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On June 27 2013 22:35 TeeTS wrote:
TvT is just a terrible mess. But with the consequences reaching far into other matchups, a simple hellbat nerf would create tons of other issues.
Well, it's not that the Terran do badly in th other matchups - I think they'll nerf the Hellbats terribly soon now, especially after this game. Blizzard can't possibly want such a completely retarded matchup xD
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Apparently the group drawing is right after this? Or did I missheard (watching the OGN stream)
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The thing is, if they nerf hellbats they will fall victim to a passive TvZ in which broodlord infestor armies will again crush face because harassment potential for terrans will be much weaker and we will have good old boring TvZ all over again.
And David Kim said he wants to avoid that...
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On June 27 2013 22:37 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:35 TeeTS wrote:
TvT is just a terrible mess. But with the consequences reaching far into other matchups, a simple hellbat nerf would create tons of other issues. Well, it's not that the Terran do badly in th other matchups - I think they'll nerf the Hellbats terribly soon now, especially after this game. Blizzard can't possibly want such a completely retarded matchup xD
rememmber Bl/infestor and how long it lasted?
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On June 27 2013 22:36 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:35 Figgy wrote:
The patch for hellbats is really ridiculously simple.
- Medivacs cannot boost with hellbats loaded.
BAM problem solved! Problem solved in TvT, but an unnecessary restriction for TvZ and TvP.
which problem in TvT? Keen just has to l2p against hellbats 
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On June 27 2013 22:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:33 Wintex wrote:Poll: Recommend Group H Final Match?Yes! (40) 63% Nope. (24) 38% If you have time. (0) 0% 64 total votes Your vote: Recommend Group H Final Match? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time.
(Vote): Nope.
This unit is too funny. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FXICpwh.jpg) Damn Oz is handsome in that picture [/url]
Like an Argo junior (although Oz is the older of the two)
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On June 27 2013 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Meh, I think Keen had a shot if he holded out that 1 insane drop. But I wouldn't know how he would done that.
he held the insane drop (the 8 medivacs 200 army one)
it was the previous single into double into cuadruple that crippled him
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On June 27 2013 22:37 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Apparently the group drawing is right after this? Or did I missheard (watching the OGN stream)
I thought I heard that too
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On June 27 2013 22:37 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:36 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 22:35 Figgy wrote:
The patch for hellbats is really ridiculously simple.
- Medivacs cannot boost with hellbats loaded.
BAM problem solved! Problem solved in TvT, but an unnecessary restriction for TvZ and TvP. which problem in TvT? Keen just has to l2p against hellbats
there fixed that for you
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On June 27 2013 22:35 BlackCompany wrote:
This is one of the moments where i am considering to uninstall sc2, throw it in a garbage can and never open Teamliquid again.
My god, the beauty that TvT was has succesfully turned into this shit. Maybe its the unwritten law of blizzard that eveyrtime you try to improve one aspect, you completly fuck other aspects...
Yes, it's a shame. I feel like TvT nowadays is even more stupid than the good old 4gate vs 4gate days in PvP.
They should just remove the biological tag of hellbats. It's just stupid and makes no sense. Why is it mechanical in hellion form but biological in hellbat form?
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On June 27 2013 22:37 Qwerty85 wrote:
The thing is, if they nerf hellbats they will fall victim to a passive TvZ in which broodlord infestor armies will again crush face because harassment potential for terrans will be much weaker and we will have good old boring TvZ all over again.
And David Kim said he wants to avoid that...
Those are literally the only two options, a ridiculous unit like hellbats, or a return of broodlord infestor.
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On June 27 2013 22:38 Heinsenzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Meh, I think Keen had a shot if he holded out that 1 insane drop. But I wouldn't know how he would done that. he held the insane drop (the 8 medivacs 200 army one) it was the previous single into double into cuadruple that crippled him
He held the first drops very well, but then he started to fall apart because he didn't kill the medivacs and those drops just stayed around forever. He needed more vikings but produced medivacs instead.
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On June 27 2013 22:36 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:33 TheDwf wrote:On June 27 2013 22:31 goody153 wrote:On June 27 2013 22:26 Disengaged wrote:
And people thought the Warhound was stupid. it was actually redundant because we already have marauders It could have been turned into something useful. Like a Goliath, for instance. we have thors if its the same as goliath (only slower and more expensive) but more efficient due to splash and huge hp .. and since terran already has marines and mines for aa .. but if it was implemented we would have seen warhounds as replacement to marine/marauder in the lategame since its better
Thors are trash (conceptually) and should have been removed. The Goliath or something like this would have been so much better. The supply inflation in SC2 is really bad; how do you want to split your army with this kind of 6 supply banger.
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On June 27 2013 22:35 Figgy wrote:
The patch for hellbats is really ridiculously simple.
- Medivacs cannot boost with hellbats loaded.
BAM problem solved!
Would solve the issue, but would be a terrible terrible designing style. Even the Sporecrawler change with +damage to bio is quite bad design. But this would be way worse.
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On June 27 2013 22:35 TeeTS wrote:
TvT is just a terrible mess. But with the consequences reaching far into other matchups, a simple hellbat nerf would create tons of other issues.
How so ? It's not like its the backbone of every TvX strats.
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Bomber's got a fever and the only prescription is more hellbats!
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The mule keeps kicking the chickens in the pen!
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Oh shit, Liquid vs Acer going on right now
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On June 27 2013 22:35 juicyjames wrote:Ro32 Advances7/8 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/race/SC2T10.png) (87.5%) 4/10 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/race/SC2P10.png) (40%) 5/14 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/race/SC2Z10.png) (35.7%) 10/17 SPL (58.8%) 6/14 GSTL (42.9%) 0/1 Foreign (0%) 4/4 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/1.png) (100%) 3/3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/5.png) (100%) 2/2 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/267.png) (100%) 1/1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/2.png) (100%) 1/1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/68.png) (100%) 1/2 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/9.png) (50%) 2/5 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/89.png) (40%) 1/3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/74.png) (33.3%) 1/3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/6.png) (33.3%) 0/1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/218.png) (0%) 0/1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/107.png) (0%) 0/1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/57.png) (0%) 0/2 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/109.png) (0%) 0/3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/10.png) (0%)
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