There currently isn't one, it's either go Bio or go home.