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On July 23 2013 10:09 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:06 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 23 2013 10:05 DJHelium wrote:On July 23 2013 10:04 IntoTheheart wrote:
Does anyone know TvT well enough to say whether or not XY would've done better/won the game if he didn't lose as many SCVs and got his 3rd before TaeJa? If he doesn't lose SCVs and gets a third up he does better, yes. (I don't understand the question, I think.) Actually your response answers it really well, thanks. So does having one base over your opponent always form an advantage regardless of Mech or Bio/Tank? Thanks for the confirmation. Does having more supply over your opponent also form an advantage regardless of mech or bio/tank?
The more supply the better, but unit composition also matters. 200 supply of zerglings will not fare well against 200 supply of blue flame hellbats.
But no matter what composition you have, the more supply the better until you are maxed!
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Okay, so it's not all about supply or money in TvT then, thanks!
(I don't play TvT but I do a ton of 2v2s and I wanted to know about units and stuff like that)
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On July 23 2013 10:08 PanzerElite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:05 garbanzo wrote:On July 23 2013 10:01 PanzerElite wrote:On July 23 2013 09:56 garbanzo wrote:On July 23 2013 09:53 PanzerElite wrote:On July 23 2013 09:53 PanzerElite wrote:On July 23 2013 09:52 garbanzo wrote:
Wow, that game showed exactly what it means to have a difference in skill. Basically just a NR20 game with TaeJa just having a huge supply lead by the time he attacked. nr 20? lolool, xy added way too many buildings before producing. How is that relevant to the fact that nothing really happened in the first 20 mins? Okay, so maybe TaeJa was playing NR20 and XY missed the memo and was playing NR25. Do you call this NR 20, LOL NR20 is when both go 1 rax into 3 cc's and then 2 engie bays into even more infrastructure etc, Teaja wanted to banshee but he was completely shut down. XY tried to be very aggressive but that was denied by teaja. Plz, nr 20 what a joke. Yes, it was a joke; specifically, a hyperbole. And no, this isn't NR20 because relevant things are actually happening before the 20 min mark. I jokingly called it NR20 because both tried to harass and weren't successful, as you pointed out. Neither player got a(n) (dis)advantage from the early game. And in case you're still missing the exaggeration, I know TaeJa attacked before the 20 min mark in the first game. You know, some stuff is hard to get over through the internet. still being awake while it's already passed 3 am also doesn't help much. 
It's cool. I just wasn't sure if you were purposely being asinine for the sake of accuracy. 
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I do not enjoy this casting at all.
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On July 23 2013 10:04 Drake wrote:
killing own marine helps nothing it makes everything worse oO u can pull the marine away but if hes dead the bullet will come to his last place an explode nothing to defend it no chance to run
Even wasting the Marines was just lazyness, you pull them away load them into a medivac and the seeker hits were you picked up.
If it wouldn't be so hyper effective to move Vikings into your opponent I couldn't wait till some lands a Viking and picks it up into a Medivac.
Best way to use Seekers though is to use it and then targetfire/oneshot the unit you targeted. In that case the opponent can't do anything to prevent the Seeker from hitting where the perfect engagement distance for the opponent is. At worst you get an extra hit from them retreating or closing in, at best you pull it off in such a fast succession, that they don't even notice where the Seeker goes.
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On July 23 2013 10:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
Okay, so it's not all about supply or money in TvT then, thanks!
(I don't play TvT but I do a ton of 2v2s and I wanted to know about units and stuff like that)
I'd say it's general SC2 game theory. You can make up for economy/army/tech with any of the other in any of the matchups!
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United States97274 Posts
On July 23 2013 10:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  Polt spawns in the top right  mOOnGLaDe spawns in the bottom left
2:00
Hatch first for mOOnGLaDe
CC first on the high ground for Polt
pool for mOOnGLaDe
rax for Polt
gas for Polt
3:00
drones queens and scvs
4:00
bunker in the natural for Polt
Factory for Polt
reactor for Polt
5:00
2nd gas for Polt
Starport for Polt
reactored hellion production for Polt
4 gas for mOOnGLaDe
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On July 23 2013 10:14 Polygamy wrote:
I do not enjoy this casting at all.
I enjoy it a ton! It's not that much play by play, but I find them fun and enjoy their talk about SC2 in general.
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On July 23 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 Polt spawns in the top right mOOnGLaDe spawns in the bottom left 2:00 Hatch first for mOOnGLaDe CC first on the high ground for Polt pool for mOOnGLaDe rax for Polt gas for Polt 3:00 drones queens and scvs 4:00 bunker in the natural for Polt Factory for Polt reactor for Polt 5:00 2nd gas for Polt Starport for Polt reactored hellion production for Polt 4 gas for mOOnGLaDe
6:00
Viking started for Polt
double evo for mOOnGLaDe
Roach warren for mOOnGLaDe
7:00 60 vs 52
3rd CC for Polt
Hellions denying creep spread
3rd base for mOOnGLaDe
2 more rax for Polt
1-1 ling upgrades for mOOnGLaDe
2 more rax for Polt
ling speed for mOOnGLaDe
8:00 60 vs 68
spores going up for mOOnGLaDe
baneling nest for mOOngLaDe
widow mines production for Polt
double ebay finishes for Polt
1-1 started for Polt
2 more rax for Polt
Lair is done for mOOnGLaDe
spire for mOOnGLaDe
9:00 67 vs 75
hellions try to runby into the natural of mOOnGLaDe but they are blocked by lings and retreat
missile turrets going up for Polt
double medivac production started for Polt
armory for Polt
overlord blocking the 3rd of Polt is cleaned up
10:00 83 vs 92
2-2 started for mOOnGLaDe
macro hatch for mOOnGLaDe
baneling speed for mOOnGLaDe
queens chasing the hellions away to spread creep
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On July 23 2013 10:17 DJHelium wrote:I enjoy it a ton! It's not that much play by play, but I find them fun and enjoy their talk about SC2 in general.
Yeah, me too despite the fact that I feel like if Gretorp could express his thoughts better, and would not get so tongue-tied, then he'd be a great analytic caster on par with Apollo.
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How the fuck is polt at 150 supply before 12min....
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whoa Moonglade got so far last WCS, this time he wont make it out of the first group?....
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On July 23 2013 10:22 mikumegurine wrote:
whoa Moonglade got so far last WCS, this time he wont make it out of the first group?....
Yeah, it's rough being in the same group as TaeJa and Polt...
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United States97274 Posts
On July 23 2013 10:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 23 2013 10:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 Polt spawns in the top right mOOnGLaDe spawns in the bottom left 2:00 Hatch first for mOOnGLaDe CC first on the high ground for Polt pool for mOOnGLaDe rax for Polt gas for Polt 3:00 drones queens and scvs 4:00 bunker in the natural for Polt Factory for Polt reactor for Polt 5:00 2nd gas for Polt Starport for Polt reactored hellion production for Polt 4 gas for mOOnGLaDe 6:00 Viking started for Polt double evo for mOOnGLaDe Roach warren for mOOnGLaDe 7:00 60 vs 52 3rd CC for Polt Hellions denying creep spread 3rd base for mOOnGLaDe 2 more rax for Polt 1-1 ling upgrades for mOOnGLaDe 2 more rax for Polt ling speed for mOOnGLaDe 8:00 60 vs 68 spores going up for mOOnGLaDe baneling nest for mOOngLaDe widow mines production for Polt double ebay finishes for Polt 1-1 started for Polt 2 more rax for Polt Lair is done for mOOnGLaDe spire for mOOnGLaDe 9:00 67 vs 75 hellions try to runby into the natural of mOOnGLaDe but they are blocked by lings and retreat missile turrets going up for Polt double medivac production started for Polt armory for Polt overlord blocking the 3rd of Polt is cleaned up 10:00 83 vs 92 2-2 started for mOOnGLaDe macro hatch for mOOnGLaDe baneling speed for mOOnGLaDe queens chasing the hellions away to spread creep
11:00 100 vs 130
Mutas started for mOOnGLaDe
2-2 started for Polt
Polt is mining on 3 bases
+1 air attack for mOOnGLaDe
12:00 109 vs 142
marines of Polt cleaning up creep
combat shields for Polt
2nd factory for Polt
13:00 125 vs 168
Polt moving across the map
4th base for mOOnGLaDe
4th CC for Polt
sensor tower for Polt
Polt attacking the 4th of mOOngLaDe
overlord speed for mOOnGLaDe
+1 vehicle armor for Polt
widow mine gets a big hit on banelings
14:00 143 vs 180
drilling claws for Polt
3 more rax for Polt
Polt pushing in at the 4th again
mOOnGLaDe morphing more banes
3-3 started for Polt
15:00 130 vs 166
4th of mOOnGLaDe is killed off
Polt retreats
mOOnGLaDe restarts his 4th in the top left on the opposite side of the map
5th CC for Polt
Polt taking a 4th in the bottom right
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Did Moonglade go for the 6 queen build this game?
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On July 23 2013 10:22 mikumegurine wrote:
whoa Moonglade got so far last WCS, this time he wont make it out of the first group?....
really tough group for him :/
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 23 2013 10:16 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
Okay, so it's not all about supply or money in TvT then, thanks!
(I don't play TvT but I do a ton of 2v2s and I wanted to know about units and stuff like that) I'd say it's general SC2 game theory. You can make up for economy/army/tech with any of the other in any of the matchups!
Interesting thing about this is that if one aspect of this can completely overwhelm the other two, this generally implies imbalance. (i.e. Mules no longer get a bonus mining gold bases. Infestors/Hellbats/HTs with amulet.)
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On July 23 2013 10:23 DJHelium wrote:
Did Moonglade go for the 6 queen build this game?
I don't know, but the minimap sure seems look like that's the case.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 23 2013 10:23 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 10:22 mikumegurine wrote:
whoa Moonglade got so far last WCS, this time he wont make it out of the first group?....
Yeah, it's rough being in the same group as TaeJa and Polt...
XY underrated here. He may have bad TvT, but he was still strong enough to make it to KR GM on ladder and he proved his ZvT is good.
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