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On June 01 2013 18:23 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:21 Targe wrote:On June 01 2013 18:20 ProTech wrote:On June 01 2013 18:19 Big J wrote:On June 01 2013 18:14 AyMnRSC2 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:09 TimENT wrote:I can't get over how bad that was. Game 1: 2rax with terrible defense (yawn) Game 2: roach/hydra timing (only close game) Game 3: failed baneling allin (yawn) Game 4: successful roach bane allin (yawn) Game 5: successful roach band allin (yawn) Game 6: failed 2rax (yawn) Game 7: terrible macro game with terrible mistakes (yawn) I dont even care about which player won. This is motherfucking TvZ. The best game had fucking roaches and hydras. What the hell happened? That was just sad  Worst finals ever. Worst series ever. Disgusting. Actually, the best game was game 7. Innovation just got out multitasked. It was a lot of fun to watch. lol. hellbat drops, getting defelected. Innovation behind, tries to make up for it with a big drop. Flies through mutas. That's it. Nearly any WCS EU TvZ was better to watch. If the highest level of TvZ is cheese and cheese only, like we have seen this GSL (like, go through the LR threads. The macro games were 2x Life vs Innovation, 1 Roro vs Innovation, 1x Symbol vs Innovation. Basically every other series was a cheesefest), then I think we can only hope for some PvPs... lol Awful post, the games were good. Back and forth, you can't ask for much more than a game 7. Also, there's thousands of dollars on the line for these players, the last thing they're thinking about is your entertainment. That being said, take what you can get and enjoy watching the best players in the world, stop griping. These games were most certainly not good. ^^ Really? How about putting yourself in their shoes, have you ever played in front of thousands of people, not to mention on TV? Nerves play a roll, and peoples mindsets are different. Sorry you couldn't enjoy it to the fullest, but the games were good with everything considered.
Point taken - then comparing them to Mvp vs Squirtle or MMA vs DongRaeGu, this was weaksauce.
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I dont understand why everybody bitches about the roach baneling all-in. If innovations build has a clear weakness that can be abused and he does NOT fix it, why would you not abuse it? Why would you enter the later stages of the game ON HIS TERMS? That doesnt make sense,especially considering Innovations strength if he is allowed to play on his terms.
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On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Then I doubt you know what you're talking about. Almost all of the SK casters predicted Soulkey to win.
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On June 01 2013 18:22 Laryleprakon wrote:
When Mvp wins next weekend the terran fans will be happy again ^_~
MVP is not even Code B. He wont pass the groups if not full of foreigners. Just beat the best zerg eu foreigners TLO and Stephano. Foreigners are only good with Zerg, because is so easy mechanicly...The finals will be once again TvZ with Innovation+ another Zerg... Roro or soulkey again
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Ok so the game is pretty much balanced?
Can Zerg stop whining now? :D
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On June 01 2013 18:26 ZenithM wrote:Ok so the game is pretty much balanced? Can Zerg stop whining now? :D
It's as balanced as it ever should be.
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Once again the SC community has a surprising misunderstanding of how to use stats.
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On June 01 2013 18:25 Bam Lee wrote:
I dont understand why everybody bitches about the roach baneling all-in. If innovations build has a clear weakness that can be abused and he does NOT fix it, why would you not abuse it? Why would you enter the later stages of the game ON HIS TERMS? That doesnt make sense,especially considering Innovations strength if he is allowed to play on his terms.
Because apparently its all about honor and all this other stupid shit.
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Game 7s will always look the bronziest out of any series. Why? Mental fortitude is at its absolute limits. When $8,000+ and world fame is on the line, making even the lightest of mistakes there can virtually rend your heart asunder! You may watch the game and go, "man, that's such a diamond level mistake!" but can you really imagine yourself in there with 100k+ watching you online as well a massive live audience with their eyes on you? Nothing is ever simple anymore and can be taken for granted. And that is the real story of the grand finals.
The game play honestly wasn't bad. The game, however, was one of the most fucking amazing things I have ever seen in StarCraft 2! This was one of the most memorable and historical GSLs I have ever witnessed. It was beautiful!
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I'm sorry, but anyone that doesn't think that Soulkey played well in that last game is an idiot. He completely shut down those hellbat drops, I mean, 4 drones killed for investing in 3+medivacs with hellbats? That's great defense. And yeah, innovation didn't repair his cc, but guess what, he was a little busy trying to defend his main and his third at the same time on fucking Daybreak with bio while macro'ing, let's see any of you do that in a finals situation in game 7 with the series on the line. Please.
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On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.
I don't think Innovation's major strength is that he doesn't make mistakes, he's a risky player playing a demanding style, he makes mistakes but he made up for it. His major strength is that he's faster than anyone, even Life. In the lategame, you can see every opponent just can't keep up with him.
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Fantastic mental strength from Soulkey. Keeping it together in Game 4 was an achievement in itself.
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On June 01 2013 18:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:19 tastyminerals wrote:
SK is clearly a worse player than Innovation, but that will be argued by any forum hero especially now.
I doubt that anyone thought SK was the favourite before the finals.
Still games were not entertaining, I'm happy for SK though, guess I wanted him to win, just not in this kind of fashion. stop trollin dawg. Innovation has one major strength: he doesn't make mistakes. Tonight, he made mistakes.
Stop calling trolling reasonable arguments, or should I better point you to how many games has SK won and how many Bogus, should I mention how good Bogus games generally are and how good are SK ones?
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On June 01 2013 18:25 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:22 Laryleprakon wrote:
When Mvp wins next weekend the terran fans will be happy again ^_~ MVP is not even Code B. He wont pass the groups if not full of foreigners. Just beat the best zerg eu foreigners TLO and Stephano. Foreigners are only good with Zerg, because is so easy mechanicly...The finals will be once again TvZ with Innovation+ another Zerg... Roro or soulkey again
Again don't be so sure.:D
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On June 01 2013 18:25 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:22 Laryleprakon wrote:
When Mvp wins next weekend the terran fans will be happy again ^_~ MVP is not even Code B. He wont pass the groups if not full of foreigners. Just beat the best zerg eu foreigners TLO and Stephano. Foreigners are only good with Zerg, because is so easy mechanicly...The finals will be once again TvZ with Innovation+ another Zerg... Roro or soulkey again
'not even code B' I laugh at you mere mortal
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On June 01 2013 18:22 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:19 AyMnRSC2 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:17 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 01 2013 18:14 AyMnRSC2 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:09 TimENT wrote:I can't get over how bad that was. Game 1: 2rax with terrible defense (yawn) Game 2: roach/hydra timing (only close game) Game 3: failed baneling allin (yawn) Game 4: successful roach bane allin (yawn) Game 5: successful roach band allin (yawn) Game 6: failed 2rax (yawn) Game 7: terrible macro game with terrible mistakes (yawn) I dont even care about which player won. This is motherfucking TvZ. The best game had fucking roaches and hydras. What the hell happened? That was just sad Worst finals ever. Worst series ever. Disgusting. Actually, the best game was game 7. Innovation just got out multitasked. It was a lot of fun to watch. oumultitask? are you retarded? how can you multitask if you lost like 90% or your units! game 7 was the worst in the series. You are 100% correct. It was much worse than watching the failed 2rax in game 6. I think that you are just mad because innovation lost. Get over it please. lol yeah it was really entertaining watching soulkey kill an unrepaired command center and seeing a 3 medivac drop beforehand and then killing it with mutas, the display of skill was crazy....
He got ripped appart when his little hellbat drop killed 4 drones, and you know why ? Because soulkey pulled them of the mineral line asap, killed the medivacs and cleaned up the rest with some roaches/lings.
Nothing bad from Bogus, he just got put behind, then Soulkey prefented the 3th from ever being properly used. Build Muta's and pulled Bogus appart, the drop mattered little he was already to far behind. It was a ditch desperate act from Bogus, and you know why ? Because Soulkey put em in that.
Outplayed they call that.
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On June 01 2013 18:16 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:14 AyMnRSC2 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:09 TimENT wrote:I can't get over how bad that was. Game 1: 2rax with terrible defense (yawn) Game 2: roach/hydra timing (only close game) Game 3: failed baneling allin (yawn) Game 4: successful roach bane allin (yawn) Game 5: successful roach band allin (yawn) Game 6: failed 2rax (yawn) Game 7: terrible macro game with terrible mistakes (yawn) I dont even care about which player won. This is motherfucking TvZ. The best game had fucking roaches and hydras. What the hell happened? That was just sad Worst finals ever. Worst series ever. Disgusting. Actually, the best game was game 7. Innovation just got out multitasked. It was a lot of fun to watch. game 7 had bronze level mistakes ("oh i dont need to watch my triple drop" "did not know i could repair buildings")
I swear, reading posts like this is the reason why people complain about balance when there's already a balance lmao. In other words, you don't know what the hell your talking about. Innovation did the triple drop in the main because he saw that Soulkeys mutalisks were at the bottom right of the map. Innovation anticipated that Soulkey would have went for harass immediately after his muta ball came out and didn't expect the Mutalisk to be defending the main base (brilliant mind game by Soulkey because he anticipated Innovation to try a counter drop). Also, what the hell would "watching his triple drop" would have done? Absolutely nothing! The Mutalisk were already in place and the medivacs wouldn't have escaped even with their boost ability. However, Innovation could have repaired his third command center. He collapsed after he lost his third base - So, I agree with you there.
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" Cheese " // " All in " it's amazing how you people think starcraft is supposed to be played macro every single game you play. Starcraft is a game of strategy and mechanics. You do what it takes to win the game. In korea, these things you guys refer to as " Cheese " and " All in " (which is NA / EU term) is considered standard and the only reason you're complaining about it half the time is because of hyped up people lose to these types of play and call it bad.
Grow up, as mentioned before it's a game of strategy, so if you lose it's because you got outplayed, not because someone " cheesed you " or " all inn'd you "
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I think I'd have to watch the last game again before making a judgement. Did Soulkey just get lucky with his Mutas in the right place at the right time, or did he scout the drop incoming and move them there to intercept it?
Soulkey also got kind of lucky in game 4 when Innovation scanned his natural like five seconds after his army moved out. If Innovation saw the army he would have had another 25-30 seconds to prepare a defense and things could have gone differently.
Overall, Soulkey did get a bit lucky in the games he won, but at the same time Innovation helped him out with poor build order choices. Either way, Soulkey deserves credit for holding himself together and making good decisions under pressure. If you compare the two rax defense in game one with game six it's hard to believe it was the same player.
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On June 01 2013 18:24 mineirodabahia wrote:
This game is a businness. It would be nice if some kind of "best win of the series" trophy existed Could motivate players to not cheese or all in so much.
That sucks. I want to see players do whatever it takes to WIN. It is Blizzard's job to design a game to promote entertaining plays. I would rather want to see SC2 dead if players are motivated not to do their best with such award etc.
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