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Nice, much better than the first game
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There is so much micro in that battle. WP HerO!!!
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oh hero, you are sooo good
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On June 30 2013 10:27 Daogin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:27 Orangered wrote:On June 30 2013 10:26 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 10:24 ntssauce wrote:
i hate bubbles so much for abusing every stupid build protoss has Let be honest, most Protoss don't know that weird ass build. oh well The irony of heart cheesing out bubbles if he wins will be hilarious.
Lets hope Bubbles clutch reaction and decision making is better than EGTL's coach.
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GO KAWAII !!! kill this cheeser
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On June 30 2013 10:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:28 Arceus wrote:any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on  main stream: HerO vs Sage NASL: Bubbles vs KawaiiRice MLGA: Theognis vs Xenocider MLGB: TheStc vs Grubby MLGC: Illusion vs Yugioh MLGD: mOOnGLaDe vs Apocalypse
Thanks!
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On June 30 2013 10:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:28 Arceus wrote:any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on main stream: HerO vs Sage NASL: Bubbles vs KawaiiRice MLGA: Theognis vs Xenocider MLGB: TheStc vs Grubby MLGC: Illusion vs Yugioh MLGD: mOOnGLaDe vs Apocalypse
thanks. guess Im gonna watch some Grubby humiliation then
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On June 30 2013 10:29 simmeh wrote:race picking. picking races depending on opponent race and map
Any particular reason for doing so? Also what MUs has he been playing, The bracket in Liquipedia doesn't seem to indicate it.
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On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
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When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team
And its the exact same situation Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT. Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable? People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try. You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties. Answer my questions above please. LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine? Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white. You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome. 1. Yes it's fine. 2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically. 3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere? 4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here? it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately. Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament. Do you think what Savior did is fine? 1. How would you collect this evidence? 2. No what savior did was not fine because it was: a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived) b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise. 1. Same way you collect any evidence. 2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me). Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted. Personally, I support "rule absolutism." Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil. It is against MLG's rules....
Then, why are we arguing? He should be punished because he went against rules. It's that simple.
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How do pros not know about Bubbles cannons by now???
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illusion is such an agressive whore, love it
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On June 30 2013 10:31 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
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Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.
Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable? People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try. You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties. Answer my questions above please. LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine? Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white. You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome. 1. Yes it's fine. 2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically. 3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere? 4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here? it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately. Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament. Do you think what Savior did is fine? 1. How would you collect this evidence? 2. No what savior did was not fine because it was: a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived) b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise. 1. Same way you collect any evidence. 2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me). Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted. Personally, I support "rule absolutism." Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil. It is against MLG's rules.... Then, why are we arguing? He should be punished because he went against rules. It's that simple.
You tell me man. Many are defending it.
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On June 30 2013 10:30 Laryleprakon wrote:
Illusion playing well.
he's got a ton of potential
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On June 30 2013 10:32 c0ldfusion wrote:he's got a ton of potential
too bad he got eliminated completely from WCS AM. He just seemed off that day vs Tilea in his TvZ. Hopefully he doenst get stuck in a bracket with HyuN in the qualifiers
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On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
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When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team
And its the exact same situation Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT. Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable? People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try. You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties. Answer my questions above please. LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine? Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white. You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome. 1. Yes it's fine. 2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically. 3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere? 4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here? it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately. Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament. Do you think what Savior did is fine? 1. How would you collect this evidence? 2. No what savior did was not fine because it was: a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived) b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise. 1. Same way you collect any evidence. 2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me). Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted. Personally, I support "rule absolutism." Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil. It is against MLG's rules....
Why don't you let MLG decide and just enjoy the games. They will make the call without out input.
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Seriously are the pro's in a "bubble", do they not talk to anyone about previous opponents. Bubbles cannons wont work if you expect them at all....
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Golden 2/0 Kane
Golden Vs Soo will be good.
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EPT
