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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 17 2013 07:24 GMT
#61
Oh noes, rain definitely not looking too hot recently :x
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 07:38:52
July 17 2013 07:25 GMT
#62
On July 17 2013 15:22 priestnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 14:14 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 17 2013 13:50 Ammanas wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:11 Assirra wrote:
On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:
On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:
On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is..

yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype


Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending.

I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far?


The format is good enough for one of the most watched competition in the world (UEFA Champions League) but not good enough for Starcraft fans. Yay Starcraft!
(on a sidenote, I agree they should have teammates playing always first week..)


On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain, because Rain is currently the better player


FTFY

Well round robin is good format if you apply certain rules.
This osl format is nothing like champion league.
1. Champion league count the goal difference.
2. Always play last round together.
Therefore, This osl format is just not as good, and not a proper one.


To add to that, it's unrealistic to expect football players to play more matches in the same day or even in 2 consecutive days and there are always more games played at the same time.
And yes, I would be rather unhappy if we had months of ro32 and we only had games 2 days a week and they all broadcasted at the same time. Wouldn't you?

EDIT: By you I mean ammanas, not baron.


Yes I would. I would also be sad, if all the leagues in the world would be playing the exact same format, which is actually inferior for player's preparation.

On July 17 2013 16:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'd take a global, synched format over random terrible ones like this any day. This is just bad for everybody. Fantasy probably gets screwed the hardest here, spectators won't know if the match is planned out or not and SKT as a team will be accused of match fixing or will take shit for having no team spirit if Fantasy wins.
It's retarded as hell and easy to avoid. But hey, gotta stick to traditions no matter what.


But I guess, when you are thinking of this as WWE or just a glorified ad, instead of competition, then it doesn't matter if the format allows players preparation for every match or not.

This format is more about competition, less about 'dramas' and 'storylines'. If that's what you expect out of Starcraft, then really we watch it for entirely different reasons.

And I don't understand, how you can call round robin format random and terrible. It's the format used in competitive everything for the longest time and it is used for a reason...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 07:28:21
July 17 2013 07:26 GMT
#63
I'd take a global, synched format over random terrible ones like this any day. This is just bad for everybody. Fantasy probably gets screwed the hardest here, spectators won't know if the match is planned out or not and SKT as a team will be accused of match fixing or will take shit for having no team spirit if Fantasy wins.
It's retarded as hell and easy to avoid. But hey, gotta stick to traditions no matter what.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
July 17 2013 07:54 GMT
#64
On July 17 2013 15:45 convention wrote:
It took GOM one tournament, if even that, to figure out it's a horrible idea (as far as I remember, they have always had teamkills played first).

If memory is not failing me, once upon a time, there was an up-and-down group with Zenio and Inca (Both OGS at the time), where in the last match Zenio was already through (or eliminated, don't remember) and had to play Inca, who needed to win to advance. Inca was notoriously bad in PvZ and ended up winning, and there was a lot of suspicion being thrown around that Zenio migh have let Inca win.
I think after that GOM realized how bad of an idea it is to let teammates play last.
...
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
July 17 2013 08:36 GMT
#65
Wait does tiebreaker mean that the players have to have the same game record as well or is it just overall match wins/losses?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 17 2013 08:43 GMT
#66
On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks.

Naturally we will see massive supply blocks. That's just Fantasy playing normally, not an indicator that he's throwing.
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
July 17 2013 08:58 GMT
#67
Prediction time!

Symbol ( genuinely think he is a safe bet here, could be wrong could be close)
Innovation ( I really wanna say bomber, but come on)
Rain ( not because fantasy will throw, I just want to believe there's a new fire lit under rain after spl.)
Maru (because Terran)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 17 2013 09:06 GMT
#68
On July 17 2013 16:54 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 15:45 convention wrote:
It took GOM one tournament, if even that, to figure out it's a horrible idea (as far as I remember, they have always had teamkills played first).

If memory is not failing me, once upon a time, there was an up-and-down group with Zenio and Inca (Both OGS at the time), where in the last match Zenio was already through (or eliminated, don't remember) and had to play Inca, who needed to win to advance. Inca was notoriously bad in PvZ and ended up winning, and there was a lot of suspicion being thrown around that Zenio migh have let Inca win.
I think after that GOM realized how bad of an idea it is to let teammates play last.

zenio was on liquid at that time
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 17 2013 09:42 GMT
#69
On July 17 2013 17:43 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks.

Naturally we will see massive supply blocks. That's just Fantasy playing normally, not an indicator that he's throwing.

Imagine if we'd see fantasy play without supply blocks and just stop Rain. And then after the game he is like "yeah, during the last week I figured out the game."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 17 2013 11:56 GMT
#70
opterown, you rock.
The Bomber boy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 17 2013 12:07 GMT
#71
On July 17 2013 20:56 Wintex wrote:
opterown, you rock.


Nah, it's just routine at this point. Nothing worth mentioning
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 17 2013 12:08 GMT
#72
you guys need to bump this thread more often, it would be egotistical of me to do so myself http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418312
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 12:37:36
July 17 2013 12:36 GMT
#73
Poll: Do you like profile pics in the OP (the layout used now) or just text?

I don't care. Just update it. (11)
 
69%

The one used now (4)
 
25%

The opterown standard. (1)
 
6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Do you like profile pics in the OP (the layout used now) or just text?

(Vote): The one used now
(Vote): The opterown standard.
(Vote): I don't care. Just update it.



I hate democracy for the many flaws it has, but I see the uses it has. Vote, brethren.
The Bomber boy
Gben592
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom281 Posts
July 17 2013 13:59 GMT
#74
On July 17 2013 16:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'd take a global, synched format over random terrible ones like this any day. This is just bad for everybody. Fantasy probably gets screwed the hardest here, spectators won't know if the match is planned out or not and SKT as a team will be accused of match fixing or will take shit for having no team spirit if Fantasy wins.
It's retarded as hell and easy to avoid. But hey, gotta stick to traditions no matter what.


I like it, it means I get to watch my favorite players play more :D
"The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now." INnoVation
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 17 2013 14:26 GMT
#75
Bomber! Bomber! I'm really hoping Bomber's law is on summer break this OSL.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 17 2013 14:35 GMT
#76
Don't listen to these peasants wintex, assert your authorateh.
Glorious SEA doto
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
July 17 2013 14:42 GMT
#77
On July 17 2013 16:25 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 15:22 priestnoob wrote:
On July 17 2013 14:14 Baroninthetree wrote:
On July 17 2013 13:50 Ammanas wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:11 Assirra wrote:
On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:
On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:
On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is..

yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype


Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending.

I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far?


The format is good enough for one of the most watched competition in the world (UEFA Champions League) but not good enough for Starcraft fans. Yay Starcraft!
(on a sidenote, I agree they should have teammates playing always first week..)


On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain, because Rain is currently the better player


FTFY

Well round robin is good format if you apply certain rules.
This osl format is nothing like champion league.
1. Champion league count the goal difference.
2. Always play last round together.
Therefore, This osl format is just not as good, and not a proper one.


To add to that, it's unrealistic to expect football players to play more matches in the same day or even in 2 consecutive days and there are always more games played at the same time.
And yes, I would be rather unhappy if we had months of ro32 and we only had games 2 days a week and they all broadcasted at the same time. Wouldn't you?

EDIT: By you I mean ammanas, not baron.


Yes I would. I would also be sad, if all the leagues in the world would be playing the exact same format, which is actually inferior for player's preparation.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 16:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'd take a global, synched format over random terrible ones like this any day. This is just bad for everybody. Fantasy probably gets screwed the hardest here, spectators won't know if the match is planned out or not and SKT as a team will be accused of match fixing or will take shit for having no team spirit if Fantasy wins.
It's retarded as hell and easy to avoid. But hey, gotta stick to traditions no matter what.


But I guess, when you are thinking of this as WWE or just a glorified ad, instead of competition, then it doesn't matter if the format allows players preparation for every match or not.

This format is more about competition, less about 'dramas' and 'storylines'. If that's what you expect out of Starcraft, then really we watch it for entirely different reasons.

And I don't understand, how you can call round robin format random and terrible. It's the format used in competitive everything for the longest time and it is used for a reason...

Again round robin can be excellent format if u apply certain rules. And this osl version is just terrible as hell.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
July 17 2013 15:50 GMT
#78
On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is..

yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype

So... you're... saying... NANIWA PROBE RUSH DAY
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 17 2013 16:51 GMT
#79
How does the seeding for the Quarterfinals work? Is it first place in group plays second from another group or just random draw again?
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 17 2013 17:27 GMT
#80
On July 18 2013 01:51 Yonnua wrote:
How does the seeding for the Quarterfinals work? Is it first place in group plays second from another group or just random draw again?

I would expect random selection.
The Bomber boy
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