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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 22 2013 16:21 GMT
#1161
Well, being HerO counters swarm host play but I don't think that's an option for people who are not HerO.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
June 22 2013 16:21 GMT
#1162
On June 23 2013 01:20 Xeanrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Wonder why u arent at HSC atm

Cheer up mister.
Boxer | MVP | Taeja | TLO | Grubby | Bunny (danish)
Sisaan
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
June 22 2013 16:21 GMT
#1163


feel the groove - hsc VII impressions and statements

and a few unexpected things , like always at hsc.
The guy that can make DHDE go horribly wrong *uargs*
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#1164
On June 23 2013 01:21 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?

Yea i think air made of carriers mostly + HTs beats everything in the game


Ha, now I feel smart for making carriers lategame.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Albinoswordfish
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States108 Posts
June 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#1165
That game just highlights how I hate the Swarmhosts/Spore Crawler/Infestor/Queen composition. It reminds me too much of BroodLord/Infestor/Queen/Spore Crawler where Protoss can never really engage directly. This leads to base trade scenarios where the Zerg almost always wins because Spore Crawlers can move anywhere.

You saw Seed denying 4th bases by Snute multiple times with Zealot runbys but it didn't matter because Zerg has the ultimate army composition.

I don't know PvZs like this are just deathball vs deathball which I thought Hots was trying to break up.
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
June 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#1166
On June 23 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:
Oh my god, We're gonna have a Happy-ToD. You know what that means.

Time to watch that legendary Dreamhack game again :3
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 22 2013 16:23 GMT
#1167
ToD vs Happy....I'm getting flashbacks of what was the worst SC2 game that I ever saw.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
June 22 2013 16:24 GMT
#1168
On June 23 2013 01:22 Ventris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:
Oh my god, We're gonna have a Happy-ToD. You know what that means.

Time to watch that legendary Dreamhack game again :3

For the lulz, they should just make them play on Tal'Darim one game.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 16:25:47
June 22 2013 16:24 GMT
#1169
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?


Carriers are nice because of the huge range they have now, but that depends on the situation. Swarmhosts usually annoy you to much to get there. And you need Air attack. But usually Carriers can snipe stuff before the transfuse hits.
The important bit is to always have a Recall ready to avoid a Fungal lockdown.
Doubt we will see Carriers in a pro game though. Tempest take less control and do the same in a more secure fashion, even though it is weaker overall except range.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 16:25:58
June 22 2013 16:25 GMT
#1170
On June 23 2013 01:21 Boucot wrote:
Oh my god, We're gonna have a Happy-ToD. You know what that means.

a bunch of chargelot/archon timings!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#1171
On June 23 2013 01:24 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?


Carriers are nice because of the huge range they have now, but that depends on the situation. Swarmhosts usually annoy you to much to get there. And you need Air attack. But usually Carriers can snipe stuff before the transfuse hits.
The important bit is to always have a Recall ready to avoid a Fungal lockdown.
Doubt we will see Carriers in a pro game though. Tempest take less control and do the same in a more secure fashion, even though it is weaker overall except range.

this might be a stupid question, but carriers have more range now? since when? HotS? i never see them so i dunno.

also, who's casting with Rotterdam and Hasuobs right now?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#1172
On June 23 2013 01:21 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?

Yea i think air made of carriers mostly + HTs beats everything in the game


Sounds like one for the unit tester!
Red and yellow are all I see
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
June 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#1173
HasuObs is such a great caster. I'm amazed every time...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 22 2013 16:28 GMT
#1174
On June 23 2013 01:24 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?


Carriers are nice because of the huge range they have now, but that depends on the situation. Swarmhosts usually annoy you to much to get there. And you need Air attack. But usually Carriers can snipe stuff before the transfuse hits.
The important bit is to always have a Recall ready to avoid a Fungal lockdown.
Doubt we will see Carriers in a pro game though. Tempest take less control and do the same in a more secure fashion, even though it is weaker overall except range.


Well, off an opening like Seed's I think it's possible. He did have +1 air attack already, he had a good army to take a 4th with after beating Snute's army in that initial fight and from there if he just figures out what Snute is doing, delays by doing zealot runbys as he did and pumping carriers I think it could work.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
June 22 2013 16:28 GMT
#1175
gg TLO won
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 22 2013 16:28 GMT
#1176
Also no idea what MC's gameplan was there
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
June 22 2013 16:28 GMT
#1177
Less MC playing and more MC casting is ideal
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#1178
mc still doing random stuff into blinkstalker only
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
June 22 2013 16:30 GMT
#1179
wtf is MC doing
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 22 2013 16:30 GMT
#1180
On June 23 2013 01:27 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:24 FeyFey wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:18 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 Nerchio wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:17 MuseMike wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:16 Zheryn wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:15 Schelim wrote:
dimaga is so fun to listen to :D

this is kind of an interesting composition though. zerg just plays mech now. but the fact queens seem to trade very cost effectively with void rays just feels wrong, yet on the other hand i don't know what else they are supposed to counter them with


Ye if queens didn't counter voids, zerg would have no answer at all to voids and every PvZ would just be mass void.

What counters Queen, spore, swarm host?

Colossus


But then if zerg gets vipers?

Then protoss goes HT, i can go on like this all day :D


Does mass carrier beat it? Like, once you figure out what's going on, just stop making void rays and make carriers instead? Or is that too expensive?


Carriers are nice because of the huge range they have now, but that depends on the situation. Swarmhosts usually annoy you to much to get there. And you need Air attack. But usually Carriers can snipe stuff before the transfuse hits.
The important bit is to always have a Recall ready to avoid a Fungal lockdown.
Doubt we will see Carriers in a pro game though. Tempest take less control and do the same in a more secure fashion, even though it is weaker overall except range.

this might be a stupid question, but carriers have more range now? since when? HotS? i never see them so i dunno.

also, who's casting with Rotterdam and Hasuobs right now
?


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