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On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW.
Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE...
I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ...
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Seems like I'm for free trade, then.
Nice analogy
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On May 27 2013 05:30 Fusilero wrote:Why does everyone complain about Koreans in WCS NA but a Norwegian in WCS NA gets no complaints 
because he won't outclass all the other competitors and keep the supense total.
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On May 27 2013 05:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 m0ck wrote:
Great tournament, I feel Stephano was a bit unlucky with how the builds played out in the final, but he also made some wrong decisions at key moments. That game 1 was just perfect, though.
The two best players reached the final, the player who made the least mistakes won. What more can you wish for? Man that game was like textbook ZvT his creep spread was just incredible
By the way, you're awesome for live reporting all this, thanks for your service.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 27 2013 05:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 m0ck wrote:
Great tournament, I feel Stephano was a bit unlucky with how the builds played out in the final, but he also made some wrong decisions at key moments. That game 1 was just perfect, though.
The two best players reached the final, the player who made the least mistakes won. What more can you wish for? Man that game was like textbook ZvT his creep spread was just incredible
Since the guy is French, I think he needs this instead:
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:47 Bagration wrote:On May 27 2013 05:45 StarVe wrote:On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts. Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo?  I don't need them here. Hopefully they work out a plan to keep ToD as a caster even though he's in Premier, I like him a lot and I think he's gotten quite a bit of praise during Season 1. I'd love it if they managed to get HasuObs as a replacement for when ToD is unavailable. Fuzer becomes the next WCS EU caster Fuzer to cast uzer pls.
That was lame.
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On May 27 2013 05:50 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship. 90 k afaik
No with all the language streams WCS EU 2012 had 120k watching and made it the most watched foreign tournament that year
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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
Suddenly? where have you been when WCS got announced?
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On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?
It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Mvp you are glorious and I love you.
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On May 27 2013 05:54 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Irrelevent? You must be kidding last yea WCS EU had 120k starcraft 2 fans watching the none Korean WCS EU championship. 90 k afaik No with all the language streams WCS EU 2012 had 120k watching and made it the most watched foreign tournament that year
Impossible to know that since MLG's don't release specific numbers.
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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
yeah that's funny
If Stephano would have won, the people complaining about korean would have said nothing, since an europeene would have won, even though their idea is that he shouldn't even have played against a korean, making the victory not that glorious. Very paradoxal.
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On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.
Uh, no, it isn't.
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On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW. Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE... I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ...
Why. The name says the tournament is part of Blizzards WCS and played out in Europe. And the tournament is exactly what it says on the tin.
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On May 27 2013 05:45 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:43 Bagi wrote:On May 27 2013 05:42 StarVe wrote:
ESL will never hire NA casters because they're fucking huge and Redeye and Carmac would look like midgets once the hugging starts. Who needs NA casters when you got Kaelaris, Tod and Apollo? I don't need them here. Hopefully they work out a plan to keep ToD as a caster even though he's in Premier, I like him a lot and I think he's gotten quite a bit of praise during Season 1. I'd love it if they managed to get HasuObs as a replacement for when ToD is unavailable.
RotterdaM lad, a perfect ESL reunion. =)
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On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.
Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea".
On May 27 2013 05:56 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:On May 27 2013 05:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 samurai80 wrote:
Having a tourney in every continent for which you are almost sure one of the few korean terrans participating is going to win is not really interesting. apparently 120,000 people disagree... They were watching because a European was playing in the finals... Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k. How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too. I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked. Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive. Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right? That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions. And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW. Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE... I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ... Why. The name says the tournament is part of Blizzards WCS and played out in Europe. And the tournament is exactly what it says on the tin.
It is the tournament to crown the european champion, which guess what, is not european. Read my post about my CL analogy if you can't follow me.
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On May 27 2013 05:47 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:40 Wudu wrote:On May 27 2013 05:35 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:34 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:32 Psychobabas wrote:On May 27 2013 05:29 ShakkaFL wrote:On May 27 2013 05:28 Sakray wrote:
Every WCS (EU/NA/KR) won by a Korean, fuck logic.
GJ Blizzard screwing up on this one. you should complain about the players on EU and NA for not being good enough to win then With your incredible logic. Lets allow Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and all the rest into the Norwegian leagues! -- Bet you're one of those people that didn't complain when foreigners got seeds for the GSL Because the GSL was never meant to crown the "Korean champion"? to be honest how many people would watcht wcs if there wasn't any Koreans? especially if you think of NA player pool! My point is that its ridiculous to call Mvp the "European" champion or whoever wins WCS America the "American" champion. I'm willing to admit that the presence of Koreans in those two tournaments increased the skill level and likely the viewership, but what neither of those tournaments do is determine the best player in either region. The way WCS is set-up right now is just weird, and I somewhat resent it because it means I'll probably never see Mvp (among many strong Koreans) in a GSL (or an OSL) ever again. I want MvP to go for a fifth GSL or his first OSL, not become the champion of a continent he has absolutely zero ties to.
Im actually concerned about how when they region lock WCS (which at this point its a fair assumption next year they will) what that will mean for the Koreans who aren't in GSL/OSL currently since several dropped out to play in other regions.
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On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD.... So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe? It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe. Uh, no, it isn't.
It isn't called WCS Europe?
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On May 27 2013 05:53 farnham wrote:
wow so now the tournament is over suddenly it is a problem that koreans were allowed?
why not ban koreans from sc2 outside of korea. that will surely help the growth of esports. i know i wont be watching wcs eu or na then.
nobody wnats to ban Koreans outside of Korea, just region lock WCS, not DH, not MLG, not ESL
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