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Was at work until now. All my favourites were eliminated or dropped to LB in the last hour before I got home. I was hoping for a NonY vs iNcontroL match but they both lost TT
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I'm surprised Sage is sticking to air.
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On June 30 2013 10:27 Orangered wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:26 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 10:24 ntssauce wrote:
i hate bubbles so much for abusing every stupid build protoss has Let be honest, most Protoss don't know that weird ass build. oh well
The irony of heart cheesing out bubbles if he wins will be hilarious.
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On June 30 2013 10:27 ntssauce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:26 BronzeKnee wrote:On June 30 2013 10:26 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 10:24 ntssauce wrote:
i hate bubbles so much for abusing every stupid build protoss has Let be honest, most Protoss don't know that weird ass build. I wish I hadn't off missed it. What was it? ulra fast 3gate blink stalker
That's not weird. Hellokitty uses the same build.
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xenocider is quite good ^^
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On June 30 2013 10:26 Orangered wrote:
what could he have done to survive it?
Not go gas less three cc. That's a fucking greedy build from WOL that people should do any more.
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any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on 
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Man sage has just been smashing PVP's today
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Is KawaiiRice playing random?
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Great control from Sage and Hero.
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On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:03 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:01 TTOMZ wrote:
I think this Catz thing is silly and people are being silly, is Catz even considered a pro player anymore? I see him more as an acting manager you could say, playing for moral support
Coach Park is playing in this MLG right? So imagine if he'd got paired with an EG or TL player in his first game. Do you think he would have played vs them? No he's of forfeited his place. He's playing for fun and if he ever ran into an EG or TL player he would simple give them the bye
I see Catz as being in the same situation Of course he would have played. This also does not even attempt to evaluate the actual issue. Just "its fine because Catz sucks"? That is not a good reason. When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team And its the exact same situation Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT. Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable? People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try. You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties. Answer my questions above please. LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine? Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white. You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome. 1. Yes it's fine. 2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically. 3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere? 4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here? it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately. Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament. Do you think what Savior did is fine? 1. How would you collect this evidence? 2. No what savior did was not fine because it was: a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived) b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise. 1. Same way you collect any evidence. 2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me). Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted.
Personally, I support "rule absolutism."
Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil.
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On June 30 2013 10:29 cravin74 wrote:
Is KawaiiRice playing random?
race picking. picking races depending on opponent race and map
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On June 30 2013 10:28 Arceus wrote:any stream guide? just wake up and dont know whats going on
main stream: HerO vs Sage
NASL: Bubbles vs KawaiiRice
MLGA: Theognis vs Xenocider
MLGB: TheStc vs Grubby
MLGC: Illusion vs Yugioh
MLGD: mOOnGLaDe vs Apocalypse
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On June 30 2013 10:29 cravin74 wrote:
Is KawaiiRice playing random?
either he's picking between T and Z or he's lucky (or unlucky I guess) and hasn't hit toss yet
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Copypaste from A stream chat
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Mlgsc2a: kawaii plays Terran and Zerg
8:28 Ictoby: kawaii race puick
» ya
8:28 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: depending on map / MU
8:28 A49er08: thank you
8:28 Mod Tinzu: yeah everytim ei see a kwaiirice game hs i terran but i have only seen like 3
8:28 Y2kkmac: I wonder if anyone will get transformation servos
8:28 Mod Tinzu: eh? thought he had to go full random for this
8:28 Ictoby: nope
» tilea is a random
8:28 Mod Tinzu: well my bad then
8:28 Sixpackabs: wonder if qxc is wathicn gcould get some good info for his game against whoever wins
8:28 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: wtf
8:29 Ictoby: she has been doing good
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: who else is on thjis account
8:29 Sunezin: tilea only goes terran/zerg as well
8:29 Turbo Louielouie2k: game is so close
8:29 Psychonian109: lol
8:29 Qxcs_yogurt: probably
8:29 Mod Tinzu: ?
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: Someone else is logged into this account
8:29 Mod Tinzu: is zoia having an attack
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: typing stuff in chat
8:29 Psychonian109: lmao
8:29 Y2kkmac:
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: what the tits
» i am
8:29 Mod Tinzu: multiple personality disorder
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: WHAT IS THIS
8:29 Psychonian109: hahahahahahahha
8:29 Broadcaster Mlgsc2a: WHAT IS GOING ON
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That's the ticket, HerO! One more please!
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What an engagement from HerO!
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On June 30 2013 10:29 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 10:22 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:20 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:15 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:10 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:08 DamageControL wrote:On June 30 2013 10:05 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:04 TTOMZ wrote:On June 30 2013 10:03 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
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Of course he would have played. This also does not even attempt to evaluate the actual issue. Just "its fine because Catz sucks"? That is not a good reason. When did i say Catz sucks? I said he's not seen as a pro player anymore. He doesn't play to win major tournements be plays for moral support for his team And its the exact same situation Again no actual points here. Catz isnt a pro therefore its ok. That is NOT RELEVANT. Why is it a problem? Or rather, in what world is "throwing matches" avoidable? People say rushing probes is unacceptable. I think how we handled the NaNi incident was bad. You can't force someone to try. You say it "hurts the integrity of the tournament." How? What's the impact? What harm does it do to the tournament? There will not be sudden rash of people throwing games--there are a fairly unique set of circumstances where it's beneficial to both parties. Answer my questions above please. LG-IM all 4 semi finalists, forfeit to give MVP the win. Fine? Its not a unique set of circumstances. There is nothing unique about it. It is a principle. Either its acceptable or not. Black and white. You can't force someone to try. But you can disqualify them if you think they didn't try deliberately in order to influence the outcome. 1. Yes it's fine. 2. You keep saying it's acceptable or not, black or white. I'm saying it's fine. You're saying it's not. But you aren't substantiating your claim. You keep claiming IT'S NEVER OK. I believe that it is fine for two reasons: a) it's unenforceable (Catz can suddenly and inexplicably show up late, etc.) b) I don't see what's wrong with it ethically. 3. What's the threshold for effort there? Do we keep a magic effort meter somewhere? 4. You still haven't answered my question: what happens that is so bad here? it is enforceable. You can disqualify if you have evidence it was done deliberately. Ethically it is not acceptable because he has given a team mate a free pass. He didn't have to play a match in the tournament. They have manipulated the brackets to their advantage and affected the integrity of the whole tournament. Do you think what Savior did is fine? 1. How would you collect this evidence? 2. No what savior did was not fine because it was: a. Not explicit (this matter less but people don't like being deceived) b. There was money being gambled and he was fixing it--which is actually illegal Please define what the "integrity" of a tournament is. I don't know how to point out it's not violating that spirit otherwise. 1. Same way you collect any evidence. 2. I don't disagree that there is a difference, but the ethical principle is similar. That was the reason for my analogy. Not to make it seem like they were the same situation. The explanation of the difference between them to reveal the ethical reasoning is the important thing (before people misunderstand me). Integrity of the tournament=the belief that the tournament is played ethically with full effort from all players involved so that the results can be trusted. Personally, I support "rule absolutism." Unless MLG rules explicitly forbid such acts, players are allowed to do literally whatever they want within those rules. Fuck eithics. If anything, it is MLG's fault for not expecting this situation and making rules accordingly. If majority of the community feels that it is unethical, then tournaments should include it to their rules. I don't like what CatZ has done, but I would rather blame MLG than CatZ for this turmoil.
It is against MLG's rules....
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