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On July 27 2013 07:10 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:08 StarVe wrote:On July 27 2013 07:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Day9's casting baffles me sometimes. In what way is it bad to have a lot of blink stalkers versus roach/hydra/viper without infestors? And State has a satisfactory amount of templars for storm. Why would having a lot of zealots help immortals survive abducts? strange 50 supply ahead -> "He's gonna have to land some amazing storms." Well, nah, he can just win however he wants to. It's funny I have noticed that Day9 has done this several times today: focused on slightly inferior tech, upgrades or unit composition and not noting the 50 supply army advantage or 40 worker leader. One of the things he used to be famous for saying all the time was "just go kill him", and today he seems to have completely forgotten that mentality that often quantity beats quality. EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. I feel day9 is an ok caster, and it's not like he is terrible today. It just seems a bit off and I don't know if it is a deliberate act in an attempt to manufacture excitement where there is none to be found, but to actual players it can seem disingenuous or stupid.
Yeh, because that builds a lot of hype doesn't it? "Oh States got a massive lead he should just go kill him gg"
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On July 27 2013 07:11 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 27 2013 07:08 Wildmoon wrote:
What strange about PvZ in HotS is how it is always changing much more than other MUs. I swear that I have seen so many styles and unit comps in this MU. It was far and away the most dynamic in WoL as well. Pretty polarized in balance (imo at least) throughout too. Seems to be even more so in HotS thus far, as we have not really hit that stagnant BL/infestor comp yet xD. Though even in the twilight of WoL we saw some innovation. On certain maps, that silly Stephano thing with a bazillion Swarm Hosts looks pretty close. I hope it doesn't catch on.
I think it's fine as long as it stays map dependent strat.
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On July 27 2013 07:12 fapy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:10 rasnj wrote:On July 27 2013 07:08 StarVe wrote:On July 27 2013 07:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Day9's casting baffles me sometimes. In what way is it bad to have a lot of blink stalkers versus roach/hydra/viper without infestors? And State has a satisfactory amount of templars for storm. Why would having a lot of zealots help immortals survive abducts? strange 50 supply ahead -> "He's gonna have to land some amazing storms." Well, nah, he can just win however he wants to. It's funny I have noticed that Day9 has done this several times today: focused on slightly inferior tech, upgrades or unit composition and not noting the 50 supply army advantage or 40 worker leader. One of the things he used to be famous for saying all the time was "just go kill him", and today he seems to have completely forgotten that mentality that often quantity beats quality. EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. I feel day9 is an ok caster, and it's not like he is terrible today. It just seems a bit off and I don't know if it is a deliberate act in an attempt to manufacture excitement where there is none to be found, but to actual players it can seem disingenuous or stupid. Yeh, because that builds a lot of hype doesn't it? "Oh States got a massive lead he should just go kill him gg"
There is a middle ground to be had. The obvious approach would be to reflect a bit on what happened, or maybe just state what it seems like is about to happen ("State will consolidate his units, add some templars and then attack Snute and Snute will need a miracle to win"). Straight up lying or deceiving people does not seem to be a good general approach.
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On July 27 2013 07:13 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:11 AgentW wrote:On July 27 2013 07:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 27 2013 07:08 Wildmoon wrote:
What strange about PvZ in HotS is how it is always changing much more than other MUs. I swear that I have seen so many styles and unit comps in this MU. It was far and away the most dynamic in WoL as well. Pretty polarized in balance (imo at least) throughout too. Seems to be even more so in HotS thus far, as we have not really hit that stagnant BL/infestor comp yet xD. Though even in the twilight of WoL we saw some innovation. On certain maps, that silly Stephano thing with a bazillion Swarm Hosts looks pretty close. I hope it doesn't catch on. I think it's fine as long as it stays map dependent strat.
Hmm, it's kind of similar to the Soul Train on Ohana then. Does it seem fair to make a player automatically veto a map because of one build? I don't know.
On July 27 2013 07:15 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:12 fapy wrote:On July 27 2013 07:10 rasnj wrote:On July 27 2013 07:08 StarVe wrote:On July 27 2013 07:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Day9's casting baffles me sometimes. In what way is it bad to have a lot of blink stalkers versus roach/hydra/viper without infestors? And State has a satisfactory amount of templars for storm. Why would having a lot of zealots help immortals survive abducts? strange 50 supply ahead -> "He's gonna have to land some amazing storms." Well, nah, he can just win however he wants to. It's funny I have noticed that Day9 has done this several times today: focused on slightly inferior tech, upgrades or unit composition and not noting the 50 supply army advantage or 40 worker leader. One of the things he used to be famous for saying all the time was "just go kill him", and today he seems to have completely forgotten that mentality that often quantity beats quality. EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. I feel day9 is an ok caster, and it's not like he is terrible today. It just seems a bit off and I don't know if it is a deliberate act in an attempt to manufacture excitement where there is none to be found, but to actual players it can seem disingenuous or stupid. Yeh, because that builds a lot of hype doesn't it? "Oh States got a massive lead he should just go kill him gg" There is a middle ground to be had. The obvious approach would be to reflect a bit on what happened, or maybe just state what it seems like is about to happen ("State will consolidate his units, add some templars and then attack Snute and Snute will need a miracle to win"). Straight up lying or deceiving people does not seem to be a good general approach.
I like the way that Khaldor and Wolf do it. It's usually something to the extent of "so-and-so is going to need a miracle to pull this one off." I don't care for seemingly superficial casting, it just isn't enjoyable for me to keep up an illusion of equality in the match when an advantage clearly exists for one player.
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sickcity tactic, but then..ROACHES
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Oh look, all of the reasons I don't like watching ZvP!
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On July 27 2013 07:00 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:59 Thalandros wrote:On July 27 2013 06:58 Darkhoarse wrote:Oh yeah American daylight savings time is silly  Quite easy over here, or atleast most parts of Europe.  Either CEST or CET! Thought I knew times in most states aswell, but I thought everyone was on summer time. Didn't take that into account! Either way, let's stay on topic. I wanna see NesTea more than once today  Dayum. Oh well! Yeah, there's some reason for it, I think it has to do with farmers and their crops, but I can't remember. So many stalkers. Gigantic army with few drones from Snute. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:59 mycro wrote:
Hm why upgrade shields instead of armor? o: Archons have little health and lots of shields.
Maybe that was why but he's doing it again, seems to be his thing. Seems good too since this "armor" regenerates, but dunno, im not a protoss.
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State has the soul of a champion
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Impressive play by State. Expected a 3-0 or at worst 2-1 for Snute, but State played a good last 2 games even if it was a tad gimmicky.
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Sentry/Immortal is just boring, no matter who wins
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On July 27 2013 07:19 mycro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:00 AgentW wrote:On July 27 2013 06:59 Thalandros wrote:On July 27 2013 06:58 Darkhoarse wrote:Oh yeah American daylight savings time is silly Quite easy over here, or atleast most parts of Europe. Either CEST or CET! Thought I knew times in most states aswell, but I thought everyone was on summer time. Didn't take that into account! Either way, let's stay on topic. I wanna see NesTea more than once today Dayum. Oh well! Yeah, there's some reason for it, I think it has to do with farmers and their crops, but I can't remember. So many stalkers. Gigantic army with few drones from Snute. On July 27 2013 06:59 mycro wrote:
Hm why upgrade shields instead of armor? o: Archons have little health and lots of shields. Maybe that was why but he's doing it again, seems to be his thing. Seems good too since this "armor" regenerates, but dunno, im not a protoss.
Me neither, but it seemed logical because he was already like 20 minutes into the game and the difference in costs wouldn't matter.
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No micro from snute against the immortals. What is this a move syndrome from an sc2 professional player of snute's caliber.
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On July 27 2013 07:12 fapy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:10 rasnj wrote:On July 27 2013 07:08 StarVe wrote:On July 27 2013 07:04 Heavenlee wrote:
Day9's casting baffles me sometimes. In what way is it bad to have a lot of blink stalkers versus roach/hydra/viper without infestors? And State has a satisfactory amount of templars for storm. Why would having a lot of zealots help immortals survive abducts? strange 50 supply ahead -> "He's gonna have to land some amazing storms." Well, nah, he can just win however he wants to. It's funny I have noticed that Day9 has done this several times today: focused on slightly inferior tech, upgrades or unit composition and not noting the 50 supply army advantage or 40 worker leader. One of the things he used to be famous for saying all the time was "just go kill him", and today he seems to have completely forgotten that mentality that often quantity beats quality. EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. I feel day9 is an ok caster, and it's not like he is terrible today. It just seems a bit off and I don't know if it is a deliberate act in an attempt to manufacture excitement where there is none to be found, but to actual players it can seem disingenuous or stupid. Yeh, because that builds a lot of hype doesn't it? "Oh States got a massive lead he should just go kill him gg"
How does it build hype saying "he has to land some amazing storms" when anyone can see the supply is 170 for State to 120 for Snute? "Has to land some amazing blinding clouds" maybe, talk about what Snute can do to make a comeback. Just seems like strange miscalls. Day9 has shown he can build hype and still be realistic about the state of the game. Artosis does it quite well too, though he does sometimes go onto autopilot mode when it's clearly over.
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Snute continues on his slump. Has his gimmicky roach play finally been figured out?
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He a moves all his units into the main to stop a warp prism when just a few would stop it. What is going on here.
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will the replays be available for public any time soon?
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On July 27 2013 07:24 ptbl wrote:
He a moves all his units into the main ti stop a warp prism when just a few would stop it. What is going on here.
I didn't notice exactly how many he got in there (it wasn't all as he was clearly able to flank the sentries with a sizable number of roaches just a short while later), but I think it is due to a combination of 3 factors:
1) He underreacted terribly in game 1. Didn't want to repeat the mistake.
2) He needs to be prepared for something like 2 immortals + 8 gateway unit warpin in the worst case.
3) The more overwhelming force you have the fewer losses you will take when fighting. If you barely have the superior numbers you will barely have anything left, but if you fight with 30 roaches vs 2 immortals and 2 stalkers, then you may only lose 1 or 2 roaches.
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On July 27 2013 07:21 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 07:19 mycro wrote:On July 27 2013 07:00 AgentW wrote:On July 27 2013 06:59 Thalandros wrote:On July 27 2013 06:58 Darkhoarse wrote:Oh yeah American daylight savings time is silly Quite easy over here, or atleast most parts of Europe. Either CEST or CET! Thought I knew times in most states aswell, but I thought everyone was on summer time. Didn't take that into account! Either way, let's stay on topic. I wanna see NesTea more than once today Dayum. Oh well! Yeah, there's some reason for it, I think it has to do with farmers and their crops, but I can't remember. So many stalkers. Gigantic army with few drones from Snute. On July 27 2013 06:59 mycro wrote:
Hm why upgrade shields instead of armor? o: Archons have little health and lots of shields. Maybe that was why but he's doing it again, seems to be his thing. Seems good too since this "armor" regenerates, but dunno, im not a protoss. Me neither, but it seemed logical because he was already like 20 minutes into the game and the difference in costs wouldn't matter.
Well in the end you want to get 3/3/3. But shield also affects buildings, so ling runbies are less effective. I usually go double forge and go 2/2 then 3/2/1 and 3/3/2 since it is the fastest progression in upgrades without tripple forge (which I go for if I get a huge lead in the early game)
As long as you don't use Zealots or Immortals the shield upgrade is better.
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