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On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is.. yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending.
I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far?
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On July 17 2013 11:01 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 00:29 KristofferAG wrote:
Nothing's worse than your speculations of max fixing in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the history of StarCraft. Your naive to think that Fantasy will try and beat Rain. It makes 0 sense for him to actually win the matches. He can very easily 'make mistakes' like supply blocks, messing up proxy rax position, etc. in order to help Rain advance. It's honestly OGNs fault for putting them in this position.
especially since fantasy is always supply blocked anyways so it won't even look like he's throwing :p
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On July 17 2013 02:23 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:20 Wintex wrote:On July 17 2013 00:29 KristofferAG wrote:
Nothing's worse than your speculations of max fixing in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the history of StarCraft. I know... TT... And I just wanted to make this thread in hope of getting more TL+ obviously. That's why we make LRs right? Of course that's why we make LRs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6XfOgun.png)
can I report this post for being obnoxious as fuck? don't use that twitch smiley here please, I hide the chat for a reason.
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Australia54784 Posts
before the OSL RO16 i was pretty excited for the new format, expecting a lot of interesting preparation and strategies, but so far we haven't seen too much of that. it's still a nice change, other than the fact that fanta will throw subtly haha
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Fantasy is not going to beat Rain.
Fantasy isnt playing for anything at this point.
Rain has his ro8 hopes on the line.
When is the tie breakers being played?
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On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain.
Fantasy isnt playing for anything at this point.
Rain has his ro8 hopes on the line.
When is the tie breakers being played?
The tie breakers are played on the last night of ro16 as bo1s.
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On July 17 2013 12:11 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is.. yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending. I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far?
The format is good enough for one of the most watched competition in the world (UEFA Champions League) but not good enough for Starcraft fans. Yay Starcraft!
(on a sidenote, I agree they should have teammates playing always first week..)
On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain, because Rain is currently the better player
FTFY
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On July 17 2013 13:50 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 12:11 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is.. yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending. I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far? The format is good enough for one of the most watched competition in the world (UEFA Champions League) but not good enough for Starcraft fans. Yay Starcraft! (on a sidenote, I agree they should have teammates playing always first week..) Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain, because Rain is currently the better player
FTFY
Well round robin is good format if you apply certain rules.
This osl format is nothing like champion league.
1. Champion league count the goal difference.
2. Always play last round together.
Therefore, This osl format is just not as good, and not a proper one.
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Fanta def going BC rush.
And Rain will blindly tempest rush. Coincidences happen.
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Hopefully soO brings the same strong form he's been showing in the past few weeks. Maybe it'll even be enough to take out a strong player like Symbol!! And Rain's definitely beating FanTaSy... There's no way FanTaSy will actually attempt to win those games.
As for Bomber vs INnoVation, my head actually tells me Bomber will win, so lets see what comes of it!
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On July 17 2013 14:14 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 13:50 Ammanas wrote:On July 17 2013 12:11 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2013 01:54 Markwerf wrote:On July 17 2013 00:16 Killmouse wrote:On July 16 2013 23:18 Markwerf wrote:
Nice zerg mirror, followed by three pointless games..
Like Fantasy will really try and beat Rain. I expect some massive supplyblocks. scouted 'cheeses' or just uninspired play.
This day shows how terrible this format is.. yea... group days + gsl format would be way better + better storyline, now there are alot of pointless games that have to be played and no group of death day hype Well only thing I like about OSL over GSL is that they play just one match per day. They get to prepare better. If they just mixed GSL format and played it out over five days you would have the hype last day which would be garanteed to determine last 4 players. Now it's a bit of an anticlimax ending. I dunno, personally i prefer the group/day. This feels more like a couple random matches/day rather then a group you can follow from start to finish which is more exciting for me. Yes there is maybe less preparation but have we really seen that much prepared play so far? The format is good enough for one of the most watched competition in the world (UEFA Champions League) but not good enough for Starcraft fans. Yay Starcraft! (on a sidenote, I agree they should have teammates playing always first week..) On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain, because Rain is currently the better player
FTFY Well round robin is good format if you apply certain rules. This osl format is nothing like champion league. 1. Champion league count the goal difference. 2. Always play last round together. Therefore, This osl format is just not as good, and not a proper one.
To add to that, it's unrealistic to expect football players to play more matches in the same day or even in 2 consecutive days and there are always more games played at the same time.
And yes, I would be rather unhappy if we had months of ro32 and we only had games 2 days a week and they all broadcasted at the same time. Wouldn't you?
EDIT: By you I mean ammanas, not baron.
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 17 2013 11:01 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 00:29 KristofferAG wrote:
Nothing's worse than your speculations of max fixing in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the history of StarCraft. Your naive to think that Fantasy will try and beat Rain. It makes 0 sense for him to actually win the matches. He can very easily 'make mistakes' like supply blocks, messing up proxy rax position, etc. in order to help Rain advance. It's honestly OGNs fault for putting them in this position.
Sure OGN is at fault for arranging it so these two meet now, but it's just such bullshit assuming that Fanta will lose this because he wants to lose. Fanta will lose this because he's the inferior player. His macro is bad, he gets supply blocked a lot, and he's a mere shadow of what he once was. Stop assuming such destructive ideas.
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On July 17 2013 15:37 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 11:01 BlackPanther wrote:On July 17 2013 00:29 KristofferAG wrote:
Nothing's worse than your speculations of max fixing in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the history of StarCraft. Your naive to think that Fantasy will try and beat Rain. It makes 0 sense for him to actually win the matches. He can very easily 'make mistakes' like supply blocks, messing up proxy rax position, etc. in order to help Rain advance. It's honestly OGNs fault for putting them in this position. Sure OGN is at fault for arranging it so these two meet now, but it's just such bullshit assuming that Fanta will lose this because he wants to lose. Fanta will lose this because he's the inferior player. His macro is bad, he gets supply blocked a lot, and he's a mere shadow of what he once was. Stop assuming such destructive ideas.
No one is saying Fantasy is worse than Rain, everyone is complaining that if this were the very first game, fantasy might actually try against rain. But now, if my teammate and I had to play, and if I win we both get knocked out, I lose then he advances. Just like every other person in the world, I tell him "hey, scout in game 1 and I'll prepare X cheese, and play greedy and game 2 and I'll play really safe". Now, it's a guarentee that Rain wins even if Fantasy does try. If they play the first series against each other (instead of the last series), I want to beat my teammate so I can advance, so I don't tell him my strategies. I honestly am dumbfouned how OGN, who has hosted tournaments before, did not consider that teamkills should be played first. It took GOM one tournament, if even that, to figure out it's a horrible idea (as far as I remember, they have always had teamkills played first).
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Norway25712 Posts
Why are people not saying Fantasy is worse than Rain? He is, really. And he's on the losing end here no matter what. He will lose, people will find reasons to call it a throw, and Fantasy takes the blow. I'm just hoping people will be mad at OGN and not Fantasy at this point.
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On July 17 2013 14:14 RowdierBob wrote:
Fanta def going BC rush.
And Rain will blindly tempest rush. Coincidences happen.
Nah, I think that's too obvious, no one would ever blindly tempest rush. I think Fanta is going to sit in his base and mass maurder/tank, and be caught off guard by scouted mass voidray.
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On July 17 2013 15:47 KristofferAG wrote:
Why are people not saying Fantasy is worse than Rain? He is, really. And he's on the losing end here no matter what. He will lose, people will find reasons to call it a throw, and Fantasy takes the blow. I'm just hoping people will be mad at OGN and not Fantasy at this point.
If I were in Fantasy's position, I would make sure I lost (easiest way, tell Rain your strats so can he easily counter it by "scouting" a bunker in your natural and immediately guess the all-in). I think everyone, if they were reasonable, would acknowledge they would do the same. The situation sucks for Fantasy, I feel horrible for him actually. He got really screwed: you win and everyone hates you for screwing over a teammate, you lose and you threw the game. Honestly, what is OGN thinking doing teamkills last. Just so stupid, but I guess it can forgiven since this is the first tournament they have ever run, right? It is their first, right? No tournament would be stupid enough to do this after running years worth of tournaments.
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On July 17 2013 13:16 Hammer442 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain.
Fantasy isnt playing for anything at this point.
Rain has his ro8 hopes on the line.
When is the tie breakers being played? The tie breakers are played on the last night of ro16 as bo1s.
That's so gory.
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Austria24422 Posts
You don't even have to be that obvious. Fantasy and Rain could just play a few practice games in which Fantasy does the same thing 10 times in a row, then Fantasy does the same thing live on air and Rain will build counter it. They're teammates, we'll never know if it's planned or not unless Fantasy stomps the crap out of Rain.
In that case it probably wasn't.
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On July 17 2013 15:53 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 13:16 Hammer442 wrote:On July 17 2013 13:13 LighT. wrote:
Fantasy is not going to beat Rain.
Fantasy isnt playing for anything at this point.
Rain has his ro8 hopes on the line.
When is the tie breakers being played? The tie breakers are played on the last night of ro16 as bo1s. That's so gory.
BO1, hahaha, What can we say? Gotta respect the OSL tradition
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Symbol 0-2 soO
Bogus 2-1 Bomber
Fantasy 1-2 Rain
Maru 2-0 Losira
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