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On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!
Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.
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On June 10 2013 11:55 Zurichan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:46 ypslala wrote:
is it known what SOS typed ingame after the final gg in game 4 ? He said, "gg Congratulations" in Korean.
ok ty
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On June 10 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:53 blade55555 wrote:On June 10 2013 14:45 1raxexpand wrote:On June 10 2013 10:09 Dodgin wrote:On June 10 2013 10:05 bittman wrote:On June 10 2013 10:01 Dodgin wrote:On June 10 2013 10:00 bittman wrote:On June 10 2013 09:44 Elroi wrote:
Innovation needs a psychologist to stop tilting and throwing away games to lesser opponents :/ Most teams probably don't invest in a psychologist for e-sports as far as I'm aware. Not that I know exactly what lesser opponent he threw games to? Mvp and Roro were his only game losses. Probably the #2 zerg and #2 terran in the world. If #2 can't take games off #1, then even the word bonjwa wouldn't be enough to describe that... Mvp better than Flash? let's not get ahead of ourselves... Ah sorry, I'll conform to popular beliefs for now then. Flash #1 terran player. Innovation only won this tournament because Flash lost. Otherwise Flash totally would have won this. Innovation is clearly the #1 Terran player, he has second place in GSL and first place in this as well as the third best Proleague record. Flash has the best proleague record but no top 8 finishes in WCS yet. Mvp can be #3 until someone else proves themselves better in the next season. It's really hard to rank him because he doesn't play in PL or WCS KR ;/. Don't think Mvp will do well in pl. Not his style. Too early to claim Flash #2. Innovation is clearly #1 by a large margin. I agree it is way to early to claim flash is #2 terran. I can't wait for the start of next wcs and I kinda hope innovation makes finals wins it and wins the wcs season finals. Would be kinda sick :p. Who else could possibly be #2 Terran?
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Innovation could have and should won the GSL finals 4-0 too. He's the best in the world.
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Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation.
Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-
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On June 11 2013 02:54 GinDo wrote:Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation. Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-
... Reavers are special man because they're so hard to fucking micro. You think Colossus is hard to micro? lol, no. Not only that, but there's the what if factor because everyone knows how they can bug out and it takes a ridiculous amount of good micro to use them properly. Everyone remembers how many kills each one gets and the game escalates quickly when they're added in the mix. There are a lot of boring units in SC2 and yeah MVP versus Innovation was good because usually it didn't end with the hellbats because they were good at defending most of the time. The way it should be. Good defense, well okay then. Let's move forward then!
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On June 11 2013 03:51 Straxis wrote:
VODs doesnt work :/
Let me guess, the sound is broken?
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On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!
Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.
His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two.
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On June 11 2013 04:15 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!
Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up. His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two.
Are you basing that off that one game where Bogus threw away his units and didn't complete his full air switch? Because I don't think that's enough evidence to say his late game is non-existent to MVP and Flash. Yes he did lose to Flash in PL, but that was based on the dropship play and it was still highly entertaining. The guy can macro like a beast and if there's a good window of opportunity you have on Bogus. I'd say you want to take advantage of him early. ._. He only recently started to tinker around with hellbats as well might I add. It's like his new toy. He'll get bored of it eventually.
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On June 11 2013 02:54 GinDo wrote:Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation. Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-
Hellbats and reavers are COMPLETELY different. Reavers are expensive, take a while to build and build from the same building as the shuttle; require very good micro, are somewhat fragile, have a chance to miss with scarabs, essentially need a shuttle to be useful, and shuttles are very slow without the upgrade. Hellbats are cheap, you can build two at a time, are fairly versatile, and don't require close to as much micro. Really, the only similarities are that they both do splash damage and have the potential to kill a lot of workers quickly.
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On June 11 2013 04:21 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:15 edgeOut wrote:On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!
Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up. His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two. Are you basing that off that one game where Bogus threw away his units and didn't complete his full air switch? Because I don't think that's enough evidence to say his late game is non-existent to MVP and Flash. Yes he did lose to Flash in PL, but that was based on the dropship play and it was still highly entertaining. The guy can macro like a beast and if there's a good window of opportunity you have on Bogus. I'd say you want to take advantage of him early. ._. He only recently started to tinker around with hellbats as well might I add. It's like his new toy. He'll get bored of it eventually.
Ofc not based on one game, it is different style of players. MVP and flash is turtle style in heart no matter they play bw or sc2, bogus and baby have similar fast paced style. Right now, fast paced Terran is favored in hots, but bw usually favors the turtle style Terran.
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