• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:57
CEST 13:57
KST 20:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202516Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder2EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced28BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Serral wins EWC 2025 Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Shield Battery Server New Patch BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 672 users

WCS Season 1 Finals Day 3 - Page 381

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 379 380 381
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 06:08:45
June 10 2013 06:07 GMT
#7601
On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!


Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.
Mvp-forGG-MKP-Bogus-Ty-MMA-Polt-Taeja-Flash
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
June 10 2013 07:11 GMT
#7602
On June 10 2013 11:55 Zurichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 11:46 ypslala wrote:
is it known what SOS typed ingame after the final gg in game 4 ?

He said, "gg Congratulations" in Korean.

ok ty
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 10 2013 07:30 GMT
#7603
On June 10 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 14:53 blade55555 wrote:
On June 10 2013 14:45 1raxexpand wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:09 Dodgin wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:05 bittman wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:01 Dodgin wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:00 bittman wrote:
On June 10 2013 09:44 Elroi wrote:
Innovation needs a psychologist to stop tilting and throwing away games to lesser opponents :/


Most teams probably don't invest in a psychologist for e-sports as far as I'm aware.

Not that I know exactly what lesser opponent he threw games to? Mvp and Roro were his only game losses. Probably the #2 zerg and #2 terran in the world. If #2 can't take games off #1, then even the word bonjwa wouldn't be enough to describe that...


Mvp better than Flash? let's not get ahead of ourselves...


Ah sorry, I'll conform to popular beliefs for now then.

Flash #1 terran player. Innovation only won this tournament because Flash lost. Otherwise Flash totally would have won this.


Innovation is clearly the #1 Terran player, he has second place in GSL and first place in this as well as the third best Proleague record. Flash has the best proleague record but no top 8 finishes in WCS yet.

Mvp can be #3 until someone else proves themselves better in the next season. It's really hard to rank him because he doesn't play in PL or WCS KR ;/.


Don't think Mvp will do well in pl. Not his style. Too early to claim Flash #2. Innovation is clearly #1 by a large margin.

I agree it is way to early to claim flash is #2 terran. I can't wait for the start of next wcs and I kinda hope innovation makes finals wins it and wins the wcs season finals. Would be kinda sick :p.


Who else could possibly be #2 Terran?


MC #1 TvT practice partner
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
June 10 2013 07:38 GMT
#7604
the vods aint working
Paradice
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand431 Posts
June 10 2013 08:14 GMT
#7605
Foxxan - not sure what's up with the VODs in the OP, but here is a full set of spoiler-free links to the tournament (just tested & confirmed working) - http://www.reddit.com/r/SpoilerFreeSC/comments/1g170b/completed_wcs_season_1_finals/
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 10 2013 11:28 GMT
#7606
Innovation could have and should won the GSL finals 4-0 too. He's the best in the world.
Mangooze
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands301 Posts
June 10 2013 14:17 GMT
#7607
On June 10 2013 17:14 Paradice wrote:
Foxxan - not sure what's up with the VODs in the OP, but here is a full set of spoiler-free links to the tournament (just tested & confirmed working) - http://www.reddit.com/r/SpoilerFreeSC/comments/1g170b/completed_wcs_season_1_finals/

Cheers
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
June 10 2013 17:00 GMT
#7608
On June 10 2013 17:14 Paradice wrote:
Foxxan - not sure what's up with the VODs in the OP, but here is a full set of spoiler-free links to the tournament (just tested & confirmed working) - http://www.reddit.com/r/SpoilerFreeSC/comments/1g170b/completed_wcs_season_1_finals/

Much thanks, sir.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
June 10 2013 17:54 GMT
#7609
Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation.

Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +
Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 10 2013 17:59 GMT
#7610
On June 11 2013 02:54 GinDo wrote:
Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation.

Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +
Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-


... Reavers are special man because they're so hard to fucking micro. You think Colossus is hard to micro? lol, no. Not only that, but there's the what if factor because everyone knows how they can bug out and it takes a ridiculous amount of good micro to use them properly. Everyone remembers how many kills each one gets and the game escalates quickly when they're added in the mix. There are a lot of boring units in SC2 and yeah MVP versus Innovation was good because usually it didn't end with the hellbats because they were good at defending most of the time. The way it should be. Good defense, well okay then. Let's move forward then!
Straxis
Profile Joined August 2012
85 Posts
June 10 2013 18:51 GMT
#7611
VODs doesnt work :/
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 10 2013 18:58 GMT
#7612
On June 11 2013 03:51 Straxis wrote:
VODs doesnt work :/


Let me guess, the sound is broken?
dreaming of a sunny day
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
June 10 2013 19:15 GMT
#7613
On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!


Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.


His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 19:22:43
June 10 2013 19:21 GMT
#7614
On June 11 2013 04:15 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:
On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!


Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.


His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two.


Are you basing that off that one game where Bogus threw away his units and didn't complete his full air switch? Because I don't think that's enough evidence to say his late game is non-existent to MVP and Flash. Yes he did lose to Flash in PL, but that was based on the dropship play and it was still highly entertaining. The guy can macro like a beast and if there's a good window of opportunity you have on Bogus. I'd say you want to take advantage of him early. ._. He only recently started to tinker around with hellbats as well might I add. It's like his new toy. He'll get bored of it eventually.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
June 11 2013 04:12 GMT
#7615
Is it just me or are the VOD links in the OP messed up?

Instead of www.twitch.tv/wcs_osl2/b/414479387?t=6h37m35s&initial_time=23855
it is www.teamliquid.net/wcs_osl2/b/414479387?t=6h37m35s&initial_time=23855 which doesn't exist


o choro é livre
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 11 2013 04:18 GMT
#7616
On June 11 2013 02:54 GinDo wrote:
Kinda funny that many people as of late have been complaining about Hellbats in TvT, and they deference the TvT between MVP and Innovation.

Yet MVP vs Innovation is considered the most enjoyable games of the Day, and have the most recommendations. + Show Spoiler +
Also kinda funny that people complain so much about the Hellbat, but want the Reaver back. -___-


Hellbats and reavers are COMPLETELY different. Reavers are expensive, take a while to build and build from the same building as the shuttle; require very good micro, are somewhat fragile, have a chance to miss with scarabs, essentially need a shuttle to be useful, and shuttles are very slow without the upgrade. Hellbats are cheap, you can build two at a time, are fairly versatile, and don't require close to as much micro. Really, the only similarities are that they both do splash damage and have the potential to kill a lot of workers quickly.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 08:23:58
June 11 2013 08:22 GMT
#7617
On June 11 2013 04:21 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 04:15 edgeOut wrote:
On June 10 2013 15:07 1raxexpand wrote:
On June 10 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Just watching Mvp vs Innovation. Wow, that would´ve been a great finals. He seemed the only player to really be an equal to Innovation in the finals. But then, TvT is also Innovation´s weakest matchup. Still, what an amazing performance by Mvp, I want to see more of him now!


Not really, Innovation doesn't really have a weakest match up.


His TvT wins usually are from early or mid game, because he has good multitasking to drag opponents around. But once they reach the lategame, that's for mech turtle style players, like Mvp and Flash, Bogus is no expert in lategame compared to those two.


Are you basing that off that one game where Bogus threw away his units and didn't complete his full air switch? Because I don't think that's enough evidence to say his late game is non-existent to MVP and Flash. Yes he did lose to Flash in PL, but that was based on the dropship play and it was still highly entertaining. The guy can macro like a beast and if there's a good window of opportunity you have on Bogus. I'd say you want to take advantage of him early. ._. He only recently started to tinker around with hellbats as well might I add. It's like his new toy. He'll get bored of it eventually.


Ofc not based on one game, it is different style of players. MVP and flash is turtle style in heart no matter they play bw or sc2, bogus and baby have similar fast paced style. Right now, fast paced Terran is favored in hots, but bw usually favors the turtle style Terran.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Prev 1 379 380 381
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #99
Creator vs KrystianerLIVE!
ByuN vs Jumy
TBD vs Krystianer
CranKy Ducklings171
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 450
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 5959
Bisu 2880
Flash 2486
Stork 1291
Shuttle 920
Jaedong 630
EffOrt 484
Soma 441
Mini 406
Zeus 348
[ Show more ]
Larva 334
ggaemo 248
Hyun 209
ToSsGirL 112
Rush 108
Snow 94
Killer 91
Mind 88
Soulkey 84
Dewaltoss 79
ZerO 77
Backho 53
PianO 49
yabsab 48
Aegong 46
Free 30
Sharp 29
soO 28
Movie 27
JulyZerg 26
Noble 22
JYJ21
scan(afreeca) 19
sSak 19
sorry 18
Icarus 18
Sea.KH 18
Shinee 16
Sacsri 14
IntoTheRainbow 7
ivOry 5
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 406
BananaSlamJamma354
XcaliburYe200
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1749
fl0m1462
x6flipin685
oskar156
sgares55
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi28
Other Games
singsing1953
B2W.Neo730
DeMusliM388
crisheroes265
Fuzer 212
Hui .159
Lowko155
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta32
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV243
• lizZardDota268
League of Legends
• Nemesis3284
• Jankos714
Upcoming Events
WardiTV European League
4h 3m
PiGosaur Monday
12h 3m
OSC
1d
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 22h
Online Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Online Event
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.