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Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4341
Nice, much better than the first game
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4342
There is so much micro in that battle. WP HerO!!!
I had a good night of sleep.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4343
oh hero, you are sooo good
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4344
On June 30 2013 10:27 Daogin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:27 Orangered wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:26 Plansix wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:24 ntssauce wrote:
i hate bubbles so much for abusing every stupid build protoss has

Let be honest, most Protoss don't know that weird ass build.

oh well

The irony of heart cheesing out bubbles if he wins will be hilarious.

Lets hope Bubbles clutch reaction and decision making is better than EGTL's coach.
The curse is real
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4345
GO KAWAII !!! kill this cheeser
economy over everything
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4346
On June 30 2013 10:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:28 Arceus wrote:
any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on

main stream: HerO vs Sage
NASL: Bubbles vs KawaiiRice
MLGA: Theognis vs Xenocider
MLGB: TheStc vs Grubby
MLGC: Illusion vs Yugioh
MLGD: mOOnGLaDe vs Apocalypse

Thanks!
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4347
On June 30 2013 10:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:28 Arceus wrote:
any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on

main stream: HerO vs Sage
NASL: Bubbles vs KawaiiRice
MLGA: Theognis vs Xenocider
MLGB: TheStc vs Grubby
MLGC: Illusion vs Yugioh
MLGD: mOOnGLaDe vs Apocalypse

thanks. guess Im gonna watch some Grubby humiliation then
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 30 2013 01:30 GMT
#4348
Illusion playing well.
cravin74
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1088 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4349
On June 30 2013 10:29 simmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:29 cravin74 wrote:
Is KawaiiRice playing random?


race picking. picking races depending on opponent race and map


Any particular reason for doing so? Also what MUs has he been playing, The bracket in Liquipedia doesn't seem to indicate it.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4350
Nice move from bubble
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4351
On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
[quote]

When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team

And its the exact same situation


Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.

Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable?

People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try.

You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties.


Answer my questions above please.

LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine?

Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white.

You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome.

1. Yes it's fine.
2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically.
3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere?
4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here?


it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately.

Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament.

Do you think what Savior did is fine?

1. How would you collect this evidence?

2. No what savior did was not fine because it was:
a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived)
b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal

Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise.


1. Same way you collect any evidence.
2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me).

Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted.


Personally, I support "rule absolutism."
Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil.


It is against MLG's rules....

Then, why are we arguing? He should be punished because he went against rules. It's that simple.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4352
How do pros not know about Bubbles cannons by now???
Red and yellow are all I see
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4353
illusion is such an agressive whore, love it
Terran & Potato Salad.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#4354
On June 30 2013 10:31 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
[quote]

Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.

Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable?

People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try.

You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties.


Answer my questions above please.

LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine?

Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white.

You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome.

1. Yes it's fine.
2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically.
3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere?
4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here?


it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately.

Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament.

Do you think what Savior did is fine?

1. How would you collect this evidence?

2. No what savior did was not fine because it was:
a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived)
b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal

Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise.


1. Same way you collect any evidence.
2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me).

Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted.


Personally, I support "rule absolutism."
Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil.


It is against MLG's rules....

Then, why are we arguing? He should be punished because he went against rules. It's that simple.


You tell me man. Many are defending it.
Red and yellow are all I see
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 30 2013 01:32 GMT
#4355
On June 30 2013 10:30 Laryleprakon wrote:
Illusion playing well.


he's got a ton of potential
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 30 2013 01:32 GMT
#4356
On June 30 2013 10:32 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:30 Laryleprakon wrote:
Illusion playing well.


he's got a ton of potential

too bad he got eliminated completely from WCS AM. He just seemed off that day vs Tilea in his TvZ. Hopefully he doenst get stuck in a bracket with HyuN in the qualifiers
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Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
June 30 2013 01:32 GMT
#4357
4 hatch before pool?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 30 2013 01:33 GMT
#4358
On June 30 2013 10:30 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:
[quote]

When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team

And its the exact same situation


Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT.

Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable?

People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try.

You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties.


Answer my questions above please.

LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine?

Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white.

You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome.

1. Yes it's fine.
2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically.
3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere?
4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here?


it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately.

Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament.

Do you think what Savior did is fine?

1. How would you collect this evidence?

2. No what savior did was not fine because it was:
a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived)
b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal

Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise.


1. Same way you collect any evidence.
2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me).

Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted.


Personally, I support "rule absolutism."
Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil.


It is against MLG's rules....

Why don't you let MLG decide and just enjoy the games. They will make the call without out input.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 30 2013 01:33 GMT
#4359
Seriously are the pro's in a "bubble", do they not talk to anyone about previous opponents. Bubbles cannons wont work if you expect them at all....
Red and yellow are all I see
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
June 30 2013 01:33 GMT
#4360
Golden 2/0 Kane

Golden Vs Soo will be good.
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
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