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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:06:02
July 27 2013 06:05 GMT
#721
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
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On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
[quote]
HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
July 27 2013 06:06 GMT
#722
He was ready to storm most of those hydras with 4... sucks he forgot to research.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:20:13
July 27 2013 06:06 GMT
#723
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote:
I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.

HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake this week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
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On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
[quote]

You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
July 27 2013 06:07 GMT
#724
On July 27 2013 15:05 Elite_ wrote:
TitaN beating MyuNgSiK was an upset? http://www.aligulac.com/players/1709/results/?after=&before=&race=p&nats=all&bo=all&offline=offline&game=HotS


Myungsik takes 1 game off Innovation and all of a sudden he's the next Protoss superstar. His poor proleague performance is much more indicative of his skill.
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Relaaja
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland193 Posts
July 27 2013 06:11 GMT
#725
Ok, there are one top tier zerg in the world. Korean leagues are not that hard either because there are only couple top tier players there. There are zero top tier tournaments in the world. Great thinking.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
July 27 2013 06:11 GMT
#726
222 incoming?
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:13:45
July 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#727
On July 27 2013 15:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote:
I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.

HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho last week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

You're stubborn. Why are you even watching this tournament? If HerO and MC aren't good players who is that's left? ^_^

On July 27 2013 15:07 HotGlueGun wrote:
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On July 27 2013 15:05 Elite_ wrote:
TitaN beating MyuNgSiK was an upset? http://www.aligulac.com/players/1709/results/?after=&before=&race=p&nats=all&bo=all&offline=offline&game=HotS


Myungsik takes 1 game off Innovation and all of a sudden he's the next Protoss superstar. His poor proleague performance is much more indicative of his skill.

Did you watch that game? His PvT was god-like... He's just fucking terrible at PvP hence why TitaN beating him isn't an upset.
scBaldwin
Profile Joined September 2012
United States111 Posts
July 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#728
On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
[quote]

You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

hyun is very good.. but you have to understand there's just a gap between players like soulkey and hyun. its like the gap between polt and innovation.. polt is great but innovation is just at a higher (the highest) level.
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Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
July 27 2013 06:12 GMT
#729
On July 27 2013 15:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote:
I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.

HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

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On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
[quote]
Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.

So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community.
David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.
scBaldwin
Profile Joined September 2012
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:15:57
July 27 2013 06:15 GMT
#730
On July 27 2013 15:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote:
I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.

HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
[quote]

There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.

So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community.
David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.

dude.. you're really not understanding...

there's only 3-5 maybe of top top tier protoss and terran right now as well.. being at the highest level of play (innovation, first, soulkey) is just totally different than the level of the players you're familiar with in foreign tournaments.
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Relaaja
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland193 Posts
July 27 2013 06:15 GMT
#731
On July 27 2013 15:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:23 Packawana wrote:
I want to see Polt up against the top Koreans. He is playing almost as well as Innovation right now.

HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
[quote]

There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.

So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community.
David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.


In a same way Innovation in only top tier terran and Rain is only top tier Protoss.
priestnoob
Profile Joined August 2011
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:17:19
July 27 2013 06:17 GMT
#732
Oh, Apollo... 'Farm my life. Go ahead, farm my life.'
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
July 27 2013 06:17 GMT
#733
On July 27 2013 15:15 scBaldwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:58 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:32 Elite_ wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:28 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:27 Elite_ wrote:
[quote]
HyuN isn't a top Korean? He's tied with Maru & JaeKong for rank 16 in WCS points... and he'll be tied with Rain for #15 once he beats Daisy and reaches the Ro8... lol


You really want to go by wcs points when hyun is farming wcs points from foreign tourneys and wcs na?

Yes. You think consistently getting top 8 at every single top tier foreign tournament is easy?


There's no such thing as a top tier foreign tourney competition wise anymore since the introduction of wcs. Europe never had a ton of koreans in their tourneys, so it's status quo there, but last MLG was the weakest level of competition since koreans started playing in them.

So yes, I don't think it's that impressive. A number of the top tier koreans could do the same if given the same opportunities. Foreign tourneys these day consist mainly of just koreans on foreign teams for the most part.

I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.

soO was OSL Ro16, HerO was the WCS America Season 1 champion, YugiOh is in the third round of Code A after falling out of the OSL Ro32 after losing to Flash and Soulkey, NaNiwa was the DreamHack Stockholm runner-up, LucifroN is the best foreigner right now, TheStC 29:00 http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias/b/432882074 pretty top tier taking a ~50 minute game off of Jaedong.


Did you see soo's games vs gumiho this week? Naniwa is good for a foreigner. Yugioh, I've already said is just ok. Hero got smashed at wcs finals. Lucifron is the most overrated foreigner and always chokes at lans compared to the hype people give him. Have you seen the stc play lately? He lost to huk for god's sake last week. He's been on a steady decline for a while now and was never top tier in the first place anyways.

On July 27 2013 15:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On July 27 2013 15:03 scBaldwin wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:57 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:56 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:50 lichter wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:45 Elite_ wrote:
[quote]
I'll list the notable opponents HyuN has beaten at each tournament since you're so stubborn.

DreamHack Stockholm - Puzzle, elfi, MC, NaNiwa, YugiOh, SaSe

DreamHack Summer - Daisy, Stephano, sLivko, TheStC, GuMiho

HomeStory Cup 7 - MaNa, HasuObs, viOLet, MC

MLG Spring - Bubbles, the Coach Park slayer, YugiOh, soO, Sound, HerO, HerO again

DreamHack Valencia - VortiX, TheStC, LucifroN, Goswser, Jaedong

SO EZ, YO. SO EZ.


Gumiho and Jaedong and possibly violet are the only 3 on that list I would classify as tough wins.


YugiOh was in OSL. He is better than Jaedong.


Well jaedong is a curious case because of how awful zvp is. I wouldn't really consider him top tier, but he's still decent at the other matchups. However, it is hard to gauge jaedong cause he has a lot of success at foreign tourneys too playing lesser competition. He did ok in proleague but was never dominant there. Yugioh has his moments, but I've never considered him a top zerg ever even during his peaks.

srsly, who do you think is top tier zerg? Care to give a zerg rank in your mind?

soulkey.. life from 6 months ago.. not much else. not as many top top tier zergs as there are protoss and terran right now i think

So if you're struggling to name 5 better zergs than Hyun, then wouldn't that mean he's relatively top-tier... Mind you I think Soulkey is a distant 1st from the rest of the zergs, but I'd lump Hyun into the huge bunch of lesser zergs.

No, because there doesn't have to be an equal distribution of top tier players per race.

So there's only one top tier zerg in the entire SC2 community.
David Kim must did a terrible job to this race.

dude.. you're really not understanding...

there's only 3-5 maybe of top top tier protoss and terran right now as well.. being at the highest level of play (innovation, first, soulkey) is just totally different than the level of the players you're familiar with in foreign tournaments.

I understand there's always a player better than all the others, like innovation, life soulkey did.
But a top 3 zerg in the world is not a top tier player? you really need to refine your definition of top tier. Or maybe you mean the best.
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
July 27 2013 06:18 GMT
#734
So I assume Apollo and Kaelaris like taxi drivers?
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 27 2013 06:18 GMT
#735
Whoa the mamacore just... phased out of existence?
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scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
July 27 2013 06:18 GMT
#736
"Taxi driver Hyun" is some tastosis level banter
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
July 27 2013 06:18 GMT
#737
so the venue closes in 2-3 hours (closes at 5pm, and its 2:18 PM right now)? will they have enough time for the RO8?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 27 2013 06:20 GMT
#738
Hyun too stronk.

The spores walking with the vipers was too sexy.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
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July 27 2013 06:20 GMT
#739
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July 27 2013 06:21 GMT
#740
Poll: Recommend Hyun vs Daisy Game 3?

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