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Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1861
On July 23 2013 21:18 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

I'm not whining at all, I'm mocking people who think Mine usage takes "no skill" and whatnot.



It does takes skill, what Innovation is doing is hard as hell, no question about that. But let's be honest, if you try to play the macro game against a terran of the caliber of Innovation or Flash you're gonna lose every time, even on 4 base against three it's not enough to compensate how cost effective bio mines in the hand of theses terran is. Every time I see a terran doing a unpunished 3 CC build, I expect a 10 min death animation for the zerg and it's rarely wrong.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 12:27:30
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1862
WE'VE GOT NO PLACE TO GOOOO! CAUGHT UP IN THE RODEOOO. OH NO PLZ GOD TELL ME WE'RE DREEAMING.

Yeah, i like this song.
The Bomber boy
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1863
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.


It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1864
On July 23 2013 21:26 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:25 forsooth wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:19 YyapSsap wrote:
Would this give blizz an incentive to nerf the widow mines?

Ive always felt that zerg in SC2 needs a solid AOE damage dealing unit that doesn't a) suicide - bling and b) ability - infestor based.

I seriously think that Widow Mines' ability to hit both air and ground at the same time doesn't make any sense. Like, it defies all the knowledge we have about weapons.

That's a silly thing to say, tons of stuff in SC2 doesn't make sense.

What are you talking about? Telepathic aliens that feed on light and can conjure lightning with their minds makes perfect sense!

i want jaegers and kaiju in LotV plz
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1865
The reason I feel that we are having this discussions is that in SC2 it is difficult to determine what part of Bogus's win we can attribute to him and what part to TvZ. Everyone has his own personal opinion of course on where the scale lies.

But the difficulty in determining that causes these discussions.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1866
On July 23 2013 21:25 bo1b wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:25 DidYuhim wrote:
Well, Zergs have a huge problem transitioning to hive tech in TvZ. Even more so, Zergs have problems dealing with Terran after they get to Hive tech.

It seems that Zergs need new Savior.

SWARMHOSTS + STATIC D LETS DO THIS

Terran player will never allow you to hit the critical mass of swarm hosts without taking any damage. And static def also needs time to hit the critical mass.

It seems I AM romanian after all
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1867
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.

Proof?
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
July 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1868
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.


And since Innovation is the only superhuman out there, it doesn´t matter at all.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
July 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1869
On July 23 2013 21:27 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.


It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.



For sure!
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
July 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1870
Disagree terran got far easier with hots
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
July 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1871
On July 23 2013 21:18 Daswollvieh wrote:
I can´t help myself, Innovation just looks like a Korean Javier Bardem.

Girls all over the world despise you for making such foolish statement.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
July 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1872
On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.

Proof?


Proof that I'm wrong?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
July 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1873
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.

Good point.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1874
On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.

Proof?

Check the pudding.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1875
On July 23 2013 21:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:27 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.

Proof?


Proof that I'm wrong?

No, where's your proof that Terran rewards skill more than Zerg or Protoss?
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
July 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1876
Lool INnoVation unstoppable.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
July 23 2013 12:30 GMT
#1877
On July 22 2013 12:06 The_Templar wrote:
Maru 3-0
INnoVation 3-0

You read it here first.

SO CLOSE
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 12:30 GMT
#1878
On July 23 2013 21:27 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:27 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:21 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

Terran scales insanely well with multitasking and skill. I wish the other races would behave like that (Z is going in this direction i think, but p is stuck).
Advantage: Sick games and lots of sweaty korean faces
Disadvantage: Foreigners will become even more obsolete

All races scale well with skill, it just doesn't give the same impression on screen because some things like Observer positioning or chrono usage (for examples) are discreet.


Still, The terran race does reward superhuman mechanics more than the other races do.


It also demands superior mechanics to be competetive to begin with.

I'm actually not sure the mechanics required to play a good tvz is harder then to play a good zvt.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 23 2013 12:30 GMT
#1879
This show is so good
The Bomber boy
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 23 2013 12:30 GMT
#1880
On July 23 2013 21:27 Ketch wrote:
The reason I feel that we are having this discussions is that in SC2 it is difficult to determine what part of Bogus's win we can attribute to him and what part to TvZ. Everyone has his own personal opinion of course on where the scale lies.

But the difficulty in determining that causes these discussions.


It's difficult to determine generally, yes, but the fact that Innovation is a proven God-tier player and that he is the most consistently best TvZ'er alive today should make him deserve benefit of the doubt.
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