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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 09 2013 03:27 GMT
#2341
On June 09 2013 12:27 Entirety wrote:
How the fuck is Mvp equaling INnoVation in supply?

because Mvp is Mvp.
Moderatorlickypiddy
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2342
On June 09 2013 12:25 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 12:24 aZealot wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:22 Hall0wed wrote:
Can we stop with the Hellbats already... there is nothing about them that is fun or exciting to watch.


They need to be made weaker, IMO. Lower the HP and the healing from Medivacs will not count for so much.

Or at least made 100/50 or something. There's no way they should be 100 minerals for everything they are.


Yeah. The fact they don't cast gas is just... ><.

But a HP nerf would also allow them to be killed faster and allow for other unit compositions other than yet more Hellbats.

At least now we know that marines really don't kill everything.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2343
TvT best matchup
AdministratorBreak the chains
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 03:28:44
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2344
On June 09 2013 12:24 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 12:22 Hall0wed wrote:
Can we stop with the Hellbats already... there is nothing about them that is fun or exciting to watch.


They need to be made weaker, IMO. Lower the HP and the healing from Medivacs will not count for so much.

I feel like removing their biological tag would have some implications in TvP, as it lets archons soft counter them.

If you wanna be severe, I guess you could remove them as in independent unit and have them strictly as a transformation from hellions.

Personally, I'm just glad to see a terran core unit that's not a marine.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2345
On June 09 2013 12:27 Entirety wrote:
How the fuck is Mvp equaling INnoVation in supply?

King of Wings
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2346
On June 09 2013 12:26 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 12:23 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:21 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:20 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:17 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:14 packrat386 wrote:
Mvp vs Innovation
0 - 0
Game 1
Map is Newkirk Precinct

Mvp (mvp) is at the bot left
Innovation (bogus) is at the both right


0:00
no shenanigans yet.
supply depots for both

1:00
Both go rax first immediately after depot
artosis stealing my verbiage

2:00
scv is moving out for bogus
both take gas at roughly the same time
tosis calling a fast CC
bogus's scv sees nothing

3:00
mvp drops a 2nd CC
so does bogus

4:00
both players still on 1 gas
they get the fact at the same basic time
both getting reactors and 2nd gas


5:00
So much mirror going on guys
mvp getting a starport first and innovation getting an armory then starport
mvp moving his cc to the low ground

6:00
hellions meet in the middle and exchange a volley
widow mines for mvp almost scouted by a scan

7:00
mvp going for a widowmine/hellion drop
armory for mvp
mvp's drop is chased away by rines

8:00
hellbats unload in mvps main but kill nothing
both of them get nothing done with their drops
mvp does save the medivac
mvp getting more vikings and hellions
hellbat at the nat kills a few workers


9:00
bogus dropping his hellbats again and getting a couple more kills but the mines for mvp drop and get kills


10:00
more hellbat drops not really getting all that much done
mvp losing a few scvs each time
bogus now with an scv lead

11:00
mvp has a larger army but is staying defensive
bogus has largely stopped dropping finally
mass drop moving out for mvp but it gets cuaght by vikings

12:00
the drops survive but mvp loses all of his vikings
bogus's vikings are at the main of mvp trying to camp the production


13:00
mvp dropping in 10 hellbats but doesn't get to kill many scvs
what the hell is this matchup coming to here.
43 - 54 scvs in bogus favor

14:00
both players getting several more facts
2x armory for bogus, only 1 for mvp
large drop for bogus but it gets stopped by mvps stuff

15:00
now a third CC out for each player
bogus established his 3rd already
a drop for mvp gets intercepted and dies but onle 1 medivac

16:00
bogus taking a 4th and getting faster upgrades
mvp is making slightly more tanks than bogus



Very nice commentary. Thanks.
....
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2347
On June 09 2013 12:27 Entirety wrote:
How the fuck is Mvp equaling INnoVation in supply?


Mvp macro.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2348
Incoming battlecrusiers
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 03:28:47
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2349
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2350
uh oh, BC switch

Mvp not in a good position
Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2351
MvT. yep
roflstomper
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2352
My just-smoked-a-blunt logic on hellbat nerfs reposting because I'm high and I think I got it!


Just lower damage to 16 instead of 18, and take 2-4 off their 'vs light damage' so they don't 2 shot workers, the same way they nerfed blue flame. Takes 3 shots, instead of 2, and still can ass rape lings.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51497 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2353
BOGUS YOU ARE NOT FLASH PLEASE STOP QUAD EXPANDING FOR NO REASON
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 09 2013 03:28 GMT
#2354
still curious why people let them seduce into the offensive after they ravaged the opponent and killing their medivacs continously.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2355
Hellbat worse new unit in HotS e-sports wise

warhound was a-move OP

hellbat is plain damn too good and boring with its tankiness

hellbats just stand wherever the fuck they want and tank damage
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2356
Top base of Innovation is wrongly placed.
The Bomber boy
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2357
On June 09 2013 12:27 Entirety wrote:
How the fuck is Mvp equaling INnoVation in supply?


it's easy to stabilize as mech. it's hard to gain an "advantage" vs another meching player. what Mvp is going to have to do to win, is play split map and play the game of paitience.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2358
On June 09 2013 12:26 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 12:23 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:21 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:20 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:17 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 12:14 packrat386 wrote:
Mvp vs Innovation
0 - 0
Game 1
Map is Newkirk Precinct

Mvp (mvp) is at the bot left
Innovation (bogus) is at the both right


0:00
no shenanigans yet.
supply depots for both

1:00
Both go rax first immediately after depot
artosis stealing my verbiage

2:00
scv is moving out for bogus
both take gas at roughly the same time
tosis calling a fast CC
bogus's scv sees nothing

3:00
mvp drops a 2nd CC
so does bogus

4:00
both players still on 1 gas
they get the fact at the same basic time
both getting reactors and 2nd gas


5:00
So much mirror going on guys
mvp getting a starport first and innovation getting an armory then starport
mvp moving his cc to the low ground

6:00
hellions meet in the middle and exchange a volley
widow mines for mvp almost scouted by a scan

7:00
mvp going for a widowmine/hellion drop
armory for mvp
mvp's drop is chased away by rines

8:00
hellbats unload in mvps main but kill nothing
both of them get nothing done with their drops
mvp does save the medivac
mvp getting more vikings and hellions
hellbat at the nat kills a few workers


9:00
bogus dropping his hellbats again and getting a couple more kills but the mines for mvp drop and get kills


10:00
more hellbat drops not really getting all that much done
mvp losing a few scvs each time
bogus now with an scv lead

11:00
mvp has a larger army but is staying defensive
bogus has largely stopped dropping finally
mass drop moving out for mvp but it gets cuaght by vikings

12:00
the drops survive but mvp loses all of his vikings
bogus's vikings are at the main of mvp trying to camp the production


13:00
mvp dropping in 10 hellbats but doesn't get to kill many scvs
what the hell is this matchup coming to here.
43 - 54 scvs in bogus favor

14:00
both players getting several more facts
2x armory for bogus, only 1 for mvp
large drop for bogus but it gets stopped by mvps stuff

15:00
now a third CC out for each player
bogus established his 3rd already
a drop for mvp gets intercepted and dies but onle 1 medivac

16:00
bogus taking a 4th and getting faster upgrades
mvp is making slightly more tanks than bogus


17:00
hellbat seige tank is the choice of both players
mvp moving out with 6 tanks a thor and hellbats
mvp sieges up at the watch tower and takes a 4th

18:00
mvp is force to back up when he sees bogus' army
another drop of mvp does nothing

19:00
mvp now moving up to the top of the map but moves back down upon seeing yet another goddam hellbat drop
mvp once again takes the center but only puts a couple tanks there

20:00
bogus taking his 5th base at the very center
bogus also placing several sensor towers
neither player making a lot of air
bogus is getting 3 extra ccs
dreaming of a sunny day
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2359
On June 09 2013 12:27 Entirety wrote:
How the fuck is Mvp equaling INnoVation in supply?

innovation has lost more hellbats which are cheap and supply inefficient as well as putting more money into upgrades so their production isn't much different
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
June 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#2360
Now this will be decided by who gets the Skyterran advantage the earliest.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
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