You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?
Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?
There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.
So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.
I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.
DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.
Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.
On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.
Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.
srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?
soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think
So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.
No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.
So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community. David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.
dude.. you're really not understanding...
there's only 3-5 maybe of top top tier protoss and terran right now as well.. being at the highest level of play (innovation, first, soulkey) is just totally different than the level of the players you're familiar with in foreign tournaments.
I understand there's always a player better than all the others, like innovation, life soulkey did. But a top 3 zerg in the world is not a top tier player? you really need to refine your definition of top tier. Or maybe you mean the best.
no.. top tier is defined by level of skill, not your rank in the number of zergs.
the gap between soulkey and hyun is HUGE. this is why soulkey is a top top tier player and hyun just isnt. even if hyun is #2 zerg in the world (he's not) this could still be valid just because of the gap between #1 and #2.
it just so happens that i believe there are currently a few more players at this top top tier for protoss and terran than zerg. this isnt a balance complaint, as the game is great right now, just an observation of how things happen to be now.
You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?
Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?
There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.
So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.
I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.
DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.
Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.
On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.
Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.
srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?
soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think
So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.
No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.
So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community. David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.
dude.. you're really not understanding...
there's only 3-5 maybe of top top tier protoss and terran right now as well.. being at the highest level of play (innovation, first, soulkey) is just totally different than the level of the players you're familiar with in foreign tournaments.
I understand there's always a player better than all the others, like innovation, life soulkey did. But a top 3 zerg in the world is not a top tier player? you really need to refine your definition of top tier. Or maybe you mean the best.
This. And it's not like everyone is comparing polt with innovation (it was just one guy). The point is that discounting Hyun as a foreigner-farmer is pretty short-sighted considering the players he's beaten and the bigger influx of Koreans in said tournaments.
Seriously wtf is this hype about soulkey now being a million gazillion times better than any other zerg? feels like yesterday when Life was supposedly the next best player after god, or when DRG was that guy. Hyun is just as good as any other Zerg and has a chance to win on any given day against anyone.
there are currently a few more players at this top top tier for protoss and terran than zerg
There isn't a single top tier protoss player, because protoss players are incapable of winning tournaments consistently. Supposedly this is just a coincidence. Noone skilled enough wants to play protoss, apparently.
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote: I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.
HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol
You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?
Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?
There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.
So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.
I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.
DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.
Did you see soo's games vs gumiho last week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.
You're stubborn. Why are you even watching this tournament? If HerO and MC aren't good players who is that's left? ^_^
I just have higher standards when it comes to throwing around the term top tier because that's a small elite class of players. I still have a great time watching tourneys.
On July 27 2013 15:23 xyzz wrote: Seriously wtf is this hype about soulkey now being a million gazillion times better than any other zerg? feels like yesterday when Life was supposedly the next best player after god, or when DRG was that guy. Hyun is just as good as any other Zerg and has a chance to win on any given day against anyone.
Soulkey won the most recent GSL. Everyone else fell off. Still no love for most consistent Zerg ever Symbol.
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote: [quote] Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?
There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.
So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.
I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.
DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe
Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.
soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.
Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.
On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote: [quote]
YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.
Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.
srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?
soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think
So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.
No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.
So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community. David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.
dude.. you're really not understanding...
there's only 3-5 maybe of top top tier protoss and terran right now as well.. being at the highest level of play (innovation, first, soulkey) is just totally different than the level of the players you're familiar with in foreign tournaments.
I understand there's always a player better than all the others, like innovation, life soulkey did. But a top 3 zerg in the world is not a top tier player? you really need to refine your definition of top tier. Or maybe you mean the best.
This. And it's not like everyone is comparing polt with innovation (it was just one guy). The point is that discounting Hyun as a foreigner-farmer is pretty short-sighted considering the players he's beaten and the bigger influx of Koreans in said tournaments.
well.. he kind of is a foreigner-farmer. do you think he just prefers the weather in foreign tournaments? why wouldn't he want to win the most prestigious starcraft tournament in the world against his korean peers? it's because he's winning over here...why stop?
EPT
Puzzle, 
YugiOh, 
TheStC, 
At least yet in the tournament. 
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