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On July 23 2013 21:18 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. I'm not whining at all, I'm mocking people who think Mine usage takes "no skill" and whatnot.
It does takes skill, what Innovation is doing is hard as hell, no question about that. But let's be honest, if you try to play the macro game against a terran of the caliber of Innovation or Flash you're gonna lose every time, even on 4 base against three it's not enough to compensate how cost effective bio mines in the hand of theses terran is. Every time I see a terran doing a unpunished 3 CC build, I expect a 10 min death animation for the zerg and it's rarely wrong.
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WE'VE GOT NO PLACE TO GOOOO! CAUGHT UP IN THE RODEOOO. OH NO PLZ GOD TELL ME WE'RE DREEAMING.
Yeah, i like this song.
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On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.
It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.
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On July 23 2013 21:26 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:25 forsooth wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:19 YyapSsap wrote:
Would this give blizz an incentive to nerf the widow mines?
Ive always felt that zerg in SC2 needs a solid AOE damage dealing unit that doesn't a) suicide - bling and b) ability - infestor based. I seriously think that Widow Mines' ability to hit both air and ground at the same time doesn't make any sense. Like, it defies all the knowledge we have about weapons. That's a silly thing to say, tons of stuff in SC2 doesn't make sense. What are you talking about? Telepathic aliens that feed on light and can conjure lightning with their minds makes perfect sense!
i want jaegers and kaiju in LotV plz
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The reason I feel that we are having this discussions is that in SC2 it is difficult to determine what part of Bogus's win we can attribute to him and what part to TvZ. Everyone has his own personal opinion of course on where the scale lies.
But the difficulty in determining that causes these discussions.
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On July 23 2013 21:25 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:25 DidYuhim wrote:
Well, Zergs have a huge problem transitioning to hive tech in TvZ. Even more so, Zergs have problems dealing with Terran after they get to Hive tech.
It seems that Zergs need new Savior. SWARMHOSTS + STATIC D LETS DO THIS
Terran player will never allow you to hit the critical mass of swarm hosts without taking any damage. And static def also needs time to hit the critical mass.
It seems I AM romanian after all 
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On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.
Proof?
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On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.
And since Innovation is the only superhuman out there, it doesn´t matter at all.
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On July 23 2013 21:27 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do. It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.
For sure!
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Disagree terran got far easier with hots
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On July 23 2013 21:18 Daswollvieh wrote:
I can´t help myself, Innovation just looks like a Korean Javier Bardem.
Girls all over the world despise you for making such foolish statement.
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On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do. Proof?
Proof that I'm wrong?
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On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.
Good point.
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On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do. Proof?
Check the pudding.
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On July 23 2013 21:29 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do. Proof? Proof that I'm wrong?
No, where's your proof that Terran rewards skill more than Zerg or Protoss?
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Lool INnoVation unstoppable.
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On July 22 2013 12:06 The_Templar wrote:
Maru 3-0
INnoVation 3-0
You read it here first.
SO CLOSE
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On July 23 2013 21:27 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell. No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap. Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines. I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because. Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck). Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet. Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do. It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.
I'm actually not sure the mechanics required to play a good tvz is harder then to play a good zvt.
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On July 23 2013 21:27 Ketch wrote:
The reason I feel that we are having this discussions is that in SC2 it is difficult to determine what part of Bogus's win we can attribute to him and what part to TvZ. Everyone has his own personal opinion of course on where the scale lies.
But the difficulty in determining that causes these discussions.
It's difficult to determine generally, yes, but the fact that Innovation is a proven God-tier player and that he is the most consistently best TvZ'er alive today should make him deserve benefit of the doubt.
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