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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 15 2013 08:55 GMT
#661
This qualifier is definitely more worth watching than the main event.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 08:56:44
July 15 2013 08:55 GMT
#662
On July 15 2013 17:53 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Apparently it's still good enough to make it to RO4 at WCS global finals.


Against Alicia, Ryung and Losira.

That is exactly one top Korean and additionally his teammate. Bracket luck much?


how is it bracket luck when his group was the second hardest one? ;/

bracket luck would be in group a instead of soulkey/alive and getting 2 foreigners that he already beat.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
July 15 2013 08:56 GMT
#663
On July 15 2013 17:53 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Apparently it's still good enough to make it to RO4 at WCS global finals.


Against Alicia, Ryung and Losira.

That is exactly one top Korean and additionally his teammate. Bracket luck much?


Ryung > LosirA
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 08:59:47
July 15 2013 08:56 GMT
#664
On July 15 2013 17:55 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:53 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Apparently it's still good enough to make it to RO4 at WCS global finals.


Against Alicia, Ryung and Losira.

That is exactly one top Korean and additionally his teammate. Bracket luck much?

Was his close series against Bogus bracket luck too?


No, thats why he lost it.


On July 15 2013 17:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:53 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Apparently it's still good enough to make it to RO4 at WCS global finals.


Against Alicia, Ryung and Losira.

That is exactly one top Korean and additionally his teammate. Bracket luck much?


how is it bracket luck when his group was the second hardest one? ;/

bracket luck would be in group a instead of soulkey/alive and getting 2 foreigners that he already beat.


Excuse me, he didn't even win vs Alicia. Also I would argue that the other groups were harder. They all had one or max 2 weak players, the other two in those groups were the best of the best for compensation tough.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 08:58:45
July 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#665
Mvp just doesn't care about Korean tournaments anymore. He's a 4 time champion, too good for those random 1 time GSL champions. Talk to him when they get the 4th champion. Let alone those runner ups.

Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
angelwork
Profile Joined July 2013
Seychelles36 Posts
July 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#666
HeroMarine
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#667
On July 15 2013 17:52 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:46 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:43 Ketch wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:41 sibs wrote:
this upsets me so much, how zerg has to tiptoe around counterattacking and terran just runs in.


Yeah, I am wondering if someone will find some answers sometime soon. I can't figure out yet if Innovation is just that much better or what it is :/


Since I watched plenty of TvZs where zerg managed to prevail over terran going bio+medivac+mine, I would say that Innovation is just that much better.

If you watch the game closely, the supplies were even and they were trading back and forth until Innovation managed to snipe that 4th base. Only after that he jumped by 40 supply and it was gg. But you need great bio + wm control + save as many medivacs vs. mutas to be able to do that.



Yea inno is a beast, he was actually always ahead on supply, even when roro was dealing with mines very well, on that counter-attack it actually hurt my brain, cause it looked like a winning move, it was a whole army vs rally'd units and some mines, but building placement + mine placement.. actually held roro's army.


It would probably be a winning move in WoL because there was no way for terran to control the map like you can in Hots with mines. Zerg now takes more skill than in WoL which is in my opinion a good thing, you cant just send lings in and expect them to do damage by themselves, killing workers and sitting on top of production. It is the same as terran cant just send bio force to zerg side of the map without babysitting or else you die to banes or fungals etc.

If anything the amount of babysitting and army control evened up a bit in comparison to WoL.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#668
How does a slow-moving marine get into a protoss base like that.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
July 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#669
On July 15 2013 17:54 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:41 sibs wrote:
this upsets me so much, how zerg has to tiptoe around counterattacking and terran just runs in.


Really? You can burrow your fucking banelings, so we cannot simply run in, matter of fact NO ONE DOES USE IT. We leave supply as defence, same can be done by you. Also "Terran just" - NO. INnoVation was playing insanely amazing, now stop your shit QQ--_-


Take a deep breath, you just compared burrowed banelings to widow mines.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 15 2013 08:59 GMT
#670
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Blah, it was just poor performance. In season 1 finals he has beaten KangHo and Ryung and his losses against Alicia and INoVation were rather close - not to mention ForGG.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 15 2013 08:59 GMT
#671
Dual forge + Colossi, incoming SCV + bio + Vikings timing.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
July 15 2013 09:00 GMT
#672
HyuN has been playing a lot of ZvZs recently and winning almost all of them set-wise.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
July 15 2013 09:00 GMT
#673
On July 15 2013 17:58 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:52 sibs wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:46 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:43 Ketch wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:41 sibs wrote:
this upsets me so much, how zerg has to tiptoe around counterattacking and terran just runs in.


Yeah, I am wondering if someone will find some answers sometime soon. I can't figure out yet if Innovation is just that much better or what it is :/


Since I watched plenty of TvZs where zerg managed to prevail over terran going bio+medivac+mine, I would say that Innovation is just that much better.

If you watch the game closely, the supplies were even and they were trading back and forth until Innovation managed to snipe that 4th base. Only after that he jumped by 40 supply and it was gg. But you need great bio + wm control + save as many medivacs vs. mutas to be able to do that.



Yea inno is a beast, he was actually always ahead on supply, even when roro was dealing with mines very well, on that counter-attack it actually hurt my brain, cause it looked like a winning move, it was a whole army vs rally'd units and some mines, but building placement + mine placement.. actually held roro's army.


It would probably be a winning move in WoL because there was no way for terran to control the map like you can in Hots with mines. Zerg now takes more skill than in WoL which is in my opinion a good thing, you cant just send lings in and expect them to do damage by themselves, killing workers and sitting on top of production. It is the same as terran cant just send bio force to zerg side of the map without babysitting or else you die to banes or fungals etc.

If anything the amount of babysitting and army control evened up a bit in comparison to WoL.


Yea I agree if roro had perfect micro there, he'd be able to do massive damage if not camp inno's production.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 15 2013 09:01 GMT
#674
OK, no, Storm should be there too early.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 15 2013 09:02 GMT
#675
On July 15 2013 17:58 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:54 NarutO wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:41 sibs wrote:
this upsets me so much, how zerg has to tiptoe around counterattacking and terran just runs in.


Really? You can burrow your fucking banelings, so we cannot simply run in, matter of fact NO ONE DOES USE IT. We leave supply as defence, same can be done by you. Also "Terran just" - NO. INnoVation was playing insanely amazing, now stop your shit QQ--_-


Take a deep breath, you just compared burrowed banelings to widow mines.


in terms of walking-paths and defence, this is kind of equal. Both cost supply, both have potential to be devastating and both require detection to nullify the damage. You just made it sound like Terran is playing for INnoVation and every Terran player out there can tell you, it is not. Its brutally hard but ignorant people will never understand
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
July 15 2013 09:02 GMT
#676
On July 15 2013 17:59 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Blah, it was just poor performance. In season 1 finals he has beaten KangHo and Ryung and his losses against Alicia and INoVation were rather close - not to mention ForGG.


I guess then it solely depends on what you define as meaningful. The performance you just listed is pretty good but is in no, absolutely no way worth the hype he received afterwards.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3331 Posts
July 15 2013 09:03 GMT
#677
On July 15 2013 17:59 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 17:49 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:47 nimdil wrote:
Wow, the reigning King of Europe was stomped really hard, not winning a single set.


Shows you how much being King of Europe means in Korea. Nothing.

Blah, it was just poor performance. In season 1 finals he has beaten KangHo and Ryung and his losses against Alicia and INoVation were rather close - not to mention ForGG.

With MVP it's mostly a question of format.
With preparation time he's godly.
Without it he's just a mid-level Korean terran.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 15 2013 09:03 GMT
#678
Innovation you are not Bomber.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 15 2013 09:04 GMT
#679
with the recent hellbat change, tvp is back to WOL again... + msc and faster medis :/
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 15 2013 09:04 GMT
#680
That's probably true as well. I'm just saying that compare to season 1 finals, being stomped 2-0 by completely not in form DRG it is a surprise.
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